ELEGANT EGOTIST IS HARPIE LADY'S FACE IN A KALEIDOSCOPE Oh my god that card is decades old and it took me until this zoom on it to figure out what the hell that illustration was supposed to be
Big Brain: "I'll use Convulsion of Nature in case my opponent uses Parasite Paracide. When Parasite makes it's way to the top of my Deck, I'll activate Convulsion to send it to the bottom :)"
Can't wait to go to locals and play convulsion of nature with my saryuja and play Parasite when the opponents are not even allowed to touch my cards EZ game win. Yugo friendship with unity as well Lmao . Force the opponent to break the rules then gg ez.
@@Morientoso Except when the originals attack while equipped with Metalmorph, they gain half the ATK of the monster they're attacking. Unless you're attacking a monster with 200 or less ATK, you're going to have more ATK and than the Metal counterparts.
7:40 Swords of revealing Light is also "breaking" the normal rules. Its a normal Spell but stays on the field. Especially when Nightmare's Steelcage exists
This is actually a specific mechanical distinction. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm fairly sure the distinction is this:; Normal Spell Cards always leave the field when their effect resolves, continuous spell cards don't. SO if you negate a Swords of Revealing Light, it leaves the field. It's effect keeps it on the field, so once negated it does not stay there like a negated continuous spell would.
I remember being dumbfounded as a kid when I learned that Metalzoa HAS to be summoned from your deck - if you actually draw it, it becomes a completely worthless card that does nothing but clog your hand. All these years later it still sounds like a mistake to me. Konami makes some boneheaded effects sometimes, but I can't believe they'd intentionally design a card that way. I'm surprised they never changed it
Not only Metalzoa, there are many cards like the Assault Mode Monsters that need to stay in the deck if you want to summon them with Assault Mode activate. I guess that's the reason why so many old cards got retrains.
@@icycult that's how I ruined an Ulti Caius the shadow monarch, don't remember how I came into possession with it at the time but friends were envious. No one told me how expensive it was
Red eyes B metal dragon: Tribute two cards for a 100 ATK boost on your opponents turn, and significantly less ATK when attacking (losing metalmorph's effect that boosts the original red eyes by half the ATK of the monster that it attacks) on your own turn!!!! OP OP OP STAPLE
It's funny seeing how they attempted to balance those cards. Metal dragon is clearly so much worse but I can imagine what they were thinking. Manga/early anime Metalphorm boosts stats by 400 and makes the monster immune to spells. That last effect was too strong for the time so they reduced the boost to 300 and replaced the immunity with an ATK boost. What about metal dragon then? They can't make a card out of that "combo" with that new effect either, it would be too strong! So they match the original stat boost and leave it at that lol
The only reason Parasite Paracide was given the effect it has was because they wanted to replicate how Weevil sneaks it into Joey's deck in Battle City. You obviously can't legally put one of your cards in an opponent's deck before a duel without them knowing it, so that's what they came up with.
also it was such a common card, you might as well just kept one on the side in case someone used it (common to find, not to be used). We actually just keep a flipped sleeved card now and use it as "substitute" card just on the off chance an effect like this pops up.
It feels like a dubious interpretation of the effect, as it raises the question of why the card was given a different name in the first place. At the very least, it seems like something that would have been better handled within the name field of the card itself rather than the description/effect box. Like having all the Harpie Lady cards have the name "Harpie Lady" in the name field, with stuff like "Harpie Lady 1" in an ignore-this-text position directly beside or below the effective name.
I had a friend with an old-school Harpie deck. He had like 8 Harpies in there. When I accidentally stumbled upon the ruling, he and everyone else thought it was fake. The reasoning was that the cap of 3 identical cards only applied to what the actual name of the card is on the top. The effects don't count. I thought that it made sense, so we let him play that way for a while later.
@@rolypoly4920 no man, the maker of the video is wrong, ye can have 3 harpie ladies, 3 harpie lady 1's, 3 cyber harpie ladies at the same time in yer deck. Otherwise, why the hell would they bother to give them different names ever? Just to have 1 of all of them? Why though? Why would they wanna restrict people to have, say, one cyber harpie lady only? These weren't and aren't that strong cards anyways
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius Any card that says that "This card's name is treated as X" is considered to always be that card, even during deck construction. Cards that say "This card's name is treated as X when its on the field/grave/whatever" does not count as that card for deck construction. Some Harpies say they are always considered "Harpie Lady" while some say that they only count on the field. Its a nitpicking word usage but Konami did it on purpose for whatever reason.
If the Harpies aren't gimmicky enough, you have the Neo Spacians you summon with Nex. The same, but with Extra Deck monsters whose name is treated as the one of a Main Deck monster.
Well the NEX monsters say they are "also" treated as the other card name as part of an effect, while the Harpies now say "always" treated as Harpie Lady and put in parenthesizes to indicate it as a ruling now more than an effect. So maybe they can save the NEX archtype. But Konami has doubled down on the cards with name rulings in parenthesizes thing, doing the same for reprints of Summoned Skull who is always treated as an Archfiend, or Gazelle who is always treated as a Phantom Beast.
@@lindyxmjh4589 Because that's _not_ an effect. It's keeping the OCG and TCG in line due to name changes. "Summoned Skull" is "Daemon", which means it gets all the "Archfiend"/"Daemon" support, while the NEX monsters still have their original names AND get the new ones added.
@@thewanderingmistnull2451 Doesn't matter, Konami still poorly thought it out and that theme got cut off at the knees and can never get off the ground because of something as simple as the rules of deck building.
In about 5 years, when Yu-Gi-Oh becomes a digital-only card game because none of us are allowed to leave our hermetically sealed habitats ever again, I hope we get a whole parasites archetype with a bunch of different monsters that go into your opponent's deck and have interesting effects when drawn.
So, do we implement a mechanic at the end of every duel where your opponent has a chance of accidentally stealing your parasite cards by not taking them out of their deck, or do we just leave that mechanic in the real world?
@@fortnitesexman I will be much more confident using a card that shuffles itself into my opponent's deck in Master Duel than I would with a physical card he could accidentally take home.
They overeacted SO MUCH... A facedown Attack Position monster simply cannot be Flip Summoned and it's only flipped up by attacks or effects. THAT'S IT! Link monsters are not that complicated!
In regards to "Curse of Fiend", the official rule book states that if there is a discrepancy between the official rules and a card effect, you defer to said card effect. Though the example they gave is for something like "Infinite Cards", "Curse of Fiend" should apply, allowing you to use it during the standby phase as a normal spell.
@@hellkaiser64 the weird thing is that those traps SAY you're allowed to use them from the hand. But I guess that there's no elegant way to say it in this case.
Yeah the difference is that Curse of Fiend doesn't say that you can use it during the Standby Phase, it just says it can only be used during that phase. Compare this to something like Impermanence that specifically says you can use it from your hand if you control no cards
I always find the ruling on cards like Harpie Ladies 1-3 and Fusion Substitute to be incredibly bizarre. It's like the effects are active before the duel even starts.
Applied, since the effect in question is continuous, but yes. I wholly disagree that the ruling treats them as "Harpie Lady" for deck construction. Overriding the game mechanics should only happen during the duel itself, not in deck construction. I would like to make a gimmick Harpie deck but that ruling makes it impossible, even by Duel Links standards.
It is more like these cards are treated as the same by rules of yugioh (just like by rules of yugioh you cannot draw from your deck and enter battle phase if you are the first to play) instead of by their own card effects.
@@Mernom Should a card effect override game mechanics/rules when outside of the duel though? That's the real question. When they aren't being played, they're different cards by name, stats and/or effect. So why should they suddenly be treated as the same card as if they're alternate artwork?
It's frankly stupid that it hasn't been changed since we have newer cards with similar conditions (Fusion of Fire) that add them to an archetype. It's obvious their original intention wasn't to limit themselves like that, but to increase the amount of searchable cards.
@@420mralucard No, the original intention was so that the cards worked the same in the OCG and TCG due to name changes from localization. "Summoned Skull" gets "archfiend" support because "Archfiends" are "Daemons" in Japanese, and "Summoned Skull"'s Japanese name is "Daemon", just like "Axe of Despair" is "Daemon's Axe". The "Salamangreat" card is very weird because it doesn't change its name between the OCG and TCG but still has that condition.
Funnily enough, Suship Shari Red does exactly this, by being treated as normal Shari while in the hand, field GY and deck, but as part of it’s effect so it doesn’t apply during deck building
Card Idea: Change the battle position of all of your monsters, then flip all the monsters whose battle positions changed face-down, but do not change their battle positions again.
Timothy Hall this is old new man it sucks big time! My only guess is because there is a lot of harpy support cards they didn’t want to have him as part of it. I say big deal there are a lot of more stronger decks out there what’s 1-3 harpy bro’s. In the world? 😕
I don't know, you wouldn't just pick up your deck randomly to pull out Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, you would tribute the required cards and declare to your opponent that you're special summoning the card first, so it really isn't that awkward. There's also a few cards out there that can combo with Convulsion of Nature, but nothing so ground breaking that it will ever see competitive play.
Speaking of Harpie naming shenanigans The NEX Counterpart of Neo Spacians shared the name with the OGs. Which mean the card limits apply to the cards that are supposed to bring it out
I feel like Red Eyes Black Metal Dragon could be more interesting if it kept the same stats it already has now, but when summoned it keeps the metalmorph boost and maybe instead of sending metalmorph to the graveyard it gets returned to the deck or hand, or even set back face down
If an entire archetype could use an errata, it's the Harpie archetype. The change to the four monsters mentioned in this video would be to make them more like the more modern harpie ladies and be treated as such on field and in the GY, and EE changes its text to read "Special Summon a 'Harpie' monster from your Deck or Hand" This would allow the other Harpie Ladies to be used all together (whether or not they'd be relevent) and EE gets a boost to what it can summon
Self-Destruct Button. Was in a Regional back in the day and there was a guy piloting a draw deck. Every round he would have to play 4-5 games in a match because he would draw the game if it was going bad for him. I heard him complaining because every round was going to time for him.
I remember entering a local tournament with Harpie Lady 1, 2, 3, and Cyber Harpie Lady and upon inspecting my deck they made a big deal about it. I only had 1 of each, mind you, not like I had a super competitive Harpie deck. I'm still flabbergasted they gave two shits.
I never understood why Parasite Paracide was such a big deal. Your opponent can just take a card on their graveyard out of the sleeve and put it in there and shuffle it into the deck.
Oh the days of either having players banish their entire deck and use the deck slot as the banish zone, or getting reported to a mod and given a loss. good times
Yeah, the trick is to run three so your opponent concedes because he has to pick up his kids or eat dinner or isn't planning to kill himself in the near future for some reason.
I once made a deck based around convulsion of nature, question, and a few other very odd cards that deliberately tried to throw people off with bizarre mechanics while reducing the game to guessing games and dice rolls. As with many gimmick decks, it sucked butts, but was really fun to watch or play with. It was practically like watching a game show. lol
Cyber Harpie, Harpie Lady #1, Harpie Lady #2 and Harpie Lady #3 set the precedent for name-based cards when it was ruled that their treated names counted towards the deck limit of "3 cards of the same name". In my opinion, it's only when the duel starts that the names change and therefore do not count when constructing the deck. It's like saying you can use the effect of a card that's not in the duel (like your side deck). It's too bad they decided that the effects apply outside of the duel as well.
@@hi-i-am-atan It is a little, but then again, MTG has dabbled in it a few times, and more recently, the Companion mechanic was introduced: It creates a deck construction limitation and can add itself to your hand (used to just be can be played directly from Side Board by paying normal mana cost. It was busted.)
Problem is those aren't considered effects, more like on the card printed rulings. It's something where even if you played a card to negate all monster effects on the field the Harpies would all have their name still be treated as Harpie Lady. You even have Summoned Skull who has no effect but who has "always treated as an Archfiend" printed on him.
My favorite anomaly of this is Warrior of Atlantis searching "A Legendary Ocean", a card that technically doesn't exist because it always treats its own name as Umi.
I once saw a Goat format deck that used it to draw the entire deck in one turn using card's like Archfied's Oath, Royal Magical Library, and Giant Trunade to use them all again. The person playing it described it as "not a bad deck, but no one plays it because no one will want to play with you if you use that kind of deck".
I actually would love if the parasite archetype got support. The other parasites are quit strong (summon any level 7 or higher insect from hand, ignoring summoning condition or be able to fusion summon during opponents turn) and I would love to see a theme revolving around parasites that manipulate the opponents hand, field or deck. Think about it, adding bricks to your opponents deck, while maybe mind control monsters, let switch hand cards that give you his resources while he needs to play with those parasites or let the opponent attack its own monsters. There would be quit some intresting interactions. The shuffle problem could be solved by ruling it, that your opponent cannot look at his decks while shuffling. This would be a lot of fun and a kinda hard counter against combo decks that actually need to see some cards, also against decks that are drawing a lot, cause it would give those negative downsides if they actually draw it. We would need a fusion monster that can use any insect plus fusion parasite and a synchro parasite that adjust his level like destrudo and use a monster your opponent controls to synchro summon and of course a link monster with floodgates effects. This could also lead that opponent can have up to 60 cards in the deck, even if they are playing a 40 card deck. God this would cool
The harpy lady 3 copy thing is the most technically speaking on the rules I've ever seen. HL #1 & HL are different cards so you should be allowed to have 3 of each.
Another confusing thing with Parasite Paradise, if I use it and it's now on my opponents side of the field. It's effect suggest that *my* monsters would now become insects. Cause he owns the monster now.
to be fair to red eyes black metal dragon, if you have a red eyes with metal morph on the field and you start looking through your deck, your opponent is almost certainly gonna know why you are doing so. but thats because of how well known that summoning is
The anime broke the rule for Harpie Lady. Mai had multiple copies of Cyber Harpie and regular Harpie Lady in season 4. They should just errata the old ones so they share the name on the field and GY only; boom, trouble averted.
Well, the problem with that is that they're treated as Harpie Lady so they can be summoned with Elegant Egotist. That being said, they could easily just write in the text "This card can be special summoned by the effect of "Elegant Egotist" as if it were named "Harpie Lady"." along with the "This card's name is treated as Harpie Lady on the field or in the GY." effect.
Dang, now I want to see face-down attack as a deck idea. Like Shaddols, but more like Exxod Burn. Maybe some kind of hidden movement idea, you put all the cards in your hand then place them in face-down attack on the field wherever you see fit, and then your opponent has to risk whatever card they attack. Like some bounce both monsters, some flip one other card and some deal burn. Here's an idea for a name: 'Stealth Strikes'. They could all be Ninja based cards, but smaller than things like Six Samurai or SuperHeavies. Maybe they'd get some form of quick-play stuff that also lets you have some form of choice in battle, or something like 'All-Out Attacks' where any face-down attack cards are then flipped on the turn for some more input and control. They'd need something to move them around the board, presumably dealt with by returning them to the hand then shuffling that, then placing them in new positions. Some spells could swap 2 of them's positions as a trap to force certain effects, perhaps.
What happens if you activate pot of desires when convulsion of nature is active? Would the banished monsters have effects/types because both players have seen what the cards are?
Had to ask, but wanted to make sure the judges told me you only keep the top card face-up. So, if your opponent remembers that card they will only know 1 of the 10 and the cards you drew since your deck is still face up
@@Mernom well yes, you get to see your face down banished at any point, it's more for you opponent if they get to see the cards as they are banished. Normally players would just take off the chunk from the top to save time, but does a game mechanic technically require you to banish the cards one by one or not.
One card I wanted you to talk about is Ritual Foregone. Basically it's Instant Fusion for Ritual Monsters except it doesn't ignore any summoning conditions, not does it treat the summon as a Ritual summon or a proper summon. Usually if we follow the rules you can't use a random card effect to special summon a Ritual Monster from the hand, but currently you're forced to break this rule to make use of Foregone, there's no other way you could use it.
Fun fact, in one of the Yu-Gi-Oh GBA game (I think it is the Eternal Duelist Soul) if you want to summon Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon the intended way, you have to activate the EFFECT of vanilla Red-eyes (equiped with metalmorph). Same applies to Zoa.
yo but when parasite dude got used, nobody even knew what sleeves were LMAOO. me and my cousins would just make the person shuffling the deck close their eyes while shuffling so they couldnt purposefully send it to the bottom. that shit was intense
7:00 So is there any reason why it can only be used during the standby phase? Like would it have some sort of interaction with cards if it was used during the main phase or something?
I assume they were worried people would throw down a face down monster, then use it to instantly activate a flip effect on top of screwing with their opponent's monsters. (remember flip effects tended to be EXTREMELY powerful in early yugioh)
The only effect the card Solomon's Lawbook has is to skip your own standby phase- that's it literally nothing else, and as far as I can tell it's the only card in the game whose sole effect is to skip 1 of your own phases.
True, but it has a fair amount of uses. It works especially well if you don't want to give up 10 cards to keep the Golden Castle up, or don't want to pay the 2000 LP to keep Mirror Wall active, and other uses I'm sure I am not remembering.
@@HighPriestFuneral I know it has it's uses (I myself ran in it a normal monster deck based around Cu Chulainn the awakened which is one of the first coherent decks- it's why I remember it specifically) but it's still a really weird "only in old school yu-gi-oh" type of card
Neo Spacian Twinkle Moss and Marine Dolphin are even weirder, because they are extra deck monsters but are treated as their normal counterparts limiting the number of copies you can use in the deck
Cyber Harpie also breaks regular conventions by being an effect monster without an effect or summoning conditions/restrictions. It's functionally an effect monster with a completely empty effect box, since the name "effect" is not supposed to be seen as an effect but just as a "we wrote the wrong name in the name text to differentiate it, please ignore that wrong name though and pretend it has always said Harpie Lady from the beginning", considering Skill Drain doesn't change the name back.
I wanna say there was an interesting interaction between Inferno Reckless Summon and Harpie Ladies (at least on ygopro) where in a deck that I had running 3x Harpie Lady (vanilla) amongst other Harpie Ladies like #1, Cyber, etc. Whenever I activated Inferno Reckless Summon, targetted a vanilla Harpie Lady to special summon two non-vanilla Harpie Ladies, the game would pitch my remaining two copies of vanilla Harpie Lady to the graveyard.
As a kid i got very confused by the contact fusion summoning effect of XYZ Dragon Canon: "Removing the above cards from play..." So i just special summoned it whenever I wanted just by removing all my cards on the field from play.
Cards that summons themselves from the deck should have been extra deck monsters from the start, but at the time they were designed, the Fusion Deck was very restricted (XYZ Dragon Cannon being the first exception to my knowledge).
While there is nothing stating that you have to say what your summoning in the case of the charmers and metal-morphed versions, it's still common courtesy to explain what your going to do before picking up your deck so your opponent at least knows you aint just going for a peak, atleast that's how I played it, but I get what you mean, its pretty weird how they made it inherent and not a trigger. Also fun thing about Convulsion of Nature, back when Dueling Network was a thing, there was no dedicated function to flip your deck, so people had to manually banish the top cards of their deck in exact order, and return them 1 by 1 to their deck face-up, and then repeat when C.o.N got taken off the field to put their deck back to normal, which resulted in a few rage quits as it took fucking ages to do so, only for an opponent to just destroy the C.o.N just to fuck with people.
What always confused me is that Parasite Paracide's effect doesn't activate if it's attacked and destroyed, at least in Duel Links - so you have to either flip summon it yourself or have it be attacked and NOT destroyed.
For convulsion of nature, I had a deck that had me shuffle my deck a lot, and I would shuffle the deck until I had the card I needed on top of the deck.
Parasite paracide goes into the opponent's deck face up, meaning that when it is on the top of the deck it would be similar to convulsion of nature and that you would obviously see it as parasite paracide. Therefore it doesn't matter what card sleeves you use because you will always know which card is the parasite because it's the only card that's backwards in the deck.
The OG Harpies absolutely should get an errata on that ruling, they're not over powered. It ruined my speed duel Harpie deck too, finding out it was 6 cards over the limit and basically making a pure Harpie deck impossible :(
Possibly a weird question, but what do brackets on an effect monster actually mean? I used to play Aliens and thought that their (A-counter 300) effect was just reminder text about what the counters did, but apparently not. Seeing the Harpies just reminded me of that.
Found this gem: Call of Darkness: Continuous trap card All monsters restored with "Monster Reborn" are sent to the Graveyard. "Monster Reborn" also cannot be played as long as this card remains on the field. "Restored"? I didn't even know that was a thing.
I guess it's because damage calculation does off before the effect does, and since the effect activates on the field, it doesn't do anything from the GY.
The original 1-2-3 and Cyber could all be changed to “This card is treated as “Harpie Lady” while on the field or in the GY. Can be Special Summoned with “Elegant Egotist”.” And nothing would change lol
Definitely change numbered harpies to a field effect, and just also change elegant egotist to say "...special summon 1 monster with "Harpie Lady" in it's name..." and that covers all versions of harpie lady as well as sisters. It would be a lot simpler than what it is now.
It's weird how duel links changes things dramatically. Going first sucks, Koa'ki Meiru was an otk deck and not a control deck, and Genex was a decent tribute summon deck at one point.
Question. Convulsion and the parasyte are legal on tournaments? I mean okay, there is no way to put in competitive deck, im just curious how would the judges rule those situations. Can you just shuffle your deck, anytime when your next draw would be bad? Or your opponnent could cut your deck when you would topdecking something good? This situation makes a lot of questions about legality, cheating, etc.
You can probably do a whole video on how a bunch of old cards that Special Summoned stated "Tributes are not required for Level 5 and above monsters", like the Attribute Summoners from Magic Ruler (UFO Turtle, Mystic Tomato, etc.) and Spear Cretin.
Its a shame they didnt keep up these effects, because they have a chance to add new layers to the game like how curse of fiend works with cold wave. You could have more specific phase spell cards that can bite you in the butt if not prepared to do so, and preparing to do so could reveal your strategy to your opponent or just be an outright bluff
As kids playing harpie ladies we ran 3 of 1, 2 and 3 as well as a couple vanilla. Also we thought hysteric party was a multiple use effect which turns out would be broken, reusable soul charge on a trap
I'm surprised that they still haven't given an errata to the harpy lady cards. I mean even when they were printed (and yes I was playing during that time) players knew that the fact that the cards were treated as harpie lady in the deck would affect deck building. The original reason I think that the cards are worded this way is because theywere some of the first few cards that were created to help a pre-existing archetype. Mind you there were some already but these were still some of the very first that did that.
That Harpie Lady ruling blew my mind. So you're telling me that almost like every Harpie build I've seen is illegal? 🤔 That's sorta wack and I'm sad to know this. Lmao
There are a handful of meta cards that change control too. A lot of blind 2nd decks run Mind Control. And Mystic Mine burn plays DD Guide. Will cards like that be temporarily banned?
What would happen if Parasite Parasade was used after Convulsions of nature, is it a double negitive (upside down of upside down is face down) or is it just upside down? Also whay of Convulsions is used after, do you track down the Parasite and flip it to be upside down or when the deck is flipped is it just the only face down in your deck?
Catastrophic Phenomena [spell card] Your opponent shuffles a standard French 52-card deck into their deck. These additional cards cannot be placed on the field. When they are removed from the hand, they are immediately banished. (This would be legit devastating to your opponent tho, lol)
With the way Parasite Paracide is worded, who's monsters does it make insect type? Cause cards like silent wobby and santa claws treat your opponent as the controller. In this way, if you use this card and your opponent summons it, does it change your monsters to insects since you are the opponent of its controller?
Since, you control the card it's your cards that are changed to insect's, since when you draw it your card are the ones affected by it, I know cause weevil in the video games are the ones who use parasite parasite and it was dumb cause somehow I would always draw this fucking card like in 2 turns
Another weird "Effect" is that of Summoned Skull which despite being a non effect monster has the line "This card is always treated as an archfiend monster"
ELEGANT EGOTIST IS HARPIE LADY'S FACE IN A KALEIDOSCOPE
Oh my god that card is decades old and it took me until this zoom on it to figure out what the hell that illustration was supposed to be
Oh wow you’re right!!
I always loved how yugioh had such clever and intricate designs, but it took me years to figure out what most of them were! Lol
DjiDji I believe the Japanese card’s name is literally Kaleidoscope. In the manga, it multiplies the Harpie, so it makes sense.
Same bro same
Dude that legit just occurred to me as well lmao
Big Brain: "I'll use Convulsion of Nature in case my opponent uses Parasite Paracide. When Parasite makes it's way to the top of my Deck, I'll activate Convulsion to send it to the bottom :)"
Galaxy brain, play The True Name so when it's on top of your deck you can add it instead of drawing, so you can use it on your opponent.
And IT will be face down which means, ITS EFFECT WONT WORK XD
Can't wait to go to locals and play convulsion of nature with my saryuja and play Parasite when the opponents are not even allowed to touch my cards EZ game win. Yugo friendship with unity as well Lmao . Force the opponent to break the rules then gg ez.
Whenever I got Parasite Paracide on the top of my Deck, I used Neos Fusion to send it to my opponent's GY. :-)
@@korsaiyajinkami3766 prohibition and mind crush also can increase in power here hmmmm
What's also weird about Red Eyes Metal Dragon (and Metalzoa) is that they are worse than the original card equiped with metalmorph.
But they have 100 atk/def more so they're clearly better /s
Though they can be used if the originals are hit by something like Fiendish Chain.
They are slightly better defensively but way worse offensively.
@@Morientoso Except when the originals attack while equipped with Metalmorph, they gain half the ATK of the monster they're attacking. Unless you're attacking a monster with 200 or less ATK, you're going to have more ATK and than the Metal counterparts.
No idea why they don't get metalmoph effect
7:40 Swords of revealing Light is also "breaking" the normal rules. Its a normal Spell but stays on the field.
Especially when Nightmare's Steelcage exists
Steel cage is also normal
There are other normal spells that stay on the field after being activated as well
I mean, so does Different Dimension Capsule.
This is actually a specific mechanical distinction. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm fairly sure the distinction is this:; Normal Spell Cards always leave the field when their effect resolves, continuous spell cards don't. SO if you negate a Swords of Revealing Light, it leaves the field. It's effect keeps it on the field, so once negated it does not stay there like a negated continuous spell would.
Yugioh is build to go agains it own rules just this guy got pay from Konami and talk wherever he wants
I remember being dumbfounded as a kid when I learned that Metalzoa HAS to be summoned from your deck - if you actually draw it, it becomes a completely worthless card that does nothing but clog your hand.
All these years later it still sounds like a mistake to me. Konami makes some boneheaded effects sometimes, but I can't believe they'd intentionally design a card that way. I'm surprised they never changed it
Not only Metalzoa, there are many cards like the Assault Mode Monsters that need to stay in the deck if you want to summon them with Assault Mode activate. I guess that's the reason why so many old cards got retrains.
Parasite paracite just was from a time where noone used sleeves lol
How accurate is this? I was using sleeves circa 2002, but I also wasn’t super aware of the tournament scene.
I still don't use sleeves and I've been playing for 10 years.
@@thegreatcheesedemon omg my cousins and i would have our cards be sleeveless and use rubberbands to tie the cards together lmao
@@icycult that's how I ruined an Ulti Caius the shadow monarch, don't remember how I came into possession with it at the time but friends were envious. No one told me how expensive it was
It would work well in a 100% digital game, like HS and LoR.
In fact, bombs in HS and mushrooms in LoR follow that concept.
Red eyes B metal dragon: Tribute two cards for a 100 ATK boost on your opponents turn, and significantly less ATK when attacking (losing metalmorph's effect that boosts the original red eyes by half the ATK of the monster that it attacks) on your own turn!!!!
OP OP OP STAPLE
It's funny seeing how they attempted to balance those cards. Metal dragon is clearly so much worse but I can imagine what they were thinking.
Manga/early anime Metalphorm boosts stats by 400 and makes the monster immune to spells. That last effect was too strong for the time so they reduced the boost to 300 and replaced the immunity with an ATK boost. What about metal dragon then? They can't make a card out of that "combo" with that new effect either, it would be too strong! So they match the original stat boost and leave it at that lol
The only reason Parasite Paracide was given the effect it has was because they wanted to replicate how Weevil sneaks it into Joey's deck in Battle City. You obviously can't legally put one of your cards in an opponent's deck before a duel without them knowing it, so that's what they came up with.
also it was such a common card, you might as well just kept one on the side in case someone used it (common to find, not to be used). We actually just keep a flipped sleeved card now and use it as "substitute" card just on the off chance an effect like this pops up.
I didn't realize the "treated as other name" effects apply to deck-building. It's kind of unintuitive for card text to indirectly effect deckbuilding.
It feels like a dubious interpretation of the effect, as it raises the question of why the card was given a different name in the first place. At the very least, it seems like something that would have been better handled within the name field of the card itself rather than the description/effect box. Like having all the Harpie Lady cards have the name "Harpie Lady" in the name field, with stuff like "Harpie Lady 1" in an ignore-this-text position directly beside or below the effective name.
I had a friend with an old-school Harpie deck. He had like 8 Harpies in there. When I accidentally stumbled upon the ruling, he and everyone else thought it was fake. The reasoning was that the cap of 3 identical cards only applied to what the actual name of the card is on the top. The effects don't count. I thought that it made sense, so we let him play that way for a while later.
@@BainesMkII I do agree with ye. I think the maker of this video is wrong. Ye can have 3 fusion subtitutes and 3 polymerization at the same time.
@@rolypoly4920 no man, the maker of the video is wrong, ye can have 3 harpie ladies, 3 harpie lady 1's, 3 cyber harpie ladies at the same time in yer deck. Otherwise, why the hell would they bother to give them different names ever? Just to have 1 of all of them? Why though? Why would they wanna restrict people to have, say, one cyber harpie lady only? These weren't and aren't that strong cards anyways
@@Dave.Mustaine.Is.Genius Any card that says that "This card's name is treated as X" is considered to always be that card, even during deck construction. Cards that say "This card's name is treated as X when its on the field/grave/whatever" does not count as that card for deck construction. Some Harpies say they are always considered "Harpie Lady" while some say that they only count on the field. Its a nitpicking word usage but Konami did it on purpose for whatever reason.
If the Harpies aren't gimmicky enough, you have the Neo Spacians you summon with Nex. The same, but with Extra Deck monsters whose name is treated as the one of a Main Deck monster.
They should honestly not rule it that way and keep the decklist limit to serial number or so. It's just so weird.
Well the NEX monsters say they are "also" treated as the other card name as part of an effect, while the Harpies now say "always" treated as Harpie Lady and put in parenthesizes to indicate it as a ruling now more than an effect. So maybe they can save the NEX archtype. But Konami has doubled down on the cards with name rulings in parenthesizes thing, doing the same for reprints of Summoned Skull who is always treated as an Archfiend, or Gazelle who is always treated as a Phantom Beast.
And they only made TWO OUT OF FIVE...
@@lindyxmjh4589 Because that's _not_ an effect. It's keeping the OCG and TCG in line due to name changes. "Summoned Skull" is "Daemon", which means it gets all the "Archfiend"/"Daemon" support, while the NEX monsters still have their original names AND get the new ones added.
@@thewanderingmistnull2451 Doesn't matter, Konami still poorly thought it out and that theme got cut off at the knees and can never get off the ground because of something as simple as the rules of deck building.
In about 5 years, when Yu-Gi-Oh becomes a digital-only card game because none of us are allowed to leave our hermetically sealed habitats ever again, I hope we get a whole parasites archetype with a bunch of different monsters that go into your opponent's deck and have interesting effects when drawn.
So, do we implement a mechanic at the end of every duel where your opponent has a chance of accidentally stealing your parasite cards by not taking them out of their deck, or do we just leave that mechanic in the real world?
@@EinDose we already left that mechanic.
that...can just as well be a physical card archetype?
"shuffle this card into your opponents deck"
there, done
@@fortnitesexman I will be much more confident using a card that shuffles itself into my opponent's deck in Master Duel than I would with a physical card he could accidentally take home.
@@omechron you could just check?
or keep track of how many times you used the effects
A minute of silence for the Darkness Approaches memes, killed by Link monsters.
They overeacted SO MUCH...
A facedown Attack Position monster simply cannot be Flip Summoned and it's only flipped up by attacks or effects.
THAT'S IT!
Link monsters are not that complicated!
In regards to "Curse of Fiend", the official rule book states that if there is a discrepancy between the official rules and a card effect, you defer to said card effect. Though the example they gave is for something like "Infinite Cards", "Curse of Fiend" should apply, allowing you to use it during the standby phase as a normal spell.
Or activating trap cards from your hand like red reboot or impermanence
@@hellkaiser64 the weird thing is that those traps SAY you're allowed to use them from the hand.
But I guess that there's no elegant way to say it in this case.
Yeah the difference is that Curse of Fiend doesn't say that you can use it during the Standby Phase, it just says it can only be used during that phase. Compare this to something like Impermanence that specifically says you can use it from your hand if you control no cards
Tbh i dunno why they even wanted to do such a weird card, lol
@@suezuccati304 literally konami should have clarified. This shit is already confusing as it is
I've never noticed the face in Elegant Egotist till now
I can't unsee it now!
I never read it as egotist, i thought it was egoist
Always thought it was just weird sparkles lol
OH GOD
I always find the ruling on cards like Harpie Ladies 1-3 and Fusion Substitute to be incredibly bizarre. It's like the effects are active before the duel even starts.
Applied, since the effect in question is continuous, but yes. I wholly disagree that the ruling treats them as "Harpie Lady" for deck construction. Overriding the game mechanics should only happen during the duel itself, not in deck construction.
I would like to make a gimmick Harpie deck but that ruling makes it impossible, even by Duel Links standards.
It's because of shadow game, you never know when it can happen so you have to be ready before it starts.
It is more like these cards are treated as the same by rules of yugioh (just like by rules of yugioh you cannot draw from your deck and enter battle phase if you are the first to play) instead of by their own card effects.
Card effects can override the game rules.
Aka every single card in this video.
@@Mernom Should a card effect override game mechanics/rules when outside of the duel though? That's the real question. When they aren't being played, they're different cards by name, stats and/or effect. So why should they suddenly be treated as the same card as if they're alternate artwork?
They should really change the "always treated as _____" ruling.
It's frankly stupid that it hasn't been changed since we have newer cards with similar conditions (Fusion of Fire) that add them to an archetype. It's obvious their original intention wasn't to limit themselves like that, but to increase the amount of searchable cards.
@@420mralucard No, the original intention was so that the cards worked the same in the OCG and TCG due to name changes from localization. "Summoned Skull" gets "archfiend" support because "Archfiends" are "Daemons" in Japanese, and "Summoned Skull"'s Japanese name is "Daemon", just like "Axe of Despair" is "Daemon's Axe". The "Salamangreat" card is very weird because it doesn't change its name between the OCG and TCG but still has that condition.
Funnily enough, Suship Shari Red does exactly this, by being treated as normal Shari while in the hand, field GY and deck, but as part of it’s effect so it doesn’t apply during deck building
Oh my god.
It took me this long to realize that the kaleidoscope image on Elegant Egotist is made up of a bunch of lady faces.
I think face down attack position would be an interesting effect to bring back, especially considering the effect it might have on Link monsters
Card Idea: Change the battle position of all of your monsters, then flip all the monsters whose battle positions changed face-down, but do not change their battle positions again.
Speaking of “harpy” cards do a top 10 total name change clip. Eg: “harpy’s brother” was changed to “sky scout”
They changed the name of Harpies' Brother? Shucks.
This happened like a year ago tho 😂
Timothy Hall this is old new man it sucks big time! My only guess is because there is a lot of harpy support cards they didn’t want to have him as part of it. I say big deal there are a lot of more stronger decks out there what’s 1-3 harpy bro’s. In the world? 😕
Zyon Rondorf you talking about the harpy name change or a clip based around it?
That is a screw up who ever translated it to English.
The Japanese name for Harpy's Brother is Birdman
Sweet, I love laughing at old Konami / Upperdeck cards. What the heck were they going for with Dankness Approaches?
You rang?
Time to flip it in face down attack
I think they were trying to emulate the Anime.
@@Jmaul85 I don't think that happened in the anime
@@djcrimsonsunbird3607 I think they're referring to PaniK's cheating ass strategy.
I don't know, you wouldn't just pick up your deck randomly to pull out Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, you would tribute the required cards and declare to your opponent that you're special summoning the card first, so it really isn't that awkward. There's also a few cards out there that can combo with Convulsion of Nature, but nothing so ground breaking that it will ever see competitive play.
Speaking of Harpie naming shenanigans
The NEX Counterpart of Neo Spacians shared the name with the OGs. Which mean the card limits apply to the cards that are supposed to bring it out
Then they realized the concept was dumb and scrapped it altogether.
It'd be interesting if they made a metalmorph archetype.
I’m not against it, but I’m against it
I feel like Red Eyes Black Metal Dragon could be more interesting if it kept the same stats it already has now, but when summoned it keeps the metalmorph boost and maybe instead of sending metalmorph to the graveyard it gets returned to the deck or hand, or even set back face down
I find Convolsion of Nature is the perfect counter to Convolsion of Nature! That's why I always play three copies of in every deck!!!
Nope
If an entire archetype could use an errata, it's the Harpie archetype. The change to the four monsters mentioned in this video would be to make them more like the more modern harpie ladies and be treated as such on field and in the GY, and EE changes its text to read "Special Summon a 'Harpie' monster from your Deck or Hand" This would allow the other Harpie Ladies to be used all together (whether or not they'd be relevent) and EE gets a boost to what it can summon
Self-Destruct Button. Was in a Regional back in the day and there was a guy piloting a draw deck. Every round he would have to play 4-5 games in a match because he would draw the game if it was going bad for him. I heard him complaining because every round was going to time for him.
I remember entering a local tournament with Harpie Lady 1, 2, 3, and Cyber Harpie Lady and upon inspecting my deck they made a big deal about it. I only had 1 of each, mind you, not like I had a super competitive Harpie deck. I'm still flabbergasted they gave two shits.
I never understood why Parasite Paracide was such a big deal. Your opponent can just take a card on their graveyard out of the sleeve and put it in there and shuffle it into the deck.
you're not big brain, you're *giant* brain
What if you double sleeve and your opponent doesnt? What if they forget to give back the card?
Only real players will remember the torture of Convulsion of Nature on Dueling Network
Oh the days of either having players banish their entire deck and use the deck slot as the banish zone, or getting reported to a mod and given a loss. good times
Yeah, the trick is to run three so your opponent concedes because he has to pick up his kids or eat dinner or isn't planning to kill himself in the near future for some reason.
The original text of cyber harpie lady was also weird: "for the purpose of the rules, this card is always treated as harpie lady"
I once made a deck based around convulsion of nature, question, and a few other very odd cards that deliberately tried to throw people off with bizarre mechanics while reducing the game to guessing games and dice rolls. As with many gimmick decks, it sucked butts, but was really fun to watch or play with. It was practically like watching a game show. lol
Cyber Harpie, Harpie Lady #1, Harpie Lady #2 and Harpie Lady #3 set the precedent for name-based cards when it was ruled that their treated names counted towards the deck limit of "3 cards of the same name".
In my opinion, it's only when the duel starts that the names change and therefore do not count when constructing the deck. It's like saying you can use the effect of a card that's not in the duel (like your side deck). It's too bad they decided that the effects apply outside of the duel as well.
you say that as if cards with effects usable from the side deck is a design space that's totally absurd for card games
@@hi-i-am-atan It is a little, but then again, MTG has dabbled in it a few times, and more recently, the Companion mechanic was introduced: It creates a deck construction limitation and can add itself to your hand (used to just be can be played directly from Side Board by paying normal mana cost. It was busted.)
Problem is those aren't considered effects, more like on the card printed rulings. It's something where even if you played a card to negate all monster effects on the field the Harpies would all have their name still be treated as Harpie Lady. You even have Summoned Skull who has no effect but who has "always treated as an Archfiend" printed on him.
My favorite anomaly of this is Warrior of Atlantis searching "A Legendary Ocean", a card that technically doesn't exist because it always treats its own name as Umi.
Kinda makes the cards pointless now.
I remember Convulsion of Nature being used in SPYRALs
I could be wrong but I don't think any actual competitively played versions of the deck used it. At least the majority of them didn't.
I once saw a Goat format deck that used it to draw the entire deck in one turn using card's like Archfied's Oath, Royal Magical Library, and Giant Trunade to use them all again. The person playing it described it as "not a bad deck, but no one plays it because no one will want to play with you if you use that kind of deck".
Every time I see ,Weather Report' I think it looks like it's farting out the cloud behind it. Is it just me?
I actually would love if the parasite archetype got support. The other parasites are quit strong (summon any level 7 or higher insect from hand, ignoring summoning condition or be able to fusion summon during opponents turn) and I would love to see a theme revolving around parasites that manipulate the opponents hand, field or deck.
Think about it, adding bricks to your opponents deck, while maybe mind control monsters, let switch hand cards that give you his resources while he needs to play with those parasites or let the opponent attack its own monsters. There would be quit some intresting interactions. The shuffle problem could be solved by ruling it, that your opponent cannot look at his decks while shuffling.
This would be a lot of fun and a kinda hard counter against combo decks that actually need to see some cards, also against decks that are drawing a lot, cause it would give those negative downsides if they actually draw it.
We would need a fusion monster that can use any insect plus fusion parasite and a synchro parasite that adjust his level like destrudo and use a monster your opponent controls to synchro summon and of course a link monster with floodgates effects.
This could also lead that opponent can have up to 60 cards in the deck, even if they are playing a 40 card deck.
God this would cool
I had a parasite paracide and used it in a tournament and I forgot about it in my opponent's deck lol
The harpy lady 3 copy thing is the most technically speaking on the rules I've ever seen. HL #1 & HL are different cards so you should be allowed to have 3 of each.
Cyber Harpie Lady is an effect monster without an effect xD
wow, ive been using 3x poly and 1x fusion substitute in the same deck for the last 2 years, didnt even know i cant run them like that
8:21 also neo spacian marine dolphin and twinkle moss.
Another confusing thing with Parasite Paradise, if I use it and it's now on my opponents side of the field. It's effect suggest that *my* monsters would now become insects. Cause he owns the monster now.
Convulsion was actually ok in spyrals before double helix came out
to be fair to red eyes black metal dragon, if you have a red eyes with metal morph on the field and you start looking through your deck, your opponent is almost certainly gonna know why you are doing so. but thats because of how well known that summoning is
The anime broke the rule for Harpie Lady. Mai had multiple copies of Cyber Harpie and regular Harpie Lady in season 4. They should just errata the old ones so they share the name on the field and GY only; boom, trouble averted.
Well, the problem with that is that they're treated as Harpie Lady so they can be summoned with Elegant Egotist. That being said, they could easily just write in the text "This card can be special summoned by the effect of "Elegant Egotist" as if it were named "Harpie Lady"." along with the "This card's name is treated as Harpie Lady on the field or in the GY." effect.
I would just errata elegant egotist while we’re at it. It now just summons any harpie monster.
I loved Convulsion in my Macrocosmos deck. It was useful to know what cards your opponent has.
Dang, now I want to see face-down attack as a deck idea.
Like Shaddols, but more like Exxod Burn. Maybe some kind of hidden movement idea, you put all the cards in your hand then place them in face-down attack on the field wherever you see fit, and then your opponent has to risk whatever card they attack. Like some bounce both monsters, some flip one other card and some deal burn.
Here's an idea for a name: 'Stealth Strikes'. They could all be Ninja based cards, but smaller than things like Six Samurai or SuperHeavies. Maybe they'd get some form of quick-play stuff that also lets you have some form of choice in battle, or something like 'All-Out Attacks' where any face-down attack cards are then flipped on the turn for some more input and control.
They'd need something to move them around the board, presumably dealt with by returning them to the hand then shuffling that, then placing them in new positions. Some spells could swap 2 of them's positions as a trap to force certain effects, perhaps.
The term you're looking for is 'shuffle them on the field', and it's already used for magical hats.
Parasite was designed way before everyone used sleeves like they do today. I remember playing with no sleeves on an old wooden jungle gym at the park.
WEATHER REPORT! Changing the entire game like a CHAD
Unfortunate Report is the real CHAD!
But it's also a simp because it gives your opponent 2 Battle Phases.
Convulsion of nature is used for decks that wants to guess the name of the top card of the deck (like the true name)
Yeah he literally mentions that in the video lol...
@@wyomingptt I know?
@@doomkingraye7692 yeah so whats the point of your comment lol? You write it like youre informing him about something lol
What happens if you activate pot of desires when convulsion of nature is active? Would the banished monsters have effects/types because both players have seen what the cards are?
Nothing different happens. Regardless of the orientation of the deck, Pot of Desires banashes *face-down*.
Had to ask, but wanted to make sure the judges told me you only keep the top card face-up. So, if your opponent remembers that card they will only know 1 of the 10 and the cards you drew since your deck is still face up
I'm pretty sure that you're allowed to see the identities of face down banished cards.
The important bit is that they can't activate any effects.
@@Mernom well yes, you get to see your face down banished at any point, it's more for you opponent if they get to see the cards as they are banished.
Normally players would just take off the chunk from the top to save time, but does a game mechanic technically require you to banish the cards one by one or not.
No, they get banished face-down
I built an illegal harpie deck when I was like 6 (2006) and was so mad when I found out I couldn't have a bunch of them lol
It took me a long time to realize that Elogant Egotist artwork is a kaleidoscope of Harpie Lady heads
One card I wanted you to talk about is Ritual Foregone. Basically it's Instant Fusion for Ritual Monsters except it doesn't ignore any summoning conditions, not does it treat the summon as a Ritual summon or a proper summon. Usually if we follow the rules you can't use a random card effect to special summon a Ritual Monster from the hand, but currently you're forced to break this rule to make use of Foregone, there's no other way you could use it.
TBF summoning straight from the main deck is similar to summoning straight from the extra deck
Summoning from the extra deck is a much more common mechanic.
Fun fact, in one of the Yu-Gi-Oh GBA game (I think it is the Eternal Duelist Soul) if you want to summon Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon the intended way, you have to activate the EFFECT of vanilla Red-eyes (equiped with metalmorph). Same applies to Zoa.
@@Mernom yeah, but it wouldn't be really awkward. You just do it as if you were summoning something from the extra deck
yo but when parasite dude got used, nobody even knew what sleeves were LMAOO. me and my cousins would just make the person shuffling the deck close their eyes while shuffling so they couldnt purposefully send it to the bottom. that shit was intense
just realized elegant egotist is a face
Just noticed the harpy lady faces on elegant egotist for the first time. I've been looking at that card art for years, wow.
I tried using Parasite Paracide back in the day
I nearly forgot that card in my opponent's deck so many times
Is Cyber Harpie Lady technically an effect monster? She technically has no effects. Even if you negate her, her name is still treated as Harpie Lady.
She's an effect monster
She is an effect monster because she has an orange card and "/Effect" in her type line, despite not having an effect.
7:00 So is there any reason why it can only be used during the standby phase? Like would it have some sort of interaction with cards if it was used during the main phase or something?
I assume they were worried people would throw down a face down monster, then use it to instantly activate a flip effect on top of screwing with their opponent's monsters. (remember flip effects tended to be EXTREMELY powerful in early yugioh)
Darkness approaches wasn't a mistake, the card is clear about not changing battle position
The only effect the card Solomon's Lawbook has is to skip your own standby phase- that's it literally nothing else, and as far as I can tell it's the only card in the game whose sole effect is to skip 1 of your own phases.
True, but it has a fair amount of uses. It works especially well if you don't want to give up 10 cards to keep the Golden Castle up, or don't want to pay the 2000 LP to keep Mirror Wall active, and other uses I'm sure I am not remembering.
@@HighPriestFuneral
I know it has it's uses (I myself ran in it a normal monster deck based around Cu Chulainn the awakened which is one of the first coherent decks- it's why I remember it specifically) but it's still a really weird "only in old school yu-gi-oh" type of card
Neo Spacian Twinkle Moss and Marine Dolphin are even weirder, because they are extra deck monsters but are treated as their normal counterparts limiting the number of copies you can use in the deck
Cyber Harpie also breaks regular conventions by being an effect monster without an effect or summoning conditions/restrictions. It's functionally an effect monster with a completely empty effect box, since the name "effect" is not supposed to be seen as an effect but just as a "we wrote the wrong name in the name text to differentiate it, please ignore that wrong name though and pretend it has always said Harpie Lady from the beginning", considering Skill Drain doesn't change the name back.
I wanna say there was an interesting interaction between Inferno Reckless Summon and Harpie Ladies (at least on ygopro) where in a deck that I had running 3x Harpie Lady (vanilla) amongst other Harpie Ladies like #1, Cyber, etc. Whenever I activated Inferno Reckless Summon, targetted a vanilla Harpie Lady to special summon two non-vanilla Harpie Ladies, the game would pitch my remaining two copies of vanilla Harpie Lady to the graveyard.
As a kid i got very confused by the contact fusion summoning effect of XYZ Dragon Canon: "Removing the above cards from play..."
So i just special summoned it whenever I wanted just by removing all my cards on the field from play.
I thought the point of Harpy Lady #1-3 was so you could have more harpies in the deck and still use the older support cards on them.
Cards that summons themselves from the deck should have been extra deck monsters from the start, but at the time they were designed, the Fusion Deck was very restricted (XYZ Dragon Cannon being the first exception to my knowledge).
While there is nothing stating that you have to say what your summoning in the case of the charmers and metal-morphed versions, it's still common courtesy to explain what your going to do before picking up your deck so your opponent at least knows you aint just going for a peak, atleast that's how I played it, but I get what you mean, its pretty weird how they made it inherent and not a trigger.
Also fun thing about Convulsion of Nature, back when Dueling Network was a thing, there was no dedicated function to flip your deck, so people had to manually banish the top cards of their deck in exact order, and return them 1 by 1 to their deck face-up, and then repeat when C.o.N got taken off the field to put their deck back to normal, which resulted in a few rage quits as it took fucking ages to do so, only for an opponent to just destroy the C.o.N just to fuck with people.
What always confused me is that Parasite Paracide's effect doesn't activate if it's attacked and destroyed, at least in Duel Links - so you have to either flip summon it yourself or have it be attacked and NOT destroyed.
For convulsion of nature, I had a deck that had me shuffle my deck a lot, and I would shuffle the deck until I had the card I needed on top of the deck.
Cure of fiend is so weird! You're 100% right, the effect makes complete sense if it's a quick play spell.
Parasite paracide goes into the opponent's deck face up, meaning that when it is on the top of the deck it would be similar to convulsion of nature and that you would obviously see it as parasite paracide. Therefore it doesn't matter what card sleeves you use because you will always know which card is the parasite because it's the only card that's backwards in the deck.
Plus it's not like it matters that much, if you're running parasite paracide you're probably running Jade insect whistle, or else why bother?
It's basically impossible to fairly shuffle it though, which is the main problem.
The OG Harpies absolutely should get an errata on that ruling, they're not over powered. It ruined my speed duel Harpie deck too, finding out it was 6 cards over the limit and basically making a pure Harpie deck impossible :(
I remember face down attack position in Forbidden Memories, whenever your opponent set a monster face down in attack, you knew you were screwed.
True. I feel like many people forgot that game. I had a small book with all the possible combinations
Possibly a weird question, but what do brackets on an effect monster actually mean? I used to play Aliens and thought that their (A-counter 300) effect was just reminder text about what the counters did, but apparently not. Seeing the Harpies just reminded me of that.
Found this gem:
Call of Darkness:
Continuous trap card
All monsters restored with "Monster Reborn" are sent to the Graveyard. "Monster Reborn" also cannot be played as long as this card remains on the field.
"Restored"? I didn't even know that was a thing.
Also, when Parasite Paracide it flipped in battle and destroyed, its effect activates but doesn't resolve.
Confused the hell out of me as a kid.
I guess it's because damage calculation does off before the effect does, and since the effect activates on the field, it doesn't do anything from the GY.
The original 1-2-3 and Cyber could all be changed to “This card is treated as “Harpie Lady” while on the field or in the GY. Can be Special Summoned with “Elegant Egotist”.” And nothing would change lol
Definitely change numbered harpies to a field effect, and just also change elegant egotist to say "...special summon 1 monster with "Harpie Lady" in it's name..." and that covers all versions of harpie lady as well as sisters. It would be a lot simpler than what it is now.
curse of fiend reminds me of your rainbowfish video; it seems to be another angle/viewpoint of certain other early dark/fiend ritual spells
To be fair the harpy lady retrains were kinda the introduction of name changing cards. I believe the nex neo spacians have the same problem
No one:
Yugitubers: BUT, in duel links
It's weird how duel links changes things dramatically. Going first sucks, Koa'ki Meiru was an otk deck and not a control deck, and Genex was a decent tribute summon deck at one point.
Question. Convulsion and the parasyte are legal on tournaments? I mean okay, there is no way to put in competitive deck, im just curious how would the judges rule those situations. Can you just shuffle your deck, anytime when your next draw would be bad? Or your opponnent could cut your deck when you would topdecking something good? This situation makes a lot of questions about legality, cheating, etc.
You should talk about how fusion tag works differently in the tcg from the ocg
You can probably do a whole video on how a bunch of old cards that Special Summoned stated "Tributes are not required for Level 5 and above monsters", like the Attribute Summoners from Magic Ruler (UFO Turtle, Mystic Tomato, etc.) and Spear Cretin.
Its a shame they didnt keep up these effects, because they have a chance to add new layers to the game like how curse of fiend works with cold wave. You could have more specific phase spell cards that can bite you in the butt if not prepared to do so, and preparing to do so could reveal your strategy to your opponent or just be an outright bluff
It's been over 20 years, and I just now noticed that there are faces on "Elegant Egotist"
🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
As kids playing harpie ladies we ran 3 of 1, 2 and 3 as well as a couple vanilla. Also we thought hysteric party was a multiple use effect which turns out would be broken, reusable soul charge on a trap
I'm surprised that they still haven't given an errata to the harpy lady cards. I mean even when they were printed (and yes I was playing during that time) players knew that the fact that the cards were treated as harpie lady in the deck would affect deck building.
The original reason I think that the cards are worded this way is because theywere some of the first few cards that were created to help a pre-existing archetype. Mind you there were some already but these were still some of the very first that did that.
Link monsters should destroy itself when forced to change battle position
That Harpie Lady ruling blew my mind. So you're telling me that almost like every Harpie build I've seen is illegal? 🤔
That's sorta wack and I'm sad to know this. Lmao
I might be wrong but won't Parasite Paracide be illegal for tournament play now since you aren't allowed to touch your opponent's cards?
There are a handful of meta cards that change control too. A lot of blind 2nd decks run Mind Control. And Mystic Mine burn plays DD Guide. Will cards like that be temporarily banned?
The procedure would be an awakard one tbh, but I can't imagine a judge dealing with this at a locals.
At least in the case of Parasite, couldn't you use some kind of (non-yugioh) dummy card? I don't know those rules so maybe that's illegal too.
Speaking of cards being upside down, speaking of cards being upside down
Fuck someone beat me to it
have you done pole position vs pole position yet? that's a good one if i recall
What would happen if Parasite Parasade was used after Convulsions of nature, is it a double negitive (upside down of upside down is face down) or is it just upside down?
Also whay of Convulsions is used after, do you track down the Parasite and flip it to be upside down or when the deck is flipped is it just the only face down in your deck?
Catastrophic Phenomena [spell card] Your opponent shuffles a standard French 52-card deck into their deck. These additional cards cannot be placed on the field. When they are removed from the hand, they are immediately banished.
(This would be legit devastating to your opponent tho, lol)
Still haven't mentioned the ultimate rare air neos effect 😭
With the way Parasite Paracide is worded, who's monsters does it make insect type? Cause cards like silent wobby and santa claws treat your opponent as the controller. In this way, if you use this card and your opponent summons it, does it change your monsters to insects since you are the opponent of its controller?
Since, you control the card it's your cards that are changed to insect's, since when you draw it your card are the ones affected by it, I know cause weevil in the video games are the ones who use parasite parasite and it was dumb cause somehow I would always draw this fucking card like in 2 turns
Pretty sure that the entire effect is executed as it's getting flipped. Some parts of it are simply delayed.
Anyone else think that some of these cards should get retrains to have better effects? Because I think that they do.
Erratas would be better.
Another weird "Effect" is that of Summoned Skull which despite being a non effect monster has the line
"This card is always treated as an archfiend monster"
because it is called "Demon" (Japanese name for archfiend) in the OCG.