Why Batman vs Spiderman isn't Close (DC VS MARVEL)
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As much as i love Batman(who doesn't love him)
One thing i hate about some of his die hard fans are the saying he can beat anyone with prep time which maybe true but there's limits for certain characters like what if Superman wanted to kill him and decided to not hold back and speed blitz him.
Batman cannot beat everyone with prep considering his prep failed against several characters such as superman, darkseid, justice league, bronze tiger, failsafe, etc.
@@koru_op3354 tell that to the die hard Batman fan's RIP in advance.
@@BRUHOFFICIAL69 i do, but my family ends up getting threatened in the process😭
Lets be honest even batman admits at his worst day superman would still beat the brakes out of him in his worst day
true i agree he can't beat everyone but supes can't just beat the way you say, cuz he is always ready for him, wat do you mean speed blitz wasn't it established that he can react to guys like reverse flash, there is just no conceivable way that spiderman could ever hope to beat main batman, he is just too op mainline batman is not street tier, he beat soo many ppl that could flick away spiderman
Batman vs Daredevil is a far closer matchup than people think. People just really downplay other peak humans that isn’t Batman or directly to do with him. Even unknown characters like Paladin are underrated despite them still having impressive feats
Ngl this is facts
Batman would slaughter daredevil
@@spidermaniscool12 oh not the Batman pfp 😭
@@DT25659 Instead of contending my point or giving me proof for your claim you bring up a more important topic (the fact that my pfp is Batman which means nothing)🔥😭
@@spidermaniscool12 because nothing I say would change your mind as you’re probably one of those people that genuinely think Batman solos fiction or just takes a ton of “feats” out of context. I could list off multiple Daredevil feats and you’ll say some retarded shit like “Batman beat Darkseid tho 🤓”.
I definitely see this being an interesting matchup in a random encounter. I imagine Pete would be holding back since he doesn’t know Bats and Bruce would realize Spidey is tough enough to handle some of his toughest basic weapons.
Michael Garcia a suprresd spiderman vs batman would be medium tohigh difficulty for 6 out 10 for spidey or Batman
great video bro
Not even close cause Spidey Sense nerfs anyone’s prep time and all Spidey needs is one punch! Spidey could easily Kill Batman!
spider man is just another kind of beast
its crazy how ppl underestimate spider-man's strength lol
Both are the goats of comic books and faces of their respective universes in my opinion
All these shorts I see, people really coping with all these biased categories they give to Batman so he can win, when the speed and ap difference is all Spidey needs 😭
Is darth competent on of them you saw
Batman fans are funny sometimes 😂, batman is a mare mortal, the prep nonsense is weird.
Saying with prep time makes batman sound weak imo
@@leejee88 And they keep saying all the damn time ridiculous
@@emperordavid2044 it is wen I was growing up you never heard the whole "with prep time " argument it never came up
@@leejee88 because now in the comics batman has “contingency plans” that he’s never had to once use lmAo and people think with prep time he’s some god. And it’s because he beats Superman sometimes but that’s only because of the kryptonite weakness. Give anybody a kryptonite suit of armor and they can beat Superman🤷🏽♂️ I love batman and in reality he solos a decent of dc and marvel universe but only the characters that either :dont have super powers like iron man, joker obviously and maybe even the punisher or characters that’s powers are limited to enhanced strength like captain America, bucky Barnes and bane obviously lol
@@Saanfraancisco batman always had contingency plans .it never needed to over stated like it is .why do you think batman had gadgets for every situation? (See adam west batman series) because he didn't have powers like characters like superman,wonder woman etc he had to compensate with gadgets and his intellect ..
Ah yes the truth always feels good to hear once in awhile
Hey captain great vid, man! Really apreciate the consideration and effort put into researching spidey, many poeple downplay and underestimate his stats and feats.
There is also a feat where spider man temporarly blitz Eric Masterson thor and he can't even react (Don't know the context of the story though). The Mighty Thor #448
By the way, really would like to see Itachi vs Spidey.
Love the content man. Peace, out!
Great video. Do Captain America vs Batman next
W bro keep it up, can you please tell me from which comic is the feat shown in 13:11?.
Can you do a video on who would win in a crossverse situation between Taskmaster (Marvel Comics) and Vega (Street Fighter)?
nice video man
just asking. can this Harold-tier scaling be used for the alternate universe versions of spiderman (spider-gwen,miles morales,penny parker,peter porker,spiderman noir,zombie spiderman,ect) or this scaling specific to 616 peter?
Potentially, you gotta look at the feats
I like that you basically said "like yeah batman COULD win, but its more likely that spidey takes it." Cuz yeah i totally agree lol
i prefer Peni parker scaling
I have a question. Outside of Herald Scaling, how high is Spider-Man’s AP/durability and speed? I’ve seen some Island level stuff but you mentioned there was some Multi continental to Planet level stuff for him. Only one I can think of is him beating Carnage (Norman Osborn but still) and Carnage tanking a gene bomb which was supposed to kill everyone non mutant on the planet.
I know there’s some uni+ stuff he tanked in ‘The Avengers (1963) #314-317
All facts 💯💯💯
Hey so I know I made another request of Spider-Man vs the thing but I got 1 that I’m really hoping you make 616 Spider-Man vs 616 colossus who stronger and also 2 other ideas (I don’t really care for but here) Luke cage vs colossus and colossus vs the thing and colossus vs she hulk
I did luke cage vs colossus already if you want to check that out the other match ups ill consider it
@@captainforest ya please I think their needs to be video proving Spider-Man just even in physical strength and durability he is on par with the likes of the thing and above the likes of colossus,Luke cage, she hulk, rhino etc and anyone on their tier or below(it’s one of the reasons I hope you make Spider-Man vs colossus video so you can prove that based off feats and scaling Spider-Man is stronger)
"Um, actually Batman would win because of plot armo~I mean, prep time."
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just asking but how does batman compare when we give them their full gear. with things like the hell-bat,final bat-suit,ect. does spiderman have anything that can compare to those?
You could make arguments for spiderman potentially taking on the suit if you use high ends, but i think the suits have too much versatility and hax to deal with spiderman
@@captainforest has spiderman used things of similar caliber?
@@johnathancastro7943there is the mark 4 suit that’s basically iron man level tech/armour and it boosts his abilities. However, the hellbat is probably better in terms of power, but that suit also kills him the longer he’s in it.
What about Batman’s reverse flash speed scaling?
Bat-Man fans are the most toxic. They always talk about prep time. If you need to think about prep time, that literally means Bat-Man is incapable of beating Spider-Man on a head to head foght to the death. Anyone who denies it, you're just butt hurt.
This fight isn't even close 😂 agree with everything you said 👍 Daredevil vs Batman? Or Moon Knight vs Deathstroke ? Just some ideas lol
Let's Go Spider-Man W!
Their some context with that Carnage fight since I think it's implied Kindred put a bug in Norman brain who was being controlled by Carnage at the time to not murder Spider-Man which help Spider-Man win. I think it's more consistent to say Carnage is stronger and would beat Spider-Man more times then not. Carnage aka Cletus has consistently took on both Spider-Man and Venom at the same time and even took a hit from Spider-Man who said he put everything he had in his punch and Carnage called said punch pathetic and we see Spider-Man literally taken aback by Carnage. Carnage has also ran kain parker the Scarlet Spider, and agent Venom fade. This is mainly impressive since flash is a better host then mac gargan and scarlet spider has a confirmed statement by superior Spider-Man or being stronger than him. This is impressive since Superior Spider-Man is extremely arrogant in his abilities but still admits to kain being stronger but yet Carnage still ran both their fade at the same time.
The symbiote scaling also definitely ranges mainly because the quality of the host can make Venom or Carnage weaker or stronger. Example mac gargan was a much inferior host to Eddie and Flash as Gargan venom has consistently been shown to be more equal if not a little weaker then Spider-Man to the point peter still refers to gargan as still a loser even with the venom amp and once said gargan is not even the good venom. This shows even peter still doesn't see mac as that big of a threat compared to Eddie. Eddie on the other hand has been more consistently shown to be stronger to Spider-Man. Like the gap between Spider-Man and Venom was shown more prominently when Eddie dragged peter to a island with no distractions and peter upright admits he can't outfight Eddie. Even against a serious Spider-Man Eddie believes he can still beat peter ass.
Like Carnage and Eddie brock has only been getting stronger over time and from my viewpoint even more then Spider-Man. Their was always a gap between the three of them but said gap between the symbiotes and Spider-Man has only gotten larger over time. At least in my opinion I don't think Spider-Man fully scales to the current busted symbiote characters.
Like current Eddie brock is ridiculous with his king in black powers. With Spider-Man his feats fluctuate to being all over the place where you have to argue the consistency on where to place him. I think muti city block level to island level is the safest ranges for Spider-Man but with Eddie brock currently I think it's more consistent that he might straight up be beyond mutiversal levels of power thanks to being the king in black.
I'm hesitant to say Eddie is fully their yet since he's currently still trying to underestand his powers but to speak on Eddie potential another version of him a another king in black named meridus is on all father thor level and was swapping blast with thor.
I'm not sure where to put Eddie currently but with the recent reveal Eddie will be fighting doctor doom it's safe to say at least from my scaling Eddie should demolish Spider-Man.
That goes for Carnage too who has gotten several amps in his own series to the point he's being called a threat to the mutiverse.
This just my scaling though as I said I don't necessarily have a problem with people scaling comic Spider-Man higher then me but I personally just think it's more safe to talk about what's more consistent and the context. Do we take Spider-Man punching over mutiversal level characters as a feat or say it was a writing inconsistencies. I'm more inclined to believe it's an inconsistency but once again you can scale higher base one interpretation and how much weight put in those feats. Personally, I don't think Spider-Man scales to thor or hulk or the other hearld tier characters and its usually a fluke when I see it. Like it will take a couple writers and the editors together coming together to upright say to me Spider-Man scales for me to accept.
Anyway good video and do agree Spider-Man should beat a no preptime batman. Like regardless rather its the island level Spider-Man scaling like me or forest scaling of mutiversal Spider-Man and beyond batman should take the L
The Way of the Spider helped Peter focus more on his skills. As a result, Spider-Man became more effective in hand-to-hand combat (on Daredevil’s level). His unique fighting style is a solid backup for he loses his spider-sense.
Welp can't wait to see who cries about this
I watch your channel.
why is this still a debate
do black panther vs soldier boy
Thought spidey had training with iron fist and one other. Well its not training they made it seem like he would egg people on to fun fights to see who wins. Iron fist I believe is the only one to beat spidey in a 1 v1 fist fight. I thought his "anger buff" wasnt an anger buff i always viewed it as "oh now hes a jumping spider with harmful intention and super human intelligence" to me it was his 3rd gear.
Batman solos cause hes
Batman 🗿
I close m'y arguments
Spider man solos cause hes
Spider man 🗿
I close m’y arguments
@@Toatekaha good arguments 🗿👍
@@Toatekahaim vengeance
@@TheFlashSolos-gk6lm I’m your friendly neighbourhood Spider man
Doesn't the way of the spider counter every martial art?
Yeah but Spiderman doesn’t use it anymore in character and it sadly isn’t enough against batmans assortment of skill
it was stated in a interview that he practice the way of the spider every morning in a interview while training under captain america learned chi to slow the world around him managed to defeat someone without his spider sense who can see into the future by 5 seconds and iron fist who learned technique beyond time and space and an infinite amount of ways to kill someone stated that he could not beat spiderman also his spider sense gives him all the possibility of a fight
Thanks for cleaning this up for those who aren’t convinced.
I don’t even think Batman is town or city level. I think those ranges for peak humans is ridiculous and outliers not to mention very heavily contextual and most importantly, HEAVILY reliant on calcs. Like, Ive seen the calcs for Captain America taking Gambit’s explosion ranging from Multi City block to town all the way up to city level. Those aren’t just small differences or gaps mind you, it’s like thousands to millions of times difference in potency and same goes for Batman. At least with spidey the comic straight up tells you he’s taking an attack that’s gonna blow up the city similar to 2099 vs Judas Traveler or Doc Ock tanking an attack that will bust an island or Carnage taking an explosion that was gonna flash fry every non mutant on the planet.
Spider-Man’s feats come with a lot less room for speculation and are more blatant. When Batman does team busting feats, either the characters he’s fighting are weaker than usual, caught off guard, holding back, or just have easily exploitable weaknesses. Most of the time is all of the above.
When Spider-Man team busts, there’s no prep time, no fake clones or simulations. Spider-Man just does it raw. It’s a lot more impressive for Spider-Man to take out Pheonix Force empowered individuals, or Angrir Thing or Hulk than it is for Bruce to take down superman with red sun radiation or Kryptonite, or take out green lantern with the color yellow. Batman may rely on prep time, but Peter does his shit without aid which I find to be far more impressive.
All told, the sole advantage that The Batman possesses is total experience that's it.
Bro made sure to give us 2 mins of Batman feats and 8 of Spider-Mans, Batman’s intuition, combat, battle iQ, and overall intentions on taking on a fight is far superior than Peter’s
What good is any of that when he gets stat stomped, speed blitzed and one shotted? Ill wait.
@@captainforest he doesn’t get speed blitzed and I’m sure Wonder Woman, Superman etc are stronger than spidey, he has tanked and went against stronger ppl
Batman is very strong but he ain't taking on Spidey. Other Marvel street tier characters would be better match ups for him but not Peter.
I do think spidey is a lot faster than Batman but I don’t think Spider-Man has immeasurable speed in reaction time. I think she hulk just holds back greatly against him, at best spidey would be a few times faster then the speed of light?
Immeasurable speed scaling are high ends, you don’t have to use them or agree to it, FTL,MFTL+ are good ranges if you want to stick with those
@@captainforest it depends on how mftl spideys reaction time is.
I personally don't really believe in Herald Tier Spider-man as others do.
Or at least not for Base form Spidey.
It's more of a High-End to me.
But I'm not saying that nobody should use that stuff, I don't see anything wrong with it.
I understand that you do, it's fine with me.
I respect that dearly.
I have seen the video on Spidey.
Although even without it, Spidey Is still Much faster and much stronger than Batman.
@@moonknight4053
I've seen some calcs ranging from either
Hundreds to even quintillions of times the speed of light, and That's at Minimum.
There is a calc that involved a Planck instance, and That has Way too many zeroes, that's how high it is.
@@moonknight4053 vs wiki have some good mftl calcs for marvel characters check em out
Batman vs Daredevil is a better and far more interesting matchup if you ask me.
The only way Bruce would beat Peter in a direct confrontation is if Spider-Man doesn't take the fight seriously or severely underestimates Batman.
Hellbatsuit also base batman dodges lasers
But.....prep time......but.....plot armor.
Despite Spider-Man being my favorite character in comics,I think that Batman is easily the more disciplined and focused of the two characters. Spider-Man has his powers,but I'm not totally sure how much of an edge that gives him over Batman's seemingly inhuman ability to meticulously plan. There is one exception. One that may give Spider-Man the edge: his spider-sense. I would say that Batman would almost definitely win,if not for that one factor. That makes it more difficult to call...
batman got plot armor
Spider-Man is also smarter than Batman by a landslide. He has an iq of 250 while Batman has an iq of 192
Iq isn’t the main determiner for overall intelligence and Bruce’s iq has never been stated.
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IQ of 250 and works as a failing freelance photographer who can barely pay the rent. He'd still beat the snot of batman, but I don't think I'd compare some random IQ stat, which just doesn't hold water when you look at the "intelligence feats of the two".
Im the real batman gotham needs me
Bug spray boys
Ngl current Batman would bully spiderman
One more day completely Nerf Spider-Man and took away most of his feet he doesn't have the same strength feats any more before he could be able to lift about 10 times now he can only knocks off at full power
Batman vs spiderman is close, any of them could win. But i will side with spiderman, spider is vastly above batman in terms of physicallity.
I prefer spider man in my heart all the say
Spiderman is also too durable. He tank hits rom hulk, and rhino. Almost daily.
Even if i don't agree with ur scaling videos(cause i think that a lot of Batman and Spider-man's feats are outliers) yes, Spider-man oneshot Batman, he's far too stronger and faster, and more durable. Has more power, ability, hax, agility, flexibility ecc..
Outliers lol 🤡
@@captainforest 🤡💀
What are the outliers :/
Nah yall spider man glazers don’t know anything abt Batman
Aint no way you're talking 💀
Okay first of all: you fucking forget both of these fuckers dont kill so spiderman webbing batman down the throat is just actual bullshit lol. Also Arkham batman would destroy spiderman purely because of the fact that he grew up in Gotham, which in a nutshell compared to peter is the fucking Stewart little vs Remmy as far as backgrounds are concerned, also if you think Bruce W cant defeat peter Parker (also you forget that if they were just not in costume, spiderman didint have his gear n shit and batman did not have his gear and shit spiderman wouldint have web shooters so there ya fucking go) anyways if you think Bruce Wayne cant defeat peter fucking Parker. watch the opening of Arkham city. Coupled with the fact that Bruce Wayne even without the batsuit can parry like all hell no matter the enemys strength, its a fair fight in the setting and parameters you put them in. Also, finnally, im sorry i really dont get the Reed Richards argument, sure there both geniuses but you have to understand here that reed is a scientist and batman is a detective in one of the most fucking brutal citys in the world, they are two clearly different people using there intellect for two distinctively different purposes, so of course one is gonna be better than the other in some places.
and about superman...fair enough
batman took on the justice league and won. whats your point. aint no way spiderman is stronger than the justiec league. batman wins low diff
Seeing batman has plans to take out speedsters, gods, that can neg multiverses .i dont see how Spiderman would even be a warm up that's prep. Random encounters as well batman hangs with Randoms better than the league does so idk.
1. Flash, he has plans to take out flash. And that plan is tailored to manipulate him on a mental level. Distracting him with civilians and hit him a speed stealing bullet when he's not looking.
2. Not all of his plans work, he still gets overwhelmed and outsmarted by the same "gods" he takes on.
3. Dont use a superman/kryptonite fight as a win on batman as superman in a converstation once said he lets Batman win because he knows it would mean a lot to him if he did. Even batman has said "If decides he wants to, there would be nothing on earth that could stop him from killing you" in the batman who laughs arc. Even Batman believes he cant stop superman.
4. Spider-man has superior senses and a precognitive ability, to the point he can tell exactly what an oppent is going to do before it is done. Batman's plans mid fight woukd fall apart because Spider-man would see right through it. He has never faced someone with his level of situational awareness. Even flash isnt that aware, tho it is obvious he's not since he can be surpised by a bullet when he's not looking.
Still angers me that it is consitent that flash is faster than instantaneous teleportation and faster than even the cincept of speed itself, yet can be surprised by a bullet that is magnitudes slower than him.
@themarinefan lol worse scaler I can't even debate 😅
@@samuraiblack8840 guess it is easier to dismiss me than engage. Cheers, mate.
@themarinefan batman being around the league and able to even upload a virus the very first time he met a motherbox walking super computer the very first time they met .Spiderman is Nothing to him
@@samuraiblack8840batman existing around people who are much stronger than him in every regard doesn't make him as strong💀 if you wanna argue iq and biq sure thats another thing, but in everything else besides combat skill spiderman is much much stronger
Batman slams lol
Soldier boy slams black panther
💀
@@Zyphern sum funny bum?
@@cov-hx5ok black panther slams
@@Zyphern he doesn’t
@@Zyphern he gets slammed
Honestly I agree, if we give both prep time, Batman clearly wins but in a spur of the moment, Spiderman stomps.
Dude, that prep time bullshit is so annoying. What is he gonna do against Spider-Man? The only reason he beats super man is because he literally has the cheapest weakness ever that an element weakens his power. There’s nothing like that for Spider-Man. He would have to win in hand to hand combat something he couldn’t do.
@@Saanfraancisco Super Powered Bat suits… ring a bell?
@@shadowman9081 ok if we’re talking about that you act like Spider-Man isn’t also a super genius… why does prep time give Batman a super powered suit and spider man gets nothing… Spider-Man has made different suits and gadgets to adapt to his opponents multiple times.
If Spider-Man is also given prep time he wins even harder
yeah if batman gets prep time so does spidey, remember there was a time when peter outsmarted the whole avengers, the only edge batman has is money but bruh spiderman still makes super advanced shit being poor😂
idk I feel like this could be really close, batman has beaten the likes of superman before, and that is close to spidermans level(that is when spiderman doesn't hold back). I think if it was a random encounter with no prep time spiderman would come out on top. But with prep time an even battle batman may have an edge. My personal opinion.
"Prep time"🙄🙄, look I love batman but he doesn't stand a chance against Spiderman lol. Superman isn't capable of killing that's why batman has been shown to get one over him, if he wanted it will be over in seconds.
Spiderman has intellect similar to Bruce so if you gave both prep time spidey is still gonna be above bruce
Beating a character with easily exploitable weakness is easier so it’s just a false equivalence. Plus even in those instances where Batman “beats” Superman is mostly cause Superman lets Batman beat him which is something both have acknowledged. Spider-Man doesn’t have an equivalent of kryptonite or red sum radiation either.
Actually spiderman is no where near Supermans level....
@@bluebebleu except Batman has never beaten superman at full power. He either relies on red sun radiation or kryptonite to pull that off and even then Superman admits that he holds back against Bruce and basically throws the fight cause he’s his friend.
Kraven has handled Spidey numerous times, Bats for the win. And, Batman fell from the moon...
Lol nice nit pick and taking things out of context. Falling from the moon isn’t impressive.
Kraven slaps Batman too
This man thinks falling from the moon is more impressive than taking hits from beings empowered with the Phoenix force lmao batstans are delusional
you do realize kraven is superhuman right ? its not just his skills( this comment is for the user before the replies)
I'm definitely taking Kraven over Batman
I aint a nerd or anything but Batman wins, spiderman is a skinny 5,8 nerd 🤣
spiderman got powers
Spider-man is 5’10½” or 1.79 cm
Weird💀
Ok I understand that this is just comics but there has to be some bit of common fu¢king senses when writing these comics. I don't care how strong you are, someone like Spider-Man shouldn't be able to handle nobody above his tier level