the primeagen and Tj both use Ubuntu, as they only care for Neovim and writing software and hopping Distro is scary as you need to learn new stuff, and the system they use work well enough that they can get stuff done as they only install I3 and awesome to fix Ubuntu(or pop_os) edit: i use Arch btw
FYI: Fedora is not run by RedHat. Its run by a Community 100%. It is backed and financed by RH/IBM because they use Fedora as their playground to test things upstream. Just Like OpenSUSE for example is a Community project backed by the real thing SuSE GmbH. Ubuntus main focus is enterprise where fancy innovation comes second after rock solid stability. Just like in RHEL and SLE. 😊
@@BenderdickCumbersnatch Absolute fact. Ubuntu also claims to be a community distro, but Canonicals devs have the keys to the repositories, and dictate the direction of the project. Fedora absolutely proceeds at the pleasure of Red Hat developers.
I mean….this is technically true, but Red Hat employees make up the majority of the contributions and I’m pretty sure most of the leading council are Red Hat people. There isn’t a path for an outsider to “work their way up” and be on the community council. Personally I don’t have a huge problem with this setup. The project has direction and leadership, but it is independent enough that they do interesting things outside of the direction Red Hat is going. Often Fedora stuff is mainlined into Red Hat, but not always. The Red Hat-Fedora relationship is pretty similar to the Canonical-Ubuntu relationship….the difference is that because desktop is an actual focus for the company, it isn’t a zombie entity just coasting on momentum from 10 years ago.
> Just like in RHEL and SLE now now, its funny to compare "ROCK SOLID STABILITY", specifically like RHEL/SLE to *buntu, likely just mistyped DEBIAN, right? right?
Fedora and Arch are very popular among Linux youtubers because they both are bleeding edge in terms of features and updates and youtubers need that to produce content.
You need a mix of stable and bleeding edge to be able to support newer hardware. Some companies do run heavy workloads, and they require up to date hardware to execute those tasks.
That perfectly fits what I've seen. I've also seen that their userbase is also like those into 3d printing. Get it, and the hobby entails just making it work and moding it, but never actually using it for anything productive.
Fedora using Gnome and Wayland on my Minisforum HX-90 is the best experience I've had with Linux. After years of distro hopping it's a no brianer. Good video Matt!
People complaining about Matt talking too much about Fedora. Matt: Okay, let me talk about Fedora why I am talking too much about Fedora... Just golden. :D
Switched to Fedora from Arch a few months ago. Partially influenced by your praise and switch to it. (Was getting tired of small breakages on Arch.) Loving it!
Fedora is gaining on Ubuntu quickly. I believe Fedora's continued support to Open Source makes the difference and Ubuntu is increasingly incorporating and working with closed source companies. No bueno. What is surprising is that Fedora's stability has continued since about 19-20 till now and I believe it will continue. Proving that working with large companies can pay off without selling out. Excellent video Matt! BTW, fedora on Mac M1 is going to be great. It flies!
I like arch, but it breaks a little too often for my liking. Sometimes it is only one program and other times its grub (very recent) or something system critical. Either way, Fedora is looking appealing. I might revisit it soon.
i feel you on the matter of grub. i switched back to fedora after attempting to install grub numerous times. despite having installed arch successfully in the past i just could not get grub to boot.
As a 3D artist, I love that Fedora is compatible with most of the commercial CG software (that is made for Linux, of course) and is more suitable for home use than something like CentOS (or Rocky Linux / AlmaLinux now)
Just curious, which programs are you referring to? I would imagine they are also available on Ubuntu? But yes, it's common for professional software to officially support Red-Hat/Fedora/OpenSuse, and then it's up to maintainers to port it to the others. I encountered this back in the day with DaVinci Resolve.
@@drownthepoor Autodesk Maya and Mudbox, RenderMan are what I could think of, there's probably more though. They come as RPM packages. I know you could convert them but this will result in dependency issues and not really a good practice IMO
@@AstrayCG I have gotten Maya working on Ubuntu, but I certainly wouldn't recommend going through all that! As you said, Fedora is the most compatible out of the box
I really like Fedora, but I have a problem with the software. Almost all of the companies and software developers exclusively support Ubuntu stable. This is a huge deal. I know that some of the software is unofficially ported to other distros, but this is not the same as getting an official package from the developers. I hope that we will solve this issue with flatpaks or something similar in the future. We will have way more freedom if there will be one unified package format.
There will never be one unified package format, but that's not actually the issue anyway. The existing packaging systems are great for the needs of the distro/os and those most common applications that everyone expects to be part of a distro. Using something like flatpak or snap for something like firefox is idiotic. The trouble comes in with commercial applications as well as applications that are not part of the shipping repositories. A free distro isn't going to be including many non-free applications, and even when they do they may require extra steps to enable. So companies wind up needing to figure something out, often this has been in the form of a static package for each supported distro, or even hosting 3rd party repos that the user needs to then add. Open source software of more niche interest often gets abandoned, infrequently updated, or insufficiently tested leading to breakage. So the solution here is a universal binary package like flatpak. But it would always be that in addition to the core packaging system.
@@gljames24 He's talking specifically about commercial software. He's right that most of them don't have flatpak support. Distrobox is probably a reasonable option, though in many ways that's not much different than just installing ubuntu.
why dont you manually compile free software not on repos at the end of the day a binary is still a binary to make the pre compiled binary on your repos and third party repos someone somewhere still had to compile them manually just cut out the middle man
As a former user of (and huge fan of) OS/2, I can tell you: IBM and Microsoft don't get along. Microsoft screwed IBM over with Windows 95, and they still co-hold some patents for pieces of OS/2 that they probably should have released before Windows 95 came out. OS/2 was supposed to be the default operating system shipped on PCs.
I tried fedora KDE on my desktop (modern intel cpu and AMD graphics card) and it didn’t work well for me. I don’t remember the details, but I ended up switching to mint and switched it to KDE and I’ve really enjoyed it. I’m willing to give it another try one day because I do like some things about fedora a lot.
I started with Redhat 5, and used it through version 9. After that, the Fedora Core project started, but it was pretty terrible in those early days. I hopped around a bit back then until Ubuntu came out. That lasted a long time until they started doing what you're talking about here, and Pop became my main around that time. A few years ago I switched to Fedora on a whim, just because I was getting fed up with the underlying Ubuntu on Pop. I haven't looked back at this point and I hope the only reason to stop using Fedora is either death or because I end up making a dream distro based on Fedora for home users. That's an entirely different post though. Good video, keep it up.
Just settled on Fedora today. I wanted something more stable than Arch for a production environment, and I couldn't get comfortable on any of the Ubuntu derivatives. Packages were too old, full kernel version behind etc. Honestly glad to have a distro that has reasonably recent software, a KDE flavor, and isn't going to break on me quite as easily.
Fedora is that distro that is in the perfect middle of stability and update packages. But if you add to that the nix package manager and bedrock linux it becomes AWESOME
My two cents: Arch simply gives me too much power. I always break Arch (on Desktop). Fedora keeps me just a few steps away from "total control" which tremendously helps me not to break system packages as I can do more easily with Arch. I love Arch, don't get me wrong. Sometimes I just lose control because I have too much of it if that makes any sense.
Gaming is the primary driver of growth in Linux desktop adoption right now. For AMD graphics users, Fedora offers an install-and-go experience and the pace of updates maximizes the chance that new games will be playable at launch. It also happens to be extremely stable, which is a must for a new user just looking to escape Windows. I figure it's about that simple.
@@davidhujan86 KDE will feel more familiar to a Windows user. I personally prefer Gnome after getting used to it, but just go with KDE if you're looking to minimize your learning curve.
@@ArniesTech You'll get there, and you've already started really awesome. I was quite surprised at your good content. I'm a Linux Noob, but I'm trying to learn from good Teachers.
You’re absolutely right about fedora. It’s a great (half) rolling release and yet very stable. That being said, I also like Tumbleweed. I have a hard time choosing between the two distros.
Indeed, Fedora is top tier. They really care about stability, and it never feels like I'm using an old distribution. You always get kernel updates and bug fixes, and it is just rock solid overall. My only gripe is the slowness of the DNF package manager, and I've heard rumors that even that will be improved. It cannot be understated how nice Fedora is. I think my favorite part is how whatever desktop you choose seems to be the best version of that desktop. If you choose Gnome, it's stock with good defaults. Same with Plasma. Just stays out of your way and leaves you with a good, clean slate for your desktop needs.
dnf seems to do a lot more housekeeping in the background, I assume that's where the speed goes. I'll take it though, it's never broken on me (unlike apt for example)
@gius db Yeh, I haven't really done much of a comparison, just going off my laptop (nvme). To be completely honest, I hadn't noticed that much of a speed difference between dnf and apt - certainly not enough to bother me. Maybe that's why.
Over the years of using Linux, I now get to a point where the UI should be as it always had been. I think, that is the same with XFCEs or Debians popularity. Few changes over years. In the other side Snap is not that big problem for costum users: nearly 90% of my costumers and friends with Ubuntu uses Chrome or Chromium. Some wants MS Edge. Mozilla Firefox gets a part of history...
@@ArniesTech People putting convenience first is part of the reason the world and societies are in such a terrible situation now. Those people are not only making a choice for themselves but they drag others down with them so I don't think it is honest to claim there is nothing wrong with people putting convenience first.
@@folksurvival I agree, true advancement only comes with a lot of hard work and dedication. Let things go and they decline. Let things go for a long time and you end up with systemic issues that can topple empires. It doesn't matter is we're talking about Ubuntu's decline or IRL nations, the easy way out instead of addressing the real issues eventually comes back to haunt you.
I switched to Fedora about 6 months ago after getting a laptop which needed a recent kernel for amdpgu driver support. Sure AMD could have been a little faster with driver support in the first place, but to this day Ubuntu still doesn't properly support my hardware while Fedora is solid, particularly with Pipewire and Wayland support. Definitely the best desktop experience for recent hardware.
I've been using Fedora for about 5 months now. Tried many others but have always had issues with them (sound, bluetooth, etc) but for me and my machine Fedora just ran with no hiccups....
I think a lot of the progress in distros like ubuntu has actually just been progress in the gnome project and fedora ships base gnome. Hats off to pop os for starting down their own path
Arrived at Fedora 28 and have never looked back. OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian will always have a special place, but Fedora have managed to combine all the best bits and pieces in a very solid distribution showcasing consistency, functionality, compability, speed and feel.
Also another reason for Fedora getting popular is because of the Nobora project as well since it is based off of it for gamers. For those who want to switch distros that is. I am planning on using Nobora project since I am a gamer after all it seems like this is the best option for me.
It works, it's progressive, backed by Red Hat. It's also an up to date and yet point release distro. Every half year there's a point release, not an LTS every two years with interim versions. It doesn't feel like you're running a desktop on top of a server. I think there's a lot to say about a Linux distro that can just work. I just wish Red Hat would get the Nvidia driver working with Secure Boot but that's wishful thinking.
I just switched to Fedora 38 desktop 4 days ago, I have been using Ubuntu for 6 months after 20yrs window user. I love linux but have recently seen the underbelly of Ubuntu and Fedora does what i need and so much more, it is fantastic.
Disclaimer: despite the title, this video is more about Ubuntu/Canonical than Fedora/RedHat; but I really enjoy Matt's videos, especially when I (partially) disagree with him.
I have always treated my personal laptop as a test bench. It is always multi-boot with a primary linux partition, a windows partition (just in case) and usually 1 or 2 bare metal installs that I am testing out (virtual machines never give the full picture). I really want to like Fedora, but I have never been able to get it to play nice in a multi-boot setting. I can get it working, but always feels hacky which drives me nuts. Plus, the current Cinnamon spin isn't running the most up to date version and that drives me nuts. I get that Fedora is midway between a rolling release and a point release, but I have Mint and EndeavourOS both running 5.4 and hat that Fedora is still on 5.2.
A VM can be useful just to quickly check a distro but, as you said, it doesn't give the full picture. I use an external SSD with an USB 3 adapter to fully test a distro. In fact, my daily driver now is on an external SSD. I didn't see any speed difference with an internal drive.
Weird with the multi boot bc I've never had issues on my laptop. Always make sure windows is installed first and Linux second and you're usually good to go....
@@darsparx other distro's grub doesn't find it (regardless of the order I install) and with rEFInd I have to boot through the fedora grub. Sure I could troubleshoot it, but not worth my time for my use case.
@@BenKickert Weird....I really don't recall having that much issue in the past 10 years. Only when I needed to reinstall windows for whatever reason, but it was a simple few commands to unbreak it from a live cd...usually. Now i can't find it but I don't dual-boot much these past few years since windows just pisses me off that much XD
Thank you very much for this great overview of modern Fedora! I have been using Ubuntu with XFCE as my daily driver for the better part of a decade, it has been solid, but snaps are starting to wear on me, and the older repositories can be problematic, leading to using multiple ppas just to keep up... I have been using a jack/pulseaudio setup, and have been eyeing the simplicity of pipewire... Looks to be a good time to switch to the Fedora/Rhel side
Im a beliver now myself. i swapped one of my partitions out with fedora.. holy shit.. even gaming is amazing in the system.. ive had terrible luck with nobara so far.. sadly. but Fedora 36 has been quite good and i love gnome..
Fedora was my go-to as a long-time Windows user (recovering since early June) I love Fedora. It's receiving later features while still remaining stable. It's a very polished experience imo
I've been running Fedora for about 10 years now. I do occasionally distro hop away from it, but Fedora is just a nice clean, up to date distro, that just works for me, and I always seem to go back to it in the end. Fedora is really good at shipping cutting edge stuff (like Pipewire) and continually making it more and more stable. Really feels like Fedora is hitting its stride.
I’ll try Fedora. I have a spare box. I’ve run mint for years and I’ve been able to configure PPA to obtain the latest versions I need for my most used software. I’ve encountered this problem before, Mint has always recognised my hardware. Whether I stay with or keep running a distribution depends mainly on the initial trouble free recognition of hardware. I don’t have the time to trawl through dubious fix videos’ to get something dumb like the IDE sound working. If it’s a quick research and fix in say 30 minutes ok but if it is something fundamental like driver support and it becomes apparent that it’s necessary to like code my own driver, then whatever the distr’n it’s a non starter. This ain’t a criticism of Linux but any non IT educated user will ask the following basic and reasonable question. Why if say Mint recognises the stuff in my box, will other distr’ns not?
About Ubuntu´s theming: honestly every release they do I still watch a review just to answer "Does canonical still think orange and purple is a nice color combination after 12 years? Huh, indeed they do."
I used to love Slackware. This was the first Linux experience. It was 2001, PC hardware class. My partner wanted to build Linux machines. I was like cool. Times have changed, now I use Debian based Linux mostly. I really use any version I feel like using. Fedora is also great. Thanks for posting, I think I am going to spin up a Fedora machine tonight after I upgrade my server hard drive.
Thanks for sharing your journey. You wont be disappointed with Fedora. If you have questions around the Anaconda Installer, I have 2 videos regarding Workstation and "Everything" 😊
I have fedora in VM. I like it. Only problem is I do know the history of IBM. I think the same people who push the buttons at the top control fedora same as windows and mac(lets include android). All this has done is make me realize how important Arcolinux is. Arch still has the best safeguards against malicious code(AUR). It made me realize how important it is to understand how your system works. As a user only I like fedora. As an open source security advocate(EFF) I have to stay on Arch. Even so I know this is futile because if they want your system they have a backdoor in the CPU. Most linux users will not care about this. They will switch to Lindows and not know it just like they always have.
I switched from arch/sway and i got really impressed by the integrity oft fedora. Anyway i am missing the AUR and the arch experience. I will probably just use GNOME now because i love the workflow for laptops. I think i'm done with distro hopping
Fedora 9 was my first serious Linux distro, and I haven't used it seriously since then...but now I'm trying out Fedora 36 on a test-bed machine, and I have to tell you, I really like it. It's just got this clean, professional, look that makes you feel like you're really running something solid, and not some hacky thing put together by one guy in his basement (no offense to people who do that--they are talented programmers who make great Linux distros). Pop OS is the same way (solid and professional), and my current daily. I've stayed with it the last three years for that very reason--it's a very polished distro with a big team of professional programmers behind it, made from the ground up to come on consumer hardware out of the box. But it is just *slightly* , just a *tiny bit* less professional feeling than Fedora. I really can't put my finger on why. Maybe it's the colors, maybe it's the font choices. Maybe it's just that Fedora is an enterprise distro, where Pop OS is more for development and gaming. And there is certainly nothing wrong with either of those--I do plenty of both. Will I switch? I don't know. Probably not. But there is a small chance that may happen--if the overall user experience impresses me enough, and it isn't too technical.
I feel exactly what you mean. Fedora has this Enterprise "cold-ness" that feels like a real IBM/RH machine. It even gives me Windows vibes with the restart Update Screen. Definitely as serious as it gets 💪
Having tried feDora in the past I can say that there is a kind of professionalism and polish that is lacking in some of the more popular ones. That said, for myself I prefer a more generic distribution, like Gentoo, that gives me more choices in how to set it up.
if you are coming from windows, getting dash to dock + icons on the desktop makes it the GOAT desktop for me. i was a daily windows user for life, so pretty much since like windows 1995. i switched to fedora in june and plan to never go back to winblows =] the one critique i have is that some people don't understand they need a couple of plugins to give you that experience you need.
I love Fedora because it's nice to have a distro that doesn't require you to be a 24/7 distro maintainer just to use it. Fedora differs from other distros in that every change is very deliberate and done with care to ensure stability. It is an enterprise distro so that's to be expected.
@@ArniesTech Yup yup yup. It's built to almost the same standards so that they can pull the changes into RHEL (RedHat Enterprise Linux). I meant that Fedora is built by an enterprise company to very high quality standards. But I guess that what I said could be misinterpreted. Your channel is becoming really good by the way. I subscribed, Arnie!
The only problem i have with Fedora is that every now and then the sound in my browser will just stop working and it happens with every browser i've tried. It's easily fixed by just closing and reopening the browser but after a while it just gets really frustrating and i don't have this problem with any other distro.
I've tried many distros over the years, Ubuntu just never fit the PC experience I wanted. Can't really say it was bad, just not for me. I liked Manjaro, but ended up just settling into Mint/Cinnamon, mostly cause the software I like works, and I have a few clients that run it. But hey, to each their own!
I share the opinion that Fedora is the best Linux distribution nowadays. I've been a Linux user for 14 years and have tried most of the principal distros and change them frequently. What is important to me is how a distro performs on my average hardware (desktop and laptop) and what I do is basically scientific computing and some modest video editing and gaming. In the last months, Arch based distros have not worked well in my Lenovo laptop, neither Debian or even Linux Mint. Ubuntu gets the work done. I have been very satisfied with Pop! OS. But the difference with Fedora is how well things work, small memory usage with Gnome, about 60% of Pop! with equivalent configuration, and is notouriously faster! I don't know how they do it, but it works very, very well, despite lots of work installing libraries, copr, RPM fusion repo, etc. I don't know what will happen with the MESA issue if anything at all, but at the moment everything goes just fine with Fedora 37 Beta.
Fedora was VERY unstable for a long time and went through a long period of.updates breaking systems etc, mostly during the early days of making a very young and sketchy btrfs the default fs, using before anyone else etc. It got a bad rep during that period of time. But things have mostly settled down in the last 10 releases or so. And its pretty good these days. BUT, you have to remember the PRIMARY purpose of Fedora existing is as an EXPERIMENTAL test bed for adding new features to Red Hat Enterprise, so its always going to be an experimental distro and one of the first to make big changes and try new stuff before anyone else.
Its more experimental, however it's profissional experimental, they won't push something so early its too likely to break or be unusable, I think of fedora as a "beta" for red hat, a beta not alpha
Still using Ubuntu. I don't have a problem with snaps because I installed flatpak. I think most distro hoppers are really just looking for a new desktop environment and not new operating system. I have vanilla gnome, unity and kde installed Ubuntu and will switch between them when/if I get bored.
As a person who has used Linux as my primary desktop OS for 25 years, and not a server OS or as a hobby OS, I am very puzzled by the push to make Fedora popular. IMO, Fedora has been an OS that is primary for open source purists and not mainstream desktop users. Users have always had to jump through extra hoops just to install proprietary codecs and software on Fedora. Unfortunately, most of us need the ability to run some proprietary software on our desktops as part of our jobs or school work. Most of us also want the ability to run proprietary streaming services, watch purchased videos, or listen to purchased music on our desktops. Then there are the countless numbers of users who record videos on their iPhones or Android phones, that use proprietary codecs, who would also like to watch them on their desktops. Fedora hinders all of this. Then there are the issues that arise when Fedora pushes unfinished products on the community like BTRFS and Wayland... Why do RUclipsrs always seem to think that going to the extremes (like the Apple only, vanilla Android, or vanilla GNOME/GTK only "tech" enthusiasts) somehow ingratiates them within the overall tech community? Is it a views/money issue, since extremist are more likely to follow your videos?
Usually the one that comes with the spins. This time I'm using the KDE Spin. It's a bit different than the one that comes with the gnome version, but otherwise the same
I have been using Fedora 36 workstation for 3 months now and besides a little glitch 2 weeks ago i have been able to do so much more with stability including playing World of Warcraft with bottles on multiple screens without it crashing.
Debian Sid + KDE Plasma + AppImages = Works fine for me. Flatpaks is taking so much space. It took ~10 Gigs for 3 apps installed, so i quickly purged this packages (Not sure if it's because of me using Plasma not GNOME) And 1 time creating .desktop file for an application isn't something frusratingly annoying for me.
As you surely know, Flatpak is a system in a... system. They take more space especially for the first apps you download. I like Appimages, they also launch faster, but they have to improve or "standardize" the way they update themselves.
A lot of words and thoughs in this video match my own again. I am most notably an Arch Linux user because I have set up a ton of very personal customization with it on multiple computers - I like it for that. But I also run more than 1 thing and indeed Fedora is still a very important one, it works so perfect. Many of it's package versions closely matches Arch it's versions, but Fedora is quite the opposite when it comes to wanting you to customize things versus being very advanced and automated. It's clearly the latter. That difference is interesting with different aspects and different qualities.
Fedora is the distribution that I have always used, previously I used RedHat since version 4 colgate. My question would be how Ubuntu came to surpass Fedora, I don't see anything innovative about that distribution. But it's good that the use of fedora is growing again.
As someone that has used the original RH distro before, and I can confirm that Fedora isn't run by RH. It's true that Fedora is spnsored by RH/IBM and they get the bleeding edge development from RH, but its community driven like Alma. I think that it's becoming more popular because of the positive exposure and the money ties.
Sorry for the 3rd comment. openSUSE Tumbelweed already runs Gnome 43 while Fedora gets it on October 18. Just an Info for everyone who want the lates Gnome like me and is not happy with Fedora. I don't know any other Distro (Arch (based) maybe) that got the latest Gnome already just 2 Days after its release.
Some Linux software are making big improvements recently making it suck to be stuck with outdated Ubuntu packages. Particularly WINE, but the latest features are also big deals for software development tools. And then there's Snap messing up Firefox.
I've used Ubuntu for a couple of years and really used to handle it. But ever since they focused on Snaps the system got slower and slower. I'm looking elsewhere now and Fedora is one big player here. I tried Fedora back when it was version 25 and 26 and had some issues with graphical glitches. But I'm going to try Fedora 38 and see how it works.
I picked Fedora last year after the announcement of Windows 11. The runner-up was Pop!_OS. The reason Fedora won is Grub is easier to set up with multi-boot. Systemd-boot is not easy to set up dual booting. I still keep Windows 10 around, it saved me last year when I had to reinstall Fedora after a bungled update. The main reason I picked Fedora was Btrfs. I stayed as Fedora keeps the kernel current, taking only about a month between a branch and providing the new kernel. On a laptop I bought 18 months ago, kernel 5.9 did not support the WiFi, but kernel 5.12 did support the WiFi module. The last time I tried to use Linux full-time was 2004/2005. I distro hopped a lot. With Flatpak and Snap stores finding applications is almost too easy. Fedora bridges the gap between Arch and Debian, from what I can tell receiving more frequent package updates throughout the week than Pop!_OS (that I run in a VM). I almost moved to Mint this weekend but decided to stay on Fedora. Developers tend to say they support Linux but only have DEB packages. I believe this is due to the historical popularity of Ubuntu. I will stay with Fedora for the foreseeable future on my desktop (built Jan 2020) and laptop (bought Jan 2021).
Hi Matt good to hear you have had no issues for Fedora, I have been using liinux for may years can't say how long but my for install with linux was with floppy and I think it was red hat. I found over the years Fedora like most linux distros have there own issues and for me Fedora in the past would crash and I found it a bit unstable. I recently had another go found it stable running programs but had an issue with updates so I thought I have another go on two other computers could be an hardware but in time I had the same issue, so for now I will leave it and have another in the future as I have learnt linux is always improving itself. I do like Arch linux and will keep to that for now as if something brakes I know how to fix. All the best using Fedora hope it keeps working for you Matt.
Nice vid Matt, I personally think it's because it's the flavor of the month. I've noticed distros seem to gain traction when a few larger RUclips channels start to talk about them, then the smaller channels follow in suit to try and gain the views ( not knocking them, that's the RUclips norm ), then people start to believe these distros are superior and switch, I've noticed it's the way this niche works. Yes there are differences, and even I prefer certain ones, like anyone else, but I'm a firm believer that distro does not matter as much as people think.
The one unique aspect of Fedora is that it excites both newbies and enthusiast Linux desktop users. No other distro is able to do that. This will only grow stronger with the features coming in Fedora 38/39 which include DNF5 massive performance improvements, unfiltered Flathub, and additional preinstalled codecs. This isn't a flavor of the month, rather it is the start of a long term.
@@Adila01 if that's the case I might be coming back to Fedora. I used 36 and it was such a smooth and pleasant experience, though their KDE spin started getting buggy, and I'd recommend them but I went with another. Perhaps I might give it another try but with gnome, though this would be the 4th time haha, but I had trouble being content with vanilla gnome
Yeah, with Linux different distros are more or less about just setting up defaults, configuration as well as what software to include, and occasionally wallpapers and various theme stuff. Past that, they're basically all the same. Sure you do have systemD arguments and which package manager is the best, but in the end it's just going to be the same program running on your system as someone else's, just built with maybe different flags. So if you're on Void and I'm on Slackware, your FireFox will still be mostly the same, and all of the base software to get the system up and running will be for sure.
The only problem I have with Fedora is Anaconda... not very intuitive, buttons and messages in the wrong places, and needlessly scans secondary drives. And DNF could be a little faster.
Anaconda is used because of its kickstart. It is the most robust way of creating fully automated deployments and installs of Linux in the world. No one in the enterprise space installs Linux by hand using menus. Everyone creates automated installations.
I used KDE Fedora for 3 years, and while I love Fedora the KDE implementation was very poor and buggy, which was largely not Fedora's fault in theory but due to their primary DE being Gnome the lack of attention on KDE felt very second class. I've since switched to OpenSUSE tumbleweed w/ KDE and have been extremely happy with it, with many of the bugs that were theoretically KDEs fault properly addressed. I'm so far very happy with OpenSUSE
another very anoying thing about firefox as a snap is that you have to close to update it. you end up having message pop up telling you about multiple days until you close firefox, manually update for a minute then reopen it. other distros you just push update then sooner or later firefox says it needs to restart and after resaterting your tabs are back.
I moved to Fedora from Pop!_OS because I wanted a distro with KDE but that didn't force snaps down my throat like Ubuntu does. Fedora is rock solid and stable. My games (PCSX2 and Steam) run without issue, my computer is stable. Everything is perfect. I hope Fedora devs keep up the great work into the future cause I don't think I'll move away from Fedora at all.
@@AlexandruDoarme well Installing KDE on a distro that has GNOME by default gives me issues. I ended up going to Fedora Workstation anyway though. I kinda like GNOME 43. It's nice
Because it's the latest meme distro. Eventually the meme will be something else. Regarding youtubers and Ubuntu the most recent one that comes to mind is TFL but he's gone now (F).
I'm using Fedora 40 tonight, the KDE spin to be specific. I find that I prefer Plasma 6 over gnome due to how much more efficient customization is with it.
My only complaints about Fedora are Anaconda is stale and unintuitive and DNF is slow. It’s time to get a new installer, and one that makes it easier to add third party repos during install. And why isn’t DNF setup out of the box to use parallel downloads and fastest mirror? I know these things are easily fixed for someone who understands them, but for newbs coming from Windows or Mac, it will be a frustrating experience.
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the primeagen and Tj both use Ubuntu, as they only care for Neovim and writing software and hopping Distro is scary as you need to learn new stuff, and the system they use work well enough that they can get stuff done as they only install I3 and awesome to fix Ubuntu(or pop_os)
edit: i use Arch btw
FYI: Fedora is not run by RedHat. Its run by a Community 100%. It is backed and financed by RH/IBM because they use Fedora as their playground to test things upstream. Just Like OpenSUSE for example is a Community project backed by the real thing SuSE GmbH.
Ubuntus main focus is enterprise where fancy innovation comes second after rock solid stability. Just like in RHEL and SLE.
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Well said.
That's not true, Arnie. Almost 100% of the Fedora developers work for RedHat.
@@BenderdickCumbersnatch Absolute fact. Ubuntu also claims to be a community distro, but Canonicals devs have the keys to the repositories, and dictate the direction of the project. Fedora absolutely proceeds at the pleasure of Red Hat developers.
I mean….this is technically true, but Red Hat employees make up the majority of the contributions and I’m pretty sure most of the leading council are Red Hat people.
There isn’t a path for an outsider to “work their way up” and be on the community council.
Personally I don’t have a huge problem with this setup. The project has direction and leadership, but it is independent enough that they do interesting things outside of the direction Red Hat is going. Often Fedora stuff is mainlined into Red Hat, but not always.
The Red Hat-Fedora relationship is pretty similar to the Canonical-Ubuntu relationship….the difference is that because desktop is an actual focus for the company, it isn’t a zombie entity just coasting on momentum from 10 years ago.
> Just like in RHEL and SLE
now now,
its funny to compare "ROCK SOLID STABILITY", specifically like RHEL/SLE to *buntu,
likely just mistyped DEBIAN, right? right?
Fedora and Arch are very popular among Linux youtubers because they both are bleeding edge in terms of features and updates and youtubers need that to produce content.
Hahaha😂
@@mirniyazulhaque3583 Does somebody actually make videos on debian stable.
@@Ghfvhvfg yes
You need a mix of stable and bleeding edge to be able to support newer hardware. Some companies do run heavy workloads, and they require up to date hardware to execute those tasks.
That perfectly fits what I've seen. I've also seen that their userbase is also like those into 3d printing. Get it, and the hobby entails just making it work and moding it, but never actually using it for anything productive.
Fedora using Gnome and Wayland on my Minisforum HX-90 is the best experience I've had with Linux. After years of distro hopping it's a no brianer. Good video Matt!
Same here, i totally love it ✨
People complaining about Matt talking too much about Fedora.
Matt: Okay, let me talk about Fedora why I am talking too much about Fedora...
Just golden. :D
Switched to Fedora from Arch a few months ago. Partially influenced by your praise and switch to it. (Was getting tired of small breakages on Arch.) Loving it!
Thanks for sharing your journey, James. 💪😊
@@ArniesTech Oh hey, cool to see Arnie here. Love your channel. Just found out about it (recently, few days ago) and subbed.
@@PoeLemic Thank you a lot. And yeah, I am a loyal Fan of Matt 😁
Fedora and Garuda are by far my favorite distro's. Both work well with very few issues.
Fedora is gaining on Ubuntu quickly. I believe Fedora's continued support to Open Source makes the difference and Ubuntu is increasingly incorporating and working with closed source companies. No bueno. What is surprising is that Fedora's stability has continued since about 19-20 till now and I believe it will continue. Proving that working with large companies can pay off without selling out. Excellent video Matt! BTW, fedora on Mac M1 is going to be great. It flies!
I like arch, but it breaks a little too often for my liking. Sometimes it is only one program and other times its grub (very recent) or something system critical. Either way, Fedora is looking appealing. I might revisit it soon.
Please list what broke on Arch Linux for you.
@@theplaymakerno1 i dont think there are enough characters for a comment
Little later but my Arch never broke itself and my installation is almost 2 years old
i feel you on the matter of grub. i switched back to fedora after attempting to install grub numerous times. despite having installed arch successfully in the past i just could not get grub to boot.
@@Dviih jep nerver broke arch to use time shift wen you expirment
As a 3D artist, I love that Fedora is compatible with most of the commercial CG software (that is made for Linux, of course) and is more suitable for home use than something like CentOS (or Rocky Linux / AlmaLinux now)
Yepp. I also like to Stick to the roots and use the real thing 💪
Just curious, which programs are you referring to? I would imagine they are also available on Ubuntu? But yes, it's common for professional software to officially support Red-Hat/Fedora/OpenSuse, and then it's up to maintainers to port it to the others. I encountered this back in the day with DaVinci Resolve.
@@drownthepoor Autodesk Maya and Mudbox, RenderMan are what I could think of, there's probably more though. They come as RPM packages. I know you could convert them but this will result in dependency issues and not really a good practice IMO
@@AstrayCG I have gotten Maya working on Ubuntu, but I certainly wouldn't recommend going through all that! As you said, Fedora is the most compatible out of the box
Do you use Nvidia GPU? Does it play well with Fedora?
I really like Fedora, but I have a problem with the software. Almost all of the companies and software developers exclusively support Ubuntu stable. This is a huge deal. I know that some of the software is unofficially ported to other distros, but this is not the same as getting an official package from the developers. I hope that we will solve this issue with flatpaks or something similar in the future. We will have way more freedom if there will be one unified package format.
There will never be one unified package format, but that's not actually the issue anyway. The existing packaging systems are great for the needs of the distro/os and those most common applications that everyone expects to be part of a distro. Using something like flatpak or snap for something like firefox is idiotic. The trouble comes in with commercial applications as well as applications that are not part of the shipping repositories. A free distro isn't going to be including many non-free applications, and even when they do they may require extra steps to enable. So companies wind up needing to figure something out, often this has been in the form of a static package for each supported distro, or even hosting 3rd party repos that the user needs to then add. Open source software of more niche interest often gets abandoned, infrequently updated, or insufficiently tested leading to breakage. So the solution here is a universal binary package like flatpak. But it would always be that in addition to the core packaging system.
@@gljames24 He's talking specifically about commercial software. He's right that most of them don't have flatpak support. Distrobox is probably a reasonable option, though in many ways that's not much different than just installing ubuntu.
why dont you manually compile free software not on repos at the end of the day a binary is still a binary to make the pre compiled binary on your repos and third party repos someone somewhere still had to compile them manually just cut out the middle man
As a former user of (and huge fan of) OS/2, I can tell you: IBM and Microsoft don't get along. Microsoft screwed IBM over with Windows 95, and they still co-hold some patents for pieces of OS/2 that they probably should have released before Windows 95 came out. OS/2 was supposed to be the default operating system shipped on PCs.
I tried fedora KDE on my desktop (modern intel cpu and AMD graphics card) and it didn’t work well for me. I don’t remember the details, but I ended up switching to mint and switched it to KDE and I’ve really enjoyed it. I’m willing to give it another try one day because I do like some things about fedora a lot.
If you can live with stock gnome it's a solid distro. Has been for me at least
@@233kosta since writing this comment, I’ve done my first distro hop in years to opensuse. It’s the best distro for plasma IMO
@@burgerchild Noice! Might give that a go at some point
I started with Redhat 5, and used it through version 9. After that, the Fedora Core project started, but it was pretty terrible in those early days. I hopped around a bit back then until Ubuntu came out. That lasted a long time until they started doing what you're talking about here, and Pop became my main around that time. A few years ago I switched to Fedora on a whim, just because I was getting fed up with the underlying Ubuntu on Pop. I haven't looked back at this point and I hope the only reason to stop using Fedora is either death or because I end up making a dream distro based on Fedora for home users. That's an entirely different post though. Good video, keep it up.
Just settled on Fedora today. I wanted something more stable than Arch for a production environment, and I couldn't get comfortable on any of the Ubuntu derivatives. Packages were too old, full kernel version behind etc. Honestly glad to have a distro that has reasonably recent software, a KDE flavor, and isn't going to break on me quite as easily.
Fedora is that distro that is in the perfect middle of stability and update packages. But if you add to that the nix package manager and bedrock linux it becomes AWESOME
My two cents: Arch simply gives me too much power. I always break Arch (on Desktop). Fedora keeps me just a few steps away from "total control" which tremendously helps me not to break system packages as I can do more easily with Arch. I love Arch, don't get me wrong. Sometimes I just lose control because I have too much of it if that makes any sense.
Gaming is the primary driver of growth in Linux desktop adoption right now. For AMD graphics users, Fedora offers an install-and-go experience and the pace of updates maximizes the chance that new games will be playable at launch. It also happens to be extremely stable, which is a must for a new user just looking to escape Windows. I figure it's about that simple.
Which you recommend for Windows user who just starting to learn the hoops through Linux? Gnome or KDE?
@@davidhujan86 KDE will feel more familiar to a Windows user. I personally prefer Gnome after getting used to it, but just go with KDE if you're looking to minimize your learning curve.
I remember when I was first introduced to Linux the message was Canonical good Red hat bad. I guess times have changed
Forget about what others say. You do you. Keep uploading content you’re excited and proud about!
Thats the supportive Community I wish to build one day. 🙏
@@ArniesTech You'll get there, and you've already started really awesome. I was quite surprised at your good content. I'm a Linux Noob, but I'm trying to learn from good Teachers.
@@PoeLemic thank you very much for this Feedback 💪🙏
You’re absolutely right about fedora. It’s a great (half) rolling release and yet very stable. That being said, I also like Tumbleweed. I have a hard time choosing between the two distros.
OpenSUSE never gets any love 🤷♂️
Fedora and openSUSE are amazing.
Indeed, Fedora is top tier. They really care about stability, and it never feels like I'm using an old distribution. You always get kernel updates and bug fixes, and it is just rock solid overall. My only gripe is the slowness of the DNF package manager, and I've heard rumors that even that will be improved. It cannot be understated how nice Fedora is. I think my favorite part is how whatever desktop you choose seems to be the best version of that desktop. If you choose Gnome, it's stock with good defaults. Same with Plasma. Just stays out of your way and leaves you with a good, clean slate for your desktop needs.
dnf seems to do a lot more housekeeping in the background, I assume that's where the speed goes. I'll take it though, it's never broken on me (unlike apt for example)
@gius db Yeh, I haven't really done much of a comparison, just going off my laptop (nvme). To be completely honest, I hadn't noticed that much of a speed difference between dnf and apt - certainly not enough to bother me. Maybe that's why.
Over the years of using Linux, I now get to a point where the UI should be as it always had been. I think, that is the same with XFCEs or Debians popularity. Few changes over years. In the other side Snap is not that big problem for costum users: nearly 90% of my costumers and friends with Ubuntu uses Chrome or Chromium. Some wants MS Edge. Mozilla Firefox gets a part of history...
Absolutely true. Most users take convenience over politics/ethics. Which there is nothing wrong with. 💪
@@ArniesTech People putting convenience first is part of the reason the world and societies are in such a terrible situation now. Those people are not only making a choice for themselves but they drag others down with them so I don't think it is honest to claim there is nothing wrong with people putting convenience first.
@@folksurvival I agree, true advancement only comes with a lot of hard work and dedication. Let things go and they decline. Let things go for a long time and you end up with systemic issues that can topple empires. It doesn't matter is we're talking about Ubuntu's decline or IRL nations, the easy way out instead of addressing the real issues eventually comes back to haunt you.
I switched to Fedora about 6 months ago after getting a laptop which needed a recent kernel for amdpgu driver support. Sure AMD could have been a little faster with driver support in the first place, but to this day Ubuntu still doesn't properly support my hardware while Fedora is solid, particularly with Pipewire and Wayland support. Definitely the best desktop experience for recent hardware.
I tried Fedora on my Dell desktop, I love it, one of the painless setup ever.
Fedora is great, stable, been around a long time, although their commitment to open source sometimes hurts it's usability
I couldn't agree more.
Fedora strikes an amazing balance between stability and being really up to date.
Exactly. I guess its Fedoras main selling point 💪
I've been using Fedora for about 5 months now. Tried many others but have always had issues with them (sound, bluetooth, etc) but for me and my machine Fedora just ran with no hiccups....
Thanks for sharing your experience 💪
I think a lot of the progress in distros like ubuntu has actually just been progress in the gnome project and fedora ships base gnome. Hats off to pop os for starting down their own path
Arrived at Fedora 28 and have never looked back. OpenBSD, Slackware and Debian will always have a special place, but Fedora have managed to combine all the best bits and pieces in a very solid distribution showcasing consistency, functionality, compability, speed and feel.
Also another reason for Fedora getting popular is because of the Nobora project as well since it is based off of it for gamers. For those who want to switch distros that is. I am planning on using Nobora project since I am a gamer after all it seems like this is the best option for me.
Same here. Tried several other distros and Nobara was the most stable and easiest for me as a gamer to switch to.
For gaming for sure
I swapped to Nobara about 4 months ago. Love it.
It works, it's progressive, backed by Red Hat. It's also an up to date and yet point release distro. Every half year there's a point release, not an LTS every two years with interim versions. It doesn't feel like you're running a desktop on top of a server.
I think there's a lot to say about a Linux distro that can just work.
I just wish Red Hat would get the Nvidia driver working with Secure Boot but that's wishful thinking.
I just switched to Fedora 38 desktop 4 days ago, I have been using Ubuntu for 6 months after 20yrs window user. I love linux but have recently seen the underbelly of Ubuntu and Fedora does what i need and so much more, it is fantastic.
Disclaimer: despite the title, this video is more about Ubuntu/Canonical than Fedora/RedHat; but I really enjoy Matt's videos, especially when I (partially) disagree with him.
I have always treated my personal laptop as a test bench. It is always multi-boot with a primary linux partition, a windows partition (just in case) and usually 1 or 2 bare metal installs that I am testing out (virtual machines never give the full picture). I really want to like Fedora, but I have never been able to get it to play nice in a multi-boot setting. I can get it working, but always feels hacky which drives me nuts. Plus, the current Cinnamon spin isn't running the most up to date version and that drives me nuts. I get that Fedora is midway between a rolling release and a point release, but I have Mint and EndeavourOS both running 5.4 and hat that Fedora is still on 5.2.
A VM can be useful just to quickly check a distro but, as you said, it doesn't give the full picture. I use an external SSD with an USB 3 adapter to fully test a distro. In fact, my daily driver now is on an external SSD.
I didn't see any speed difference with an internal drive.
Weird with the multi boot bc I've never had issues on my laptop. Always make sure windows is installed first and Linux second and you're usually good to go....
@@darsparx other distro's grub doesn't find it (regardless of the order I install) and with rEFInd I have to boot through the fedora grub. Sure I could troubleshoot it, but not worth my time for my use case.
@@BenKickert Weird....I really don't recall having that much issue in the past 10 years. Only when I needed to reinstall windows for whatever reason, but it was a simple few commands to unbreak it from a live cd...usually. Now i can't find it but I don't dual-boot much these past few years since windows just pisses me off that much XD
Thank you very much for this great overview of modern Fedora! I have been using Ubuntu with XFCE as my daily driver for the better part of a decade, it has been solid, but snaps are starting to wear on me, and the older repositories can be problematic, leading to using multiple ppas just to keep up... I have been using a jack/pulseaudio setup, and have been eyeing the simplicity of pipewire... Looks to be a good time to switch to the Fedora/Rhel side
Im a beliver now myself. i swapped one of my partitions out with fedora.. holy shit.. even gaming is amazing in the system..
ive had terrible luck with nobara so far.. sadly. but Fedora 36 has been quite good and i love gnome..
I have been using it for over a year now and it's been ridiculously stable.
I went from windows only straight to fedora, so good. Will never use windows again.
Fedora was my go-to as a long-time Windows user (recovering since early June)
I love Fedora. It's receiving later features while still remaining stable. It's a very polished experience imo
I've been running Fedora for about 10 years now. I do occasionally distro hop away from it, but Fedora is just a nice clean, up to date distro, that just works for me, and I always seem to go back to it in the end. Fedora is really good at shipping cutting edge stuff (like Pipewire) and continually making it more and more stable. Really feels like Fedora is hitting its stride.
Fedora, you know eol is coming when you think to your self 'dang, everything running so smooth' ...
It really worked for me after I look and try some tutorials, yours is the one that worked. Owe you a lot.
I’ll try Fedora. I have a spare box. I’ve run mint for years and I’ve been able to configure PPA to obtain the latest versions I need for my most used software. I’ve encountered this problem before, Mint has always recognised my hardware. Whether I stay with or keep running a distribution depends mainly on the initial trouble free recognition of hardware. I don’t have the time to trawl through dubious fix videos’ to get something dumb like the IDE sound working. If it’s a quick research and fix in say 30 minutes ok but if it is something fundamental like driver support and it becomes apparent that it’s necessary to like code my own driver, then whatever the distr’n it’s a non starter. This ain’t a criticism of Linux but any non IT educated user will ask the following basic and reasonable question. Why if say Mint recognises the stuff in my box, will other distr’ns not?
About Ubuntu´s theming: honestly every release they do I still watch a review just to answer "Does canonical still think orange and purple is a nice color combination after 12 years? Huh, indeed they do."
I used to love Slackware. This was the first Linux experience. It was 2001, PC hardware class. My partner wanted to build Linux machines. I was like cool. Times have changed, now I use Debian based Linux mostly. I really use any version I feel like using. Fedora is also great. Thanks for posting, I think I am going to spin up a Fedora machine tonight after I upgrade my server hard drive.
Thanks for sharing your journey. You wont be disappointed with Fedora. If you have questions around the Anaconda Installer, I have 2 videos regarding Workstation and "Everything" 😊
After 4 years using Arch, I switched to Fedora, about some weeks by now, so so happy with it ! Incredible dist
I have fedora in VM. I like it. Only problem is I do know the history of IBM. I think the same people who push the buttons at the top control fedora same as windows and mac(lets include android). All this has done is make me realize how important Arcolinux is. Arch still has the best safeguards against malicious code(AUR). It made me realize how important it is to understand how your system works. As a user only I like fedora. As an open source security advocate(EFF) I have to stay on Arch. Even so I know this is futile because if they want your system they have a backdoor in the CPU. Most linux users will not care about this. They will switch to Lindows and not know it just like they always have.
This is exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks.
Same here. For a long time I refused to use it but damn when Intried 36 Workstation I became a believer. And a GNOME fanboy along the way 💪😁
I switched from arch/sway and i got really impressed by the integrity oft fedora. Anyway i am missing the AUR and the arch experience. I will probably just use GNOME now because i love the workflow for laptops. I think i'm done with distro hopping
You can use distrobox to use arch software.
Did you go with the KDE Plasma Spin? It's pretty wonderful, I love it. Super stable and efficient.
I did, but I installed i3 on it. I like having Plasma as a back up. I think if I reinstall, I'll just install the i3 spin
Fedora 9 was my first serious Linux distro, and I haven't used it seriously since then...but now I'm trying out Fedora 36 on a test-bed machine, and I have to tell you, I really like it. It's just got this clean, professional, look that makes you feel like you're really running something solid, and not some hacky thing put together by one guy in his basement (no offense to people who do that--they are talented programmers who make great Linux distros). Pop OS is the same way (solid and professional), and my current daily. I've stayed with it the last three years for that very reason--it's a very polished distro with a big team of professional programmers behind it, made from the ground up to come on consumer hardware out of the box. But it is just *slightly* , just a *tiny bit* less professional feeling than Fedora.
I really can't put my finger on why. Maybe it's the colors, maybe it's the font choices. Maybe it's just that Fedora is an enterprise distro, where Pop OS is more for development and gaming. And there is certainly nothing wrong with either of those--I do plenty of both.
Will I switch? I don't know. Probably not. But there is a small chance that may happen--if the overall user experience impresses me enough, and it isn't too technical.
I feel exactly what you mean. Fedora has this Enterprise "cold-ness" that feels like a real IBM/RH machine. It even gives me Windows vibes with the restart Update Screen. Definitely as serious as it gets 💪
Having tried feDora in the past I can say that there is a kind of professionalism and polish that is lacking in some of the more popular ones. That said, for myself I prefer a more generic distribution, like Gentoo, that gives me more choices in how to set it up.
Fedora gives you every choice to set it up. The Fedora Everything ISO lets you build your own desktop environment/window manager/login manager combos.
if you are coming from windows, getting dash to dock + icons on the desktop makes it the GOAT desktop for me. i was a daily windows user for life, so pretty much since like windows 1995.
i switched to fedora in june and plan to never go back to winblows =]
the one critique i have is that some people don't understand they need a couple of plugins to give you that experience you need.
I love Fedora because it's nice to have a distro that doesn't require you to be a 24/7 distro maintainer just to use it.
Fedora differs from other distros in that every change is very deliberate and done with care to ensure stability. It is an enterprise distro so that's to be expected.
At least its the upstream testing ground for real Enterprise (RHEL) 😊
@@ArniesTech Yup yup yup. It's built to almost the same standards so that they can pull the changes into RHEL (RedHat Enterprise Linux).
I meant that Fedora is built by an enterprise company to very high quality standards. But I guess that what I said could be misinterpreted.
Your channel is becoming really good by the way. I subscribed, Arnie!
@@MyAmazingUsername Almost 100% of Fedora's main developers work for RedHat.
Corporate backing, which leads to up to date packages, refined package management, phenomenal stability and great support.
The only problem i have with Fedora is that every now and then the sound in my browser will just stop working and it happens with every browser i've tried. It's easily fixed by just closing and reopening the browser but after a while it just gets really frustrating and i don't have this problem with any other distro.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Something the devs should work on 💪
Moved to Fedora a few weeks ago, besides more niche software most packages I want to use are there and doesn't get in the way of day to day usage
I've tried many distros over the years, Ubuntu just never fit the PC experience I wanted. Can't really say it was bad, just not for me. I liked Manjaro, but ended up just settling into Mint/Cinnamon, mostly cause the software I like works, and I have a few clients that run it. But hey, to each their own!
I share the opinion that Fedora is the best Linux distribution nowadays. I've been a Linux user for 14 years and have tried most of the principal distros and change them frequently. What is important to me is how a distro performs on my average hardware (desktop and laptop) and what I do is basically scientific computing and some modest video editing and gaming. In the last months, Arch based distros have not worked well in my Lenovo laptop, neither Debian or even Linux Mint. Ubuntu gets the work done. I have been very satisfied with Pop! OS. But the difference with Fedora is how well things work, small memory usage with Gnome, about 60% of Pop! with equivalent configuration, and is notouriously faster! I don't know how they do it, but it works very, very well, despite lots of work installing libraries, copr, RPM fusion repo, etc. I don't know what will happen with the MESA issue if anything at all, but at the moment everything goes just fine with Fedora 37 Beta.
Very good content. Keep up the good work.
Fedora was VERY unstable for a long time and went through a long period of.updates breaking systems etc, mostly during the early days of making a very young and sketchy btrfs the default fs, using before anyone else etc. It got a bad rep during that period of time. But things have mostly settled down in the last 10 releases or so. And its pretty good these days. BUT, you have to remember the PRIMARY purpose of Fedora existing is as an EXPERIMENTAL test bed for adding new features to Red Hat Enterprise, so its always going to be an experimental distro and one of the first to make big changes and try new stuff before anyone else.
Its more experimental, however it's profissional experimental, they won't push something so early its too likely to break or be unusable, I think of fedora as a "beta" for red hat, a beta not alpha
True words. A testing ground for the real thing RHEL. 🙏
I love Fedora because it pleases just about any kind of user. I wish RPM Fusion were a toggle on install tho.
Buddha said "Overcome suffering by following the _'middle path'_ "
He abandoned his wife and children.
Still using Ubuntu. I don't have a problem with snaps because I installed flatpak. I think most distro hoppers are really just looking for a new desktop environment and not new operating system. I have vanilla gnome, unity and kde installed Ubuntu and will switch between them when/if I get bored.
As a person who has used Linux as my primary desktop OS for 25 years, and not a server OS or as a hobby OS, I am very puzzled by the push to make Fedora popular. IMO, Fedora has been an OS that is primary for open source purists and not mainstream desktop users. Users have always had to jump through extra hoops just to install proprietary codecs and software on Fedora. Unfortunately, most of us need the ability to run some proprietary software on our desktops as part of our jobs or school work. Most of us also want the ability to run proprietary streaming services, watch purchased videos, or listen to purchased music on our desktops. Then there are the countless numbers of users who record videos on their iPhones or Android phones, that use proprietary codecs, who would also like to watch them on their desktops. Fedora hinders all of this. Then there are the issues that arise when Fedora pushes unfinished products on the community like BTRFS and Wayland...
Why do RUclipsrs always seem to think that going to the extremes (like the Apple only, vanilla Android, or vanilla GNOME/GTK only "tech" enthusiasts) somehow ingratiates them within the overall tech community? Is it a views/money issue, since extremist are more likely to follow your videos?
Doesn't Nobara solve this issue?
The reason I'm still on Ubuntu is dual boot. Canonical works with Microsoft and that's why it works so well in dual boot with secure boot activated.
i tried fedora on my old laptop, touchpad was a disaster
Matt - When you install Fedora, are you using the Workstation version or the Server to basically build your own (like Arch)
Usually the one that comes with the spins. This time I'm using the KDE Spin. It's a bit different than the one that comes with the gnome version, but otherwise the same
I have been using Fedora 36 workstation for 3 months now and besides a little glitch 2 weeks ago i have been able to do so much more with stability including playing World of Warcraft with bottles on multiple screens without it crashing.
Debian Sid + KDE Plasma + AppImages = Works fine for me.
Flatpaks is taking so much space. It took ~10 Gigs for 3 apps installed, so i quickly purged this packages (Not sure if it's because of me using Plasma not GNOME)
And 1 time creating .desktop file for an application isn't something frusratingly annoying for me.
As you surely know, Flatpak is a system in a... system. They take more space especially for the first apps you download.
I like Appimages, they also launch faster, but they have to improve or "standardize" the way they update themselves.
A lot of words and thoughs in this video match my own again.
I am most notably an Arch Linux user because I have set up a ton of very personal customization with it on multiple computers - I like it for that.
But I also run more than 1 thing and indeed Fedora is still a very important one, it works so perfect.
Many of it's package versions closely matches Arch it's versions, but Fedora is quite the opposite when it comes to wanting you to customize things versus being very advanced and automated. It's clearly the latter. That difference is interesting with different aspects and different qualities.
Fedora is the distribution that I have always used, previously I used RedHat since version 4 colgate. My question would be how Ubuntu came to surpass Fedora, I don't see anything innovative about that distribution. But it's good that the use of fedora is growing again.
As someone that has used the original RH distro before, and I can confirm that Fedora isn't run by RH. It's true that Fedora is spnsored by RH/IBM and they get the bleeding edge development from RH, but its community driven like Alma. I think that it's becoming more popular because of the positive exposure and the money ties.
Sorry for the 3rd comment.
openSUSE Tumbelweed already runs Gnome 43 while Fedora gets it on October 18.
Just an Info for everyone who want the lates Gnome like me and is not happy with Fedora.
I don't know any other Distro (Arch (based) maybe) that got the latest Gnome already just 2 Days after its release.
Some Linux software are making big improvements recently making it suck to be stuck with outdated Ubuntu packages. Particularly WINE, but the latest features are also big deals for software development tools. And then there's Snap messing up Firefox.
As far as I can tell Fedora is a good distro, so why anyone would question your staying power with it I don't know.
I've used Ubuntu for a couple of years and really used to handle it.
But ever since they focused on Snaps the system got slower and slower.
I'm looking elsewhere now and Fedora is one big player here.
I tried Fedora back when it was version 25 and 26 and had some issues with graphical glitches.
But I'm going to try Fedora 38 and see how it works.
I picked Fedora last year after the announcement of Windows 11. The runner-up was Pop!_OS. The reason Fedora won is Grub is easier to set up with multi-boot. Systemd-boot is not easy to set up dual booting. I still keep Windows 10 around, it saved me last year when I had to reinstall Fedora after a bungled update. The main reason I picked Fedora was Btrfs. I stayed as Fedora keeps the kernel current, taking only about a month between a branch and providing the new kernel. On a laptop I bought 18 months ago, kernel 5.9 did not support the WiFi, but kernel 5.12 did support the WiFi module. The last time I tried to use Linux full-time was 2004/2005. I distro hopped a lot. With Flatpak and Snap stores finding applications is almost too easy. Fedora bridges the gap between Arch and Debian, from what I can tell receiving more frequent package updates throughout the week than Pop!_OS (that I run in a VM). I almost moved to Mint this weekend but decided to stay on Fedora. Developers tend to say they support Linux but only have DEB packages. I believe this is due to the historical popularity of Ubuntu. I will stay with Fedora for the foreseeable future on my desktop (built Jan 2020) and laptop (bought Jan 2021).
Hi Matt good to hear you have had no issues for Fedora, I have been using liinux for may years can't say how long but my for install with linux was with floppy and I think it was red hat. I found over the years Fedora like most linux distros have there own issues and for me Fedora in the past would crash and I found it a bit unstable. I recently had another go found it stable running programs but had an issue with updates so I thought I have another go on two other computers could be an hardware but in time I had the same issue, so for now I will leave it and have another in the future as I have learnt linux is always improving itself. I do like Arch linux and will keep to that for now as if something brakes I know how to fix. All the best using Fedora hope it keeps working for you Matt.
Nice vid Matt, I personally think it's because it's the flavor of the month. I've noticed distros seem to gain traction when a few larger RUclips channels start to talk about them, then the smaller channels follow in suit to try and gain the views ( not knocking them, that's the RUclips norm ), then people start to believe these distros are superior and switch, I've noticed it's the way this niche works. Yes there are differences, and even I prefer certain ones, like anyone else, but I'm a firm believer that distro does not matter as much as people think.
The one unique aspect of Fedora is that it excites both newbies and enthusiast Linux desktop users. No other distro is able to do that. This will only grow stronger with the features coming in Fedora 38/39 which include DNF5 massive performance improvements, unfiltered Flathub, and additional preinstalled codecs. This isn't a flavor of the month, rather it is the start of a long term.
@@Adila01 if that's the case I might be coming back to Fedora. I used 36 and it was such a smooth and pleasant experience, though their KDE spin started getting buggy, and I'd recommend them but I went with another. Perhaps I might give it another try but with gnome, though this would be the 4th time haha, but I had trouble being content with vanilla gnome
Yeah, with Linux different distros are more or less about just setting up defaults, configuration as well as what software to include, and occasionally wallpapers and various theme stuff. Past that, they're basically all the same. Sure you do have systemD arguments and which package manager is the best, but in the end it's just going to be the same program running on your system as someone else's, just built with maybe different flags. So if you're on Void and I'm on Slackware, your FireFox will still be mostly the same, and all of the base software to get the system up and running will be for sure.
I switched to fedora after the grub fiasco. I'm happy.
The only problem I have with Fedora is Anaconda... not very intuitive, buttons and messages in the wrong places, and needlessly scans secondary drives. And DNF could be a little faster.
I think they are working on DNF5 and it will be much faster :D
Red Hat is working on both your issues. DNF5 is coming which will be far faster. Moreover, a new installer is coming as well.
Anaconda is used because of its kickstart. It is the most robust way of creating fully automated deployments and installs of Linux in the world. No one in the enterprise space installs Linux by hand using menus. Everyone creates automated installations.
I used KDE Fedora for 3 years, and while I love Fedora the KDE implementation was very poor and buggy, which was largely not Fedora's fault in theory but due to their primary DE being Gnome the lack of attention on KDE felt very second class. I've since switched to OpenSUSE tumbleweed w/ KDE and have been extremely happy with it, with many of the bugs that were theoretically KDEs fault properly addressed. I'm so far very happy with OpenSUSE
Stability is most important, when you are busy and you need to get things done. The Crew at Fedora seems to take this Distro seriously.
It's red hat, they are owned by IBM and have a professional Linux distro for companies and stuff, they are all pros
Gnome default is now Wayland instead of Xorg....I like that...added Wayfire.
The first thing i did on Ubuntu was uninstalling Firefox Snap and installing Firefox Flatpak.
Fedora is fantastic!
Yea and Ubuntu is fantastic!
Thank you so much you really help me :)
another very anoying thing about firefox as a snap is that you have to close to update it. you end up having message pop up telling you about multiple days until you close firefox, manually update for a minute then reopen it. other distros you just push update then sooner or later firefox says it needs to restart and after resaterting your tabs are back.
Fedora was my second distribution I used since I was a newbe, still I am. But Fedora always rocks!
i love Fedora. It fast became one of my favourites a few years back
I moved to Fedora from Pop!_OS because I wanted a distro with KDE but that didn't force snaps down my throat like Ubuntu does.
Fedora is rock solid and stable. My games (PCSX2 and Steam) run without issue, my computer is stable. Everything is perfect. I hope Fedora devs keep up the great work into the future cause I don't think I'll move away from Fedora at all.
Snap's are disabled in Pop!_OS
@@AlexandruDoarme well Installing KDE on a distro that has GNOME by default gives me issues.
I ended up going to Fedora Workstation anyway though. I kinda like GNOME 43. It's nice
Because it's the latest meme distro. Eventually the meme will be something else.
Regarding youtubers and Ubuntu the most recent one that comes to mind is TFL but he's gone now (F).
Very nice video, TNX.
I'm using Fedora 40 tonight, the KDE spin to be specific. I find that I prefer Plasma 6 over gnome due to how much more efficient customization is with it.
I like Fedora because it just works! But i went to Ultramarine because it just looks better and comes with the restricted repos installed by default.
Fedora is in my top 5 all time favorite distros.
My only complaints about Fedora are Anaconda is stale and unintuitive and DNF is slow. It’s time to get a new installer, and one that makes it easier to add third party repos during install. And why isn’t DNF setup out of the box to use parallel downloads and fastest mirror? I know these things are easily fixed for someone who understands them, but for newbs coming from Windows or Mac, it will be a frustrating experience.