When Love says, “I’m doing my best,” Blame says, “Your best isn’t good enough.” Forgiveness allows us to say, “We do the best we can until we know better; and when we know better we do better.”
I like how “The Four Agreements” states that doing our best means that each day can be different. For example, If you are not feeling well or sad your best for that day will be different than on a day when you are exuberant about life. It also depends on your state of consciousness, or mind and emotions.
The "Doing Your Best" disagreement is really just about semantics. No, of course people don't always make a choice that represents the best of all possible choices. However, it is true that humans & animals ALWAYS make the choice that SEEMS best to them at the time, NO exceptions (based on what they know, feel, think, etc. at that moment.) This was the most important thing I ever learned in school, in a neuroscience class. Life-changing as far as helping with understanding others & myself, forgiveness, and non-judgement. Thanks for your work. I truly love your 60 minutes video. Soooo helpful.🥰
Hi. I am a course student. I now believe that as I forgive others i am not "on the road to forgiveness" I am forgiven. Forgiving others forgives myself at the same time. It is a single thing! IMHO
We may project our subconscious seeming guiltiness on others, but the only way to get rid of it is asking the Holy Spirit to help us see God's innocence in them as well as in ourselves. Because that is the Self God gave us: wholly innocent. God experiences everything we experience, as each one of us.❤
I get what Emily is saying about people and forgiveness but like Robert said, deep down there is this sense of I can't forgive myself for that thing I did. This is something we wont say in front of people. I got a lot out of this from the course's standpoint. Love these podcasts!
Agree when Robert talks about the unconscious level of guilt. We can all talk about forgiving ourself but at the level of deep unconscious the guilt can be profound.
Remember that many people will not or can not forgive you so it is imperative that we forgive ourselves... If we dont forgive ourselves for judging ourselves & others we cant authentically accept and receive forgiveness from others... Self forgiveness resolves all as we move beyond the illusion of duality or separation....
"Love calls, though hate would bid you stay. Hear not the call of hate and see no fantasies, for your completion lies in truth and nowhere else. See in the call of hate, and in every fantasy that rises to delay you, but the call for help that rises ceaselessly from you to your Creator." ❤
If I call in the Holy Spirit to be right there at my side, I can forgive myself. If I try to do it "on my own" ,my abusive ego won't allow it. I (with my ego) have no problem forgiving others because my abusive ego allows it since it wants me to believe they actually deserve it more than I do. My solution to the abuse is to stop everything and focus on the Holy Spirit who really is there all the time, and then I feel the peace. I acknowledge that my practice of doing that is more important than any little task that I'm doing at the moment. In other words, I need frequent "time-outs" from the ego world.
I disagree. I was shamed in my childhood and as an adult. You need to remember not all people are born into the world with a selfish energy. I myself am an extreme empath and highly sensitive to others feelings thus always putting them before myself. I am also in my human personality an INFJ (Myers-Briggs personality test). Now that I’ve identified what I am in my human state, I see it for what it is and merely observe. It’s neutral but clears up my confusion of why I have felt this way. That comforts me. Now through a constant committed Holy Relationship with Source and the help of ACIM I’m being told that I DO need to forgive myself first for believing what I bought into and believed about myself. If I continue to believe these thoughts from ego, I’ll believe them about everyone else. So for me….in my quest for freedom, healing, peace and forgiveness it begins with that for myself first!! Then through the grace of Holy Spirit and my asking to see the Christ of others, it is done! 🙏🏻
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the course. For me, to think that because we have free will, we could/should have done better in the past is a trick of the ego. To acknowledge that we have done our best at any given moment in our lives will not keep us from using our free will to do better in the future. I like this quote from Maya Angelou: "When we know better, we do better".
That part of the talk didn’t land for me. I think he got lost in semantics. I think that forgiveness is us asking the Holy Spirit to Choi’s for God for me. I felt that they didn’t communicate this idea of doing your best very clearly.
I felt this well of guilt in myself in a dream state, maybe because then there is less resistance… it felt like an inherent part of my perception.. which feels like a band of fog over my mind. This is such a great podcast! 🙏💛
"The unforgiving mind must learn through your forgiveness that it has been saved from hell. And as you teach salvation, you will learn. Yet all your teaching and your learning will be not of you, but of the Teacher Who was given you to show the way to you." ❤
mental stillness is perfect forgiveness, in it there is no judgement and no duality "Forgiveness, on the other hand, is still, and quietly does nothing. It offends no aspect of reality, nor seeks to twist it to appearances it likes. It merely looks, and waits, and judges not"
Self forgiveness is the reason I found ACIM. We are less prone to talk about our lack of self forgiveness and our regrets. It's far easier to point at other people to deflect the blame from ourselves. How people bitch about others is not a measurement for how they do or don't apply self forgiveness.
Seems like lots of judgements of others from the outside looking in. How would you know what another's best is? Glad you make the acknowledgement that the deeper dark unconscious guilt IS where we need to forgive ourselves. Also, dont dismiss everything thats not your experience by calling it the "cult of self". For many people who have experienced trauma, self forgiveness is key on multiple levels.
I have looked at Mind Valley's channel. I have not heard of this organization before. Most videos concern how to get what the ego wants in the world of sight and sound: more money, more energy, more youth, more power, etc. I have not found a course on self-forgiveness yet but have not researched it thoroughly. The topic is critical IMO.
I think that the Course is very clear that forgiveness is the acceptance that nothing ever happened. And I don’t think this happens without a willingness to let the Holy Spirit show us this truth that nothing ever happened. It’s not a bypass. It’s feeling to heal. It’s looking to the spirit for guidance. The person can’t do it.
The course teaches that forgiveness is based on the idea that whatever your grievance is it is based on something that doesn't exist. To forgive is to overlook the others identity as being irretrievably yoked to a body and the many errors that arise from that Mis identification. I don't remember that coming up in your long podcast the entire time. Robert goes online about the benefits of forgiving but that definition of forgiving is based on a non course you definition of forgiveness. I think we need to be careful about adding too much of our own thoughts to what the course teaches. I was feeling really good about what the course teaches unforgiveness until I listen to your podcast
Metaphysics without transformation = self deception. The "new age" logic of forgiving myself first makes my guilt-feelings real and then tries to wash them out of my body-mind. I am fabricating this yucky guilt and trying to dump it off on the bad guys, justifying "me", fabricating more time, and keeping God's Judgment at bay. What ACIM Jesus teaches is a deep insight into our delusion of guilt, mostly about being truly honest with the Spirit within ---see esp. T-13.1.7. (C&A ed.) Eventually one's right mind emerges and I FEEL the release of the atonement: Grace! Holiness!
Having free will, and free to choose whatever level of effort and attention we choose for a situation, do we need to justify that choice to others all the time? Is it not enough to allow ourselves that choice, if we want to explain our reasoning for it we can, but not feel we must; and give others that same freedom? And we will learn from experience, ours and what others share with us, if we need to change that choice in future. This is respectful of ourselves and others. If we need to forgive someone, it means we have not allowed them their full freedom of choice and respected that, and we must acknowledge and change that, and still maintain our attitude of love towards them.
There is no way you can convince someone who has broken free from the illusion of separation, doing alignment work & experiencing God as One with All that you need to forgive others before self... Alot of dogma here.... WEAREONE... If we work on ourselves in which self forgiveness and self love is primordial then we are helping all of the collective... Just like the Bible can be misinterpreted and touched by hands of man so too can the Course be misinterpreted & has been touched by the hands of a human... Dong beLIEve this text is 100% accurate or should be taken 100% literal...
In Dutch, the word for "guilt" can mean "guilty" and also "debt." No one is guilty, and the only debt we have is allowing God to recognize Himself in our neighbors as well as in ourselves. By us asking the Holy Spirit for it. Jesus: “You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one."
Everyone i doing their BEST at their level of conscious awareness based on their ego conditioning/habits/mindset/sub-conscious programming its that simple... Everyone is doing the best they can with the tools they have in their tool box... There is no such thing as should have or shouldnt have.. We accept what is as it is in the present regardless of weather we learn the lesson or make changes to grow and learn... Either way mistakes are not possible only misalignment with Truth... If karmatic packages are not unpacked opportunities will continue to present themselves....
If we cant forgive ourselves for getting caught in the web of separatism judging self & others we will stagnate and remain stuck in the dream of duality
I think, the guilt you find in others is the one you find within yourself but is hidden. When someone does something that "triggers" you means that someone has served as a mirror to see something within you that you need to deal with, knowing that "triggers" are not universal but suited exactly for our own case and purpose. If you follow the root of the trigger within you'll see the dark spot within you as well, that ugly memory, that trauma. The good news here is that you don't need to deal with dark spot yourself, you can always spot it and call on the Holy Spirit or JC to come and help you clear it out, not necessarily erase it, but change your perception on it. This is what forgiving means to me on the course. the course uses a lot of its own jargon and changes the meaning of usual words like Perception compared to Projection, or Holiness and "Whollynees". I really think the word Forgive might be given the sense as Fore-Give. To give that dark spot within found by the trigger to the HS in a proactive and faithful manner.
Jesus taught that unless we forgive others, we will not be forgiven ourselves. As no human is perfect compared to God, if we criticize or condemn another for a human imperfection, we have condemned our human self as well. Then we are still identifying with our human appearance, character, and acts. Forgetting that this is a dream, and not reality. Jesus even prayed the Father to forgive those who were crucifying him while he was dying on the cross... to temper the Father's anger he felt in himself. Reminding the Father in him that also they were His Holy Sons. Not who they appeared to be. "I will not trade miracles for grievances. I want only what belongs to me. God has established miracles as my right." That is applicable when we think of others' seeming faults, and also when we think of our own. The Holy Spirit can make us see Who the other really is, and what helpful message the other is giving us. Even though they might not be aware of it. After all, it is impossible for them not to be our divine friends, regardless when appearances seem to be to the contrary. The "other" symbolizes God. We can ask the Holy Spirit to help us recognize God in the other, and God in ourselves as well.
Please help. My partner studied ACIM over 20yrs. He spends all his free time watching world politics on youtube on big screen tv. I go to sleep and wake up to the tv sound. Its on ALL the time. I can only get relief by leaving the house. Ive asked for occassional "no tv" time but its rejected. Recently we had an argument about it and he told me my ego is in distress. He holds no responsibility and makes statements like... its all an illusion or its not really happening. Oh and when out, he loves talking TO people about ACIM, usually sounding so good, but at home, with me, he uses it to control me. Help
So very sorry you’re experiencing such difficulties. This is clearly a misreading and misunderstanding of the Course. True spiritual wisdom is patient, kind, and cares deeply for everyone. It doesn’t offer simple dismissals, seek to control, or shirk personal responsibility by stating the world isn’t real. It’s up to you and your guidance to decide how your relationship continues from here but we can tell you that your partner is most definitely not representing the teachings of the Course.
@@CircleOfAtonement what would be a kind way to help him recognize this, without risking him telling me it's coming from my ego. And thank you so very much
No one knows what it's like / To be the bad man / To be the sad man / Behind blue eyes / And no one knows what it's like To be hated / To be fated to telling only lies. [The Who] Spiritual pride is so painful: I've been a student of ACIM for decades. How could I speak such sin-guilt-fear? So ugly! So futile! To be exposed--Shame! Condemning the other or justifying oneself--both dead ends--no place to stand and be right: "There is none righteous, no not one." [St. Paul]. "I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ [parable of the prodigal son].
Robert when you said let me tell my story. And then you called Emily the peanut gallery. For that brief moment I detected rage coming from you. A great opportunity to forgive Emily
The Cloud of Unknowing: ruclips.net/video/-eviMvlowwU/видео.html The Cloud of Unknowing (Middle English: The Cloude of Unknowyng) is an anonymous work of Christian mysticism written in Middle English in the latter half of the 14th century. The text is a spiritual guide on contemplative prayer in the Late Middle Ages. The underlying message of this work suggests that the way to know God is to abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes, and be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of "unknowing", at which point one may begin to glimpse the nature of God.
A short, powerful text published together with 'The Cloud of Unknowing" is "The Book of Privy Counselling", written by the same author. ~The Cloud of Unknowing and Other Works (Penguin Classics) (p. 103). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.
Until ego deconstruction work has been done and we KNOW who we are and who we are not, is in NOT possible to authentically forgive others... Try to get out of the dogma, Im bringing this blind spot to your awareness so maybe you can grow and learn from it... I walk the walk through experience & I have never heard any other spiritual teacher explain concept of forgiveness in this manor... No matter how you explain its backwards.... Much love...
We give forgiveness to our brothers always through Holy Spirit. And remember, this world and everything in it including “mythical me”, is all an illusion. In Truth, there is nothing to forgive.
The ideas in the course about forgiveness border on denialism, which I find to be problematic and unrealistic. The only people that don't forgive and don't feel guilt are sociopaths.
We understand your concerns. If you're interested in learning more, I'd point you to this video which addresses this topic: ruclips.net/video/1F8j16lWUEo/видео.htmlsi=LwVWAnHxu8I5wn4D Hope you find it helpful. 💙
When Love says, “I’m doing my best,” Blame says, “Your best isn’t good enough.” Forgiveness allows us to say, “We do the best we can until we know better; and when we know better we do better.”
I like how “The Four Agreements” states that doing our best means that each day can be different. For example, If you are not feeling well or sad your best for that day will be different than on a day when you are exuberant about life. It also depends on your state of consciousness, or mind and emotions.
The "Doing Your Best" disagreement is really just about semantics. No, of course people don't always make a choice that represents the best of all possible choices. However, it is true that humans & animals ALWAYS make the choice that SEEMS best to them at the time, NO exceptions (based on what they know, feel, think, etc. at that moment.) This was the most important thing I ever learned in school, in a neuroscience class. Life-changing as far as helping with understanding others & myself, forgiveness, and non-judgement. Thanks for your work. I truly love your 60 minutes video. Soooo helpful.🥰
Hi. I am a course student. I now believe that as I forgive others i am not "on the road to forgiveness" I am forgiven. Forgiving others forgives myself at the same time. It is a single thing! IMHO
We may project our subconscious seeming guiltiness on others, but the only way to get rid of it is asking the Holy Spirit to help us see God's innocence in them as well as in ourselves. Because that is the Self God gave us: wholly innocent.
God experiences everything we experience, as each one of us.❤
I get what Emily is saying about people and forgiveness but like Robert said, deep down there is this sense of I can't forgive myself for that thing I did. This is something we wont say in front of people. I got a lot out of this from the course's standpoint. Love these podcasts!
Agree when Robert talks about the unconscious level of guilt. We can all talk about forgiving ourself but at the level of deep unconscious the guilt can be profound.
My new obsession is listening to you guys talk ACIM while I work. Fantastic job!!! You folks are doing great! ❤
Glad you had such a sweet dad, Robert. Yay!!
Remember that many people will not or can not forgive you so it is imperative that we forgive ourselves... If we dont forgive ourselves for judging ourselves & others we cant authentically accept and receive forgiveness from others... Self forgiveness resolves all as we move beyond the illusion of duality or separation....
Wonderful topic!
"Love calls, though hate would bid you stay. Hear not the call of hate and see no fantasies, for your completion lies in truth and nowhere else. See in the call of hate, and in every fantasy that rises to delay you, but the call for help that rises ceaselessly from you to your Creator." ❤
If I call in the Holy Spirit to be right there at my side, I can forgive myself. If I try to do it "on my own" ,my abusive ego won't allow it. I (with my ego) have no problem forgiving others because my abusive ego allows it since it wants me to believe they actually deserve it more than I do. My solution to the abuse is to stop everything and focus on the Holy Spirit who really is there all the time, and then I feel the peace. I acknowledge that my practice of doing that is more important than any little task that I'm doing at the moment. In other words, I need frequent "time-outs" from the ego world.
Thank you for your words. Truly meaningful for me 🕊️💕🙏
I disagree. I was shamed in my childhood and as an adult. You need to remember not all people are born into the world with a selfish energy. I myself am an extreme empath and highly sensitive to others feelings thus always putting them before myself. I am also in my human personality an INFJ (Myers-Briggs personality test). Now that I’ve identified what I am in my human state, I see it for what it is and merely observe. It’s neutral but clears up my confusion of why I have felt this way. That comforts me. Now through a constant committed Holy Relationship with Source and the help of ACIM I’m being told that I DO need to forgive myself first for believing what I bought into and believed about myself. If I continue to believe these thoughts from ego, I’ll believe them about everyone else. So for me….in my quest for freedom, healing, peace and forgiveness it begins with that for myself first!! Then through the grace of Holy Spirit and my asking to see the Christ of others, it is done! 🙏🏻
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the course. For me, to think that because we have free will, we could/should have done better in the past is a trick of the ego. To acknowledge that we have done our best at any given moment in our lives will not keep us from using our free will to do better in the future. I like this quote from Maya Angelou: "When we know better, we do better".
That part of the talk didn’t land for me. I think he got lost in semantics. I think that forgiveness is us asking the Holy Spirit to Choi’s for God for me.
I felt that they didn’t communicate this idea of doing your best very clearly.
So, it sounds like forgiveness in a spiritual sense is a return to love.
Thank you! Great discussion!
I hope these talks reach more students🙏🏻🩷 great work, CofA!
I felt this well of guilt in myself in a dream state, maybe because then there is less resistance… it felt like an inherent part of my perception.. which feels like a band of fog over my mind. This is such a great podcast! 🙏💛
The is only Self . Is you forgive others, you forgive your self , if you forgive yourself , you forgive others
Wow. This is hitting hard. Thank you guys for being such wonderful teachers❤
"The unforgiving mind must learn through your forgiveness that it has been saved from hell. And as you teach salvation, you will learn.
Yet all your teaching and your learning will be not of you, but of the Teacher Who was given you to show the way to you." ❤
Your always doing your best when you ask for guidance ❤
Is it that we forgive ourselves? or is it that we accept forgiveness? Forgiveness is a given, whereas Guilt and Fear would have us believe otherwise.
mental stillness is perfect forgiveness, in it there is no judgement and no duality
"Forgiveness, on the other hand, is still, and quietly does nothing.
It offends no aspect of reality, nor seeks to twist it to appearances it likes.
It merely looks, and waits, and judges not"
Forgiveness has another face: helping others forgive us by the sins *they* believe we did; this goes beyond forgiving them or ourselves.
Self forgiveness is the reason I found ACIM. We are less prone to talk about our lack of self forgiveness and our regrets. It's far easier to point at other people to deflect the blame from ourselves. How people bitch about others is not a measurement for how they do or don't apply self forgiveness.
Seems like lots of judgements of others from the outside looking in. How would you know what another's best is?
Glad you make the acknowledgement that the deeper dark unconscious guilt IS where we need to forgive ourselves. Also, dont dismiss everything thats not your experience by calling it the "cult of self". For many people who have experienced trauma, self forgiveness is key on multiple levels.
Yes i am so stuck in guilt
I have looked at Mind Valley's channel. I have not heard of this organization before. Most videos concern how to get what the ego wants in the world of sight and sound: more money, more energy, more youth, more power, etc. I have not found a course on self-forgiveness yet but have not researched it thoroughly. The topic is critical IMO.
I think that the Course is very clear that forgiveness is the acceptance that nothing ever happened. And I don’t think this happens without a willingness to let the Holy Spirit show us this truth that nothing ever happened. It’s not a bypass. It’s feeling to heal. It’s looking to the spirit for guidance. The person can’t do it.
The course teaches that forgiveness is based on the idea that whatever your grievance is it is based on something that doesn't exist. To forgive is to overlook the others identity as being irretrievably yoked to a body and the many errors that arise from that Mis identification. I don't remember that coming up in your long podcast the entire time. Robert goes online about the benefits of forgiving but that definition of forgiving is based on a non course you definition of forgiveness. I think we need to be careful about adding too much of our own thoughts to what the course teaches. I was feeling really good about what the course teaches unforgiveness until I listen to your podcast
Metaphysics without transformation = self deception. The "new age" logic of forgiving myself first makes my guilt-feelings real and then tries to wash them out of my body-mind. I am fabricating this yucky guilt and trying to dump it off on the bad guys, justifying "me", fabricating more time, and keeping God's Judgment at bay. What ACIM Jesus teaches is a deep insight into our delusion of guilt, mostly about being truly honest with the Spirit within ---see esp. T-13.1.7. (C&A ed.) Eventually one's right mind emerges and I FEEL the release of the atonement: Grace! Holiness!
Having free will, and free to choose whatever level of effort and attention we choose for a situation, do we need to justify that choice to others all the time? Is it not enough to allow ourselves that choice, if we want to explain our reasoning for it we can, but not feel we must; and give others that same freedom? And we will learn from experience, ours and what others share with us, if we need to change that choice in future. This is respectful of ourselves and others. If we need to forgive someone, it means we have not allowed them their full freedom of choice and respected that, and we must acknowledge and change that, and still maintain our attitude of love towards them.
There is no way you can convince someone who has broken free from the illusion of separation, doing alignment work & experiencing God as One with All that you need to forgive others before self... Alot of dogma here.... WEAREONE... If we work on ourselves in which self forgiveness and self love is primordial then we are helping all of the collective... Just like the Bible can be misinterpreted and touched by hands of man so too can the Course be misinterpreted & has been touched by the hands of a human... Dong beLIEve this text is 100% accurate or should be taken 100% literal...
In Dutch, the word for "guilt" can mean "guilty" and also "debt."
No one is guilty, and the only debt we have is allowing God to recognize Himself in our neighbors as well as in ourselves. By us asking the Holy Spirit for it.
Jesus: “You judge according to the flesh; I judge no one."
Everyone i doing their BEST at their level of conscious awareness based on their ego conditioning/habits/mindset/sub-conscious programming its that simple... Everyone is doing the best they can with the tools they have in their tool box... There is no such thing as should have or shouldnt have.. We accept what is as it is in the present regardless of weather we learn the lesson or make changes to grow and learn... Either way mistakes are not possible only misalignment with Truth... If karmatic packages are not unpacked opportunities will continue to present themselves....
I’m wondering, it’s ego that perceives wrongness and then extends forgiveness, isn’t it? Spirit says we’ve done no wrong.
The Jail Keeper thinking of the ego
Is reflected perfectly in the
White Bear Episode
Of the TV show Black Mirror.
If we cant forgive ourselves for getting caught in the web of separatism judging self & others we will stagnate and remain stuck in the dream of duality
Loving the hyphenated last name Emily!
Wondered if you would? 😉
Blessings and Love
From Oregon 🙏❤
Forgiveness always rests upon the one who offers it, until he sees himself as needing it no more 🥰
I think, the guilt you find in others is the one you find within yourself but is hidden. When someone does something that "triggers" you means that someone has served as a mirror to see something within you that you need to deal with, knowing that "triggers" are not universal but suited exactly for our own case and purpose. If you follow the root of the trigger within you'll see the dark spot within you as well, that ugly memory, that trauma. The good news here is that you don't need to deal with dark spot yourself, you can always spot it and call on the Holy Spirit or JC to come and help you clear it out, not necessarily erase it, but change your perception on it. This is what forgiving means to me on the course. the course uses a lot of its own jargon and changes the meaning of usual words like Perception compared to Projection, or Holiness and "Whollynees". I really think the word Forgive might be given the sense as Fore-Give. To give that dark spot within found by the trigger to the HS in a proactive and faithful manner.
Jesus taught that unless we forgive others, we will not be forgiven ourselves.
As no human is perfect compared to God, if we criticize or condemn another for a human imperfection, we have condemned our human self as well. Then we are still identifying with our human appearance, character, and acts. Forgetting that this is a dream, and not reality.
Jesus even prayed the Father to forgive those who were crucifying him while he was dying on the cross... to temper the Father's anger he felt in himself. Reminding the Father in him that also they were His Holy Sons. Not who they appeared to be.
"I will not trade miracles for grievances. I want only what belongs to me. God has established miracles as my right."
That is applicable when we think of others' seeming faults, and also when we think of our own.
The Holy Spirit can make us see Who the other really is, and what helpful message the other is giving us. Even though they might not be aware of it. After all, it is impossible for them not to be our divine friends, regardless when appearances seem to be to the contrary.
The "other" symbolizes God. We can ask the Holy Spirit to help us recognize God in the other, and God in ourselves as well.
Please help. My partner studied ACIM over 20yrs.
He spends all his free time watching world politics on youtube on big screen tv.
I go to sleep and wake up to the tv sound. Its on ALL the time. I can only get relief by leaving the house. Ive asked for occassional "no tv" time but its rejected. Recently we had an argument about it and he told me my ego is in distress. He holds no responsibility and makes statements like... its all an illusion or its not really happening.
Oh and when out, he loves talking TO people about ACIM, usually sounding so good, but at home, with me, he uses it to control me. Help
So very sorry you’re experiencing such difficulties. This is clearly a misreading and misunderstanding of the Course. True spiritual wisdom is patient, kind, and cares deeply for everyone. It doesn’t offer simple dismissals, seek to control, or shirk personal responsibility by stating the world isn’t real. It’s up to you and your guidance to decide how your relationship continues from here but we can tell you that your partner is most definitely not representing the teachings of the Course.
@@CircleOfAtonement what would be a kind way to help him recognize this, without risking him telling me it's coming from my ego. And thank you so very much
No one knows what it's like / To be the bad man / To be the sad man / Behind blue eyes / And no one knows what it's like
To be hated / To be fated to telling only lies. [The Who]
Spiritual pride is so painful: I've been a student of ACIM for decades. How could I speak such sin-guilt-fear? So ugly! So futile!
To be exposed--Shame! Condemning the other or justifying oneself--both dead ends--no place to stand and be right: "There is none righteous, no not one." [St. Paul]. "I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired servants.’ [parable of the prodigal son].
Robert when you said let me tell my story. And then you called Emily the peanut gallery. For that brief moment I detected rage coming from you.
A great opportunity to forgive Emily
And a great opportunity for me to forgive you
I was taken by surprise on Robert’s comment. Rage is a big word here. Nice to know we ALL are still here working on forgiveness and judgements issues❤
The course somewhere says the slightest irritation is rage. Emily also said sorry after this interaction. Perhaps she felt guilty.
The Cloud of Unknowing:
ruclips.net/video/-eviMvlowwU/видео.html
The Cloud of Unknowing (Middle English: The Cloude of Unknowyng) is an anonymous work of Christian mysticism written in Middle English in the latter half of the 14th century. The text is a spiritual guide on contemplative prayer in the Late Middle Ages. The underlying message of this work suggests that the way to know God is to abandon consideration of God's particular activities and attributes, and be courageous enough to surrender one's mind and ego to the realm of "unknowing", at which point one may begin to glimpse the nature of God.
A short, powerful text published together with 'The Cloud of Unknowing" is "The Book of Privy Counselling", written by the same author.
~The Cloud of Unknowing and Other Works (Penguin Classics) (p. 103). Penguin Books Ltd. Kindle Edition.
But only when you love all men can you partake of God's love. We can not think of another we are all one United in Christ.
I am doing my best= get off my back. Like saying I am sorry.
Until ego deconstruction work has been done and we KNOW who we are and who we are not, is in NOT possible to authentically forgive others... Try to get out of the dogma, Im bringing this blind spot to your awareness so maybe you can grow and learn from it... I walk the walk through experience & I have never heard any other spiritual teacher explain concept of forgiveness in this manor... No matter how you explain its backwards.... Much love...
We give forgiveness to our brothers always through Holy Spirit. And remember, this world and everything in it including “mythical me”, is all an illusion. In Truth, there is nothing to forgive.
The ideas in the course about forgiveness border on denialism, which I find to be problematic and unrealistic. The only people that don't forgive and don't feel guilt are sociopaths.
We understand your concerns. If you're interested in learning more, I'd point you to this video which addresses this topic: ruclips.net/video/1F8j16lWUEo/видео.htmlsi=LwVWAnHxu8I5wn4D Hope you find it helpful. 💙
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