Yeah, this video was way better than the last one. I kind of wish. He went more in depth with the characters and the stories of the game but overall, Like he didn’t mention that shadow had his memory tempered by Gerald so he couldn’t keep that promise he made to Maria since they were the bestest of friends. But this video it’s way better and plus you probably already know that.
Yeah no one stole sega admitted in a post that sonic and tails were based off goku and gohan. Super sonic was inspired by super saiyan, but I’m pretty sure the creators were friends, so it wasn’t stealing, it was more a nod towards goku
About Super Sonic 2,that was a placeholder name that was found in the archives of the Game,the REAL Name of the Form is Starfall Super Sonic,or Cyber Super Sonic
@@shockhedgehog4771 Actually, no, Ian Flynn confirmed that internally by Sonic Team during the development of Final Horizon that form was called Starfall Super Sonic
@@ThisisTheUltimate Yeah, I'm going by the official name used in the official game files, and that is Super Sonic 2. With the other transformation being Super Sonic Cyber.
Damn they keep skipping the Sonic rush games and the book series games (secret rings and black knight) in their lore videos. Even though rush is where Sonic meets Blaze which then appears for his birthday in Generations which in that same references the book series. The book series has unique Sonic transformations that would be cool for you too see as well
Yeah, but i guess they don't want it to be complicated and super long. Because its very deep in terms of lore, since almost all the games that have been ever release is canon. Plus they make references and cameo's from previous games to current.
This was definitely the better video than last time. Goku definitely came first with Super Saiyan before Sonic got Super Sonic in Sonic 2. But it's such a staple in the series at this point. Lots of Sonic games from Sonic 2 on have Super Sonic as either an unlockable for collecting all Chaos Emeralds or as the form Sonic uses in the game's final battle. If you're interested in Shadow's lore specifically, there is a video called "Shadow 101" on the official Sonic the Hedgehog RUclips Channel which came out recently. Pretty much explains all you need to know on Shadow in 3 minutes, including Maria and Gerald Robotnik.
The first part was from Sonic Frontiers, while playing through the game you unlock different things that explain the past of how the chaos emeralds got to Sonic's planet.
Neither Sonic or Goku stole from eachother. Super Saiyan was a transformation Toriyama created because he was tired of painting Goku's hair black, and Super Sonic was inspired by Super Saiyan because the creator of Sonic is a HUGE fan of Toriyama's works, especially Dragon Ball.
Super sonic wasn't based off super saiyan neither was shadow based off vegeta nor silver was based off trunks db fans just wanna act like toriyama invented the concept of transformations rivals and time travel
@@Eternatus00Super sonic was based off super Saiyan and the hell are going on about with "db fans just wanna act like toriyama invented the concept of transformation rivals and time travel" he wasn't even implying that did bother to read it all ?
@@ppvsonicspy its only in the files on segas socials and everywhere else they call it "a powered up super sonic". Lock in goofy. Most people call it Cyber Sonic anyway
Yes The Ancients is indeed Chaos Race but how Chaos got stranded from them?!?!?! We don’t even know at all honestly, they still need to tight up those loose ends Sonic Adventure 1 left off from 20+ years ago
Actually dragon ball came out before sonic and goku became super before him so you where inspired by dragon ball correct me if I'm wrong if that's not what you ment.
sonic is not a copy of db its inspired and has many differences like the 7 chaos emeralds having different powers like being able to be used as an energy source for doomsday weapons and super states. and super sonic is different by being invincible and able to warp reality and time
If you think that was crazy Well this guy didn't even mention the comics that happen after sonic forces (the defeat of infinite) which may not sound like much, but there was the aftermath of Eggman taking over the world, a bunch of new characters, a literal zombie apocalypse (yep I'm serious and this arc was awesome) and so much other stuff And yep those comics are 100% canon
Sonic took the inspiration for Super Sonic from Dragonball, but Dragonball took inspiration for the Goku Black Saga from Sonic 06. So, both take from each other in some aspects
This video is much better though I will point out they left out the handheld games which are important to the overall story. Examples include the Sonic Rush games which establish the Sol Dimension and it's princess Blaze the Cat, the Sonic Rivals series which reintroduces Silver into the main universe as well as both Sonic Battle and the Sonic Advance series which introduces Emerl, an ancient robot that served as the original Ulrimate Life Form and is hinted to show up in the upcoming game starring Shadow.
Better video for sure. Super Sonic 2 - that isn't the real name of the form, it's just one of the three(?) placeholder names found in the files. The form itself was never given a name.
well it was confirmed by sega both Infinite and Mephiles can come back in future games so yeah Infinite is not dead just like chaos was inside the master emerald, Infinite is sealed in the phantom ruby
Anyone who still cares about if Sonic “copies” Dragon ball is a loser bro. Sure he got inspired with the super form and the 7 emeralds but that’s it, anything more is a coincidence or an asspull.
There are way more things then the one’s you said like silver going back in time to save his world like trunks from dragon ball and many other things that where probably copied but i still love both
@@Zayrexz The only thing Sonic has that was inspired by Dragon Ball, are the appearance of the super forms, the chaos emeralds being 7 (this is debatable since 7 is a number that's used in anything of significance. And Silver. There is nothing else.
Nah one year after the official first ever seen super sayin (1989) sonic the hedgehog came out (1990) introducing super sonic so sonic stole from goku technically
Sega did still from dragonball z bc when Goku got his super form 1 year latter sonic got his super form also sonic and tails arebased off piccolo and Gohan if you didn't know also dragonball z did steal from sonic in sparking 0 but they was chill sonic and Goku are almost the same bc sonic eats a lot Goku Naruto luffy and sonic are based off of Goku first they all eat a lot 2 they do befor they think 3 they will do anything to protect the ones they love and sonic and classic sonic are the same person well that's what I think I have not done my reaserch idk if I'm spelling it right but yea I think there the same cuz classic sonic is from the past and modern sonic is from the presint and solor guys idk what his name was but sonic shadow and silver had to fight him in the past presint and fucher I might had miss spell some I'm sorry so yea also like this comment if you liked it have a good day and remember good evening good morning and good night piece ❤
Sonic steeled from goku goku went super, saying 2 before sonic and super, saying one before supersonic or supersonic, two super saying was made in nineteen ninety nine and super sonic was made in nineteen ninety two
the video forgot sonic 4 mania (it's made canon that it's on the past not atlernate dimension) battle and hyper sonic the storybooks this lore video ain't it
Um... I couldn't fully understand what you're saying, but what I think you're trying to say is that the canonical ending for Sonic Frontiers is the original one and not the one in the "Final Horizon" update. However, this is not true.
Yeah, this video was way better than the last one. I kind of wish. He went more in depth with the characters and the stories of the game but overall, Like he didn’t mention that shadow had his memory tempered by Gerald so he couldn’t keep that promise he made to Maria since they were the bestest of friends. But this video it’s way better and plus you probably already know that.
J’s Review went more in depth but this video was way better than the last one
@@JarenJohnson-rb4dt true
It’s a more simplified version basically overlooked/glossed over some info but that’s the best way to tell the story without it getting complicated
Neither goku or sonic stole forms. Actually im pretty sure both creators were pretty chill
Yeah while super sonic is inspired by super saiyan the actual power set couldn't be more different.
yeah there is also a rumor that Akira Toriyama was involved with making Super Sonic.
No they were chill in fact they were both friends
Yeah no one stole sega admitted in a post that sonic and tails were based off goku and gohan. Super sonic was inspired by super saiyan, but I’m pretty sure the creators were friends, so it wasn’t stealing, it was more a nod towards goku
Super sonic came after super saiyan so technically speaking sonic stole from goku
Chaomix has some good lore recaps that go more in depth into each story.
The Shadow stuff is always insanely good to learn about.
About Super Sonic 2,that was a placeholder name that was found in the archives of the Game,the REAL Name of the Form is Starfall Super Sonic,or Cyber Super Sonic
Those are just fan-made names. Super Sonic 2 might not be officially the transformation's name, but it's the only one coming from an official source.
@@shockhedgehog4771 Ian flynn was the one that twetted The Starfall Super Sonic name
It's Super Sonic 2. You know how difficult that DLC was? Calling that is worth the pain.
@@shockhedgehog4771 Actually, no, Ian Flynn confirmed that internally by Sonic Team during the development of Final Horizon that form was called Starfall Super Sonic
@@ThisisTheUltimate Yeah, I'm going by the official name used in the official game files, and that is Super Sonic 2. With the other transformation being Super Sonic Cyber.
Chaos was technically a Chao that got mutated by the Master Emerald, likely reverting to its ancestral appearance aka the Ancients.
Chao s
Damn they keep skipping the Sonic rush games and the book series games (secret rings and black knight) in their lore videos. Even though rush is where Sonic meets Blaze which then appears for his birthday in Generations which in that same references the book series.
The book series has unique Sonic transformations that would be cool for you too see as well
Yeah, but i guess they don't want it to be complicated and super long. Because its very deep in terms of lore, since almost all the games that have been ever release is canon. Plus they make references and cameo's from previous games to current.
Ayy, that's me! Thanks for watching, bro. Hope it was enjoyable.
I enjoyed it! Keep doing ya thing
This was definitely the better video than last time.
Goku definitely came first with Super Saiyan before Sonic got Super Sonic in Sonic 2. But it's such a staple in the series at this point. Lots of Sonic games from Sonic 2 on have Super Sonic as either an unlockable for collecting all Chaos Emeralds or as the form Sonic uses in the game's final battle.
If you're interested in Shadow's lore specifically, there is a video called "Shadow 101" on the official Sonic the Hedgehog RUclips Channel which came out recently. Pretty much explains all you need to know on Shadow in 3 minutes, including Maria and Gerald Robotnik.
The first part was from Sonic Frontiers, while playing through the game you unlock different things that explain the past of how the chaos emeralds got to Sonic's planet.
The End only takes the form of a giant moon in Sonic’s eyes because it looks different to every being that perceives it.
The End is supposed to take the form of what the viewer fears the most.
Sonic is afraid of water.
The moon controls the tides
Neither Sonic or Goku stole from eachother. Super Saiyan was a transformation Toriyama created because he was tired of painting Goku's hair black, and Super Sonic was inspired by Super Saiyan because the creator of Sonic is a HUGE fan of Toriyama's works, especially Dragon Ball.
Super sonic wasn't based off super saiyan neither was shadow based off vegeta nor silver was based off trunks db fans just wanna act like toriyama invented the concept of transformations rivals and time travel
@@Eternatus00Super sonic was based off super Saiyan and the hell are going on about with "db fans just wanna act like toriyama invented the concept of transformation rivals and time travel" he wasn't even implying that did bother to read it all ?
Yeaah,this is a much better video,easier to understand too
They forgot to mention Blaze the Cat and the Sol Emralds.
The last game was sonic frontiers which came out in 2022 it’s the newest main story game you should play it on the channel it’s pretty good
Its okay
7:59 Infinite’s original name was Zero so... yea bro went from Zero to Infinite💀
Sonic has some insane lore
9:30 Super Sonic 2 is just a placeholder name lmao
It's the name used in the files, so it's the name that me and most other people are going to use. You don't like it? Well sucks for you then.
@@ppvsonicspy its only in the files on segas socials and everywhere else they call it "a powered up super sonic". Lock in goofy. Most people call it Cyber Sonic anyway
@@ppvsonicspy Yeah, as a placeholder, Flynn already confirmed it be called "Starfall Super Sonic". You don't like it? Well sucks for you then.
@BlackBladeSombra Starfall Sonic sounds like a Sick name 🔥
Right? Sounds much better than just adding a number.@@DEADLYSTORM22
Loved this was a banger keep it up looks awesome btw love this videos and reactions so much
Eggman always be unleashing
God's and Monsters only for shit
to always go wrong
It sure is 🌌
Love the art used in the thumbnail
A bit straightforward but yes much better than the last one, at least this wasn't weirdly passive aggressive going "this is so fucking stupid".
Yes The Ancients is indeed Chaos Race but how Chaos got stranded from them?!?!?! We don’t even know at all honestly, they still need to tight up those loose ends Sonic Adventure 1 left off from 20+ years ago
I was inspired i never stole anything
Actually dragon ball came out before sonic and goku became super before him so you where inspired by dragon ball correct me if I'm wrong if that's not what you ment.
sonic is not a copy of db its inspired and has many differences like the 7 chaos emeralds having different powers like being able to be used as an energy source for doomsday weapons and super states. and super sonic is different by being invincible and able to warp reality and time
Nah sonic u aint beating the allegations (still love u tho)
If you think that was crazy
Well this guy didn't even mention the comics that happen after sonic forces (the defeat of infinite) which may not sound like much, but there was the aftermath of Eggman taking over the world, a bunch of new characters, a literal zombie apocalypse (yep I'm serious and this arc was awesome) and so much other stuff
And yep those comics are 100% canon
both creators were good friends they inspired each other hyper sonic inspired mui super sayain and trunks inspired super sonic and sliver the hedgehog
Sonic took the inspiration for Super Sonic from Dragonball, but Dragonball took inspiration for the Goku Black Saga from Sonic 06. So, both take from each other in some aspects
This video is much better though I will point out they left out the handheld games which are important to the overall story. Examples include the Sonic Rush games which establish the Sol Dimension and it's princess Blaze the Cat, the Sonic Rivals series which reintroduces Silver into the main universe as well as both Sonic Battle and the Sonic Advance series which introduces Emerl, an ancient robot that served as the original Ulrimate Life Form and is hinted to show up in the upcoming game starring Shadow.
well... what do you expect, The video was trying to cover a story in 10 minutes :)
@@justachillguy-o8d True, I was just pointing it out since he doesn't know.
This form was called starfall super sonic
you should look at the horrors of project shadow
You should watch the Archie Sonic timeline next👍
Better video for sure.
Super Sonic 2 - that isn't the real name of the form, it's just one of the three(?) placeholder names found in the files. The form itself was never given a name.
in between sonic 3 and sa1 you have to put in sonic mania and sonic generations from classic sonics perspective
I like Forces because it brought back evil Eggman from Sonic SAT.
Yes they are the same being as Chaos, accept the fact they don’t live in the master emerald, they live in the Koko
well it was confirmed by sega both Infinite and Mephiles can come back in future games so yeah Infinite is not dead just like chaos was inside the master emerald, Infinite is sealed in the phantom ruby
They miss mad games in these like sonic CD, secret rings, black knight, shuffle etc
didnt skip cd lol
@@michaelg4981 when in the video did they mention cd timestamp it
@@ljthehedgehog2342 3:21
Thanks
@@ljthehedgehog2342 np
You should watch a video on all of Sonics transformations
w video as always
Truegawd my man
Bro should react to Archie Sonic next
Akira like sonic but doesnt mean he stole
Could you please link the original video in the description? I want to find it.
Sonic is 7 dimesional!!!
The original video name?
Edit: found it: The Sonic universe explained under 10 minutes.
yo you should try out the sonic games coming out this year
Neither stole forms. Though, Sonic came before Goku but Super Saiyan Goku was introduced before Super Sonic
Goku came before sonic
@@lihzzahrdspeed6631 ay my bad
He is 7 dimensional!
One with sonwokekong and crate with diven
Hey bro watch the horrors of project shadow by chaomix it’s very dark and you’ll understand why shadow is the way he is in the movie if you watch it?
This means these ancient s are related to choas cause choas did originate from chao 1:59
yo whats the art used in the thumbnail
W video but can you react to sonic, sonic and sonic make a tier list
Anyone who still cares about if Sonic “copies” Dragon ball is a loser bro.
Sure he got inspired with the super form and the 7 emeralds but that’s it, anything more is a coincidence or an asspull.
relax bro its not that deep
There are way more things then the one’s you said like silver going back in time to save his world like trunks from dragon ball and many other things that where probably copied but i still love both
@@AntolaRes that’s my point it really isn’t.
But its just toxic Db fans thinking its the most influential anime of all tile
@@Zayrexz The only thing Sonic has that was inspired by Dragon Ball, are the appearance of the super forms, the chaos emeralds being 7 (this is debatable since 7 is a number that's used in anything of significance. And Silver. There is nothing else.
@@BlackBladeSombrayh 7 is a lucky number
I was so busy watching the video true is watching that I forgot it was a truegod video btw bro was talking while i was watching:/
This far better just less depth and leaves some bits out
A whole lot better
Sonic stole from dragon ball, but then dragon ball stole from sonic with the ultra instinct form
There's also Dark Sonic existing before Goku Black. But honestly it doesn't matter, people fight abt this religiously like the crusades or something
@@gamejitzu I would argue scourge or mephiles are more similar to goku black than dark sonic
@@Summorial2 True, maybe even super sonic in 'sonic the comic', since he literally separated into a different character
@@gamejitzu you mean fleetway
dbs forms work completely different from sonics and vice versa so they cant be called copies
Yeah, this is the better video
Nah one year after the official first ever seen super sayin (1989) sonic the hedgehog came out (1990) introducing super sonic so sonic stole from goku technically
inspired
My nigga….Sonics whole drip is stolen from Gokus on god 🤣🤣🤣
Yay
Still no super emeralds
Found you
That was a good video. The last video was poorly explained and had alot of negative remarks for no reason
PLS REACT TO ARCHIE SONIC OR HOW STRONG IS SONIC
Sonic stole from Goku but it is still cool
Hi I'm on my grandmas account but I'm 10 years old and my name is also sage I just thought it was funny and kinda ironic anyways have a good day
Sonic is good(before truegawd)
Nice
hi.
i have watched u for a while truegawd, hope u notice me is all.
just wanted to say hi :)
read kagurabachi
Sega did still from dragonball z bc when Goku got his super form 1 year latter sonic got his super form also sonic and tails arebased off piccolo and Gohan if you didn't know also dragonball z did steal from sonic in sparking 0 but they was chill sonic and Goku are almost the same bc sonic eats a lot Goku Naruto luffy and sonic are based off of Goku first they all eat a lot 2 they do befor they think 3 they will do anything to protect the ones they love and sonic and classic sonic are the same person well that's what I think I have not done my reaserch idk if I'm spelling it right but yea I think there the same cuz classic sonic is from the past and modern sonic is from the presint and solor guys idk what his name was but sonic shadow and silver had to fight him in the past presint and fucher I might had miss spell some I'm sorry so yea also like this comment if you liked it have a good day and remember good evening good morning and good night piece ❤
Sonic steeled from goku goku went super, saying 2 before sonic and super, saying one before supersonic or supersonic, two super saying was made in nineteen ninety nine and super sonic was made in nineteen ninety two
this video will better, but STILL skips lots of games cannon to the games: sonic battle, sonic rush, the advance games, almost every spin off game
react to sun wukong vs kratos
I’m here
The song?
Or let’s not at stole more like was inspired by goku 9:42
Sonic stole from goku.
Watch gamma explained video
the video forgot sonic 4 mania (it's made canon that it's on the past not atlernate dimension) battle and hyper sonic the storybooks this lore video ain't it
Hi
Sonic stole from goku 9:42
No he didn't
@@jayson.win231Sega was inspired by DB, so technically yes. They did.
@@nerdydebaterjj your confusing the words inspired and stolen which y your in the wrong
@@jayson.win231I was just joking truegawd said the same joke I was just joking as well
Its funny watching Sonic fans trying defend it... its literally dbz for kids
Sonic not a copy
Not even similar LOL
Sonic stoll his whole flow
this aint the best tbh. its good but js reviews has a better timeline
Sonic copy Goku.
This means eggman conical lost sage meaning he would still be the villain of the story the dlc is not canon 9:27
Um... I couldn't fully understand what you're saying, but what I think you're trying to say is that the canonical ending for Sonic Frontiers is the original one and not the one in the "Final Horizon" update. However, this is not true.
Final Horizon is the true ending
No the DLC is confirmed cannon
@@shin-ultima8943 yeah I know I was just joking
@@Xxblade17 I was joking I know final horizon is the true ending
Sonic lore is ass nowdays
No views in 60 seconds? Bro fell off *HARD*
Loved this was a banger keep it up looks awesome btw love this videos and reactions so much