A Discussion on Being a Pro-Second-Amendment Social Liberal
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- A pro-Second Amendment *liberal*?? How can this be? Here's the answer. My cameralady, "Miss B.H.C." and I have a 26-minute discussion on this very point. Turns out if you're a liberal, you MUST be pro-2A if you want to be consistent.
I believe that we as Americans should be having more of these conversations. You wonder why I do these videos? Here's some insight as to why.
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Thanks! Hopefully there will be more of this to come. And I agree with you; corruption is corruption, no matter which "party" or "group" it happens to be. The Founding Fathers knew this, which is why the Constitution--including the Bill of Rights--is written the way that it is.
Thanks! Nothing wrong with being conservative or liberal. What matters is the freedom to have those respective positions, and the 2A is the "teeth" that ensures that. One of these days I'm going to get more into IDPA, because that time I tried it, it sure was fun.
@sherlocktommy You ought to see the reactions I get at gun shows! Folks are absolutely blown away, especially when they see the logo on my shirt. It's hysterical. But it starts an important conversation.
This is simply excellent! Please keep up the advocacy and the good work, my friend!!
@plumberjoe80 You are correct, the Weimar Republic did start gun registration. I spoke somewhat sloppily; Hitler's part was to add to that existing Weimar-era law, specifically targeting Jews. It reminds me a lot of what happened with the Mulford Act in California, followed by all the other restrictions that use Mulford as their basis.
Appreciate the correction--thanks!
Oh, I'm definitely a liberal. I find that most people in the USA, especially conservatives, are confused about what liberalism really is. Check out my Web site (RUclips won't let me post the link here), and read the section on "The True Meaning of the Second Amendment: A Liberal's Epiphany". This may help explain things.
Thanks for watching! I'd welcome further discussion on this point.
Agreed, there are some things that governments simply do better than corporations, from a social-benefit point of view. National defense is one of them; same with law enforcement. There does need to be a certain balance between the need for governmental powers and the need for individual liberty. For me, that balance is, "grant government only enough powers to be able to ensure that individual civil liberties are preserved." Sort of like the GNU General Public License.
@pylsemaker Time defiintely limited how far in-depth we could go. We figured 26 minutes on a single RUclips video was already long enough! Hopefully we'll get a chance to expand on some of the mentioned points in future videos. This is in our plans.
In the meantime, there is more info about some of these points at my Web site. Hopefully this can help provide some of the additional detail missing in this video.
Indeed, that's probably true. I find that a true Liberal and a true Conservative are remarkably similar. The hard part for me is actually finding true Liberals and Conservatives!
It's good to see a fellow Virginian that supports the 2nd Amendment and isn't conservative. As a GMU graduate with a sister at Virginia Tech, I appreciate your activism efforts. As far as political definitions go, it's a rather complex matter. I personally identify as a "left-libertarian," meaning I highly value individual freedom, but am a little less enthusiastic about laissez faire capitalism. I'm sure many proponents of capitalism would take me to task for this, but it seems to be to be a
@Mrcaffinebean You point out the problem of how politics are so intensely polarized right now. When we are fed a package of either a liberal or conservative candidate, there is no flexibility. The conservative package is extremely rigid on other areas that are highly significant, which force some that support the second amendment to vote liberal because it's the best overall choice of the two options when other priorities are considered as well.
Well said, and I've heard this before. It cannot be said too much.
@pylsemaker Yeah, I know. I get some of them saying that if I do not open carry a full sized pistol then I am a coward or a sheep or a dumb ass. I don't identify with people on either end of the extreme. I see guns as a right that is God given & cannot be taken away by politicians. When & if I choose to exercise any of my rights is completely up to me.
I think of myself as a Libertarian which i see as someone who respects everyone and their opinion as long as it doesn't tread on me. This shows me that being Liberal doesn't mean that you want to take away individual liberty and peoples ability to make mistakes and learn. So thank you for the clarification. Good video i think we would agree on a lot of things. Especially our right to bare arms.
Very interesting, technically you might be a liberal, but I seriously doubt many liberals would feel that you’re a liberal, since they’ve mostly gone communist socialist and anti-gun, i’m talking about the people that identify themselves as liberals
Thanks for watching this! What saves me there is the fact that I'm actually from the City of San Francisco. Hard for them to argue with that. This is why I make a distinction now between liberals (like me) and Democrats. I also remind them that MLK Jr. applied for a concealed handgun permit after an attack against his home and family. He did it reluctantly, yes...but he *did it*. Of course he was denied given the Jim Crow policies of that era. Fellow liberals hear this and find it hard to believe, but it is true. Black liberals seem to be a bit more accepting of it. BTW, the lady who interviewed me for this, "Miss BHC", is now "Mrs. BHC" as of last year (we're now married!). :-)
And I assure you that my Dad did. Fortunately, he didn't have to fire; the mere presence of it was enough to dissuade them.
@pylsemaker You misunderstand what I meant. I don't fear armed or unarmed Americans. I fear Americans being disarmed & therefore unarmed by politicians who write laws that makes being able to defend yourself from criminals illegal and impossible. The guy I was responding to was saying liberals should be armed like the conservative opposition is, as IF they will shoot each other over politics. We all have the same rights, no matter if we're liberal or conservative or moderate. We're all Americans
Very sorry to hear about this happening to your father and your family. I remember you having him on your podcasts and he was a great guest on your show. I could tell he was proud of his son. I am a big fan of you since your SF days with Miss BHC. I also was inspired and learned how to reload from watching your videos a couple of years ago. I just bought a lead melting pot and will revisit your boolit making videos. You have a great gift for teaching and communication. You have transcended political party barriers in the name of Liberty and our Constitution. I hope and strongly encourage you to continue your podcasts/message!
Hi @Kevin S. I know it's been a few years since I did an episode. Perhaps it's time to start this back up. Looks like we're going to need that voice here again.
Thanks for the encouragement. Hopefully you got a chance to check out the boolit making videos. They have helped a lot in ammo availability during this 2020-2021 period.
I'm actually Australian and living abroad. The less said about Aussie gun laws the better, although forcing people to take a course in firearm safety before they could buy and to mandate proper storage was IMO a long-overdue step. I feel Canada's laws are probably a reasonable middle ground, but it's a debate that really needs more space than RUclips comment boxes will allow.
Indeed. It appears that you're Canadian, from your page. You had a similar ssue with the First Nations that we had with what we call the Native American tribes. Contrast the results from the Battle at Wounded Knee (the Sioux disarmed and were subsequently slaughtered) with those from the Battle at Little Bighorn, where the well-armed Sioux could and did defend themselves against a surprise attack ("Custer's Last Stand").
Because I am armed you have to appeal to my intellect to get me to do your will. Because I am armed you cannot impose you will upon me against my will. This is why I and you are free men.
@scarternc1 I've found the same among conservatives as I have "modern liberals". They both seem to want to "do something"--for example, the Dept. of Homeland Security, the PATRIOT ACT, and the TSA. I guess I'm more of a Jeffersonian liberal (what some might now call a "libertarian"). I want *less* government intrusion into our private lives, and you'd be amazed at how many other San Franciscans believe likewise. The media just don't like to mention that "Inconvenient Truth." :-)
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(From one of your answers below): "The ballot box, the jury box and the cartridge box." The latter, dear God, as the last resort - but the threat of it under extreme circumstances is necessary. Only a dictator (actual or potential) fears an armed population.
Jesse Ventura talked about when he was in the Philippines when Ferdinand Marcos "declared martial law and made himself a dictator, and the first thing that dictator did? He the people of the Philippines two weeks to turn in all their guns or it's the death penalty. Now why would a dictator do that? Why would he make his Number-One priority when he took over as dictator to disarm the public?"
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Indeed, Mr. Ventura. Indeed. Ensing Cthulhu, you are correct. We hope that we never, EVER need to use it, but the threat of it under extreme circumstances is indeed necessary, and that is the true meaning of the Second Amendment.
@@sfliberal IIRC there is a clause somewhere which specifically allows the US people to overthrow a government that has become tyrannical, but not being American myself I do not recall exactly where it is.
Nice to hear from you by the way. Been a while. Hope you are well.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu Thanks! Yep, married to "Miss BHC", who is now "Mrs. BHC". We are indeed doing well, even given the current COVID-19 circumstances. For a few years, I wasn't as active here as RUclips was deleting some of my videos. That's about to change, and the podcast will also start getting updated again...SOON.
Hopefully you are also doing well.
@@sfliberal I am, thank you. Congratulations on the nuptials!
@MyOwnYTAccount Actually, I am. Of the major candidates, I'd say Mr. Paul is at this point the closest thing we have to an actual Constitutionalist.
Good video. I find conservatives to be MUCH MORE pro freedom. Not just on guns. Big government is a liberal concept. The idea of laws for everything. Also, social programs that keep people enslaved, under the thumb of government....welfare...control of people's healthcare...the people that really love The Constitution are the conservatives.
1. Life (pro life),
2. Liberty (freedom, not big government control)
3. Pursuit of happiness. (Pursuit means you WORK for happiness, it's not a handout)
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are all very consistent with conservative views, and very different than liberal views.
Good explanation. The only thing is that Hitlers famous gun registration quote is bogus. Gun registration in Germany was a policy that started 10 years before Hitler came to power. It was the Weimar Republic.
As I am an liberal leaning Independant and am also pro-2nd amendment, I often get into discussions about the legitimacy of gun laws. Someone brought up an interesting point that even if The Right to Bear Arms' intent is having the right to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government, that tyrannical government would probably just throw you in prison as a "terrorist," and people would begin disappearing. What do you say to this scenario as it is not that far off the possibilities list.
Glad to see people here are more informed. Great video. Enjoy your reloading videos too. When your commenters say modern liberal, vs. libertarian vs. conservative reasoning why these people are acting this way today, it's simple, corruption of the perceived power...conservative, liberal, libertarian, or jackass. Doesn't matter, corruption is just what it is. Self consuming and self destruction. Unfortunately we are on this crash course in our country.
Keep up the great videos.
So do I. Sadly, with maybe one or two exceptions it seems that neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives in DC believe in "Live and let live". And that's really our fault, isn't it--Us, The People--by reelecting them?
LOL! A lot of people do say this. I am quite familiar with Ron and Rand Paul's political platforms, and they've got some good points. I believe it would do a lot of self-described "Liberals" (really Democrats--they're not typically what I'd call Liberals) to start hanging out with the Libertarians. I do believe the Libertarian philosophy has some gaps in it, though, and that those gaps are nicely filled in by Liberalism. Check out the podcast!
truism that a government which maximizes freedom must not only refrain from infringing on individual freedom as much as possible, but most also maximize opportunities. Many refer to this as the "negative/positive freedom distinction"--the difference between being free from coercion vs. having the means to *actually* do something, freedom "from" vs. freedom "to." While I disagree with the social liberal idea that mandatory taxation and social programs is the ideal way to maximize equality of
Turns out not really. I address that very point on the podcast, "The Liberal's Gun Corner". Have a listen to Episode 12 when you get a chance.
Non-US perspective: I am not sure that the US population today in any way resembles a well-regulated militia. However, the connection between the security of a free state & the people forming that state having the right to arm themselves remains. The State is the people before it is the government (or in my case the Monarchy one step above that). If the people are not free, the State is not free. Consider also the biblical lesson of the Book of Esther. Armament protects minorities, as you know.
@ms3bani What I fear is unarmed Americans. Liberal, conservative, etc should all be armed if they want to be. We all have that right.
Thank you for answering my question
Agree with everything you said. I'm just wondering what your view is on Obama and this administration as far as individual freedoms go especially on 2nd amendment rights? I have always been curious to hear a liberals side of it at least one that can have a civil meaningful conversation and those can be hard to find. lol
I couldn't agree more.
Personally, I think you're a Libertarian but don't know it.
You should do more videos - I certainly learned a lot from your reloading videos, and even some personal emails regarding reloading.
I agree with the person who said you got a gift for communication. Hope all is well. Best wishes from SoCal to Bay Area
I wish the liberals in DC believed in "Live and let live".
That is my thoughts too. Romney was a bad choice for sure but I also believe if Rubio would have been chosen for VP the results would have been different as well.
Love the pod cast Cowboy T keep up the good work
Link??? Searched, but nothing for that name came up.
I have to agree with KenpoProfessor, I think you may not be that far from the Party of Ron/Rand Paul, you just dont know it yet. Live and let live is the libertarian motto. I am more socially conservative with libertarian leanings. Do what you want (except abortion -do no harm right?). Anyway, I enjoyed your video. I found it after watching your excellent video series on cast bullets. Very thorough and I find your personality entertaining, a joy to watch. Thanks
Will PM you the link.
On another note, my business partner Greg Jones has been bugging you on the reloading videos, he just got all the equipment yesterday, I'll probably follow suite, just waiting to see if he blows off a finger before I do LOL!
This is something that no sane American enjoys thinking about. I guess my answer is Frederick Douglass's answer of 1892 in his autobiography, which is, and I quote:
"the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box; that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country..."
If this means that Frederick Douglass is now viewed as a "terrorist", then I guess I'm in good company. Let's hope it never goes there.
Very well put I am just about tired of both parties we definitely need a change.
Aussie, eh? G'day! We've heard about the gun laws over there, and they're much like those of the State of California, so I'm familiar with the concept.
The debate continues in this country as well. Unfortunately, it's been reduced to 15-second sound bites on what passes for "news" channels here in the USA. Sigh....
The author made a very good explanation of his social liberal status but it was published 8 years ago and I believe he should update it for clarity. As CowboyT has not published any RUclips videos recently I will add my 2 cents.
Our founding fathers were liberal in that they believed in freedom and non-intervention by those who were chosen by citizens to govern over matters of national protection. They definitely were not Socialist Left, Communists, pro Dictatorial in mindset. Th Constitution was written to establish how the States would keep a workable Union while maintaining States Sovereignty. This document would not have been agreed on unless there were also Amendments establishing limits on the Federation and guaranteed rights of the States and their Citizens. Today's political arena has perverted the image of "Liberal" to the level it would not be recognizable In the 18th, 19th or 20th centuries. Those claiming to be "Progressives" today have thru single interest PC ideology become zealots of all powerful dictatorial control of every individual in the pretext of "common good" of the subjects. Protecting citizens by limiting the ability of self protection is not within the capabilities of any strong central authority. The U.S. is almost unique in retaining the rights of citizens to bear arms. Nations which have denied those rights experience very high rates of personal and property crime. Yet they consider us backward. To the contrary we will fight to death for our right to protect our unalienable rights.
Basically, I agree with your post here. The "Progressives", i. e. the Democrats, have become downright scary over the last 8 years especially. They have become emboldened yet again to attack our very ability as The People to keep the forces of government in check. Now, I am very aware of the historical ugliness of how some folks have referred to "states rights", i. e. the "right" to own other human beings (slavery). That is downright evil. With that said, the Tenth Amendment does still matter, and the members of both the major political parties (Democrats *and* Republicans) seem to like to step all over it.
The USA is unique in a lot of ways. To my knowledge, there is only one other nation on Earth with an armed populace, and that's Switzerland, also one of the safest nations on this planet. Actual machine guns are issued to all Swiss men, who are by being Swiss a part of the Swiss Army by definition. Swiss women who choose to serve also get issued those machine guns. That's right, they've got MACHINE GUNS in homes all over Switzerland, and it's one of the safest countries on Earth where the rights of the People are taken seriously. The Swiss example is one that the Democrat/Progressives like to ignore or dismiss. That tells you that they don't have an answer for that.
It's awfully difficult to oppress an armed populace. The Swiss seem to agree with us on that point.
@cDog8766 Thnkz! :-)
you have a model 29 smith?
@valflyinf No think I think you missed my point. You are going to have a candidate that is a liberal and doesn't support guns and a candidate that is a conservative and does support guns but as a liberal who do you chose? If you chose the liberal then are you really a second amendment supporter?
I don't fit in with most of my "conservative" buddies, primarily because I'm an atheist who believes in liberty of choice, drugs, same sex marriage, abortion, whatever. And oddly, I've lost future friendships over issues of voting for smoking bans. If I found out someone voted for a smoking ban in bars and restaurants, they immediately go in the "don't hang around" club :) .
Sadly, Mr. Obama has disappointed me bitterly, all the way around. He had my lukewarm support initially over Mr. McCain in 2008...but then he showed himself to be just as bad as the rest. This go-around, I actively campaigned against him, as is my right. I've learned that there are Liberals...and then there are Democrats and Republicans. Both of the latter, it seems, are against the liberties of the individual.
Political allegiances seem to have become like religious allegiances....
*NO*. As far as I'm concerned, nearly all the state legislators in California are traitors to our Constitution. The AWB and NDAA, same thing; these are traitorous in my view.
I think if the Republicans had actually run a decent candidate instead of "John Kerry II" like they did, Liberals would've voted for them. I sure would have! But the Republicans apparently just refuse to vote for an actual Constitutionalist in their Primaries (e. g. Gary Johnson, at the time still a Republican).
@Mrcaffinebean I don't agree. We of the internet generation have knowledge and it tells us guns are compatible with liberalism. The ones who understand the very concept that guns are in fact needed for the conservation of liberalism, are in a good political spot.
opportunity, I think there are things the government *could* do better than private business, or at least at cost as opposed to for-profit, and therefore cheaper. So, while I can sympathize with the classical liberal/libertarian opposition to state coercion, I'm also not too fond of the conservative "private everything" model, to say nothing of *some* theocratic, fascistic, imperialist elements in the neo-conservative "movement." Needless to say, this makes voting rather unappealing at times.
@anotherOneMore7 This is a big reason why a lot of Californians vote for "progressive" Democrats instead of "conservative" Republicans. To them, the "progressive" Democrats are the so-called lesser of the two evils. I do want to vote pro-2A. But I absolutely will not vote for or otherwise support a Confederacy-worshiper. We, the People need to do a better job of actually supporting Constitutionalists, not just pay lip-service but then cut 'n' run when the going gets tough.
i think that really pro 2nd amend. fits very well with liberal leaning thought..because essentially guns rights are civil rights imo..what do you think?
@pylsemaker I don't think Ron Paul thinks that. I think he thinks it's up to businesses and individuals to decide how to engage in commerce. If a business owner doesn't want to serve someone based on race, it's their loss, since that person can go to that businesses competitor and give them his/her money.
The Federal government shouldn't come in and start telling everyone what to do. IIRC, that's what the constitution says.
I used to love watching your videos, but I haven't seen any in a LONG time. Did the crazy San Fran libs put a hit on you? No longer a gun guy? The curious among us would like to hear from you. You helped me, through your videos, start reloading with Lee presses and dies, and I miss you and the missus.
I enjoyed watching this video and your get it. Most liberals don't call themselves liberals I must give your credit. I am a gun loving conservative but I wish liberals were like you.
Ah, yes, there's the difference. The "talking heads" sure don't help matters. Folks would be amazed how many other San Franciscans actually do believe in real, true liberalism, as I do. We're just not talked about by the media (big surprise).
Today's Democrats are not liberals. They're pinko-Commies that are there only to serve themselves. Sadly, today's "conservative" Republicans are typically theocrat-Fascists, thus no good either. Either way, we as an electorate need to do much better.
CowboyT you gotta get over to VGOF more, this is Jakeiscrazy! As you know I support anyone supporting the second amendment, but my thing has always been this. You are going to have to pick a side at some point you know that right? I mean at some point you going to have a socially Conservative candidate that doesn't support the 2nd amendment and are you going to vote for them? That's what really defines whether you support the 2nd amendment or not.
You mean "The Most Powerful Handgun In The World"? :-) No, 'fraid not, those are still kinda pricey, unfortunately. But they are beautiful guns, and the bluing is second to none.
Actually, for .44 Magnums, I typically recommend a used Ruger Redhawk, 'cause they're great and you can get 'em for less than $500 if you shop right.
Oh, I hear ya. You'd be surprised, though, how many Libs like me there are out here. We're just not talked about in the mainstream media, including Fox News. Even the NRA News doesn't seem to like reporting on us. Maybe we don't fit any of their agendas? Nah...that couldn't be it... :-)
@sfliberal When you were last there was Kreutz around? He's also a liberal with a gun and hangs out there frequently. I think there are one or two other libs with guns on the forum. Most of u lean closer to libertarian than anything else, but that's just how I see it.
CowboyT - You are a tortured individual. The word "liberal" is driving you insane. I feel sorry for you Brother. Anybody who doesn't know who he is, has gotta be in a lot of pain.
The liberalism culture of today has support for a stronge role of goverment in regulating capitalism while construting a welfare state.. I not talking of liberalism 200 years plus ago...
SFL - you sound like you would be a fan of Ron Paul.
You betcha. it's the most Liberal thing we can be doing.
Check your private messages, BTW.
This guy is a libertarian.. Not liberal.. Liberatarian ===Smallest goverment possible.Liberal is more of a statist goverment ,such as marxism, communism,socialism,,progressives,fascism....../////Smallest gov. possible ,. That is what the conservatives are all about. Individual rights first and formost.
So either he is confussed or I am.He sounds conservative to me.
I'm a socialist liberal. I prefer 40s&w as my caliber of choice.
Sounds like libertarian to me.
@Mrcaffinebean Yo Jake, it's been a while. VGOF just doesn't seem to be too welcoming to folks like me not of "their" demographic. 'd be glad to talk w/ you, though; Shoot me an email, wouldya?