Im planning to start a new escooter company once I build the first product for it. This is good advice for how it should be marketed and what should be considered when selling the product.
@@KiziEwheels thank you. Also I probably shouldnt be asking this, but would you want to give it a try once I finish with building it? I'm planning to make it fast af (90-100mph+) for a reasonable price, and I'm planning to give it quite a large battery too so it can do some long range travel.
@KiziEwheels Well it wouldnt exactly be light (im estimating around the weight of the Dualtron X Limited). Though I would be using 13 inch tubeless tires, beefy 90H motors, and 2 180A fardriver controllers limited to 105MPH for safety, and 600 phase amps per controller. Also I would use 3D printed tpu padding on the frame to increase impact durability. The cells would be Samsung 50S cells to allow for long-term high current draw and low voltage drop. Also the brakes would be motorcycle brake calipers and triple stacked rotors, which is kinda cheap to do but there isnt any rotors that would fit the beefy motors designed for motorcycle brakes.
As the industry grows, so do the reviews, and the truly honest reviewers get the most respect. You're right about the current customers being the next customers. Anyone can pivot from one brand to another, but once we've established a "working relationship", we tend to stay in the fold. It's not necessarily the service or even the reliability that I consider most important. For me, it's the R&D, the innovation, availability of parts, and "you're right, let us fix that for you & get it back to you asap" response. I chose Apollo since it's a Canadian company so parts/shipping and keeping it "local" are pluses (I'm in Atlantic Canada). I also loved how they focused on blazing the trail on R&D, as with their flagship "Pro". It's the first scooter I saw that was IP66, the first non-boutique scooters with 12" tires (tubeless of course), but also very important for me, it's like 90lbs. It still folds & fits in my car across the back seat. Their batteries are all UL-certified too. This is going to be, if not already, an agreed-upon standard for many insurers who are forcing landlords to restrict or ban scooters from apartment units. But the Pro is $4300 CDN ($3200 USD). I can get a Nami Klima for $1k less. None of the Nami scooters' batteries are UL certified. I've heard maybe 2 reviewers (out of dozens) total suggest that Nami were *not* the best in the industry, unless we're talking boutique scooters. But Nami haven't changed or improved in the last 3+ years. What would get you to upgrade your current scooter for one above it (or a newer version of the one you have)? A smart buyer isn't going to fall for "sleek new design" nonsense, they want to know what's better this time. A company that continues to grow & innovate will win my money. I'm considering the Apollo Pro as an upgrade to my 2023 Apollo Phantom, the main reason is waterproofing. But I'm listening to the community first. It's not all roses & chocolate, never is. You have to navigate the negative vs honest. The newest E-Move that goes 130km/h is NOT the way I want to go. It's a shipping pallet with wheels & not remotely innovative. It's just a bigger battery, that's it. I'm smarter than that. Plus, 130km/h on 11" wheels? I'm way smarter than that.
You made a lot of great points, and I definitely think Apollo is on the right path of innovation. I just told them to drop the price of the $4000 Apollo Pro, which I think they did because the resale value of these electric scooters is terrible. If Apollo comes out with a new electric scooter better than the Pro and you try to resell your old Apollo Pro with only 50 miles on the aftermarket, you'll probably only get $1600 to $2000 for it. People are not going to buy new electric scooters unless they can sell their old ones for a reasonable amount. Another idea would be to trade in your old electric scooter for an upgrade option and pay the extra, like car dealerships do, but we are still far away from that happening.
It's definitely the next step from an electric scooter if you're looking for faster, safer, non-portable transportation, also some motorbikes are cheaper than electric scooters now
a little bit of honesty and integrity goes a long way. It's sad how some companies just don't get such a simple concept.
Absolutely, man. Some electric scooter companies still don't understand this simple concept.
Im planning to start a new escooter company once I build the first product for it. This is good advice for how it should be marketed and what should be considered when selling the product.
That's dope. Wishing you best of luck with your first electric scooter product and company
@@KiziEwheels thank you. Also I probably shouldnt be asking this, but would you want to give it a try once I finish with building it? I'm planning to make it fast af (90-100mph+) for a reasonable price, and I'm planning to give it quite a large battery too so it can do some long range travel.
Sounds amazing. how do you plan on keeping the scooter weight light with the big battery?
@KiziEwheels Well it wouldnt exactly be light (im estimating around the weight of the Dualtron X Limited). Though I would be using 13 inch tubeless tires, beefy 90H motors, and 2 180A fardriver controllers limited to 105MPH for safety, and 600 phase amps per controller. Also I would use 3D printed tpu padding on the frame to increase impact durability. The cells would be Samsung 50S cells to allow for long-term high current draw and low voltage drop. Also the brakes would be motorcycle brake calipers and triple stacked rotors, which is kinda cheap to do but there isnt any rotors that would fit the beefy motors designed for motorcycle brakes.
As the industry grows, so do the reviews, and the truly honest reviewers get the most respect. You're right about the current customers being the next customers. Anyone can pivot from one brand to another, but once we've established a "working relationship", we tend to stay in the fold. It's not necessarily the service or even the reliability that I consider most important. For me, it's the R&D, the innovation, availability of parts, and "you're right, let us fix that for you & get it back to you asap" response.
I chose Apollo since it's a Canadian company so parts/shipping and keeping it "local" are pluses (I'm in Atlantic Canada). I also loved how they focused on blazing the trail on R&D, as with their flagship "Pro". It's the first scooter I saw that was IP66, the first non-boutique scooters with 12" tires (tubeless of course), but also very important for me, it's like 90lbs. It still folds & fits in my car across the back seat. Their batteries are all UL-certified too. This is going to be, if not already, an agreed-upon standard for many insurers who are forcing landlords to restrict or ban scooters from apartment units. But the Pro is $4300 CDN ($3200 USD). I can get a Nami Klima for $1k less. None of the Nami scooters' batteries are UL certified. I've heard maybe 2 reviewers (out of dozens) total suggest that Nami were *not* the best in the industry, unless we're talking boutique scooters. But Nami haven't changed or improved in the last 3+ years.
What would get you to upgrade your current scooter for one above it (or a newer version of the one you have)? A smart buyer isn't going to fall for "sleek new design" nonsense, they want to know what's better this time. A company that continues to grow & innovate will win my money. I'm considering the Apollo Pro as an upgrade to my 2023 Apollo Phantom, the main reason is waterproofing. But I'm listening to the community first. It's not all roses & chocolate, never is. You have to navigate the negative vs honest. The newest E-Move that goes 130km/h is NOT the way I want to go. It's a shipping pallet with wheels & not remotely innovative. It's just a bigger battery, that's it. I'm smarter than that. Plus, 130km/h on 11" wheels? I'm way smarter than that.
You made a lot of great points, and I definitely think Apollo is on the right path of innovation. I just told them to drop the price of the $4000 Apollo Pro, which I think they did because the resale value of these electric scooters is terrible. If Apollo comes out with a new electric scooter better than the Pro and you try to resell your old Apollo Pro with only 50 miles on the aftermarket, you'll probably only get $1600 to $2000 for it. People are not going to buy new electric scooters unless they can sell their old ones for a reasonable amount. Another idea would be to trade in your old electric scooter for an upgrade option and pay the extra, like car dealerships do, but we are still far away from that happening.
Hello, Kizi what do you think of the Apollo scooters, based in Montreal Canada
I haven't not had a chance to review one yet and I keep hearing mixed feedback from Apollo owners
@@KiziEwheels thx for letting me know 👍
Are you riding a Works electric scooter?
Yes
Ok i
I after 4 years riding of scooters think that is time for motorbike.....
It's definitely the next step from an electric scooter if you're looking for faster, safer, non-portable transportation, also some motorbikes are cheaper than electric scooters now