Went to an orthodox church for the first time for saturday evening vespers and for a baptism the next morning on sunday. It was incredible. I felt like I was in an ancient monastery or temple in a little building with low ceilings leased from the city. There were large icons of saints and angels everywhere, with lamps. The incense was swung with bells around the room the small "nave" I was told it was called. The priest was very kind and everyone was kind and welcoming and most had not been born orthodox. I felt the presence of angels and heavenly creatures amd felt so much peace and joy after leaving both times. That my worries werent there for some reason while I was there. The atmosphere felt heavy with grace like a weighted blanket.
Christ is not only the ‘reason’ of existence. But rather Christ is the manner and form by which it exists. That is, Christ is the logos that shapes the universe. Christ is the”DNA”, the code, embedded in reality, in whom “we move and have our being”.
Early Christian tradition, Church Fathers, Protoevangelium of James (circa 2nd century). Christians btw never accepted sola scriptura in antiquity since: 1. It's not alluded to or pushed in the scriptures themselves and 2. The scriptures weren't available to all believers as a reading tool, traditions, liturgy, hymns, icons help the vast majority live the life of the Holy Spirit. Scriptures of course were read in parishes during a time of worship but traditions help the Gospels spread.
@larryjake7783 right, so it was made up? Jesus was born in Bethlehem, as the scriptures declare, not some cave. Luke 2:4-6 4 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them. Any valid tradition will always be authenticated by the word of God. That cave theory does not line up with what God said.
@@333Paradigm333 With all due respect 🙏🏾, Chirstians and Christianity of the 1st millenia followed both holy tradition and scriptures as authority. Your framing is a late aberration and it unfortunately makes you believe you should go by scriptures alone which ironically is a made up concept. The cave doesn't contradict scriptures, as caves are often where animals were kept in (i.e. a manger). You needing it to say "cave" in the scriptures is the same "exact word concept fallacy" that anti Chirstians use. You have a post schism understanding of the deposit of faith unfortunately. Tradition doesn't contradict scriptures and vice versa, that applies to the cave as well. Traditions doesn't mean made up out of thin air, 2Timothy 2:2 and 2Thess 2:15, Saint Paul mentions oral Traditions. Again this notion of a cave was taught in the early church.
@@larryjake7783 Fair enough, I stand corrected. I do see that there is early church tradition, and in this case I don't mind that being the case as it is not in opposition to any scriptures. Jesus being born in a local Bethlehem cave where people were keeping their animals could very well be true.
If a junkie mother literally throws her new born into dumpster is that child saved and how? I'm really struggling with this. Seems, salvation is a club for "better" people.
@@1111Tactical Tradition says he was born in a "barn" connected to the family home in which the guest room was full of family members, who had come to Bethlehem for the census. Maybe the "cave' or dug out for the farm animals in which our Christ was laid in a manger.
I think because he’s talking to people like me. It is a wild story to believe from my perspective, and I don’t find it very sensical as a purely literal story, so the symbolism brings people like me in and now I can accept the literal. Two ways to get to the same truth my friend.
Its literal because its symbolic and not symbolic because its literal. He is trying to combat the materialist viewpoint that has infected modern society.
@@wyattfuchs8079 Scripture everything thing Yeshua did was according to prophecy and the Feasts of Yehovah and Christmas is not a Hebrew God ordained anything.
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Went to an orthodox church for the first time for saturday evening vespers and for a baptism the next morning on sunday. It was incredible. I felt like I was in an ancient monastery or temple in a little building with low ceilings leased from the city. There were large icons of saints and angels everywhere, with lamps. The incense was swung with bells around the room the small "nave" I was told it was called. The priest was very kind and everyone was kind and welcoming and most had not been born orthodox. I felt the presence of angels and heavenly creatures amd felt so much peace and joy after leaving both times. That my worries werent there for some reason while I was there. The atmosphere felt heavy with grace like a weighted blanket.
Christ is not only the ‘reason’ of existence. But rather Christ is the manner and form by which it exists. That is, Christ is the logos that shapes the universe. Christ is the”DNA”, the code, embedded in reality, in whom “we move and have our being”.
This video is like a compact treasure chest full of gems. Καλα Χριστουγεννα!
Glorify him!
Bless you, Jonathan, and a Merry Christmas to you and yours... 🙏
How lovely To see a passion on its place, keep going man. I can see the seeds spreading
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I feel I now read GENESIS completely.
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Could this also be the symbolic or literal birth of the New Adam, per Romans epistle. Jesus as the new Man made of the earth (adamah).
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Interesting, where does it say that Jesus was born in a cave?
Early Christian tradition, Church Fathers, Protoevangelium of James (circa 2nd century).
Christians btw never accepted sola scriptura in antiquity since: 1. It's not alluded to or pushed in the scriptures themselves and 2. The scriptures weren't available to all believers as a reading tool, traditions, liturgy, hymns, icons help the vast majority live the life of the Holy Spirit.
Scriptures of course were read in parishes during a time of worship but traditions help the Gospels spread.
@larryjake7783 right, so it was made up? Jesus was born in Bethlehem, as the scriptures declare, not some cave.
Luke 2:4-6
4 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.
Any valid tradition will always be authenticated by the word of God. That cave theory does not line up with what God said.
@@333Paradigm333 With all due respect 🙏🏾, Chirstians and Christianity of the 1st millenia followed both holy tradition and scriptures as authority.
Your framing is a late aberration and it unfortunately makes you believe you should go by scriptures alone which ironically is a made up concept.
The cave doesn't contradict scriptures, as caves are often where animals were kept in (i.e. a manger). You needing it to say "cave" in the scriptures is the same "exact word concept fallacy" that anti Chirstians use.
You have a post schism understanding of the deposit of faith unfortunately. Tradition doesn't contradict scriptures and vice versa, that applies to the cave as well.
Traditions doesn't mean made up out of thin air, 2Timothy 2:2 and 2Thess 2:15, Saint Paul mentions oral Traditions.
Again this notion of a cave was taught in the early church.
@@larryjake7783 Fair enough, I stand corrected. I do see that there is early church tradition, and in this case I don't mind that being the case as it is not in opposition to any scriptures. Jesus being born in a local Bethlehem cave where people were keeping their animals could very well be true.
Y si no nació en Diciembre
If a junkie mother literally throws her new born into dumpster is that child saved and how?
I'm really struggling with this.
Seems, salvation is a club for "better" people.
Is the birth of Christ earlier than that December date though, like in September instead?
11 September 3BC... I read that somewhere once in a book. But who knows!
@@leondbleondbHerod died in 4BC so that’s unlikely
December birthday, March conception and crucifixion. Womb to tomb.
@@leondbleondbi thought it was april
Thought he was born in a manger though?
Yes, one that was in a cave
@ a manger in a cave? Was the cave in a valley in a desert?
@@GodwardPodcast what correlation are you trying to make by adding a desert and a valley?
@@1111Tactical Tradition says he was born in a "barn" connected to the family home in which the guest room was full of family members, who had come to Bethlehem for the census. Maybe the "cave' or dug out for the farm animals in which our Christ was laid in a manger.
@@herobornmusic I'm just adding other things that it doesn't say in the Bible.
But it’s not crazy. It’s true. And it’s sensical. Why does it feel often like Pageau is implying things were symbolic but not literal??
I think because he’s talking to people like me. It is a wild story to believe from my perspective, and I don’t find it very sensical as a purely literal story, so the symbolism brings people like me in and now I can accept the literal. Two ways to get to the same truth my friend.
Its literal because its symbolic and not symbolic because its literal. He is trying to combat the materialist viewpoint that has infected modern society.
@@David-vk5svthere are 4 senses of scripture, one being historical, another being allegorical, allegorical relies on historical
@@jawokenn8766 allegory and symbolism are not the same. You can think of it as the historical happening as the intersection of symbolism.
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That is a lie Yeshua was born in a Tabernacle during Tabernacles not a cave and laid in a manger
Source: *trust me bro*
@@wyattfuchs8079 Scripture everything thing Yeshua did was according to prophecy and the Feasts of Yehovah and Christmas is not a Hebrew God ordained anything.