Why the 2027 Diesel Emissions Standards will cost BILLIONS!
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2023
- In this video we are discussing the 2027 upcoming changes to the Diesel Engine Truck market. AdeptApe@yahoo.com on PayPal.
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Warranty is great. Till your truck is down zt the desler for 3 months waiting for "free" repair. At least the repo man knows where it is.
This is exactly the reason the company I drove for locally leased a truck from a major leasing company. When my truck was in the shop they had a loaner. Sad that we had to research who had the best loaner program so we could lease a overpriced truck from them.
Warranty claims, that involve emissions, as well as truck payments while it’s down, should be charged to California.
Steve!!! Good to see you here.
Exactly the reason I bought a 2006 Peterbilt 379 with a C15. I talked to a lot of owners and shop guys before I bought my truck.
So that’s why you need three trucks, one at dealership, one on the road and one as repo bait. By the time #3 goes you’ll be ready for upgrade
The longer that this plays out the more and more respect I have for Caterpillar for just stepping back from the trucking world even though they did have the best engines
Disagree, series 60 was best engine
That’s not why they stepped back. They were getting forced out. OEM’s want to sell their own engines. That’s why even Cummins is being strongarmed out of DTNA and Mack/Volvo products
yessir
@@kolinstallman3788 This is the problem when you have insane people in charge!!
That's debatable
If states can ignore federal drug laws then states can ignore federal emissions laws as well.
You'll have a bunch of states where an old pre-emission truck is still legal and a bunch where it wont be, making it realistically unfeasible to drive OTR with one that isn't EPA compliant. The days of 1 guy making a living with his own truck are numbered so enjoy it while it lasts. Only rich guys will be able to afford the red tape that comes along with it, and how many rich guys do you know that want to drive a truck for a living?
The problem is crossing states.
@@DylanClements98 enforced by state patrol......they are state jurisdiction, state funded.
@@sailingaeolus MAY I CORRECT YOU . ITS WORLD LEADER NOW ACORDING TO THE WORLD ECONOMIC FORUM. WHO OWN THE SCIENCE.
Yes, they can refuse to enforce whatever they want. But once you cross state lines, become subject to enforcement by a federal Leo, etc. It’s different
Unless the state makes enforcement of the law by feds illegal like some states/counties do for gun laws
Remember that all these increases in cost WILL be paid for by the end consumer, our groceries will go up, and everything else that is transported by a internal combustion engine, someone has to pay, and it won’t be the corporations, it will be the public.
Everything goes on a truck at some point... everything
Yup. The bureaucrats and their corporate butt buddies have been in bed for a long time. Their only two goals are to suppress the public, and get rich off the public. And they’re damn good at it.
@@robflammia4716 not everything. my garden vegetables never went on a truck for example.
Pretty sure you know as well as I do they meant any purchased goods... Smartass....@@SoloRenegade
@@SoloRenegadeaha, where did you get seed fo them?
I will never ever let my glider with a Detroit go. Even if the truck rotted away or got wrecked, the engine will be going in a new truck. This is all just insane. My friends that are running brand new trucks are in worse financial situations than me in a truck with over a million miles on it. It’s sickening the public is treated this way and we have to foot the bill. We pay fortunes in taxes and then get forced to pay for this nonsense on top of it, not to mention insane downtime for parts/repair.
Friend of mine just got into trucking. His 21 Freightliner has broken down twice in 2 weeks.
Gliders are basically dead, I haven’t been able to find any companies still building them.
This is their goal. It’s what they want to happen. Because they are not for the people.
Glider's aren't allowed in CA. Many more states will follow.
Blame it on the california ecohippies and their stupid carb and the rest of the country bending over
This is why I’ll keep rebuilding my c15 til they stop making the parts for them
You’re in luck because CAT now has a program to replace your engine with a brand new content engine. If you got the money you can buy a brand new C15 and never worry about cheap aftermarket parts for at least another 500k miles.
Realistically that wont ever happen. They still make parts for almost every mainstream internal combustion engine ever made since the WW2 era and probably prior to. Why? Because there is a profit motive to do so. What will happen in the next 10-15 years is the feds will just follow the California model and ban any non-compliant engine from on-highway use and not allow you to register it unless it's an antique or historical registration. It will be a state to state thing since all vehicles are registered according to what state they are domiciled in but all lower 48 states and probably all of Canada will agree to it. Or the red states will be slower to adopt it making it a patchwork nightmare of what states your truck is legal to operate in. Non-compliant trucks will be relegated to intrastate and local work but running the road in one will probably be out of the question from a legal and practical standpoint. maybe you could run a dirty rig in a block of flyover states for awhile but any west or east coast will be off limits since that's where all the "commonists" live.
Facts brother same here love my cat C15 to the end of time
The EPA is so politicized - it WANTS high repair costs in order to force truckers to invest in EV-powered vehicles.
They get rich predicting the downfall of a market they intentionally destroy.
Didn't the Supreme Court say they need legislation to keep changing regulations like this? Congress should do their job and stop this interference.
People's livelihoods shouldn't be threatened just because they want to virtue signal about climate change.
Most truckers wont be able to invest in a $400k truck.
Pity the whole motor industry cannot stand together and refuse to supply and governments with any vehicle. The president must be forced to ride a horse! See how quick the EPA are history.
They’re getting sued now actually by a couple of states and plus I think they’re just trying to force electric vehicles on people
Can’t wait to be working on an even more complex emissions system
nah just get a new cat in a old truck
Always love the next challenge
There is no free lunch, sorry about that.
I feel your sarcasm.
This stuff is getting ridiculous.
It's a disturbing situation. Congress even very recently passed legislation which would have nullified this new EPA rule. But, guess who vetoed the legislation? I like how Rep. Dan Crenshaw put it last week during the House Energy Committee hearing: this EPA is attacking our way of life.
Dan is only saying that to gain trust, for the next time when he backstabs good legislation.
Dan is a fucking cuck who WILL stab you in the back. He just pays lip service.
I trust eye patch McCain like I trust a needle on the ground in East stl
My 2001 tractor engine is last years of good ones. No def. No dpf. No egr. Fully mechanical injection. And just for the lack of dpf it doesn't have to stay idling at 2000rpm for half hour doing regen. That is saving the environment right there.
Exactly. Most people don't think about the extra materials, resources and time that goes into manufacturing the entire def system, not to mention making the fluid itself and all the millions of plastic jugs that contain it. Then all the extra wear on the engine and components to sit there and high idle for 30mins, and all the fuel that burns. And all the man hours and resources to maintain the system.
Obviously I could be wrong, but if ALL the above is factored in, my opinion is the new ones pollute worse, while being terribly unreliable and costing more to maintain and operate. It's a lose lose.
You're right, making more materials can actually still pollute the environment.
An engine that old can’t move a 76k lb fire truck
@@mauricemotors8207I promise you it can. Ever seen a 1970s haul truck? They can still easily move 50 tons of rock.
@@mauricemotors8207what does a 2001 unspecified engine size in a unspecified tractor have to do with moving a 76,000 lb firetruck?
They really need to find a more reliable treatment system if they are going to keep pushing this stuff.
Ask the germans😉.
Military should have to follow the same standard. No exemptions
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if they do that then what kind of parts and service are they going to sell
I agree with you but it's just like alternative fuels they won't do it because there is to much money lost in repairs, truck stops selling Def and diesel so it will never happen
Nah, they can just keep spending and let inflation handle the taxation. All their assets will hold value while the sheeple starve and vote for their lies.
The people who will ultimately pay for all this is you and me. Every time we buy something. Those costs and likely extra fleet downtime costs all find their way to the consumer. Usually with a little margin added!
Warranties don't cover downtime, and downtime is what hurts a truck owner the most financially speaking
Nothing like a lemon 🍋 to break a business
What if you could swing by a truck center approved by the manufacturer, diagnose the system, order parts to a convenient location and then swing by there when you are near enough. But wait, you cant even move your truck while there's a fault, It's there, not moving until the part arrives a few days, weeks or months later. No wonder some jerry-rig the sensors until part come.
@@arneanka4633 What if you could plug your laptop/phone into your truck and it can diagnose your truck for you? (as it should be)
We shouldn’t have to rely on the manufacturer to provide special, one-of-a-kind diagnostics equipment.
How did “WE THE PEOPLE” allow these greedy criminals lead our country?!?!?
Humanity and the planet have no representative because the American people have successfully destroyed every real man that ever lived.
Because you and the rest of us are too chicken sh*t to take our country back.
The whole country is based off greed, everything about it. That's what capitalism in the US is, how much money can everyone take from someone else.
We didn’t they elected themselves.
inch by inch. step by step. Here comes another tiny step. YOU are letting it slide. We all let it slide so here we are. Revolution will come though. Time to be strength training.
If the federal government continues to demand that manufacturers and trucking companies install and use unreliable emissions components they can back the parts and labor. This has been ongoing for nearly 20 years and the emission systems continue to be the most unreliable part of the truck.
And what's worse, if the system senses something funky, it puts the engine in limp mode and you may need a tow. Even if the repair is covered, the cost of standing by the roadside for hours lands on you. If they didn't cripple you and let you drive to your destination and plan a repair as soon as possible.
The government doesn't demand that manufacturers install and use anything. The government just creates the emissions standards. It's up to the manufacturers to create reliable ways of meeting those standards.
And moreover what doRC said, when people say "the government needs to pay for-...." what they don't realize is that means 'we' need to pay. Government funded = taxpayer funded. Please stop with that kind of rhetoric. It's very dumb and very self destructive.
@@nothanksgoogle5879 it's crazy how many people can't seem to understand that...
@nothanksgoogle5879 people demanding compensation for the destructive path that government needlessly sent them down is appropriate.
So here’s a question. Are emissions standards tied to the truck or the engine…..
I guess what I’m asking is, can I start taking 80s and 90s peterbilt and Kenworth trucks, stripping them down, rebuilding them with new engines and drivetrains minus emissions equipment, adding modern comforts, and reselling them as “remanned trucks”. Cuz if that would work I imagine it would be quite the lucrative market with all the issues todays trucks are having
Emissions are ultimately tied to the truck.
What you’re talking about are glider kits where an old model engine can get put into a new chassis. But, that “loophole” got closed to where basically all new trucks have to meet the current emissions for when it was built.
As an individual doing your own trucks you could probably get away with it if it’s only a few trucks.
If you’re a company building them or someone trying to sell them it isn’t gonna fly for very long before they start throwing big fines and such at you.
Would be great if the emissions components were standardized and made more universal to drive the cost down, increase availability, which would minimize down time.
Would also be great if the EPA also mandated that these systems were completely open to universal scan tools and the diagnostic data was distributed.
But instead these guys lock you out, make everything proprietary, and when it breaks force you to get off the road.
It's a racket set up by the EPA and manufacturers. If they actually cared they would be making things easier instead of harder. Gee I wonder why people want to delete everything 🤔🙄
Great idea.
Cars share horns, relays all kinds of generic stuff.
Why not egr valve
You can actually purchase the software for trucks and engines from the manufacturers pretty easy. The cost is cheaper compared to aftermarket readers and the OEM software usually comes with the troubleshooting manuals. Insite is only $700 and Diagnostic link(Freightliner) is like $500.
its EPA being lobbied not to make diagnostic systems and emissions systems universal*
The only ones who benefit from ease of repair and reliability are the consumers and the truck owners...
There's no profit in it. Follow the money. X(
Not that simple I don't think. Maybe the sensors.
What I would like to know, is how does the EPA come up with all these regulations. How do they know it’s even possible for manufactures to meet those demands by those years? Do they pull those numbers out of a hat? Do they actually sit down with engineers? I’m all about having a clean environment, but it seems like they expect no pollution out of anything now on days, it’s just part of the trade of.
Because they’re tyrannical bullies and they think it’s cute and fun to bully people like us
@salo1808 - Why would you assume that there’s an ounce of common sense involved in anything associated with the EPA? Their goal has nothing to do with companies being able to meet these regulations. If you think it’s bad in regard to vehicle regulations, you should try dealing with fixed source air permits. The EPA is there to reinforce and police the goals of the climate alarmists who consider the issue to be their religion. There’s nothing they would like better than to break the diesel and trucking industries.
I'm curious of this too. These people making the decisions have no idea what is really going on, but that applies to a lot of large businesses and everything.
By slowly pushing it further and further those who cannot meet standards will no longer be able to manufacture new trucks. slowly trying to put an end to diesel trucks and further force the electric wave onto everyone
They don't care ......they just make this shit up and put it out there
I wonder if Mexican trucks will be subject to this overreach. Bet not, and I bet they let them run our roads.
Sounds like you need to move to Mexico then.
They require DPF but DEF not mandatory yet
@@inothome I'd consider it if there were any realistic way of doing it legally. Canada and Mexico are very strict about legal immigration into their countries believe it or not.
New trucks sold in the Mexican market must adhere to euro 6 or us10 emissions. Basically the same thing as the states, less ghg restrictions.
This is probably why Cat built that new C13 engine for off highway applications, to help meet these new standards.
You know it's all good when the government tells you how to run your business.
When things get more expensive for the trucking industry, *everything* gets more expensive for everyone.
Good video, but 450,000 miles is nothing to an owner operator. Three years and they have surpassed the miles. I had two trucks and 150,000 miles a year was nothing. I traded my trucks every two and a half years. That way, there was still warranty left for the next buyer, and I got a better trade in price. Of course this was twenty three years ago. Finally sold my trucks and now sitting in the park in Duluth, Mn. in the winter feeding pigeons.
Warranty doesn’t mean much when parts are back ordered for 6 months
I predict higher prices for new trucks, causing reduced sales. Manufacturers will not be happy. EPA should be called upon to have independent economic analysis to prove thje worth of all their regulations. Congress should be forced to put the regulations to a vote rather than being able to blame EPA for all the problems. Many states have zero pollution problems, and should not be subject to onerous EPA regulations.
This line of reasoning is predicated on the assumption that the EPA is actually trying to clean up the air. However much of these regulations are being which is trying to disassemble Western Civilization at this point in time.
So there should be a technical economic analysis independent of the government, but then Diane Feinstein and chuck grassley should write technical emissions regulations. Yeah that makes sense.
They want to make independent trucking much more expensive and regulated so that only big corporations can afford and keep up with the tighter regulations, Forcing drivers to sign onto companies with whole fleets of these highly regulated vehicles. "You will own nothing and be happy"
Very good perspective, they want its so If you can't beat them join them
They have been doing this for 25 years & they will succeed in anything they plan. Americans are a bunch of push-overs, scared cowards.
Exactly. And the big carriers who will survive will all remain curiously non-critical of The Current Thing movements we will see, because they perceive that any criticism of the regime will suffer in their bottom line.
Yep, have a small handful of giant corporations run everything. And then deem them to big to fail so they'll get bailouts when times get tough and small startups will be impossible. Make trucks smarter so you can make the driver dumber and pay them less. Anyone messes up they're out and the next rookie is in. We're experiencing the last couple good years of a once great industry. It's already so much worse than 10 years ago and it just keeps going downhill
I work for a large fleet of class 8 trucks, all with modern emission systems, the majority of the emission failures are beyond the 450k mile interval, very rarely do the major components, DPFs, DEF pump, etc, fail before. The most common failure is sensors, (Nox sensors, soot sensors, etc). Unless, the driver did something wrong, IE put diesel in the DEF tank, putting off regens until the truck is fully derated and wont go beyond 5mph/engine shutdown.
Lol you talk like 450k is a lot. That's only a few years of trucking. For Old school diesels 450k is literally only half the life if that and when time came you could do an inflame over a weekend if you're fast and had the equipment. The point is giant companies Wil be fine they just get rid of them every 2 years. What about small guys? Construction companies and such arent going to be able to pay for a newer truck. By the time they get it it'll be nothing but trouble every day and that'll start a chain effect in society. It will effect you too don't worry
I work with a major manufacturer OEM warranty and everyone should get the extended coverage (ain't cheap) when you buy a new truck. Most get 500000 mile aftertreatment warranty, some can get up to 750000 mile warranty. As you said, it's the least reliable components on the truck, so the warranty is almost always worth it in the end. I'm sure they'll find a way to bake the mandatory extended coverage in the price the truck going forward though.
In this day and age, buying extended warranty is king. Even with the bumper to bumper chassis warranty on highway trucks, from experience I've found you get back more in repairs vs what you pay for the warranty over the life of the truck.
On a side note, I've seen people save the $2k on extended transmission coverage only to be faced with a $10k-15k bill down the road during the normal warranty period they opted out of. Long story short....get the warranty.
Similar to "power by hour" on (turbine/jet) aircraft engines.
Let me see you work work for a warranty company and think we should all buy a warranty from you because it's better of us... I think not. What business can lose money continuously? None! They wouldn't be in business if they paid out more then it cost.
Sooner or later we’re going to buy horses to pull cargo cross country
or maybe remind the government who works for whom
The marine diesel industry is just getting into the exhaust treatment world.
Any boat over 90 feet has to meet stricter emissions standards.
This is why Viking dropped the 92 from their lineup.
These boats will require hundreds of gallons of DEF to meet emissions.
In an already tight engine room I don’t see where adding a 1500 degree SCR system will go wrong.
I say 80 to 90 percent of check Eng lights are def system related,,, it’s ruined the heavy truck engine,, there no longer reliable
Working as intended. The malfunction indicator lamp (MIL) or check engine lamp by OBD and HD- OBD standards is meant to illuminate when an emissions critical component is out of range or malfunctioning.
@@jedidiah4004The check engine light is working as intended. I dont think anyone's complaining about that. But the fact that, as OP states, 80% of the time, the failed component is adblue/def related, says a lot about these systems. I work as a diesel mechanic in the UK on MAN trucks, and we spend more time diagnosing and replacing adblue components than anything else.
I'll run my two old trucks till I call her a day.
Like others have said, even wrecked I'll fix it.
This all about making a diesel powered truck cost Moore than an electrical one!
Funny how the epa said that Diesel engines with DEF are safe to breath in there fumes
Yet.. New Jersey , Mass, NY etc etc all the blue states it’s illegal to idle..
Funny i get light headed when im around a def trk exhaust and a pure diesel exhaust doesnt bother me that much
When I was a kid I worked with my dad in winter sometimes and I would stand in front of the exhaust on his mini ex to stay warm. I tried that on a newer machine last winter and it was the most noxious stuff I ever breathed
when people can't get their food and supplies or if they can and cost a small fortune we will see how long this last
not to mention supply of def here were I live still has supply back backup and price per trip since def also costs money....
If you go up north it freezes a lot even with all of the precautions that the pumps have heaters built in them heaters wrapped around the def lines from the tank it's still freezes up The great thing about it is when you try to get def every time you get fuel and you can't get it anywhere and the tank gets empty it cuts your power back to where you can't hardly drive at all and then you're broke down because you don't have enough power to climb a hill because you wanted to buy some but you can't
@@RUclipsviolatesmy1stamendment live in Ontario so know that all to well...
Do you think there's any way someone like me a truck driver could ever get the EPA to ever listen to how they are destroying the truck industry? Or would actually care.
That's funny
And it's all 🦬💩
These regulations backfire terribly... The newly compliant engines usually run much worse. My tractor has one of these BS systems that requires tons of rare earth metals to manufacture and now the only way it runs is in max RPMs. Much worse for the environment overall so some BS bureaucrat can say standards became harsher.
This will cost consumers billions, the costs will all be passed on to the consumer.
It's amazing the amount of pollution created in the pursuit of lowering emissions.
As a truck shop owner for over 30 years, I can honestly say I’ve seen many, many grown men cry over their def system related problems. Can’t get the parts, down time. It’s very sad.
That's okay, I don't want my grandkids breathing pollutants. Let the grown men cry
@@consumercellc1109If you don't want grandkids breathing pollutants tell your president to quit supporting and sending weapons that offset any carbon emissions vehicles produce
@@consumercellc1109 oh don't worry the increase in all this will be passed along to you. And don't worry either about your grandkids breathing in Diesel that is harmless. All kids now will have a short life from birth their food is gmo and sprayed with pesticides and other preservatives. All the water is contaminated. The school system fills their mind with j00іsh nonsense. Do you think they'll ever own a home or car? No. They work some office job living in some apartment until the day they drop. Live in the coming years is going to get very very controlled and you're worrying about diesels lol
At work I drive trucks with mileage that runs from 300,000 to 1.5 million and they are in the shop every 3 weeks without fail for an emissions problem. It's a joke and it doesn't matter which brand truck with which engine or the mileage. Hopefully the extended warranty period will motivate the manufacturers to improve the quality of these systems, but I doubt it.
As if they weren't strict enough already. Reducing emissions locally but increasing them elsewhere.
To make it worse, in California (and other CARB states I believe) they put a cap on the maximum age and mileage of trucks, forcing the purchase of a new truck
Kinda sucks because the delivery of a new truck may take years after its ordered, and you're left with an otherwise functional truck that can no longer be registered
Everyone boycott Cali. Let the crops rot in the fields.
Sounds wastefull af
Califonia is on a highway to disaster. The exit is rapidly approaching,
Simple answer to that is boycott the states that demand new updated equipment. Let them starve they will soon rescind an order like that if they cant get any product. Its time the trucking industry started acting like business men and women instead of stupid morons allowing themselves to be lead to slaughter by communist states and their dictator tactics. Realize that the largest workforce in north america is the trucking industry. We can leed instead of follow. It just takes some intelligence and back bone to make things better. I am a 45yr veteran of the industry and have seen the trucking industry thrive on stupidity for too long. Hail Jimmy Hoffa
How is buying a new truck instead of driving the used one that works better for "carbon footprint"? The same people writing these laws are flying around on private jets, which are basically burning a variant of diesel. There's no aftertreatment system on jet engines, and the lithium mining for large batteries is a nasty process.
Make Trucking Great Again!
That was fantastic!!
Very informative post!!!
How many pages!? That's why you ask AI for a summary. 😂
Proves again Caterpillar made the correct decision to stop making on the road truck engines.
Count on more breakdowns and more costs to the operator.
I wish more people would pay attention to this. The consumer getting products/services provided by diesel engines will be footing this massive bill at the end of the day.
That is good news. Since a lot of people hate DEF and do deletes only because the dealer only covers 100k and they are super expensive to fix. Manufacturers had plenty of time since the last revision of the standards to get systems right.
Until your truck is sitting at the dealership for 3 months waiting to get in.
Have you considered that it's not technically possible???
they never "Burn" right in Cold Temps, and gums up the Filter after about a Month to the point where no Re-Gen will clean it.
They are still not right. It may be improved, but still horribly unreliable.
@tdashkevich emissions are here to stay. The better design needed and waiting to get in is a dealer issue, not a manufacturer.
I've been saying for a long time they need to knuckle down on these manufacturers to get their act together and make them foot the bill for not testing out components before they just shove them out and use the customer as their quality control.
Blame the gov for giving them deadlines before the technology is created
Obviously no-one listens to you. That should tell you something.
You're angry w/the wrong entity, focus on the clown world @ the EPA. If you can do it better, please show us how.
Or people who ,,chiptune,, and turbo upgrate their engine?
That happened in 2005 .
Could the people who actually need diesel motors for our job ever get the EPA to listen to us?
Looks like I will need to galvanize the frame and body of my old diesel pickup.
Thanks , your perspective is valued $$$. Again, many thanks until you're better paid!
Life is gonna get really hard and really expensive thanks for sharing
This is starting to effect railroads aswell California just introduced by 2035 all locomotives must meet current emissions and basically just gave a death sentence to all the short lines in cali that can’t afford new emissions compliant locomotives they must also be less than 23 years old
Congress needs to step in and moderate the completely unbridled and seemingly unlimited powers of the EPA. That agency is destroying this country’s ability to move goods. By appearances, it’s the mission of the EPA to grind this country’s evening to a halt
You make many valid points. Lawmakers often don’t fully account for unforeseen consequences. But the reality is so many truck owners illegally modify their trucks often increasing emissions by 100 times or more. These are the guys driving the EPA to ever tougher standards. It’s like the drunks in the back of the movie theater ruining it for everyone else. If truck owners and operators would just comply with the current standards we wouldn’t need even tighter standards. But they’re often a rebellious bunch and it’s going to work against them in the long run. Go ahead and keep throwing your beer bottles at the movie screen. It’s going to hurt you in the end.
Yet again the people in charge that actually sets the standards have no clue about either real life or engineering, as you said modern diesels are really clean, new trucks in sweden on some or alot of truck engine they've changed the firing order to reduce fuel consumption
All that means is your truck will be at the dealer for months. No parts etc. gona be a joke and what will happen is if you want your truck your fix it yourself. Hahahahhaha. EPA will bankrupt our country
That's the plan. They want to replace our country with the North American Union, a copy of the European Union. First they have to break our faith in the United States of America and that bankruptcy and business collapse will make them personally rich.
That's the plan...You didn't know ?...
You need three trucks to probably have one when you need it. Two at the dealership and cross your fingers, the one you are in.
I think its time they made CNG premix in the air standard for all diesels. It could probably negate the need for half the other emissions control equipment, while saving on some fuel costs and increasing power.
*diesel gas truck prices* are about to skyrocket. That's intentional because we don't want them around anymore, in general. The unpriced externalities associated with them are WAY too high.
It's time for truck drivers to organize. If they stopped driving for even a day it would have a massive impact, let alone a few days. If trucks stopped rolling for even 3 days you would see mass panic as stores run out of products, grocery stores out of food and gas stations without any fuel. That's just the start, manufacturing plants, power companies, basically everything would be effected if truckers went on strike. EPA would have no choice but to backtrack and fast. Even the national guard couldn't put a dent in deliveries it truckers parked their trucks.
Funny thing, shipping/cargo industry, military, and aviation industry is exempt from all emission standards. Just us the tax payers and our few diesel vehicles on the road.
Your thoughts are right on. Great job!
We need to have a Boston Tea Party kind of event over the nonsense diesel emissions standards. The imposition of these measures is literally ruining livelihoods due to downtime and cost of repair, while having a less-than negligible positive effect on the environment. As a mechanic who works on these systems daily, I see the negative effects of these systems firsthand on businessmen and their families. Warranty doesn't help much when a customer's main piece of equipment is down for 6 months waiting for a ridiculous component like a DEF injector to arrive.
Emissions system already cost us an average of $6k to fix
That’s it? Some trucks have been mechanically totaled because of it.
I love the smell of raw diesel exhaust no DPF.
People used to keep their trucks for millions of miles but now with emissions stuff nobody wants to keep them past 500k miles mark. How is this helping the environment, if we encourage people to get rid off stuff earlier in its lifespan?
Can some explain to me why a farm tractor needs a DPF and a SCR system?
Because some people richer than you said so
Anything about 25 hp needs doc or dpf. Above 75 hp scr
@@rontopping2048 that is a regulation, not a scientific explanation
@@phprofYT Explanation? Well it pollutes like anything else that burns diesel.
Well one thing is for sure if the manufacturer is going to have to stand behind a system 5x as long they will get more reliable. We're smart enough to make it happen.
Thanks for the info love your videos
I will stick to my 40 year old mack.
I just took a 4 hour trip the other day and noticed alot of trucks for sale by owners ops
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More to come when the (delayed by FED intervention) comes ripping through💣
These MFGs can’t keep the current aftertreatment system functioning properly now, never mind increasing the standards to put a higher demand on those systems. Our fleet is going to see more downtime than ever before. 🤦🏻♂️
So basically, costs go up for truck owners, which means delivery costs will go up for almost everything we buy.
Once again this will mostly affect those at the bottom of the socioeconomic heap who can least afford it.
Yep that sounds about right, somethin ain't workin double down and force it to work!
One good thing about the warranty explanation is that it MIGHT force the manufacturers to start making more reliable systems OR push back against the EPA.
Those environMENTAL people are like a machine. They never stop coming.
*couch* communists *cough*
My take on what you said Josh is a couple things. 1. If they extend the warranty coverage out that much it will keep people from deleting them as much or at least as quickly as they have been. 2. A big reason in my opinion anyways is the cost of an Cascadia sleeper is say $180,000 the eCascadia in the same configuration is probably $275,000+, so if they can bridge the gap in price it’ll give more of an incentive to try and force people into trying that route. My .02 though
I guess the very distant light at the end of the tunnel is that maybe these manufacturers will develop more reliable emissions systems. That’s wishful thinking though.
As long as they don’t ban 6NZs, I’ll be good.
They will. Might take a decade but all pre-emission rigs will eventually be banned from on-highway use. I can see it plain as day. That's where it's going. They won't make you sell your truck or destroy it or anything, you just wont be allowed to haul for hire with it.
The extra warranty is a double edge sword with a frayed handle.
The major benefit will be that the manufacturers will be forced to develop pollution reduction systems that actually work and are not simply bandaids stuck on to get the vehicles to comply until the warranty runs out.
Just means Walmart and the big companies will buy the new trucks. Most will just keep the old ones. We spend millions a year just on emission related codes everyday. That’s the only thing that brakes down on our fleet 95% if the time. It’s bullshit
would be nice if the epa focused on leaded aviation fuel which is actually toxic instead of pseudo-polluters like diesels
Homo sapiens have evolved into lithium miners that grow marijuana indoors and complain about power outages.
They also make decisions from their gravestone and Tweet passive aggressively.
Medical and recreational marijuana will keep the price up so we never build anything out of it or use it for fuel. Construction waste could have been medicine like it was long ago.
Americans burn more oil by smoking it.
It costs something like $2000 to send the DPF out to be cleaned now. Absolutely insane.
Thanks Brandon.
Its hard to say what itll actually do with new engines. Internationals new s13 is actually removing alot of emissions components. It has an egr valve to heat up the aftertreatment system but no egr cooler, doc, or dpf. Just scr and def and from my understanding should be within the guidelines for the new standards as its supposed to be the last diesel engine international offers. I do believe that cummins also just created a new medium duty engine and theyre kind of doing the same thing. So its possible that we wont be seeing any extra components on newer emissions systems but less components and more simplistic. Im sure theres a still a catch to all of that though.
instant engine power reduction to idle.
This week ,I had a def injector module fail,but it was 10 years old and worked for 600k,that’s the 1st failure the system has had since I owned the truck,also the dealership said there is no record of a previous failure,I have 3 trucks with this def system,this was my first problem,my experience with the truck is,do the maintenance on time ,what the manufacturer says,don’t chip the engine,basically look after the whole truck,because it is all interconnected,I am really saying the manufacturer will say maintenance will be under there control,because that will be the only way the manufacturer can ensure the truck is being looked after.
Hey Josh, I bet that old Freightliner that pulled his trailer axles off had a CAT engine...3406E maybe eh?...lotta power right there :D
Don't forget quarterly emissions testing for all commercial diesel trucks in CA starting in 2025.
I had all the emissions system removed from my truck, it was well worth it.
What needs to be done if they want to clean things up is just provide incentives to develop carbon neutral renewable fuels, that way an engine can still have CO2 emissions without them 'contributing to climate change' (a point I'm still not convinced about.)
Meanwhile the government is exempt from following these regulations, I see brand new trucks being shipped to them with no emissions all the time.
So they are going to charge more to pay for their warranty exposure, they are going to charge more to pay for the more effective components, and they are going to charge more to develop and produce higher quality componets that will hopefully live through the warranty period. This is on top of the higher wages and manufacturing costs already built in because of the 6 to 8 percent inflation the goverment has caused. Yep, it will be great.
Almost like capitalism is a racket.
The engineers actually build a proper system instead of cheapest Chinese components that break down 6 months after you install them
Lolno. The suits will demand a CHEAPER system thats cheaper to repair and ask what the average cost of emissions repairs are triple that and apply it to the cost.
$300,000+ trucks here we come! Oh and if right to repair fails they will also refuse to repair rhem past the warranty and have fun with that!
This just means that instead of paying for the repair when it happens, you are paying for it before it happens in the inflated price of the truck. Kind of like taxing corporations more. The corporation does not pay anything in taxes, you do when they add that cost to the final price of the product. So now when a truck is wrecked before the first repair, you are out the extra $25k in the price of the truck. Well, the insurance company is out that money.....but where does that insurance company get the money? From you in higher premiums. And the truckers may not suffer that much because they will just pass that cost onto the freight and the final consumer. Every tax and draconian law like this ultimately comes to the end consumer paying the price. We are all getting screwed.
Like I keep telling everyone,the consumer pays for everything.
Northeast sales manager for a company I won't name, when emissions crap started told me that they added $7-$17k for warranty repair on every new piece of equipment.
DEF, saving the planet, one plastic jug at a time!