DIY Horn Active Loudspeaker - Closed Box - Faital HF1440, 15FH500, Joseph Crowe ES 600 Horn

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  • Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
  • This video shows recording of my DIY loudspeakers. It's a two-way closed-box active loudspeaker. I used Faital drivers: HF1440 compression driver for high frequencies and 15FH500 15" mid woofer for mid and bass frequencies. On this recording the compression driver is crossed to mid at 1000Hz using 2nd order Butterworth filter.
    Speakers are powered by two Hypex FA123 amplifier plates.
    The enclosure is about 60 cm wide and was made triangular to be placed in the room corners. Wide baffle should make the sound more dry. My room is very lively: there are a lot of reflections. Drier sounding speakers help to reduce the hum of the room.
    Source: Apple Music - AirPlay - Primare NP5
    Ten film pokazuje nagranie moich głośników DIY. To dwudrożny głośnik aktywny o zamkniętej obudowie. Użyłem przetworników Faital: przetwornik kompresyjny HF1440 dla wysokich częstotliwości i 15-calowy głośnik niskotonowy 15FH500 dla częstotliwości średnich i niskich. Został użyty filtr Butterwortha drugiego rzędu przy 1000Hz.
    Głośniki zasilane są przez dwie płytki wzmacniacza Hypex FA123.
    Obudowa ma szerokość około 60 cm i została wykonana w kształcie trójkąta z przeznaczeniem do umieszczenia w narożnikach pomieszczenia. Szeroka odgroda powinna była sprawić, że dźwięk będzie bardziej suchy. Mój pokój jest bardzo żywy: jest wiele odbić. Bardziej suche głośniki pomagają zredukować szum w pomieszczeniu.
    В этом видео показана запись моих громкоговорителей, сделанных своими руками. Это двухполосный активный громкоговоритель закрытого типа. Я использовал драйверы Faital: компрессионный драйвер HF1440 для высоких частот и 15-дюймовый среднечастотный динамик 15FH500 для средних и низких частот. На этой записи компрессионный драйвер пересекается с средними частотами на частоте 1000 Гц с использованием фильтра Баттерворта 2-го порядка.
    Динамики питаются от двух пластин усилителя Hypex FA123.
    Корпус шириной около 60 см был сделан треугольным, чтобы его можно было разместить в углах комнаты. Широкая перегородка должна сделать звук более сухим. В моей комнате очень оживленно: много отражений. Динамики с более сухим звучанием помогают снизить шум в комнате.

Комментарии • 59

  • @DanielRivera-wn7ne
    @DanielRivera-wn7ne Месяц назад +1

    Sounds great! They look beautiful. Nice job!

  • @318ishonk
    @318ishonk 7 месяцев назад +3

    Hi Ivan, I recently got the FaitalPro HF1460 (Textreme/Carbon membrane) and can only wholeheartedly recommend them:
    - They are very linear in the ES600 horn
    - They sound slightly softer but also smoother than the titanium SB Audience 65CDN-T (and much, much smoother than most titaium drivers)
    - The high frequency detail that I hear in them is just astonishing. Things happening way back in the soundstage that I never heard - I hear them now. And it's not because of a wonky frequency response or "false detail" from too loud upper frequencies. The Textreme driver can just resolve better.
    Some may insist in a metal dome driver because they like the "zing" that they have. This Textreme driver goes more towards a really good soft dome tweeter like Dynaudio Esotar, while covering a broader frequency range and having much more punch.
    I love the HF1460 from FaitalPro. Took a few weeks to be delivered, but not months like originally indicated by BlueAran. Was worth the price.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  7 месяцев назад

      Thanks for the review!

    • @allarvalksaare7617
      @allarvalksaare7617 5 месяцев назад

      Tell me more about them, i want to load them in JM Lecleach 425 horns, what are you using for higher frequency

  • @318ishonk
    @318ishonk 9 месяцев назад +3

    Hey Ivan I built these speaker as well! Also used the FA123 from Hypex, and in my case the woofer is the SB Audience 15OB350 and compr. driver is 65CDN-T.
    I eventually 3d printed the ES-450 horns and they work much better at 600Hz crossover and first-order filters than the ES-600.
    Those real wood horns look gorgeous though! Will test a bit more and who knows, maybe find someone who can machine me the ES-450 horns here in the UK.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  9 месяцев назад

      I thought about ES-450 as well! However, these are wider than the woofer section.
      How much polishing did the 3D prints require? Did you use some kind of glue to smooth the surfaces?

    • @318ishonk
      @318ishonk 9 месяцев назад

      @@IvanNikitin1 One ES-450 horn was 8 parts on the printer, so naturally there are small gaps and steps to fill/sand away, as much as the general surface. Lots of sanding and filling and still only acceptable with matte paint. I'd guess around £100/horn in materials and many hours of finishing. But then the wooden horns would be so much more money...

    • @demerzzel
      @demerzzel 6 месяцев назад

      Hello! the SB Audience you use in OB or sealed/BR enclosure? Thanks!

    • @318ishonk
      @318ishonk 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@demerzzel 75 L sealed. My enclosure is screwed, not glued, so I could take of two panels and have OB configuration after all.

  • @Xronosd
    @Xronosd 10 месяцев назад +2

    Hi Ivan! gorgeous speakers

  • @greggb681
    @greggb681 6 месяцев назад

    Did Joseph Crow design these cabinets? I just built his 1786 cabinets for my horn speaker build and am so happy with the outcome! Beautiful speakers man!

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  6 месяцев назад +2

      These are inspired by Crow. Mine have much more bracing inside and another driver.

  • @user-vt2kv2dm3k
    @user-vt2kv2dm3k 10 месяцев назад

    Потрясающая работа! Интересно, как далеко разнесены срезы фильтров что бы встретиться на 1000 гц

  • @armandocamorra2488
    @armandocamorra2488 10 месяцев назад

    I need more and more demos.

  • @Canadian_Eh_I
    @Canadian_Eh_I 4 месяца назад

    Interesting microphone setup. I wonder how eqing with measurments for separate right and left channels would affect the resulting correction

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  4 месяца назад

      Separate channel equalization doesn't sound right, if we equalize mid and high frequencies. Separate equalization sound well when equalizing bass frequencies.

  • @eccentric363
    @eccentric363 10 месяцев назад +1

    I have a particular interest in your speakers since I built a 3 way using FH500 bass, mid is an 18 sound 8nmb420 8 inch driver) and smaller 1 inch horn, Faital HF 108r. I also used a Hypex Fusion FA253 amp. I'm very happy with the results but my bass is ported in a 115 Litre box. Your horn looks very nice in wood with smooth round edges. Does the bass mid sound ok up to 1000hz? , no off axis issues? I bet the midrange phase response is excellent with that horn from coming in so low down. Nice job !

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад +1

      I have no complaints about FH500 playing that high. I suppose, that in a direct comparison smaller mid may sound better, but the sound I get from FH500 is very satisfying.
      This compression driver can play lower. In a HF950 horn it can play down to 450Hz and still have lower distortion at this frequency than 12” Beyma midwoofer.

    • @jamesoneil9757
      @jamesoneil9757 3 месяца назад +1

      The idea behind a 15" driver playing 1000 hz is that the directivity is similar to the horn. When you use a smaller midrange driver you will get much wider dispersion of the midrange. It is counter intuitive but the matching of the woofer to the horn is very deliberate and it is about directivity. If you use a smaller midrange the dispersion might not match in the midrange.

  • @anandshah71
    @anandshah71 3 месяца назад

    Can I get the dsp file for miniDSP since I don’t have hypex

  • @boomShadyd
    @boomShadyd 5 месяцев назад

    I'm looking for a new horn speaker project. Do you have a preference over your last design. It goes without saying, beautiful build and congratulations.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  5 месяцев назад

      Yes, I feel that these speakers sound better. I have a quite lively room and 60 degree horn seems to work better in a such room that 90 degree horn I used to have previously. I'll make a video comparing 60/90 horns.

  • @user-nf8yr9ke7n
    @user-nf8yr9ke7n 10 месяцев назад

    Иван, какой вы молодец, продолжаете экспериментировать:) скажи а почему от открытых систем ушли?

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      Сделал закрытую систему (ЗЯ) потому, что руки чесались. При включении в том же помещении оказалось, что ЗЯ на тех же динамиках звучит натуральнее, чем ОЯ. Я 2 или 3 года жил с той закрытой системой. Сейчас просто сделал ещё одну ЗЯ "на богато".

    • @user-nf8yr9ke7n
      @user-nf8yr9ke7n 10 месяцев назад

      @@IvanNikitin1 кстати, хорошая новость хайпекс выпустил новый платы усиления , но пока просто платы не для актива, который в 10 раз превосходит НС, как они сами заявляют, через год обещают делать новые модули на этих платах, так что в скором думаю у вас будут изменения:)))

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      @@user-nf8yr9ke7n к сожалению, они и по цене мощно ncore превосходят.:(

  • @dansantoso48
    @dansantoso48 4 месяца назад

    have u compare to 18sound 1.4"? or beyma 755nd. Im looking for the best 1.4" driver and it seems i just need to buy each to test lol. so many drivers!

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  4 месяца назад

      I never personally heard these two. I did own RCF ND950 though and heard ND940 on several occasions. These are also very good drivers sounding great and with very low distortion, but I personally don't like the slight sound color the titanium diaphragm gives. My room is quite lively though (not enough sound absorption): it amplifies the effect the titanium diaphragm gives. If your room is well damped, titanium will be fine. ND940 and ND950 are also priced very reasonably.

  • @datdudeinred
    @datdudeinred 7 месяцев назад

    Wow. Great. Btw how did you decide to use that woofer in closed box the ts params don't seem it should work but atleast from what I can hear it surely does. So does this qts & vas really don't matter that much? What's the internal volume of the box?

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  7 месяцев назад +2

      I chose that woofer due to its capability to play well at lower volume. Most pro-woofers are designed to play at very high output levels and they tend to lose music details when playing at lower volume. Since my system was built for home use, I needed a woofer that plays well when playing quiet. The woofer needs a relatively lowish moving mass (Mms), soft suspension (Cms) and yet strong magnet (BL). This woofer series fulfill these requirements. Also, they have the best acceleration of 15'' woofers currently produced by Faital. Acceleration can be estimated by dividing BL by Mms.
      My system is an active one. This means that I can correct frequency response and Vas doesn't matter that much. Instead, Xmax and max power are of a higher importance. I needed a woofer that will survive 95dB level @ 40Hz.

    • @MrSl1x
      @MrSl1x 7 месяцев назад

      How are both of the subs connected and how do you influence their frequencies? I have a peerless XXLS10 here, which has similar parameters and I dont like the built-in (manual) filtering option

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  7 месяцев назад +1

      @@MrSl1x subs aren't connected yet. They were part of the previous system and serve as lamp stands at the moment,.

  • @karoliinasalminen
    @karoliinasalminen 10 месяцев назад

    How do you find the Joseph Crowe horn vs. the RCF HF950? Also is the Faital Pro tweeter in your opinion better than RCF ND950 and if so, what's the difference?

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      RCF loads the driver much better - you can cross it at 450Hz vs 800-1000Hz when using ES-600. The RCF has much better directivity control: at 1000Hz the ES600 vertical directivity control. The RCF maintains directivity control down to ~500Hz.
      I didn't hear any honkines from both horns.
      The ES600 has a narrower directivity which makes the sound in the room drier. For my room this is a plus.
      The ES600 looks much better than RCF. RCF was already scary before, and the new batches are made of some spotted plastic.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад +1

      I can compare Faital HF1440 to RCF ND950 and ND940. I owned both ND950 and HF1440. I decided to keep the HF1440 because I can't hear that ketone diaphragm resonance at 14KHz. When I had RCF, I was constantly paying attention to the resonance of the titanium diaphragm. However, I think the RCF ND940 is the best option of the three because it has a more even frequency response than the HF1440, can be used with a passive crossover, and it is much cheaper. The HF1440 is definitely not suitable for use with a passive crossover.
      None of these drivers can match the best dome speakers in reproducing the 10th and 11th octaves. They make up for it with dynamics and realism.

    • @karoliinasalminen
      @karoliinasalminen 10 месяцев назад

      @@IvanNikitin1 I have now Sica 95.44-poly in my DIYs with 1500 Hz dsp-crossover, but been contemplating how much better as a point source it would be if more would be reproduced with the tweeter than now. Would allow also using larger bass-midrange, and could have enough capacity for small scale PA in addition to the hifi use, my current DIYs are not loud enough for that.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      @@karoliinasalminen i liked how it sounded with lower crossover point. There is another option to get point source though: get a coaxial like Sica 12 C 2,5 CP.

    • @karoliinasalminen
      @karoliinasalminen 10 месяцев назад

      @@IvanNikitin1 Well my idea all along was to make coaxial benefits without coaxial and without compromises of a typical coaxial. Would buy Genelec 8361 if I wanted coaxial without compromises. A low curoff horn is a more reasonable project as DIY and also will work better in actual PA-use. As can use 15" bass-midrange and bigger than 1" exit compression tweeter that can put out seious SPL. Anyway, our home has walls that are windows from floor to ceiling and fixing their acoustics is kind of impossible, so will need very directive speakers to not listen mainly to the room. Currently Genelec 8050s in living room which sound good, but the amount of room in the sound is more than a low cutoff horn would enable. Even my 1500 Hz horn with my DIYs don't solve the problem because the critical 1 kHz region is still reproduced by the bass-midrange and that happily bounces in the windows. Need controlled directivity as low as possible. And in the search of perfect compression tweeter. Sica 95.44 does not have the titanium reaonance but it is quite soft. A bit like a soft dome. When compared to Genelec 8050 in near field, the 95.44 loses to the Genelec's aluminium dome at the highest register, it lacks some shine and sparkle.

  • @user47859
    @user47859 10 месяцев назад

    И как в сравнении с RCF рупором? Больше всего интересует тот момент, что у HF950 дифракционный слот есть, а он как многие пишут дает призвуки, хотя здорово расширяет диаграмму.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      RCF значительно лучше нагружает драйвер - можно резать при 450Гц. У RCF знаачительно лучше контроль направленности: ES600 теряет контроль по вертикали уже при 1КГц, а RCF сохраняет контроль и до ~500Гц.
      Я не слышал призвуков от RCF.
      ES600 имеет более узкую направленность, звук в комнате суше. Для меня это плюс.
      ES600 значительно лучше выглядит. RCF и так страшный, а новые партии сделаны из какого-то пятнистого пластика.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      Если внешний вид устраивает, то Hf950 лучше из этой двойки

    • @user47859
      @user47859 10 месяцев назад

      @@IvanNikitin1 а пластик какой? Полиэтилен, поликарбонат? Покрасить чем то можно?

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      @@user47859 экструдированный полиуретан. Красится автомобильными красками, но трудно. Лучше спрятать за сеткой как это делает Клипш.

  • @sc0or
    @sc0or 5 месяцев назад

    Sounds pretty naturally but too soft for me. A super-tweeter would fix this I think. However with an existing configuration I don't hear Hypex. That's a big thing

  • @armandocamorra2488
    @armandocamorra2488 10 месяцев назад

    Are the subwoofer engaged?

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад +3

      Nope. They are just lamp stands at the moment.

    • @cruise2023
      @cruise2023 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@IvanNikitin1
      Don't need them from what I can hear.

  • @user47859
    @user47859 10 месяцев назад

    Я так понял, что тянуть драйвер как можно ниже не всегда и нужно?

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      Эта дудка плохо нагружает драйвер ниже 1 К, а направленность по вертикали теряется при ~1.5К

  • @user47859
    @user47859 10 месяцев назад

    А почему 3к долларов? Судя по всему, вы же не готовый рупор купили у него, а модель и сами заказывали изготовление.

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  10 месяцев назад

      Усиление - 1К, драйверы - 1К, корпус и дудки - 1.5К

  • @imiafamily
    @imiafamily 3 месяца назад

    Прям двухполоски, ага.. А сабы на полу типо тумбочки и не играют, а тупо держат лампы?) а все низы вот эта шляпа хлопает, даже не двигаясь?) ну-ну...)

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  3 месяца назад

      сабы на этой записи даже без усилителя. они не могут играть. Если динамик двигается при игре - это перегруз и искажения.

    • @imiafamily
      @imiafamily 3 месяца назад

      @@IvanNikitin1 а ты поноси микрофон во время игры мимо них, и мимо колонки? Чтобы без обмана? Особенно хочется во время партии ударников это услышать))

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  3 месяца назад

      @@imiafamily мне что делать нечего, чтобы какому-то анониму без единого видео что-то доказывать?

    • @imiafamily
      @imiafamily 3 месяца назад

      @@IvanNikitin1 правильно, ничего не делай.. Всегда найдутся тупые лохи, которые будут верить на слово...
      Косые особенно любят это дело - пихают мастеринговую запись, якобы она так звучит))

  • @robertozanetti7707
    @robertozanetti7707 10 месяцев назад

    There is too much distance between the main speakers between them, I preferred the old version with RCF + RCF Horn HF950, these have too closed dynamics in the middle gamma , probably the material of the horns , beautiful , but not musical, the Great Mr. Shindo said to me, wooden horns there is none that sounds uggual to the other, but they are good for the fireplace in winter.......

    • @IvanNikitin1
      @IvanNikitin1  9 месяцев назад +1

      I agree that OB speakers sound nicer on the recording. Mics greatly influence the recording quality. I used to have €1600 omnipolar mics + €300 audio interface. This recording was made using €300 cardioid mics + €150 interface since i don’t own the expensive equipment anymore.
      Distance is OK IMO: musician images are between speakers and they are palpable. So that 4m distance between speakers is ok for them.