Before folks get offended, feel hurt, triggered, left out or any other negative feelings, please understand that I am an Cultural Anthropologist/ Archaeologist by schooling and the terms of " Sex" and " Gender" , are accidentally switched in the video when I speak on why these fish, as well as pup fish, and clown fish actually exhibit changes in biological sex, gender orientation and attraction, and as the badis do - gender expression of the opposite gender. SO....HERE WE GO... Gender is a form of displayed culture, (sexual or gender orientation is which sex the fish is attracted to). Sex is biological, and unlike in humans naturally- it is not always static...for instance clown fish actually grow overies and change sex... where as a sneaker male is changing his social identity in the group to be percieved as female- although he is biologically a male.... some fish have hermaphroditic situations as well. So while it could be a jump to say gender (as fish dont have cultural constructs by some people's standards... sex is definitely something some species change)
Very cool video on a fascinating topic. Thanks Alex I enjoyed this alot. I am convinced my Empire Gudgeons keep changing Genders.......I gave up trying to work them out years ago, haha. Cunning, mysterious little fish. All the best.
Interesting. Ill have to see which other fish are capable of it. Im sure we have no idea the true scope of how many do this feat... or if some are just born with both organ sets / stem cells that can turn either way.
I just recently spawned the black tigers, was lucky enough to get some females..... breeding them up cuz I guess they are fairly rare in the Hobby..... love the channel man keep up the work, Im thinkin of starting a channel on my fishroom and breeding and things I'm into so much so much fun...
Man, this comment means the world to me brother! The same goes to all of you. The hardest time was during all my surgeries when after nearly a decade - i decided to take what was recommended under specific controls and everyone in the loop....that was about a year ago...and even though i have insomnia and wake up craving ...i get up and watch the tanks. This was a 3am video actually haha. Take care and best wishes John....contact me anytime if need be.
Yes i do from time to time. Currently i have about 12- so id possibly sell a pair locally but wont sell more till 20 or 30 are born probably...which could be a matter of weeks ...or months - they're sneaky
@@Fishtory I'm relatively local to you, across the Sound, so perhaps not out of the question... You seem very knowledgeable about these, including their sneaker males. When I'm ready to buy, I'd like to get them from someone who has spent enough time observing them to know which is which.
@@jenay6586 awesome. Yeah just let me know and we can set something up. I think i can spare a single confirmed pair currently. ... im sure they're a pair because there was a trio... they had babies once, and then one died. But they had a second set of new babies about 4 weeks after that. For some reason, most my scarlet badis only give birth to 4 - 12 fry at a time... usually 6 or 8 survive on average. I think people breed them in bare tanks and get more fry, however Im a fan of the challenge of hatching them in a planted tank with shrimp and sometimes other nano fish. The stores sell them for 599 to 699 around here but i usually do confirmed pairs for 35 and 40 for a 2 female trio....just to encourage success and also because i have been selecting my males for big huge red and orange highlight fins. I don't happen to know anyone trying to breed various strains of badis...so id love to be the first person to do so
@@Fishtory I have pretty close to zero interest in breeding fish. If they need, and survived, I'd just have to find homes for them... (Same reason I'll never breed my dogs.) A confirmed, successful pair might be better going to someone who wants to produce babies. My hope in getting a m/f pair is that they're much less likely to kill each other. These little fish fascinate me to no end. The way they move, the way they interact, the change in color intensity that changes constantly... And they're very pretty.
@@jenay6586 oh you can have 4 or 5 mixed in a tank easily... just don't but like 2 or 3 in a tank if they're all male. People over state the problems that bettas, puffers, badis, and oscars (oscars need big friends though). They all are okay if theres lots of hiding spots or plants to break up the line of sight...or if there are other similar sized species that break up that tension
I have worked with clownfish for years and the gender fluidity is quite well known. Clownfish are protandrous hermaphrodites; that is most clownfish in a colony have undifferentiated gender. As social needs arise, a fish may become male. Again in need a male can switch to female, but never in the opposite direction, first male then female. On the reef most angelfish switch in the opposite direction, first female, then becoming male, but never back again. This is well documented and commercial breeders use it to their advantage. I have formed many clownfish pairs over the years by simply buying 2 very young clownfish and letting them work it out. My question is here you speak of a "sneaker male" that is a male that appears to be female, but really is not in terms of the gametes it produces. Can the scarlet badis switch genders/sex? Does an active female become a male or vice versa? Or are there some submissive males that simply appear female in color and finage, but are not really functioning females? As to those who take offense that this most natural fluidity of gender/sex from of old is somehow being used politically as LBTGQ agenda; I ask what are you so afraid of?
Great info, thank you! I almost went into it more, but it was getting lengthy as is. Perhaps I'll tackle clown fish and badis or Komodo dragons (newly discovered to be like clown fish!). As for scarlet Badis- they are a newer fish to the hobby and science, relatively speaking. I have yet to see published studies on the details, however it is clear that just like sunfish and pygmy sunfish, the males who are not the dominant ones, will basically not develop (sort of like puberty in mamals...only reversible). They often get mistaken as females. However, it appears that some% of males are born females with xxy genes and some xxx I have had a pair that spawned then the "female" who was a large female, was placed with 2 confirmed other females...and she colored up and then took the male appearance AND role. So it appears to be the opposite of clownfish, I think...but other than speaking to a professor at UW and another at USC riverside, I haven't gotten a definitive answer on the biology and genetics...just that it has been observed by many people, and in studies on unrelated issues
@@Fishtory This is very interesting. You say that your large female took on male appearance and role. Did she produce fertile eggs with another female? Has the reverse switch, i.e. male to female ever been observed? I have a pair of scarlet badis, but the duller one is now coloring up, so I fear it may be a male. But maybe a larger colony would produce a pair even if there are no females initially...or not? BTW, again among Saltwater fish Anthias and Wrasses switch from female to male regularly in captivity. As a matter of fact, there is a great deal of discussion on Reef Forum of how to get a pair of wrasses in captivity...they all so quickly become male!
I cannot confirm scientifically or observationally If they do...but at least 3 members of the Genus that have been studied can...so it wouldn't be surprising if they are capable of it as well. Sorry I just don't know for sure
I have a hard time with the sex change thing. More likely, fish are a tribal creature, some species more than the others. So there will be an established alpha male in a given space and the others will just lay low. I don't know if I'm explaining this very well but you know when they're scared how white, almost translucid, they get ? Well, maybe, some of them fish have learned how to play with that "skill" at will. This would surprise me less than a complete metamorphosis. Also maybe it has something to do with hormones (you know just like guppy males do slowing each other growth). Well maybe the strongest male is spraying hormones that makes the others look way less attractive to females. As soon as he is gone, the hornones ain't there no more and the next bigest male will take over from there. These are my theories. P.s. shorter videos are best suited for most people (15-20 minutes are the best) it's part of my job to know that 😉
Sneaker male fish never change genders. There are some fish that Vander sex therefore genders as they age. Other fish seem to change genders if they are radiated or bathe in energy or seminal bath. Those are not "sneaker" males. Fish and human beings are only related do to being alive.This comparison is trying to say humans can be like earthworms and are hermaphrodites,i.e. a single individual can both produce viable eggs and sperm at the same time. Fish can not produce viable eggs and sperm at the same time. Fish can NOT be earthworms. Only some fish soecies can naturally change from male to female or only some fish can change female to male. Fish species that have "sneaker" males are not changing either sex or gender. "Sneaker" male fish are actually males only. "Sneaker" male are not able to dominate competing males in order to obtain a reproductive female and further its bloodline. So to accomplish its genetic imperative, i.e. reproduce, the "sneaker" male "dresses" like a female to get guarding "bull" male in order to mate will females and reproduce offspring. The human equivalent is a captured criminal who claims ro be a female (trans) so by authorities to be forced past human prison guards (bulls) to be housed with female prisoner for reproductive reasons (sexual intercourse, i.e. sometimes rape). The "Sneaker" male fish is an actor dressing and pretending to be female so it can have sex with female fish to reproduce or produce offspring. That action is the closest that Fish can be like a human. Like it or not humans like those fish can not change sex. Humans because of their intellectual capacity can deluded themselves into believing they can change sex and produce offspring or believe desire is not a function of reproduction.
Your comment is the only sensible one on this video. This content creator had been listening to a lot of transgender stories. It has turned his brains to mush ! Lol😅😊😂 SNEAKER MALES are found in plenty of fish species. It's just a young male or a runt that is scared of being killed by an alpha male. So he pretends to be female to be safe from him. PERIOD! As soon as the Alpha male is removed or he dies, this SNEAKER MALE stops pretending. He is able to quickly develop male coloration and he promptly replaces the absent/dead male. The females happily mate with him and life continues as usual All this man rambled about endlessly HAPPENS IN OTHER SPECIES OF FISH. NOT IN GENUS BADIS OR DARIO!
The first time I ever became aware of this amazing feat was when I was keeping and breeding swordfish. Females turn into males if there is no male available or he dies. Mind blowing. Nature is amazing. 👍💕👍
Before folks get offended, feel hurt, triggered, left out or any other negative feelings, please understand that I am an Cultural Anthropologist/ Archaeologist by schooling and the terms of " Sex" and " Gender" , are accidentally switched in the video when I speak on why these fish, as well as pup fish, and clown fish actually exhibit changes in biological sex, gender orientation and attraction, and as the badis do - gender expression of the opposite gender.
SO....HERE WE GO...
Gender is a form of displayed culture, (sexual or gender orientation is which sex the fish is attracted to). Sex is biological, and unlike in humans naturally- it is not always static...for instance clown fish actually grow overies and change sex... where as a sneaker male is changing his social identity in the group to be percieved as female- although he is biologically a male.... some fish have hermaphroditic situations as well.
So while it could be a jump to say gender (as fish dont have cultural constructs by some people's standards... sex is definitely something some species change)
Wow super interesting. Never knew this. Life finds a way....
Very cool video on a fascinating topic. Thanks Alex I enjoyed this alot. I am convinced my Empire Gudgeons keep changing Genders.......I gave up trying to work them out years ago, haha. Cunning, mysterious little fish. All the best.
Interesting. Ill have to see which other fish are capable of it. Im sure we have no idea the true scope of how many do this feat... or if some are just born with both organ sets / stem cells that can turn either way.
I just recently spawned the black tigers, was lucky enough to get some females..... breeding them up cuz I guess they are fairly rare in the Hobby..... love the channel man keep up the work, Im thinkin of starting a channel on my fishroom and breeding and things I'm into so much so much fun...
Love the update and love the history
You keep me strong with my addiction to pain meds thanks I watch your video ever day
Man, this comment means the world to me brother! The same goes to all of you. The hardest time was during all my surgeries when after nearly a decade - i decided to take what was recommended under specific controls and everyone in the loop....that was about a year ago...and even though i have insomnia and wake up craving ...i get up and watch the tanks. This was a 3am video actually haha.
Take care and best wishes John....contact me anytime if need be.
Thank you It mean a lot to me
iam stil listening alex geat content as always good job
Have you had success breeding the Scarlet Badis? Do you sell them?
Yes i do from time to time. Currently i have about 12- so id possibly sell a pair locally but wont sell more till 20 or 30 are born probably...which could be a matter of weeks ...or months - they're sneaky
@@Fishtory I'm relatively local to you, across the Sound, so perhaps not out of the question... You seem very knowledgeable about these, including their sneaker males. When I'm ready to buy, I'd like to get them from someone who has spent enough time observing them to know which is which.
@@jenay6586 awesome. Yeah just let me know and we can set something up. I think i can spare a single confirmed pair currently. ... im sure they're a pair because there was a trio... they had babies once, and then one died. But they had a second set of new babies about 4 weeks after that.
For some reason, most my scarlet badis only give birth to 4 - 12 fry at a time... usually 6 or 8 survive on average. I think people breed them in bare tanks and get more fry, however Im a fan of the challenge of hatching them in a planted tank with shrimp and sometimes other nano fish.
The stores sell them for 599 to 699 around here but i usually do confirmed pairs for 35 and 40 for a 2 female trio....just to encourage success and also because i have been selecting my males for big huge red and orange highlight fins. I don't happen to know anyone trying to breed various strains of badis...so id love to be the first person to do so
@@Fishtory I have pretty close to zero interest in breeding fish. If they need, and survived, I'd just have to find homes for them... (Same reason I'll never breed my dogs.) A confirmed, successful pair might be better going to someone who wants to produce babies. My hope in getting a m/f pair is that they're much less likely to kill each other. These little fish fascinate me to no end. The way they move, the way they interact, the change in color intensity that changes constantly... And they're very pretty.
@@jenay6586 oh you can have 4 or 5 mixed in a tank easily... just don't but like 2 or 3 in a tank if they're all male. People over state the problems that bettas, puffers, badis, and oscars (oscars need big friends though). They all are okay if theres lots of hiding spots or plants to break up the line of sight...or if there are other similar sized species that break up that tension
I'm listening. I love Angels, you better. Cheers :)
I have worked with clownfish for years and the gender fluidity is quite well known. Clownfish are protandrous hermaphrodites; that is most clownfish in a colony have undifferentiated gender. As social needs arise, a fish may become male. Again in need a male can switch to female, but never in the opposite direction, first male then female. On the reef most angelfish switch in the opposite direction, first female, then becoming male, but never back again. This is well documented and commercial breeders use it to their advantage. I have formed many clownfish pairs over the years by simply buying 2 very young clownfish and letting them work it out.
My question is here you speak of a "sneaker male" that is a male that appears to be female, but really is not in terms of the gametes it produces. Can the scarlet badis switch genders/sex? Does an active female become a male or vice versa? Or are there some submissive males that simply appear female in color and finage, but are not really functioning females?
As to those who take offense that this most natural fluidity of gender/sex from of old is somehow being used politically as LBTGQ agenda; I ask what are you so afraid of?
Great info, thank you! I almost went into it more, but it was getting lengthy as is. Perhaps I'll tackle clown fish and badis or Komodo dragons (newly discovered to be like clown fish!).
As for scarlet Badis- they are a newer fish to the hobby and science, relatively speaking. I have yet to see published studies on the details, however it is clear that just like sunfish and pygmy sunfish, the males who are not the dominant ones, will basically not develop (sort of like puberty in mamals...only reversible). They often get mistaken as females. However, it appears that some% of males are born females with xxy genes and some xxx
I have had a pair that spawned then the "female" who was a large female, was placed with 2 confirmed other females...and she colored up and then took the male appearance AND role. So it appears to be the opposite of clownfish, I think...but other than speaking to a professor at UW and another at USC riverside, I haven't gotten a definitive answer on the biology and genetics...just that it has been observed by many people, and in studies on unrelated issues
@@Fishtory This is very interesting. You say that your large female took on male appearance and role. Did she produce fertile eggs with another female? Has the reverse switch, i.e. male to female ever been observed?
I have a pair of scarlet badis, but the duller one is now coloring up, so I fear it may be a male. But maybe a larger colony would produce a pair even if there are no females initially...or not?
BTW, again among Saltwater fish Anthias and Wrasses switch from female to male regularly in captivity. As a matter of fact, there is a great deal of discussion on Reef Forum of how to get a pair of wrasses in captivity...they all so quickly become male!
Do black tiger badis change sex?
I cannot confirm scientifically or observationally If they do...but at least 3 members of the Genus that have been studied can...so it wouldn't be surprising if they are capable of it as well. Sorry I just don't know for sure
I have a hard time with the sex change thing.
More likely, fish are a tribal creature, some species more than the others. So there will be an established alpha male in a given space and the others will just lay low.
I don't know if I'm explaining this very well but you know when they're scared how white, almost translucid, they get ? Well, maybe, some of them fish have learned how to play with that "skill" at will. This would surprise me less than a complete metamorphosis.
Also maybe it has something to do with hormones (you know just like guppy males do slowing each other growth). Well maybe the strongest male is spraying hormones that makes the others look way less attractive to females. As soon as he is gone, the hornones ain't there no more and the next bigest male will take over from there.
These are my theories.
P.s. shorter videos are best suited for most people (15-20 minutes are the best) it's part of my job to know that 😉
Do you sell them at all? I can't find a female for the life of me. Everytime I find one I think is a female it's really just a male with less color.
Sneaker male fish never change genders. There are some fish that Vander sex therefore genders as they age. Other fish seem to change genders if they are radiated or bathe in energy or seminal bath. Those are not "sneaker" males. Fish and human beings are only related do to being alive.This comparison is trying to say humans can be like earthworms and are hermaphrodites,i.e. a single individual can both produce viable eggs and sperm at the same time. Fish can not produce viable eggs and sperm at the same time. Fish can NOT be earthworms. Only some fish soecies can naturally change from male to female or only some fish can change female to male. Fish species that have "sneaker" males are not changing either sex or gender. "Sneaker" male fish are actually males only. "Sneaker" male are not able to dominate competing males in order to obtain a reproductive female and further its bloodline. So to accomplish its genetic imperative, i.e. reproduce, the "sneaker" male "dresses" like a female to get guarding "bull" male in order to mate will females and reproduce offspring. The human equivalent is a captured criminal who claims ro be a female (trans) so by authorities to be forced past human prison guards (bulls) to be housed with female prisoner for reproductive reasons (sexual intercourse, i.e. sometimes rape). The "Sneaker" male fish is an actor dressing and pretending to be female so it can have sex with female fish to reproduce or produce offspring. That action is the closest that Fish can be like a human. Like it or not humans like those fish can not change sex. Humans because of their intellectual capacity can deluded themselves into believing they can change sex and produce offspring or believe desire is not a function of reproduction.
Your comment is the only sensible one on this video.
This content creator had been listening to a lot of transgender stories. It has turned his brains to mush ! Lol😅😊😂
SNEAKER MALES are found in plenty of fish species. It's just a young male or a runt that is scared of being killed by an alpha male. So he pretends to be female to be safe from him. PERIOD!
As soon as the Alpha male is removed or he dies, this SNEAKER MALE stops pretending.
He is able to quickly develop male coloration and he promptly replaces the absent/dead male.
The females happily mate with him and life continues as usual
All this man rambled about endlessly HAPPENS IN OTHER SPECIES OF FISH.
NOT IN GENUS BADIS OR DARIO!
The Blair Witch editing is just too much
Oh my gawd im so scared.... that my viewers didnt like the video....sorry for the craptastic handling of the camera
@@Fishtory
Lol
The first time I ever became aware of this amazing feat was when I was keeping and breeding swordfish. Females turn into males if there is no male available or he dies. Mind blowing. Nature is amazing.
👍💕👍
Yes view lol