TW for video: Mentions of suicide, transphobia. Hello lovely people, thanks so much for watching! Sorry for the chaotic goblin energy of this video. Video addendum! I didn’t realise until editing but this is very interesting: notice how Bethany is deliberately misgendering a trans woman when talking about breastfeeding, but when talking about a trans man who’d been through HRT and to her “looked like a man”, she uses the correct pronouns. Hmm.
if God took Adam rib and created Eve, if you clone Adam, you get Adam. so you take Adams cells and put them in an egg. you denie testontrone to the egg and you get Eve. Eve is an Adam's clone. Eve is Adam. Eve is the first transgender in history.
I almost feel bad for these folks, they haven't been able to graduate from basic biology and learn some advanced classes. If they just weren't so toxic.
Good grief, my mother (for all her issues) was progressive on social issues & for the most part didn’t believe in censorship. I can remember (somewhere in the 8-10 years of age range) my mother telling us about drag shows she saw in New Orleans. She also told us (sympathetically) about Christine Jorgensen & her quest to be seen & live as a woman. I wasn’t shocked or confused or horrified, probably because of my mother’s matter of fact delivery. I wasn’t scarred from hearing about these things. How sad and wrong it is to hear about Girl Defined living such a sheltered and phobic existence. EDIT: I am over 65 yo, so this talk from my mother took place sometime in the late 1950’s - 1961 or thereabouts.
The similar talk I had with my progressive mother was similar, even though she was born in 1933 and raised in the big middle of Ozark Hillbilly country. Oh, and my dad wanted to be a preacher when he was younger, but decided he couldn't when he was divorced by his first wife only a few years into their marriage. Even so, he was also quite progressive on social issues! I guess we were just both very lucky. 😁
@@kinglyzard ha! I remember watching that movie with my mother! I had to ask her to explain about the scene with the grandson & the play where he had to ‘do what boy fishies do’! I loved that Auntie Mame character as well!
I'm a transmasculine guy. I can't say my mom was QUITE so liberal, but I do recall the discussions around Christine Jorgensen. She did not sound shocked or upset by it. It was just discussion. My mom died a number of years ago at 89.
The cruelest thing about girl define's gender essentialism is how Kristen has struggled with fertility issues, so Bethany ranting about how a woman's god designed purpose is to have children must be tearing her own sister apart. The callousness of this woman. On top of everything else, it's just personally horrific
Also women past childbearing age are... what? Useless eaters? Golly gee am I glad to be a man where 'fertility' can last to 70+ But I'm expendable anyway! Men and our 1-30 minutes of 'work' are entirely fungible. :v
Bethany and Kristen have suffered from strict patriarchal gender roles, but neither one of them have learned from that experience. Bethany was miserable because she was in her 30s by the time she got married. And to your point, Kristen was miserable about her fertility challenges. But they just completely missed the reality that their misery, pain, and suffering was primarily a result of this arbitrary, misogynistic idea of what their gender is “supposed” to do. Now, Bethany has awakened to the severe damage that’s been done to her by purity culture. But she will not acknowledge her role in toxic purity culture and she refuses to change her purity culture message. Bethany and Kristen are lost causes. However, I do have hope that Bethany’s husband, Dav, will escape Christian fundamentalism.
@@alexwyatt2911Well when your entire life is “God is omnipotent, everywhere, and can do no wrong” your sense of reality sort of snaps if that becomes objectively contradicted. People don’t go from religious trauma to functioning adults as soon as tragedy hits. The opposite, in fact
My son came out as trans at about 14 and he didn't go on HRT until 16 - honestly, I wish we had put him on hormone blockers at the outset, because him developing into a grown woman has been the worst part of his body dysphoria - and now he's 21 and scheduled for top surgery this year. When you go to GOOD transgender doctors, they strongly suggest waiting for certain things like HRT and surgeries. They suggest therapy, they monitor how their mental health is, and just as proven in many cases, my son is so much happier now that he's living as the gender he feels inside. Once he has the surgery, it will be such a relief so he won't have people like Bethany see him mid-transition and criticize him for being DIFFERENT. They want everyone to be the same because they have no courage to be authentic. I grew up in a religious fundamentalist church and I left because my mental health was worse while I was trying to conform. Once I left and found my authentic self, including being bisexual, I was happier than ever. I'm so glad my son didn't grow up in that environment because he probably would have committed suicide, just like so many kids they've pushed to that end. They have no courage to live outside of their tiny world and no one is better for it. They are only about HATE and FEAR. That doesn't help anyone and has no place in our politics or culture.
Full disclosure: I'm a middle-aged, straight cis man, living in the bible belt in the US. I noticed the same pattern in the discussion about gay marriage, something which the conservative railed against. As if they were afraid that they wouldn't be allowed to marry an opposite sex partner. No, allowing same sex marriage is simply extending a right that heterosexual people have enjoyed for ages, which is to marry the person you love. By accepting trans people as people first and foremost, and offering gender affirming health care, society will be signaling that trans people are in every way equal and equally valuable as everyone else. And it does NOT mean that a cis person isn't allowed any longer to be cis.
People don’t think they won’t be allowed to keep their own gender. They’re annoyed that others are trying to force beliefs on them… which is rich coming from postalizing Christians…
Many years ago when the people of California were working to pass a ballot measure making marriage only between a man and woman, this subject came up in one of my classes. One of the students made a remark assuming that our christian teacher would be supporting the measure. They were surprised when our teacher said that he would never support such legislation, as his beliefs were personal, and that one can never legislate morality. He said that laws should only be passed that provide the most rights to the most people, and he would never impose his beliefs on others if that would take away rights from them.
Loving this, I’m so tired of seeing people think they have a right to hate or force laws on people. Its terrifying how threatened christians are by people being lawfully able to do as they wish. I’ve been raised in the church, yet I find irony how many people don’t realize god wished free will on us. It is also against the word of god to pass judgment. “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.” Some people just want their god given right to be able to chose their path in life. Things like gay rights, and ab0rtion are too morally set on personal experience (and opinion) to ban.
@@jayliezambella U r literally fighting windmills. Hardly anyone is saying what u mentioned in the comment. U have misrepresented the actual arguments.
"children don't get chopped up." Yeah... that is if we're only talking about transgender kids. As it turns out, children who are intersex will often get unnecessary surgery done on them without their explicit consent. So, that shouldn't happen, ever, just like female genital mutilation shouldn't happen. Maybe that's where the myth comes from that children have their genitals butchered, because apparently it does happen, just not for the reason of sex change or transitioning but because some doctors apparently think that being intersex is a life threatening condition or something.
The myth comes from elitist manlets lying to delegitimize transgender people in the eyes of their followers, so that the status quo can remain, which also means they have the power and money to secure their priviledged position. There is not honest debate possible, no honest empathy, because where the myth came from is from a place of greed.
@@jaymiddleton1782 I agree. I think people focus of female genitalia mutilation because (male) circumcision is wildly regarded standard practice in the US. It’s also done for cultural and religious reasons by some. I think it’s hard for people to see circumcision as mutilation because of that.
Also, babies are born with horrifying life ending defects all the time. That's not a mistake? Should we not fix things like cleft palate, because "god meant them to be that way?"
God made trans people in the same light that god made wheat instead of bread and grapes instead of wine. I was born with free will, and the brain to know that my AGAB wasn't what fit me. Transition (though it was a struggle,) has made me stronger and more empathetic. I don't know if I believe in any god, but if god is real, then maybe that struggle was part of their plan for me. ❤ (Also, if the gender binary is such an important part of god's plan, then why do intersex people exist?)
I like to share an anecdote myself. I am a white cis man, always had been. But I used to have long hair when I was in my teens. One day when I was walking around with my sister and grandmother, we passed an elderly woman wo commented "Oh, what beautiful girls." It was jarring, shocking. That old lady mistook me for a girl, probably because of my hair, and it felt so wrong it almost physically hurt me. It was a bad experience, so I didn't want to think about it. Years later I met a trans man, who described how they felt when they were being misgendered, and how they preferred to be called a he, rather than a she. And after initially being a bit confused, it reminded me of that experience I had. And how bad it felt to be misgendered myself. That was when I immediately understood how important it is to call people by the correct pronouns. Just thought I put that out there.
I am a white trans woman, but only recently realized. I also had long hair when I was in my teens. Once I was on a plane and looking out the window, and one of the attendants standing in the aisle called me "ma'am". I was annoyed but not perturbed, and the event really stuck with me. In retrospect, I think I was annoyed because they were "objectively mistaken", and _not_ because they had been careless in their appraisal and "misgendered" me. So...yeah, your story is very gender affirming! Thanks for sharing it ^__^
I was misgendered at six years old when I went to a new school, because I was a pretty boy. Ten years later, I grew my hair out. With facial hair, wide shoulders, and teen male (lack of) fashion sense, I got misgendered by guys in my high school all the time. But the girls knew I was a guy. Intimately, in some cases.
That's because you are actually a male. There's lots of men with long hair that look "mainly". I'm a straight white male and I'm bald lol. If anybody mistaken me for a girl I would laugh and be more concerned for them than me lol. 🤣😅😆🤭
My question is this: Why, if sex is disconnected from gender, and gender is social while sex is biological, do people with gender dysphoria want to alter their sex, instead of just living as the other gender but with their own genitalia? Hell, why live as a gender at all? Our current gender roles are...evil. Not subscribing to them might be wise. Also, reserving the words 'male' and 'female' for chromosomal sexes _rather than genders_ might also be wise. You can be male but feminine. Or female and masculine. Without having to go against chromosomal biology.
Just here to counter Bethany's oh so shocking anecdote with one of my own. When I was a kid, maybe like 5 years old, I saw a person in a store whose gender I couldn't place. I whispered to my mom 'Is that a boy or a girl?' and my mom said 'well sometimes people are just a bit androgynous,' and smiled. I remembered that word 'androgynous' forever after that. It was probably the longest word I knew at that age. So anyways 15 years later, when I finally figured myself out, I knew that if I came out to my mom as nonbinary everything would be okay. I waited 5 more years because the world is a scary place for nonbinary people, but yes, it was all okay with her in the end :) My gender clinic, which is very gatekeepy, demands I bring a parent to one of my appointments (I'm 27), so next month my mom is coming along, and I know that'll be okay. She's on my side.
Power to you!! And to your mom!! After some seriously bad stuff I was in the hospital and my mom was trying to tell the doctor what got me in the hospital in the first place. She called me a crossdresser and I got really mad because I’m not dressing as the opposite sex, I am dressing as me. She didn’t know that but she does now and I couldn’t be more proud of her! Witchy blessings upon all y’all!!
I'm glad that you have a supportive mom! ❤ (But also, it's ridiculous that an *adult* is required to bring a parent to a medical appointment, I had no idea that that was a thing and I can't help but think about the people who don't have supportive parents...)
I'm so glad you have your mom :) I'm trans and just greatful my parents aren't super judgey xD My Midwestern, conservative mom taught me and my sis how to use they/them way back in the 80s just as a polite way to not misgender someone. She wasn't really up to date with LGBTQIA stuff, especially not then, but it's legit fine to use in English and also just polite to NOT assume! :)
I love the "charity" you express in allowing that a woman at 18-19 might have been "infantilized" so that as an adult she remembers being a child when she saw a picture. The truth is probably more of the usual: she remembers a thing and has decided to tell the story as though she were a child because "think of the children" and the scandal.
@@pokedon92 I think Bethany kind of is, sadly. Essentially, people who oppose trans rights based on the silly "biological" argument often make exclusionary statements designed to omit trans people from their definitions of a given gender pole, and in doing so often omit perfectly legitimate scenarios and conditions that make the standard exclude far more than just trans people. FImbles seems to be pointing out one such logical error.
When I was a child, my siblings and I were wrapped up in a fundamentalist church. The mentality and the way she uses terminology isn't a gift to get monetized, it is a self-grift. The backlash they get for their hateful speech reaffirms their perceived martyrdom. Being "persecuted Christians" is what makes them feel special.
Being persecuted is an article of faith. Being the majority, and not being attacked for their faith in any real way, doesn't seem to mitigate the supposed persecution in any way. I think persecution is more important to some people's faith than God or Jesus or angels or whatever. They also care a lot about Satan while also insisting to have a monotheistic religion. So... Shrug.
@@starkfels-diespielefestung2680 no, actually we would like not to be persecuted and we would love not to be special. If u would like to switch places pls do. FYI I'm not wishing for persecution of any1, simply stating that Christians, and I'm assuming, which we all know makes an ass out me and u, but still, u r a Christian, and therefore seek persecution for whatever reason. So, of Christians actually want to switch places that would be the most "Christian" thing they could actually do by taking on our persecution, but ofc Christians aren't interested in being Christian their interested in being important and following dogma.
When I was a child in the 1960's Homosexuals, Bisexuals, and Transexuals, were, (in the Closet) they kept their status a well kept secret for fear of their lives. and the subject was taboo in polite society. people mostly pretended that Gays bi's and trans didn't exist, it was a sort of collective cognetive disstence.
I have a very dear family member who is transgender and they made an excellent point.... when a paret(s) are pregnant and people ask if they hope for a boy or girl, overwhelmingly most say they just want a healthy baby....gender doesnt matter. So when that same child comes out as trans, it still shouldn't matter. Love the PERSON....unconditionally. AND by being supportive to that child ( regardless of their age), you are helping to ensure their health and safety. 💖
@@АлексейПлакхинIt does actually in a lot of cases. Female infanticide was extremely common in China until very recently. Giving birth to a girl is such a common cause of domestic violence in India that it's even illegal to determine a fetus' sex before birth to protect people. So stop telling lies. Cultural sexism is still evil. "culture" is not an excuse.
I love that Bethany is talking about biology like she knows more than biologists with advanced degrees despite the fact that she has had basically no science education.
Thing is, nothing about this is about biology. It's about philosophy. Semantics of what "being a woman" means. (Or being a man). No trans people disagree about the biology. They know what parts and what hormones they were born with and almost certainly have a better idea what changes hormones can cause than most cis people.
@@notNajimi Because her choices in clothing and behavior are an outward reflection of the immaturity of her worldview. She looks childish and acts childish because she thinks childish.
I cannot believe that she said that using inclusive language is attributing to anxiety and depression. I was recently in a psych ward. The fact that they did not use inclusive language made me more anxious and depressed than anything else. I cannot believe that she is a person that can say, with her wealth of experience, that she understands what is going on in a person's mind. I hate this woman. I don't care what anyone says.
When the breastfeeding thing came up I opened a new tab and googled "can trans women breastfeed" and found that yes they can. This took around 10 seconds to do, really not hard. I suppose she is just to sure she's right that she feels no need to check. Side note: How great is the internet for learning stuff :)
Don't forget that in actuality all humans can breastfeed, we all have the glands for it we just need the rit environment to induce the process, and nature loves making survival loopholes. it's more common for ppl with higher levels of estrogen and other hormones, but nonetheless all humans have the ability. It's really fascinating how we have more in common than we have in differences. The problem is that as of rit now science/medical professionals want to make uncommon things problems. So, if some1 of a a specific group does something that isn't "normal" for that specific group then it's a medical issue that must be dealt with.
Also thanks to Bethany for excluding cis women who have trouble with breastfeeding for medical and/or psychological reasons. I'm sure Bethany's God has a plan for that, too. Seriously ...
@@jinaiallegra1050 This argument of 'not all women do X' does not stop them from being female. You are the ones arguing that a male IS a woman if he wears pink. You also argue that transwomen can breastfeed, so...
Im a trans person and was involved with trans support services, and yes i have gone to two many funerals of LGBT People. I thought we had turned a corner of acceptance of LGBT People and we came along way, until they started using it as a political foot ball in the United states. The thing is, alot of these people who have the most negitive things to say, have no idea about hormones and usually dont want to know before they open their big traps.
We also see it being used outside the US - especially in the UK, but also in my home country Denmark, where the far-right have started to use it as a wedge issue
Nothing highlighted to me the lack of basic knowledge people have about hormones untill my mum went through the change and is now on HRT for but she was asking me her trans son for any info i knew about female hormones just crom being trans so seeing trans women talk about that more than my mum is going to.
These politicians shouldn't really be talking about trans issues because they have no personal experience. I know HRT saved my life and made my life more balanced. Parent of trans children do what ever needs to be done to stop there child falling into depression and it's good that it's happening as I know I had to hide my true feeling for years and so did everyone else in the situation. People like Jordan Peterson and the Daily wire have no problem being trans phobic and for some reason feel they can get away with it. Jordan Peterson recently got a temporary ban on Twitter for deliberately misgendering an actor and would have his account reinstated if he just removes the offending tweet, but hes two pig headed just to remove the tweet, instead releasing a video being angry that his free speach is been taken away while doubling down on his misgendering of the actor in question along with calling gender surgents, criminals..I hope internet platforms clamp down on this hateful speach and I dont think high profile people should get a free pass just because they are politicians or other famous people. At the same time peoples support for trans and LGBTQ people should not be over shadowed by people who wont respect people different to them. These people who are using trans issues as a political football and it obvious they dont know what they are talking about, should not be allowed to erode all the progress that has been done to accept people as people without labels. These politicians in the United States have more important things to worry about like children having to wear bullet proof school bags to have some protection in school. When bullet proof school bag are now something on the market, there is a big problem. When you look at that situation,, and you have politicians concerned about trans people going to the bathroom, it doesnt say alot about the political system. Unfortunately some of American politics bleeds into the UK and other countries and people need to continue calling out how stupid it all is and in general the public are very good in this age, at calling out unjustified hatred.
You mean like how a great many transgender/gender dysphoria activists regularly take the research and comments out of context in order to use it to blatantly try to strengthen their own agenda from anyone who questions the validity of anyone suddenly claiming to be transgender or having gender dysphoria when never previously having any history of such a state of being? I wonder how long it will be before this comment is deleted. That's another typical action of such activists.
So a woman who can’t menstruate is a man? So when women reach the menopause they “transition” to being men? I’ll let my Mum know, she’ll have to stop washing my clothes now!
Caelan Conrad did a great bit in one of their videos in their "gender critical cult" series where they discussed defining your identity around a point of pain or injustice, and attempting to exclude everyone who doesn't fit inside their increasingly narrow bubble. Obviously, we know this isnt about menstruation defining womanhood. There are AFAB women who will never menstruate. There are AFAB women who go through menopause and will never menstruate again. There are AFAB women who want to go on birth control that completely takes their period away. Menstruating doesn't make or break your womanhood, and they know that. They just want more ways to rag on trans people.
This. I take birth control. I always skip the placebo week after week 3 and just start the new pack. VIOLA!! NO PERIODS!! I have very painful & exhausting periods so I opt out. Guess I'm not a REAL WOMAN lol.
I'm so relieved to know that Bethany would be entirely approving of my marriage! I thought she might object because I am married to a woman. However, my wife is transgender so as far as Bethany's concerned I'm married to a man and that's totally fine. I dodged a bullet there!
@@ilikecookies9796 Aw, that's really sweet. The interesting part is that I thought I had a husband for 11 years, but then it turned out I'd had a wife all along! It was an adjustment, but we're just as blissfully married as we always were. Thank goodness I'm bi! 😆
@@SakkaraKirax You ARE married to a man. You're just that much of a handmaiden to fool yourself into saying you're a lesbian despite your "wife" having a penis.
@@SakkaraKirax I Thank goodness you're supportive and accepting, and the two of you have such a strong bond. I'm not sure simply being bi would have sufficed.
"Yessss! She has so many excellent one-liners let alone full half-hours's's and I forgive me for piggy backing off your brilliant idea but I'm inclined now to create a whole log of these....a tome if you will, or sacred text of the Emma attributed texts we loveee" .....is what I said and mean but then quickly realized that was my ADHD brain and I just hope someone else can ACTUALLY make this happen someday. "Every Prose as Writ by Thorne" 😂😂 omgawd so awful ill see my self out 🤸🏼♀️🕳 💛& best vibes 2 all !
What they are really terrified of is homsexuality. In that whats scary to them is their own attractions. Lot of men are VERY afraid of being "gay" based on the fact they are attracted to trans women. Those terrified men, have organized the right such that this has reignited anti LGBTQ rhetoric.
@Joe dirty71 then why are they attacking this and treating it like the boogeyman in their childhood closet? These people think that trans and gay people are grooming kids and trying dismantle the world. They are clearly afraid. Funny enough according to the actual data the vast majority of grooming is done in the home and in the church. Not from gay or trans people, just people with power over those kids
@Joe dirty71 The trans people who are worried about bigots literally beating them to death, they are terrified, and rightfully so. Its just sad that the world is such a shitty place that they are.
I'm one of the generation that was accepted as trans, and I'm literally going to one of the top universities in my nation to be in their honors program. I'm fine, Bethany. I'm just also trans!
I absolutely love your channel. You call out the religious idiots for their wicked crap. You are inspirational, fun, smart, and a great person. I really appreciate you. Thanx for being you. 🙂
oh shit I remember seeing that exact same magazine in the checkout line when I was 8. I asked my mom about it, she told me about trans people, and I moved on lmao. Not traumatized at all
I remember the pregnant man story. I was 13, and found it "odd" and surprising. It led me on an internet binge where I also learned about the octomom, and another older woman in the south americas that got pregnant for her daughter who was unable. It left me amazed at how science could help people, not terrified... Arguably I also learned the youngest person to ever get pregnant wasn't even 6, and that Mexico is the "hotspot" for pregnancies under the age of 10, which was less wholesome to say the least.
@@clearspira You assume I went through menopause because I'm old. My body was intentionally carved up when I had a hysterectomy and oophorectomy at age 30 for medical reasons. My medical reason was a tumor. If people have body modification surgery for other reasons, it is none of my business. Nor is it any business of yours.
@@Ithaca-vv5dy I see this a lot. Not just with hate against the LGBTQ+ community but within the flat Earth and Intelligent Design communities as well. The logic isn't based in the reality of the situation, but rather in faith-based logic. The arguments both follow a similar script in which the science or social awareness of the argument for a round Earth or for LGBTQ+ rights isn't taken as a rebuttal to the argument against it, but rather as an affront to the very belief system held by the person arguing against round Earth or LGBTQ+ rights. It triggers a response rooted in a belief system that says "this thing is wrong" without any supporting evidence for why it's wrong. So, when I say the Earth is round and provide evidence for how a globe Earth model accounts for basic phenomena we see on a daily basis, flat Earthers come back with "no it's not you clown" and "if you open your eyes you would see you're wrong". Same goes with supporting LGBTQ+ rights. They are people like you and I. But you and the community of people fervently denying the existence or deservance of rights of/for this particular group respond with "they're an affront to God" or "they're all pedophiles" or "they're indocrinating the children" or " they're delusional". These arguments normally come from groups of people advocating for teaching the Christian bible in science class or in school in general and only the Christian bible or talking about pulling their kids from public schools because they don't want their child exposed to truth behind America's race relations or the existence and legitimacy of the LGBTQ+ community. I would argue that, by advocating for the bible to be taught in school, for kids to be taught that America is "great and wonderful and nothing ever goes wrong", and/or for the LGBTQ+ communities very existence to not be taught or acknowldged to children is the real indocrination.
@@Ithaca-vv5dy okay, that is my bad for assuming your religious beliefs and I apologize. However, you still are not justified in calling the LGBTQ+ community a "cult".
Agree to that. Everyone should be able to live their lives however they want and express themselves how they want - as long as it doesn't harm anyone else (unless they agree to being harmed). It annoys me when people decide that just because they live their lives a certain way, this is how everyone should live their lives, too. Who gave them the right telling anyone else how to do things? Maybe soon I get to decide how people are to live their lives. That could get funny.
@@bjensen1737 when you talked about what the flat earthers said, you forgot to misspell something (usually 'your' for 'you're,' at minimum), and forgot the space comma. 😉 😄 Gotta lie to flerf, is the thing; that's all they do.
So I am 43 and I was very much NOT A CHILD when the magazine with the first pregnant man was on the cover and it is funny to me that she was like horrified because I remember seeing that and I saw the words "Pregnant Man" and I was like WTF? How is this possible? What breakthrough has been made? And then I read it and I was like, "Oh, transman, ok, not so crazy and shocking, that person was born with a uterus, so that makes it possible." BUT I still read the article and was still incredibly interested in the medical science of what was going on because my first thought was wondering what physical changes the years of taking the testosterone would have had on their body as far as keeping the uterus viable, and I also thought it was super cool that Thomas's wife was able to breastfeed their baby since Thomas had already had their double mastectomy. It was very interesting and while I thought the headline was a bit misleading (purposely) I almost thought it was a National Enquirer because it seemed like their crazy sensationalism. Also why is saying people who have periods a problem? I'm a woman, I have my period, if someone says, "People who have periods" that includes me, I'm a people.....ike I guess that is why it is called INCLUSIVE language. edit: You basically said this, and I fully agree that if it bothers you to include other people in a group you are already in, you are the problem not the language.
The other thing that irks me about Bethany and the like is the whole "pronoun" thing, and dead-naming is an extension of that. Because I KNOW they are flatout lying when they say they can't or won't ever refer to someone in any other way because EVERYONE, EVERY SINGLE BREATHING HUMAN BEING, knows at least ONE person with a nickname, whether a sibling, aunt, uncle, neighbour, classmate, etc. Hell, "mom", "dad", "grandma", "grandpa" are all nicknames! YA DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS USING THOSE, BETHANY!!!
Right? There are examples of they/them pronouns in Shakesphere & Chaucer- not to mention other romantic languages like German use nuetrual forms & pronouns daily. Like if Bethany found a wallet and said 'I wonder who left THEIR wallet here, how will we find THEM' -does Kristen have to smack her for Jesus? They know how to use other pronouns. They know how to use nicknames or prefered names. They know how to not be biggoted asshats. They just won't. Meaning basically they are just awful people.
Girl Defined not realizing trans men can menstruate😞 Also, some Cis women don’t get natural periods. I have a Cis 18 year old sister who doesn’t have natural periods because she has PCOS. She has to take birth control to get periods because she can’t have them naturally.
one thing i do want to bring up is that even the statement "amab people cant menstrate" could potentially be wrong due to either the person being intersex or the doctor assigned their sex at birth got it wrong. now that is quite rare, but possible. especially in the past when doctors had less accurate ways of determining sex at birth.
I had the “same experience” as Bethany (spelling?) in the sense that I too remember vividly the picture of that pregnant man with his partner. I was around 12 at that time and in Italy, which is not a very open minded country tbh, so I didn’t have much knowledge on trans people if not maybe for trans women since they’re too often made fun of in medias. Difference between me and Bethany is, I also remember vividly that I tried to find a physiological explanation and when I couldn’t I simply brushed it off and proceeded living my life without hating on anyone and never questioned the identity of that man. It really wasn’t that hard. Some time later I learned more about trans people, recollected the memory of the picture and went “oh, so that’s how it was possible. Cool”. And then I proceeded living my life without hating on anyone and never questioned the identity of that man
I was raised by a fundamentalist cult. I started to escape in my late teens, thankfully. It took years to recover, and in many ways I was so stunted as to be an overgrown child because insular cults do that to people. It definitely made the real world a sometimes terrifying and always confusing place. It wasn't until my mid twenties that I was even able to identify my upbringing as a cult and one of the things I credit with a lot of my recovery is reading "captive hearts captive minds" by Janja Lialich, Madeline Landau Tobias, and Micheal Langone. I really appreciate the way you approach addressing these fundamentalist videos and calling out the fallacies and things while acknowledging the depth of the damage they've sustained from their upbringings and how that is spilling out onto others. 🖤🔬>🔮
Emma, this 62 yo transwoman loves your work, thanks for watching these so I don't have to. By the way I've known I was trans since 1964, I am father to 4 wonderful children, fought it and did all the macho bullshit, finally 6 months ago I decided to be true to my nature, I'm comfortable in my skin for the first time in my life.
I'm so glad you finally were able to find your true path and are happier, now. I know my cousin was so very much happier once he transitioned, it was like a whole different level of happiness for him. He's even happier that he had a really good excuse to get his top surgery paid for by insurance, because he had a cancerous lump. He's fully healthy, and gets to have his final surgery next week. 😁
I've watched a couple videos of yours now. About 5min or so in you said something that resonated and I checked to make sure I was subscribed. I was disappointed to see that I was already subscribed because now I'm about halfway through and I've wanted to click that button 3 or 4 times, but I can't. I'm so unbelievably happy to find another cis woman speaking so loudly on this.
Yeah I used to learn against circumcision but I had 2 boyfriends in a row with complications from their foreskin where one needed a surgery as an adult which still wasn't perfect after. Now I'm leaning towards it.
@@gypsylee333 Sure, with surgery, in a operation room inside a hospital. Not with a knife inside a building not sanitized full of non medical people as an event.
I try to keep it simple. It's your body. It's your health, mental or physical, at stake. I don't get a say in your decisions, unless you invite me to. Meanwhile, I will cheer you on and support your decisions. If your considered decision is to transition, I wish you the best. Let the Bethanys of the world lump it.
To add an anecdote on the pregnant man story. I was raised religious, and there was always an aspect that if something makes you uncomfortable, it must be bad/evil or sometimes the devil. So anything different, I for so long immediately rejected, thinking it was because it was wrong when really it was just....Bigotry.
It’s this simple. I regularly see a person’s gender. I very rarely see a person’s period or genitalia. My concern for someone’s gender versus their biological classification should be equally proportional. Also, that shirt is awesome. The Iron Maiden font makes it awesome!
Turner syndrome (XO) genitals are female? Female is only XX and male XY so what sex is someone with Turner syndrome? Born with Complete Androgen insitivity syndrome (CAIS) genitals are female at birth genetic XY, so Bethany would cruelty call her a man??? Bethany has serious issues??
I remember encountering this magazine cover as a child (9 or 10yo) and I was upset by it not because I thought trans men aren't men, but because I'd for a moment thought wow science found a way to make biologically male bodies carry babies, it's a miracle and it's gonna be so great for afab people (I only thought 'women' then, I wasn't familiar with any of the discourses) to be able to not by default have to carry. This was around the time I first figured out I find pregnancies absolutely horrible, but wasn't entirely aware yet that I will never want children.
Ha ha ha, same though I'm a transman but didn't know anything about that stuff when I was reading about it in the news like that xD I was deep in denial, much better now
I am a trans woman. I have had anxiety and anger issues most of my life. Therapy and antidepressants didn't help. When I started transitioning this year, that was the first thing that ever helped.
You probably already know this, but you are not alone with that feeling. As a friend to several transgender people I've seen how the transitioning does a world of difference for their mental health, self-worth and general mood. It's awesome you're transitioning
@@Raztiana please use "transgender people" because it is the humanizing way to refer to people who don't conform to societal expectations. In the same way it is kinder to say "people with disabilities" or "disabled people" rather than "the disableds" or "disableds" or gay people versus " the Gays"
I was raised conservative Baptist. Even did kindergarten and first grade in a Christian school. I rejected all of it from an early age. I'm not patting myself on the back, I just wonder how I escaped the indoctrination. My brother and sister did not.
It depends on how you define mensuration, cause for about a year, due to kidney stones and infections, I, a cis male, would regularly pass blood from my genitals, it would happen for days at a time, it would be accompanied by lower abdominal pain, it was not the fun. But yeah, checkmate Girl Defined!
lol that's not menstruation mate, that's from jagged little stones scraping your insides, no one would define that as menstruation. But yea I've had kidney stones 3x and it's the worst pain I've ever been in, including worse than having an erupted appendix and any pain leading up to that
@@adonoghuea02 calm down sport, and yea i was laughing at it hence the "lol", the actual funny thing about it is it was really close to how a lot of people argue about things surrounding this topic
Aside from how terrifying the extremism trend in the US is, we seriously need to stop being overly polite atheists. The way to shut up religious narcissism, is to to push them "into the closet". We need to stop trying to play the game with rules that they don't follow and flip the table. also, I would love to see an Emma supercut of all the times she gets angry and has to cut her full response from the video. Get your bleeper out Emma :)
It's not "religious", it's evangelical. American Jews, UUs, Buddhists, Wiccans, etc. aren't behind the extremism. Us non-evangelist religious folks are fighting back too! When you put all religious people in the same category, you further their narrative of secular government as anti-religious freedom. Try not to help write their propaganda for them.
@@Wolfgang8-Y I was referring to religiously motivates narcissism. It applies to evangelicals yes, but also other religions like Islam. They are entirely unable to recognize their own flaws.
Great commentary, Duck, saying the things that should be said. Lovely work on the video. Nice top there; you wear it well. Love to my Trans people, you're all beautiful, putting the T's in Humanities. Stay Strong. ✊ Ave Satana, and hail thyself.🤘
Can confirm that boobs are the easiest thing to come in. I'm a cisgender man, but due to a hormonal imbalance during my growth spurt, I almost grew full on boobs.
I'm the other Bethany. Atheist, bisexual, unmarried & childless by choice...or many of the things that girl defined thinks is wrong with the world 🤣 greetings and well wishes from Oregon 🌲🌊🖤
Another Bethany; Atheist, Lesbian, Single 💔, Don't want children... dresses like a man a lot, getting an education. Heeyyyy!! Love from Texas! 🤠 We gotta spread positivity and be the good Bethanys. Maybe more will show up here?
Not even a minute in, and... I think that's the best intro I've ever seen. And also so true - they built their brand *and business* on their gender identity, but if someone is trans... oh no, they're focusing too much on their gender identity and making it their whole life! ETA: Bethany and the Crusade to Stop Calling Women People. Lol. She doesn't even know...
@@paulthompson9668 it's both as their sex and gender align with what is considered "normal". A lot of what they talk about are related to gender and not sex as it's how a woman is supposed to act, meaning gender roles.
@@paulthompson9668 it's more like saying that wearing eyeliner affects your eyesight. it doesn't, but it does affect gender identity, because gender identity has nothing to do with biology. For a long time, women couldn't wear pants (or trousers, in Emma's country) and men still "can't" wear dresses -- not without being labelled gay/crossdressers. These clothing restrictions have nothing to do with their biological sex or even their own views on gender -- they're just vapid social constructs. And that's what "gender identity" is -- the often ridiculous association of non-sexual traits with a given sex/gender.
@@paulthompson9668 Also, it’s really not. It’d be closer to combat and warfare. On a surface level, they seem interchangeable, but they really aren’t, even if they are closely linked. It is entirely possible to have entire wars with radically different types and levels of combat, but at the end of the day, not every combat is war. Yet, every war is defined in some part by that combat. War is the combination of combat ability, combat intelligence, tactics, information gathering, infrastructure management, financial management, and political maneuvering. A much larger scope to manage. In that same vein, it’s possible to have different sexes that have different gender roles and values. Not every “masculine” practice in a region is done by males, nor every “feminine” practice done by females. Yet feminine and masculine is somewhat defined by being born male or female. Gender is defined by the interplay of biological sex, internal perception, external presentation, societal expectations, population characteristics, religious or cultural doctrines, and environment. Basically, combat helps define war like sex helps define gender. But war is not just about combat like gender is not just about sex. They are an essential part of the larger concepts, but it’s not a 1:1 in importance.
@@paulthompson9668 Heh, well, I think "gender role" would be a better term for what I specifically mean than "gender identity," though I do think they overlap.
I think it's really important to clarify that having a conservative, sheltered upbringing does not necessarily equate with growing up to believe those things or be hateful, etc. Plenty of folks, myself included, have those kinds of upbringings and say "fuck no" to it. Plenty of folks don't. Plenty of folks who don't have that kind of upbringing find their way to those beliefs in adulthood, too! It's not a very consistent indicator of a person's beliefs as an adult (at least not in the modern world) to look at what kind of upbringing they have. Rather, sheltered conservative upbringings are actually rather abusive to those kinds and have a high indication that the child will have trauma associated with that upbringing. To be anecdotal, everyone I grew up with who was also inundated with conservative religious dogma and who was also a kind, loving person recognized once they were an adult that that shit wasnt kind or loving and moved away from the harmful hateful parts (or away from Christianity altogether). The folks who stayed with it were the folks who were also mean and spiteful growing up who then continued to be mean and spiteful as adults. I think it's terribly unuseful to think that these folks "can't help it they were raised that way." They were traumatized as kids, and that's tragic, but they are choosing to continue passing on the trauma to others. That's the insidious and awful part, and it's honestly a bit infantilizing to suggest that they aren't actively choosing to walk a path of harm and misery towards others.
I agree 100%. These hateful people that spew this vile and abusive content to the world are adults, and can _choose_ to change how they treat people. That they don't isn't on their childhood, but on them.
"God does not make mistakes" tell that to the parents who need to have their newborn's heart operated on shortly after birth, to the people who need glasses, to the teens who have braces on their teeth, to the people who must take any kind of medication.
As an American, I'd like to apologize for our crazies. Also, religion has been declining rapidly in the US over the last 2 decades. This is why all of our crazies are freaking out right now. They know they are losing power and that makes them incredibly dangerous.
Because the society around them doesn't like females being independent adults. We are supposed to be mindless servants to a man, and that doesn't work well with being a woman. Then it's easier if they just remain girls.
@@HiBuddyyyyyy This! Just like everything in a truly indoctrinated Christian woman’s life even the term “Girl” being used is an attempt at finding a traditional Christian man.
I'm trans, and when I stumble across a new creator I like, I try to scour their page for the most trans-related video I can find, just to make sure they're not transphobic (so that I can unsubscribe early, rather than being upset by finding out randomly at a later point,) so here I am! And thank you for being one of the channels that I don't have to unsubscribe from!
I have always thought it should be reproductive health, rather than womens health! Growing up I thought that women needed different bone doctors, skin doctors, organ doctors - I was an actual child age 7 - but still it confused me for a while! Cis woman here with a completely messed up reproductive system so I don’t conform to most descriptions of ‘woman’ I find the entire situation frustrating! Just call it reproductive health for crying out loud! Also what’s wrong with just having ‘toilets’ That’s what we had at my school …. Toilets! Yes we had a girls bathroom and a boys bathroom with stalls but in the same corridor we had toilets - just a door that said toilet. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I had a very similar insular upbringing to Kristin and Bethany and I only got out of there at 23 and completely deconstructed my worldview. It is comforting to see that the way Kristin and Bethany think isn’t the norm outside of their insular circles
If you haven't already found the channel Ex Fundie Diaries is really informative for me, and seems to be really relatable for a lot of former fundamentals
Same upbringing here. I gave it up when a Chaplain in basic training told us that god was on our side in the war in Vietnam. That he would be looking over our shoulders and all that crap. He never did answer my next question to him though. So you're saying that your god doesn't protect the Vietnamese people too? I never went back!
Been watching your videos for quite a while and just wanted to say thanks! I'm a parent of a wonderful, caring, non-binary 17 year old. Was raised in a fairly strict christian church. I don't really remember any phobic rhetoric, but it was anti-science enough that I left as soon as I turned 18. Luckily my family never made it an issue and has always supported me. I've always been an ally, even before my kiddo came out, but I find your videos super informative. Because I'm in Texas, it's nice to hear sane perspective. Keep it up!
Chromosomal males can have uteruses and fallopian tubes - for example - Swyer syndrome, Persistent Mullerian Duct Syndrome. We draw these neat binary distinctions around sex entirely for our own convenience but the reality is far more complex than was imagined by Middle-Eastern shepherd communities 2500 years ago
I'm a cis woman of child bearing age who does not menstruate due to medical issues. It never occurred to me that it would make me less of a lady! Edit: also, apparently god "lovingly created" me to not be able to digest food and be in pain every day. Wtf, god‽
Also, I was...19, (I think?) and I remember seeing that picture of a pregnant man, and I remember thinking "that is fascinating. Science is so cool!" It's weird to think of me and Bethany, at the same age, at the same time, in different corners of the world, just having opposite reactions to this one news story.
"Wtf god" Is really the best reaction to any notion that god/the bible tell us to live a certain way. That's what I don't understand about agnostics. They don't really believe but still try to do what god _might_ want?? Personally, even if I had proof that god was real, I'd still don't care about their ideals and just do my thing instead.
I remember in 6th grade biology class when I learned the difference between sex and gender, and that was almost 30 years ago in a small conservative town full of Southern Baptists. So, I think Bethany really doesn't have an excuse for pretending not to understand.
Bethany says Love is not lying to people. Yet she is part of a religion which whole mission is to lie to people. Telling them God exists, that God is something that is not described in the bible, inventing mythology and changing existing jewish mythology, demonizing non-believers, etc. etc. And don't get me wrong, any religion lies to people in at least one thing.
I didnt know thats how she defined love so now im curious why i cznt be gay as long as that love isnt a lie...whats the problem. I do not understand Christian logic
@@Soapy-chan_old You just left one cult and joined another. It's amusing to me to see you laugh at Creationists while holding an ideology that argues human evolution is wrong and how gender overrides everything.
I really, REALLY want to corner one of these people and ask them about biological women who AREN'T transitioning to men who cannot menstruate due to biological conditions. The reason these people infuriate me is because I have a sister who was hit by a speeding car at age 19 and cannot have children because of the damage to her body. They're absolutely calling my sister not a real woman because of something beyond her control and it burns me up!
They will resort to the excuse of "reasons that I accept are still valid, it's only the things that I reject that would make my definition invalid. Black and white, yes or no... they do not understand any other option. No, sorry, correction: they do not WANT to accept any other option... they are pefectly fine with options as long as it suits them.
@@Groffili I don't think they take certain scenarios into account when they give their strict definition of a woman, though. That's the thing. It's all about ovulating and birthing children to them and no one is calling them out and saying there definitely are AFABs who cannot ovulate or birth children. It's not just Transgender allies who need to confront them. Those of us who have relatives who cannot ovulate need to stand up, too and forcefully tell them they are insulting our family members and be stern about it.
They'll just switch to genetics and hormones and all that stuff once you point out that there are men and women who don't meet their strict characteristic based definition of men and women. Their goalpost isn't planted, it's on wheels and attached to a rocket
I just want to ask Bethany why she hates others who don’t conform to her worldview. It’s nothing but hate that comes out of Girl Defined. But yeah there’s no hate like “Christian love”.
Yet she asserts the fear and confusion she felt 'proves' anything about anybody? She also wants to say she was a child because they attribute infallibility to the innocent babes.
The whole business of Bethany’s “sheltered background” brought up a realisation I had just the other day: The whole debate over teaching age-appropriate lessons regarding gender and sexuality in primary school (the “Don’t-Say-Gay” bill, etc.) is about precisely this: The idea of keeping children from learning about sexual orientations other than heterosexuality, and gender identities other than cisgender, is to keep them ignorant until the point that their worldview has somewhat calcified. If you hide the existence of gay and trans people until kids are teens, you’re more likely to provoke exactly the sort of “world-gone-mad” disgust response Bethany describes when they’re first exposed to it. The fear really isn’t that “you’re trying to turn kids gay or trans”, it’s that “you’re trying to reduce the number of homophobes and transphobes in the world. And we depend on those people to keep us in power!” This is not to say that some parents aren’t genuinely afraid of their children turning gay or trans, but that the people who come up with these policies are more concerned with keeping people afraid.
Conservatives (particularly) have a sense that immorality can be detected by what squicks them out. Sexual/gender identities/preferences/practices outside the social norm are likely to squick them out, and keeping them from being familiar or even comprehensible while kids are getting their senses of "normal" set helps the next generation have the same squickiness reactions.
The "don't say gay bill" included heterosexuality in it as well. read the bill. and it was just for k-3rd grade. im a Democrat and i really never saw a problem with that bill. Kindergarten-3rd graders should be learning about the basics, math, spelling, writing, and not worried with who they could potentially be attracted to later in life. not talking about sexuality to children that young doesn't turn them into anything. unless you hold the right's opinion that people can choose to be gay or heterosexual. And before you say it, no the bill never said anything about kids bringing up their gay or heterosexual parents. It was strictly for school staff and curriculum.
@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436 The bill pretty obviously allowed parents to call for a teacher to be punished for classroom discussion of “Gender Identity” or “Sexual Orientation”. Those terms are used specifically for their openness. Gendered honourifics, like “Mister” both reflect a gender identity AND imply a marriage and a sexual orientation. I don’t blame you, you’re probably not queer, but we have to consider that any little loophole or vagueness can be abused.
@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436 I'm gonna have to take a bit of an issue with your second paragraph here. Kindergarteners learn a LOT more than basic math, english and science, they also learn about the world around them: that different people and cultures exist, that not all families look the same and that's all right, and how to treat others. School is more than rote knowledge, it helps you prepare for the outside world as well (and good for that, since a lot of families find knowledge outside of the family circle threatening).
@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436 The problem is that the bill was intended to shut down ANY discussion of gender or sexuality in the primary grades. Sure, the bill might technically forbid discussions of heterosexuality, but the question is whether anyone would complain about it. If a female teacher mentions her husband, I doubt that any parent who heard about it would complain. But if a Kindergarten teacher mentions that she and her wife went to a movie over the weekend, and a kid goes home and tells their parents, there’s going to be hell to pay. Does that seem right to you?
Oh geez. Emma, you provided the new thing I learned today, and likely saved me some embarrassment. Breastfeeding is, in a lot of ways, kinda weird (in a sort of magical way?) and there are a lot of things going on there that a person in my position would never have to learn. It never occurred to me that trans women could do it and I feel like I could picture myself in a conversation at some point positing that they'll either have to formula feed or get donor milk. Thanks for saving me with a very, very interesting science fact. I might even dive into this rabbit hole a bit more and read some success stories, I imagine they'd be quite emotional.
Shared this on Facebook because I spent the whole day arguing with bigots about men getting pregnant. I was saying yes men can get pregnant ,in some cases a man is misgendered at birth because of thier organs and because of those organs they can still get pregnant. It doesn't make them any less of a man than me if they identify as male then they are a male. It's not hard to understand.
I'm so happy this focus on the Christian cult is modern. I grew up in a Danish variant of what Girl Defined believes, and it has taken a lot of work to get out of. Your videos are wonderful and give me a good foundation to stand on without that part of my upbringing.
I was the subject of an exorcism once. After that, I lost respect for the men who insisted on performing it. It was a freak show of begging for a demon to manifest in me. After some time that I can't determine, I simply looked at them and said, "nothing's going to happen. Eventually you have to stop." That was a daimon so, they went on. People who get into spiritualism range from silly too dangerous. Christianity is just a mess. The filthiest people hide under the umbrella of "Church".
As a 64 yo staight white male, your posts are an education to me. I started with your atheist posts and stayed for the rest. Whilst I may never understand fully what other people are going through, all I know is that I have enough trouble dealing with my own life at times, and adding in even a dash of bigotory to my burden would floor me. I was brought up in the Christian faith {CofE} which seems to have left me with a caring attitude towards others, but that may have been down to family values. All I know is that the fundemental christians seem to have strayed a long way from universal brotherhood and love thy neighbour that I grew up with.
Hot take: some straight cis people who don’t understand queer issues don’t realize how important gender and sexuality is to one’s identity. They’ve never had to think about the potential negative consequences about being their authentic selves. Straight and cis is the assumed default and straying away from that can change someone’s entire perspective and path in life, and for some people can be a death sentence. Straight/cis people think it’s easy for queer people to just “be straight/cis” because they themselves are. But that’s literally invalidating a HUGE part of their identity.
Not to mention that people are literally told by homophobes/transphobes that being queer is an immoral choice. Why tf can’t everyone be respectful and leave people who are different to them alone. ; - ;
@@clearspira people like you tell us all the time that we are not queer, that what we are is wrong, that we're misguided, that we are bad etc. You really think that we don't take that seriously?
@@clearspira Hyperbole, perhaps. But there _is_ a pretty big difference between being part of a still-persecuted minority and being accepted. And, maybe you're not an American, but with the Supreme Court now controlled by conservatives, there's a fairsih chance of that persecution beocming legal again.
As a AFAB Non-Binary person who only recently realised my gender identity I can say that the current increase in information and understanding is wonderful! If it wasn't for people talking about gender identity I would probably have died suppressed and miserable.
Lol, Emma you read my mind with "Don't pretend you hate to say it!" I was like lol Bethy you LOVE to say this. You can't wait to say this. Saying this is your entire hateful personality.
I feel like it wasn't long ago when most people thought drag shows were fun. Even my own dad, who was an extremely conservative Christian, would do drag as part of his job (though he'd probably try to rationalize it somehow today). I can't some to go more than a day without bumping into some form of transphobia, often in conjunction with hand wringing over the horrors of drag queens existing in public.
The fact that the world is getting less and less religious is propably the reason why so many extremely vocal and extremely exclusive people like Bethany pop up. These are kind of rearguard actions because those people see that they are losing.
When I was 4, all I knew I was a girl. It was honestly terrifying/disgusting to watch myself develop differently than the other girls around me. I transitioned 5 years ago and regret nothing. Life is harder but happier and I love where I’m at. It makes me really sad to see people like this release videos like this. It’s hard to know that some people will go out of their way to remind others of painful memories and be cruel.
Ikr! Can't people just like accept us trans people? like why do they care so much about us?! Like when someone gets married they don’t care about calling them a different name, so why do they refuse to call us by our preferred pronouns and name?!
@@blacktigerpaw1 Didn’t stop the ancient Greeks, romans, Asatru vikings, Hindu Indians, Indigenous Americans, Mahu, Mesopotamians, actual cavemen etc. We’ve been trans since we’ve been people. Google something for once.
@@beans1557 "google something for once" Right you were trans in ancient India, where there's a custom of widow burning - that you were never targeted in. You were shaman goddesses in Native American culture, yet miraculously disappeared when it came to inter-tribal raids and were not found in mass graves. You were *actual cavemen* despite there literally being no proof aside from trans mythology where you simultaneously were goddesses venerated for your knowledge while disappearing from the record. Until now, while you're suffering a g.enocide. The Scythians didn't drink mare piss for estrogen and your "we wuz goddesses" is the trans version of We Wuz Kangz. The hijra all have HIV and the native Americans had classifications for effeminate men. Google something for once..
There are people who "Girl Defined" would say are "biological women" who can't, never could, and never will menstruate. So I don't really think her argument is very good.
@@strenghsGirl oh, but didn't you hear Bethany say that we are created perfect? So, did God mess up, or are she and you wrong? And just because one can't carry a pregnancy doesn't mean one can't be a parent.
Jenny,I got my time twice a year....my mother thought I didn't have enough estrogen...which was why I was put on the pill. This wasn't the reason..I'm Gender Queer and my mother never knew !
TW for video: Mentions of suicide, transphobia.
Hello lovely people, thanks so much for watching! Sorry for the chaotic goblin energy of this video.
Video addendum! I didn’t realise until editing but this is very interesting: notice how Bethany is deliberately misgendering a trans woman when talking about breastfeeding, but when talking about a trans man who’d been through HRT and to her “looked like a man”, she uses the correct pronouns. Hmm.
She's utterly confused. Cults are confusing.
if God took Adam rib and created Eve, if you clone Adam, you get Adam. so you take Adams cells and put them in an egg. you denie testontrone to the egg and you get Eve. Eve is an Adam's clone. Eve is Adam. Eve is the first transgender in history.
Apparently we have to call it "chestfeeding" now to avoid offense.
I almost feel bad for these folks, they haven't been able to graduate from basic biology and learn some advanced classes.
If they just weren't so toxic.
@@robotsonmars1989 Says who?
Good grief, my mother (for all her issues) was progressive on social issues & for the most part didn’t believe in censorship. I can remember (somewhere in the 8-10 years of age range) my mother telling us about drag shows she saw in New Orleans. She also told us (sympathetically) about Christine Jorgensen & her quest to be seen & live as a woman. I wasn’t shocked or confused or horrified, probably because of my mother’s matter of fact delivery. I wasn’t scarred from hearing about these things. How sad and wrong it is to hear about Girl Defined living such a sheltered and phobic existence. EDIT: I am over 65 yo, so this talk from my mother took place sometime in the late 1950’s - 1961 or thereabouts.
The similar talk I had with my progressive mother was similar, even though she was born in 1933 and raised in the big middle of Ozark Hillbilly country. Oh, and my dad wanted to be a preacher when he was younger, but decided he couldn't when he was divorced by his first wife only a few years into their marriage. Even so, he was also quite progressive on social issues!
I guess we were just both very lucky. 😁
Your Mom sounds just like the "Auntie Mame" we all need growing up. She's a hero in my eyes ❤️
@@kinglyzard ha! I remember watching that movie with my mother! I had to ask her to explain about the scene with the grandson & the play where he had to ‘do what boy fishies do’! I loved that Auntie Mame character as well!
I'm a transmasculine guy. I can't say my mom was QUITE so liberal, but I do recall the discussions around Christine Jorgensen. She did not sound shocked or upset by it. It was just discussion. My mom died a number of years ago at 89.
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Ah, yes, the way Mr. Babcock's eyes bulged whilst exclaiming
"Fish Family!!" 😆 🤣
The cruelest thing about girl define's gender essentialism is how Kristen has struggled with fertility issues, so Bethany ranting about how a woman's god designed purpose is to have children must be tearing her own sister apart. The callousness of this woman. On top of everything else, it's just personally horrific
Also women past childbearing age are... what? Useless eaters? Golly gee am I glad to be a man where 'fertility' can last to 70+ But I'm expendable anyway! Men and our 1-30 minutes of 'work' are entirely fungible. :v
Bethany and Kristen have suffered from strict patriarchal gender roles, but neither one of them have learned from that experience. Bethany was miserable because she was in her 30s by the time she got married. And to your point, Kristen was miserable about her fertility challenges. But they just completely missed the reality that their misery, pain, and suffering was primarily a result of this arbitrary, misogynistic idea of what their gender is “supposed” to do.
Now, Bethany has awakened to the severe damage that’s been done to her by purity culture. But she will not acknowledge her role in toxic purity culture and she refuses to change her purity culture message.
Bethany and Kristen are lost causes. However, I do have hope that Bethany’s husband, Dav, will escape Christian fundamentalism.
Eating some of her own words there
"Misogynistic idea" HTF is that mysoginistic? Another Feminazi! @@alexwyatt2911
@@alexwyatt2911Well when your entire life is “God is omnipotent, everywhere, and can do no wrong” your sense of reality sort of snaps if that becomes objectively contradicted. People don’t go from religious trauma to functioning adults as soon as tragedy hits. The opposite, in fact
My son came out as trans at about 14 and he didn't go on HRT until 16 - honestly, I wish we had put him on hormone blockers at the outset, because him developing into a grown woman has been the worst part of his body dysphoria - and now he's 21 and scheduled for top surgery this year. When you go to GOOD transgender doctors, they strongly suggest waiting for certain things like HRT and surgeries. They suggest therapy, they monitor how their mental health is, and just as proven in many cases, my son is so much happier now that he's living as the gender he feels inside. Once he has the surgery, it will be such a relief so he won't have people like Bethany see him mid-transition and criticize him for being DIFFERENT. They want everyone to be the same because they have no courage to be authentic. I grew up in a religious fundamentalist church and I left because my mental health was worse while I was trying to conform. Once I left and found my authentic self, including being bisexual, I was happier than ever. I'm so glad my son didn't grow up in that environment because he probably would have committed suicide, just like so many kids they've pushed to that end. They have no courage to live outside of their tiny world and no one is better for it. They are only about HATE and FEAR. That doesn't help anyone and has no place in our politics or culture.
Hi Selene13zz, So glad that you and your son are happy now.
And judging by your comment you also are of sound mind, to disprove the fundies!
Emma: There are builders outside, they are singing, I'm sorry if you can hear it"
Me: *Turns volume up*
I was disappointed I could _not_ hear them singing.
Same here, I wanted to figure out what they were signing.
:(
Full disclosure: I'm a middle-aged, straight cis man, living in the bible belt in the US. I noticed the same pattern in the discussion about gay marriage, something which the conservative railed against. As if they were afraid that they wouldn't be allowed to marry an opposite sex partner. No, allowing same sex marriage is simply extending a right that heterosexual people have enjoyed for ages, which is to marry the person you love.
By accepting trans people as people first and foremost, and offering gender affirming health care, society will be signaling that trans people are in every way equal and equally valuable as everyone else. And it does NOT mean that a cis person isn't allowed any longer to be cis.
People don’t think they won’t be allowed to keep their own gender. They’re annoyed that others are trying to force beliefs on them… which is rich coming from postalizing Christians…
Many years ago when the people of California were working to pass a ballot measure making marriage only between a man and woman, this subject came up in one of my classes. One of the students made a remark assuming that our christian teacher would be supporting the measure. They were surprised when our teacher said that he would never support such legislation, as his beliefs were personal, and that one can never legislate morality. He said that laws should only be passed that provide the most rights to the most people, and he would never impose his beliefs on others if that would take away rights from them.
@@GoCoyote that is an amazing teacher right there holy hell
@@sayhello5377 There are definitely a lot of those people thinking they or their children will be forced to be trans
Loving this, I’m so tired of seeing people think they have a right to hate or force laws on people. Its terrifying how threatened christians are by people being lawfully able to do as they wish. I’ve been raised in the church, yet I find irony how many people don’t realize god wished free will on us. It is also against the word of god to pass judgment.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”
Some people just want their god given right to be able to chose their path in life. Things like gay rights, and ab0rtion are too morally set on personal experience (and opinion) to ban.
As a cis woman, I'm offended that other cis women are offended that we're being called people.
Remember we're not ppl we're objects, we must obey the men that own us, and it's an insult if we try and rise to the same level as a person (man) 🙄🥴
@@jayliezambella 🤣
@@jayliezambella Ur logical fallacy is called a strawman.
@@jimmy_xi9342 I don't think that means wat u think it means
@@jayliezambella U r literally fighting windmills. Hardly anyone is saying what u mentioned in the comment. U have misrepresented the actual arguments.
"children don't get chopped up."
Yeah... that is if we're only talking about transgender kids. As it turns out, children who are intersex will often get unnecessary surgery done on them without their explicit consent. So, that shouldn't happen, ever, just like female genital mutilation shouldn't happen.
Maybe that's where the myth comes from that children have their genitals butchered, because apparently it does happen, just not for the reason of sex change or transitioning but because some doctors apparently think that being intersex is a life threatening condition or something.
Oh, don't worry, they might just be mixing it up with religiously motivated genital 'surgeries' like circumcision or FGM
also amabs get circumcised right after being born. kinda ironic that religious people don't have any qualms about that.
The myth comes from elitist manlets lying to delegitimize transgender people in the eyes of their followers, so that the status quo can remain, which also means they have the power and money to secure their priviledged position.
There is not honest debate possible, no honest empathy, because where the myth came from is from a place of greed.
I agree but why *just* female genital mutilation? Child genital mutilation shouldn’t happen at all, full stop.
@@jaymiddleton1782 I agree. I think people focus of female genitalia mutilation because (male) circumcision is wildly regarded standard practice in the US. It’s also done for cultural and religious reasons by some. I think it’s hard for people to see circumcision as mutilation because of that.
Bethany: God doesnt make mistakes, everything he makes is perfect, stop trying to change that
Also Bethany: wears an inch of makeup.
Interesting how you'll shame women for that but will compliment a transwoman and their shit makeup.
Because she has to.
Also, babies are born with horrifying life ending defects all the time. That's not a mistake? Should we not fix things like cleft palate, because "god meant them to be that way?"
@@tjet34literally that one moral orel episode with the jesus statue
God made trans people in the same light that god made wheat instead of bread and grapes instead of wine.
I was born with free will, and the brain to know that my AGAB wasn't what fit me. Transition (though it was a struggle,) has made me stronger and more empathetic.
I don't know if I believe in any god, but if god is real, then maybe that struggle was part of their plan for me. ❤
(Also, if the gender binary is such an important part of god's plan, then why do intersex people exist?)
I like to share an anecdote myself.
I am a white cis man, always had been. But I used to have long hair when I was in my teens.
One day when I was walking around with my sister and grandmother, we passed an elderly woman wo commented "Oh, what beautiful girls."
It was jarring, shocking. That old lady mistook me for a girl, probably because of my hair, and it felt so wrong it almost physically hurt me. It was a bad experience, so I didn't want to think about it.
Years later I met a trans man, who described how they felt when they were being misgendered, and how they preferred to be called a he, rather than a she. And after initially being a bit confused, it reminded me of that experience I had. And how bad it felt to be misgendered myself. That was when I immediately understood how important it is to call people by the correct pronouns.
Just thought I put that out there.
I am a white trans woman, but only recently realized. I also had long hair when I was in my teens. Once I was on a plane and looking out the window, and one of the attendants standing in the aisle called me "ma'am". I was annoyed but not perturbed, and the event really stuck with me. In retrospect, I think I was annoyed because they were "objectively mistaken", and _not_ because they had been careless in their appraisal and "misgendered" me.
So...yeah, your story is very gender affirming! Thanks for sharing it ^__^
Thank you for your empathy and comment.
I was misgendered at six years old when I went to a new school, because I was a pretty boy.
Ten years later, I grew my hair out. With facial hair, wide shoulders, and teen male (lack of) fashion sense, I got misgendered by guys in my high school all the time.
But the girls knew I was a guy. Intimately, in some cases.
That's because you are actually a male. There's lots of men with long hair that look "mainly".
I'm a straight white male and I'm bald lol. If anybody mistaken me for a girl I would laugh and be more concerned for them than me lol. 🤣😅😆🤭
My question is this: Why, if sex is disconnected from gender, and gender is social while sex is biological, do people with gender dysphoria want to alter their sex, instead of just living as the other gender but with their own genitalia?
Hell, why live as a gender at all? Our current gender roles are...evil. Not subscribing to them might be wise.
Also, reserving the words 'male' and 'female' for chromosomal sexes _rather than genders_ might also be wise. You can be male but feminine. Or female and masculine. Without having to go against chromosomal biology.
Just here to counter Bethany's oh so shocking anecdote with one of my own.
When I was a kid, maybe like 5 years old, I saw a person in a store whose gender I couldn't place. I whispered to my mom 'Is that a boy or a girl?' and my mom said 'well sometimes people are just a bit androgynous,' and smiled. I remembered that word 'androgynous' forever after that. It was probably the longest word I knew at that age.
So anyways 15 years later, when I finally figured myself out, I knew that if I came out to my mom as nonbinary everything would be okay. I waited 5 more years because the world is a scary place for nonbinary people, but yes, it was all okay with her in the end :)
My gender clinic, which is very gatekeepy, demands I bring a parent to one of my appointments (I'm 27), so next month my mom is coming along, and I know that'll be okay. She's on my side.
Power to you!! And to your mom!!
After some seriously bad stuff I was in the hospital and my mom was trying to tell the doctor what got me in the hospital in the first place.
She called me a crossdresser and I got really mad because I’m not dressing as the opposite sex, I am dressing as me. She didn’t know that but she does now and I couldn’t be more proud of her!
Witchy blessings upon all y’all!!
I'm glad that you have a supportive mom! ❤
(But also, it's ridiculous that an *adult* is required to bring a parent to a medical appointment, I had no idea that that was a thing and I can't help but think about the people who don't have supportive parents...)
What a delightful story, thank you.
This genuinely made me feel good ☺️
I'm so glad you have your mom :) I'm trans and just greatful my parents aren't super judgey xD
My Midwestern, conservative mom taught me and my sis how to use they/them way back in the 80s just as a polite way to not misgender someone. She wasn't really up to date with LGBTQIA stuff, especially not then, but it's legit fine to use in English and also just polite to NOT assume! :)
Filtering awful people through wonderful people is becoming my favorite RUclips experience.
Thank you.
Oh my god sameee
I love the "charity" you express in allowing that a woman at 18-19 might have been "infantilized" so that as an adult she remembers being a child when she saw a picture. The truth is probably more of the usual: she remembers a thing and has decided to tell the story as though she were a child because "think of the children" and the scandal.
I mean it could be either, or both. Trauma warps your memories and sense of self
One of my best friends is a cis woman who doesn't have periods for various reasons. Doesn't stop her being a woman.
Nobody is claiming your friend is not a woman.
@@pokedon92 I think Bethany kind of is, sadly. Essentially, people who oppose trans rights based on the silly "biological" argument often make exclusionary statements designed to omit trans people from their definitions of a given gender pole, and in doing so often omit perfectly legitimate scenarios and conditions that make the standard exclude far more than just trans people. FImbles seems to be pointing out one such logical error.
That's like saying that humans don't have 2 arms, because some persons are born with one
Yes. Transphobic rhetoric is shitty and nasty to many cisgender people as well.
@@markusbovarsson204 No, it's pointing out the menstruation argument is like saying "if you don't have 2 arms, you can't be human".
When I was a child, my siblings and I were wrapped up in a fundamentalist church. The mentality and the way she uses terminology isn't a gift to get monetized, it is a self-grift. The backlash they get for their hateful speech reaffirms their perceived martyrdom.
Being "persecuted Christians" is what makes them feel special.
Being persecuted is an article of faith. Being the majority, and not being attacked for their faith in any real way, doesn't seem to mitigate the supposed persecution in any way. I think persecution is more important to some people's faith than God or Jesus or angels or whatever.
They also care a lot about Satan while also insisting to have a monotheistic religion. So... Shrug.
So... you being persecuted by "a fundamentalistic church" makes you feel special as well then? 😉
@@starkfels-diespielefestung2680 No, because I don't have that same mentality.
@@starkfels-diespielefestung2680 no, actually we would like not to be persecuted and we would love not to be special. If u would like to switch places pls do.
FYI I'm not wishing for persecution of any1, simply stating that Christians, and I'm assuming, which we all know makes an ass out me and u, but still, u r a Christian, and therefore seek persecution for whatever reason. So, of Christians actually want to switch places that would be the most "Christian" thing they could actually do by taking on our persecution, but ofc Christians aren't interested in being Christian their interested in being important and following dogma.
When I was a child in the 1960's Homosexuals, Bisexuals, and Transexuals, were, (in the Closet) they kept their status a well kept secret for fear of their lives. and the subject was taboo in polite society. people mostly pretended that Gays bi's and trans didn't exist, it was a sort of collective cognetive disstence.
I have a very dear family member who is transgender and they made an excellent point.... when a paret(s) are pregnant and people ask if they hope for a boy or girl, overwhelmingly most say they just want a healthy baby....gender doesnt matter. So when that same child comes out as trans, it still shouldn't matter. Love the PERSON....unconditionally. AND by being supportive to that child ( regardless of their age), you are helping to ensure their health and safety. 💖
It is cultural thing. In many countries boys are preferred option (China). Which does not mean they are neglecting their baby girls.
@@АлексейПлакхинIt does actually in a lot of cases. Female infanticide was extremely common in China until very recently. Giving birth to a girl is such a common cause of domestic violence in India that it's even illegal to determine a fetus' sex before birth to protect people. So stop telling lies.
Cultural sexism is still evil. "culture" is not an excuse.
I love that Bethany is talking about biology like she knows more than biologists with advanced degrees despite the fact that she has had basically no science education.
Thing is, nothing about this is about biology. It's about philosophy. Semantics of what "being a woman" means. (Or being a man).
No trans people disagree about the biology. They know what parts and what hormones they were born with and almost certainly have a better idea what changes hormones can cause than most cis people.
Emma Hilton is an advanced biologist.
You still call her a TERF..
@@jeffmacdonald9863 you can’t say all don’t argue, I’ve heard plenty on social media argue it or on msm say it.
@@jamerv86 Argue what or say what?
Actually, according to biologist forest valkai at least, there are at least 16 human sex categories.
Wait, she’s 33? Why does she dress and act like a 16-year-old? Oh, right. Infantilism. Also explains why she thinks she’s a “girl”.
You gatekeeping overalls, bro?
Bruh, the point you’re making is salient but why shame her choices like that
@@notNajimi Because her choices in clothing and behavior are an outward reflection of the immaturity of her worldview. She looks childish and acts childish because she thinks childish.
no, just mind your own fucking business, let people wear what they want xD
@@Lhaenen Says the person who is not minding their own fucking business.
I cannot believe that she said that using inclusive language is attributing to anxiety and depression. I was recently in a psych ward. The fact that they did not use inclusive language made me more anxious and depressed than anything else. I cannot believe that she is a person that can say, with her wealth of experience, that she understands what is going on in a person's mind. I hate this woman. I don't care what anyone says.
When the breastfeeding thing came up I opened a new tab and googled "can trans women breastfeed" and found that yes they can. This took around 10 seconds to do, really not hard. I suppose she is just to sure she's right that she feels no need to check.
Side note: How great is the internet for learning stuff :)
Don't forget that in actuality all humans can breastfeed, we all have the glands for it we just need the rit environment to induce the process, and nature loves making survival loopholes. it's more common for ppl with higher levels of estrogen and other hormones, but nonetheless all humans have the ability. It's really fascinating how we have more in common than we have in differences.
The problem is that as of rit now science/medical professionals want to make uncommon things problems. So, if some1 of a a specific group does something that isn't "normal" for that specific group then it's a medical issue that must be dealt with.
They can't breastfeed. Their nipple pus is nothing like a mother's milk.
cis men can lactate if you try hard enough with frequent pumping and/or drugs
Also thanks to Bethany for excluding cis women who have trouble with breastfeeding for medical and/or psychological reasons. I'm sure Bethany's God has a plan for that, too. Seriously ...
@@jinaiallegra1050 This argument of 'not all women do X' does not stop them from being female. You are the ones arguing that a male IS a woman if he wears pink.
You also argue that transwomen can breastfeed, so...
Im a trans person and was involved with trans support services, and yes i have gone to two many funerals of LGBT People. I thought we had turned a corner of acceptance of LGBT People and we came along way, until they started using it as a political foot ball in the United states. The thing is, alot of these people who have the most negitive things to say, have no idea about hormones and usually dont want to know before they open their big traps.
We also see it being used outside the US - especially in the UK, but also in my home country Denmark, where the far-right have started to use it as a wedge issue
Nothing highlighted to me the lack of basic knowledge people have about hormones untill my mum went through the change and is now on HRT for but she was asking me her trans son for any info i knew about female hormones just crom being trans so seeing trans women talk about that more than my mum is going to.
These politicians shouldn't really be talking about trans issues because they have no personal experience. I know HRT saved my life and made my life more balanced. Parent of trans children do what ever needs to be done to stop there child falling into depression and it's good that it's happening as I know I had to hide my true feeling for years and so did everyone else in the situation. People like Jordan Peterson and the Daily wire have no problem being trans phobic and for some reason feel they can get away with it. Jordan Peterson recently got a temporary ban on Twitter for deliberately misgendering an actor and would have his account reinstated if he just removes the offending tweet, but hes two pig headed just to remove the tweet, instead releasing a video being angry that his free speach is been taken away while doubling down on his misgendering of the actor in question along with calling gender surgents, criminals..I hope internet platforms clamp down on this hateful speach and I dont think high profile people should get a free pass just because they are politicians or other famous people. At the same time peoples support for trans and LGBTQ people should not be over shadowed by people who wont respect people different to them. These people who are using trans issues as a political football and it obvious they dont know what they are talking about, should not be allowed to erode all the progress that has been done to accept people as people without labels. These politicians in the United States have more important things to worry about like children having to wear bullet proof school bags to have some protection in school. When bullet proof school bag are now something on the market, there is a big problem. When you look at that situation,, and you have politicians concerned about trans people going to the bathroom, it doesnt say alot about the political system. Unfortunately some of American politics bleeds into the UK and other countries and people need to continue calling out how stupid it all is and in general the public are very good in this age, at calling out unjustified hatred.
You mean like how a great many transgender/gender dysphoria activists regularly take the research and comments out of context in order to use it to blatantly try to strengthen their own agenda from anyone who questions the validity of anyone suddenly claiming to be transgender or having gender dysphoria when never previously having any history of such a state of being? I wonder how long it will be before this comment is deleted. That's another typical action of such activists.
So a woman who can’t menstruate is a man? So when women reach the menopause they “transition” to being men? I’ll let my Mum know, she’ll have to stop washing my clothes now!
Caelan Conrad did a great bit in one of their videos in their "gender critical cult" series where they discussed defining your identity around a point of pain or injustice, and attempting to exclude everyone who doesn't fit inside their increasingly narrow bubble.
Obviously, we know this isnt about menstruation defining womanhood. There are AFAB women who will never menstruate. There are AFAB women who go through menopause and will never menstruate again. There are AFAB women who want to go on birth control that completely takes their period away. Menstruating doesn't make or break your womanhood, and they know that. They just want more ways to rag on trans people.
This. I take birth control. I always skip the placebo week after week 3 and just start the new pack. VIOLA!! NO PERIODS!! I have very painful & exhausting periods so I opt out. Guess I'm not a REAL WOMAN lol.
"to rag on"
nice wordplay
@Akairo Kaminari Transwomen can't be placed in male prisons or they'll be raped.
But they have to share our spaces because....? What, they're women?
I'm so relieved to know that Bethany would be entirely approving of my marriage! I thought she might object because I am married to a woman. However, my wife is transgender so as far as Bethany's concerned I'm married to a man and that's totally fine.
I dodged a bullet there!
You sound like an awesome couple. 👍💝
@@ilikecookies9796 Aw, that's really sweet. The interesting part is that I thought I had a husband for 11 years, but then it turned out I'd had a wife all along!
It was an adjustment, but we're just as blissfully married as we always were. Thank goodness I'm bi! 😆
That’s a fancy way of saying you two are gay and one of you dresses like a woman.
@@SakkaraKirax You ARE married to a man.
You're just that much of a handmaiden to fool yourself into saying you're a lesbian despite your "wife" having a penis.
@@SakkaraKirax I
Thank goodness you're supportive and accepting, and the two of you have such a strong bond. I'm not sure simply being bi would have sufficed.
"It's totally weird, and I hate it." --Emma Thorne
This would be an amazing quote to put on the front of a book.
"Yessss! She has so many excellent one-liners let alone full half-hours's's and I forgive me for piggy backing off your brilliant idea but I'm inclined now to create a whole log of these....a tome if you will, or sacred text of the Emma attributed texts we loveee" .....is what I said and mean but then quickly realized that was my ADHD brain and I just hope someone else can ACTUALLY make this happen someday. "Every Prose as Writ by Thorne" 😂😂 omgawd so awful ill see my self out 🤸🏼♀️🕳 💛& best vibes 2 all !
It is so telling how terrified people like this are about anything that they don't see as their particular form of "normal".
I prefer the saying that ‘normal’ is just a setting on the washing machine. ‘Normal’ is not an actual human quality.
@@orangutantapioca1530 absolutely this!
What they are really terrified of is homsexuality. In that whats scary to them is their own attractions. Lot of men are VERY afraid of being "gay" based on the fact they are attracted to trans women.
Those terrified men, have organized the right such that this has reignited anti LGBTQ rhetoric.
@Joe dirty71 then why are they attacking this and treating it like the boogeyman in their childhood closet? These people think that trans and gay people are grooming kids and trying dismantle the world. They are clearly afraid.
Funny enough according to the actual data the vast majority of grooming is done in the home and in the church. Not from gay or trans people, just people with power over those kids
@Joe dirty71 The trans people who are worried about bigots literally beating them to death, they are terrified, and rightfully so. Its just sad that the world is such a shitty place that they are.
I'm one of the generation that was accepted as trans, and I'm literally going to one of the top universities in my nation to be in their honors program. I'm fine, Bethany. I'm just also trans!
Hell yeah.
I'm probably going to be like that soon, I'm considering transitioning and going to university after I finish my art and design course.
@@icravedeath.1200 You got the same goals as I do, yay!
@@greatape8019 yay!
Congratulations! What are you going to study in university? Or are you going to figure that out after you've been in school for a bit?
I absolutely love your channel.
You call out the religious idiots for their wicked crap.
You are inspirational, fun, smart, and a great person.
I really appreciate you.
Thanx for being you.
🙂
oh shit I remember seeing that exact same magazine in the checkout line when I was 8. I asked my mom about it, she told me about trans people, and I moved on lmao. Not traumatized at all
I remember the pregnant man story. I was 13, and found it "odd" and surprising. It led me on an internet binge where I also learned about the octomom, and another older woman in the south americas that got pregnant for her daughter who was unable. It left me amazed at how science could help people, not terrified... Arguably I also learned the youngest person to ever get pregnant wasn't even 6, and that Mexico is the "hotspot" for pregnancies under the age of 10, which was less wholesome to say the least.
I don't menstruate anymore. I guess I'm not a woman.
RUclips just gave me a multiple choice test about your comment. I hope this is their way to teach their algorithm better.
@@clearspira so if I had a hysterectomy to not have children, I wouldn’t be a woman anymore?
@@clearspira You assume I went through menopause because I'm old. My body was intentionally carved up when I had a hysterectomy and oophorectomy at age 30 for medical reasons. My medical reason was a tumor. If people have body modification surgery for other reasons, it is none of my business. Nor is it any business of yours.
I have an 18 year old sister who doesn’t naturally have periods and she’s a Cis female. She has to take birth control to get periods lol
I'm truly sorry for your loss of womanhood. Does that make you a man, or are you in a kind of limbo? (Because of course there are only 2 options 🙄)
These people always forget or ignore the option of "minding their fucking business and letting LGBTQIA+ people live their lives".
Nah, they gotta shove that bible down everyone's throat.
@@Ithaca-vv5dy I see this a lot. Not just with hate against the LGBTQ+ community but within the flat Earth and Intelligent Design communities as well.
The logic isn't based in the reality of the situation, but rather in faith-based logic.
The arguments both follow a similar script in which the science or social awareness of the argument for a round Earth or for LGBTQ+ rights isn't taken as a rebuttal to the argument against it, but rather as an affront to the very belief system held by the person arguing against round Earth or LGBTQ+ rights. It triggers a response rooted in a belief system that says "this thing is wrong" without any supporting evidence for why it's wrong.
So, when I say the Earth is round and provide evidence for how a globe Earth model accounts for basic phenomena we see on a daily basis, flat Earthers come back with "no it's not you clown" and "if you open your eyes you would see you're wrong".
Same goes with supporting LGBTQ+ rights. They are people like you and I. But you and the community of people fervently denying the existence or deservance of rights of/for this particular group respond with "they're an affront to God" or "they're all pedophiles" or "they're indocrinating the children" or " they're delusional". These arguments normally come from groups of people advocating for teaching the Christian bible in science class or in school in general and only the Christian bible or talking about pulling their kids from public schools because they don't want their child exposed to truth behind America's race relations or the existence and legitimacy of the LGBTQ+ community.
I would argue that, by advocating for the bible to be taught in school, for kids to be taught that America is "great and wonderful and nothing ever goes wrong", and/or for the LGBTQ+ communities very existence to not be taught or acknowldged to children is the real indocrination.
@@Ithaca-vv5dy okay, that is my bad for assuming your religious beliefs and I apologize.
However, you still are not justified in calling the LGBTQ+ community a "cult".
Agree to that. Everyone should be able to live their lives however they want and express themselves how they want - as long as it doesn't harm anyone else (unless they agree to being harmed).
It annoys me when people decide that just because they live their lives a certain way, this is how everyone should live their lives, too. Who gave them the right telling anyone else how to do things?
Maybe soon I get to decide how people are to live their lives. That could get funny.
@@bjensen1737 when you talked about what the flat earthers said, you forgot to misspell something (usually 'your' for 'you're,' at minimum), and forgot the space comma. 😉 😄 Gotta lie to flerf, is the thing; that's all they do.
So I am 43 and I was very much NOT A CHILD when the magazine with the first pregnant man was on the cover and it is funny to me that she was like horrified because I remember seeing that and I saw the words "Pregnant Man" and I was like WTF? How is this possible? What breakthrough has been made? And then I read it and I was like, "Oh, transman, ok, not so crazy and shocking, that person was born with a uterus, so that makes it possible." BUT I still read the article and was still incredibly interested in the medical science of what was going on because my first thought was wondering what physical changes the years of taking the testosterone would have had on their body as far as keeping the uterus viable, and I also thought it was super cool that Thomas's wife was able to breastfeed their baby since Thomas had already had their double mastectomy. It was very interesting and while I thought the headline was a bit misleading (purposely) I almost thought it was a National Enquirer because it seemed like their crazy sensationalism. Also why is saying people who have periods a problem? I'm a woman, I have my period, if someone says, "People who have periods" that includes me, I'm a people.....ike I guess that is why it is called INCLUSIVE language.
edit: You basically said this, and I fully agree that if it bothers you to include other people in a group you are already in, you are the problem not the language.
The other thing that irks me about Bethany and the like is the whole "pronoun" thing, and dead-naming is an extension of that. Because I KNOW they are flatout lying when they say they can't or won't ever refer to someone in any other way because EVERYONE, EVERY SINGLE BREATHING HUMAN BEING, knows at least ONE person with a nickname, whether a sibling, aunt, uncle, neighbour, classmate, etc.
Hell, "mom", "dad", "grandma", "grandpa" are all nicknames! YA DON'T SEEM TO HAVE ANY PROBLEMS USING THOSE, BETHANY!!!
I have a great uncle we call "Squeak." It does not say Squeak on his birth certificate. What a concept.
I mean, don't they use a while boatload of goofy nicknames for God? XD Holy Spirit sounds pretty gender neutral, ngl!
Right? There are examples of they/them pronouns in Shakesphere & Chaucer- not to mention other romantic languages like German use nuetrual forms & pronouns daily.
Like if Bethany found a wallet and said 'I wonder who left THEIR wallet here, how will we find THEM' -does Kristen have to smack her for Jesus?
They know how to use other pronouns. They know how to use nicknames or prefered names. They know how to not be biggoted asshats. They just won't. Meaning basically they are just awful people.
@@aazhie It's literally a gender neutral term
in the original Greek.
@@aazhie interestingly enough, God being referred to ‘the Holy Spirit’ is neutral in Greek, feminine in Hebrew, and masculine in Latin
Girl Defined not realizing trans men can menstruate😞
Also, some Cis women don’t get natural periods. I have a Cis 18 year old sister who doesn’t have natural periods because she has PCOS. She has to take birth control to get periods because she can’t have them naturally.
Trans man = woman. Women menstruate. You can play semantics, but in the end, it’s women who menstruate. Nobody cares about your screwed up identity.
I have a cis friend who does menstruate, but like only once per two years or something! that doesnt make her less of a woman though
@@greatape8019 let’s state it differently. Not all women menstruate, but all who DO menstruate are women.
one thing i do want to bring up is that even the statement "amab people cant menstrate" could potentially be wrong due to either the person being intersex or the doctor assigned their sex at birth got it wrong. now that is quite rare, but possible. especially in the past when doctors had less accurate ways of determining sex at birth.
I had the “same experience” as Bethany (spelling?) in the sense that I too remember vividly the picture of that pregnant man with his partner. I was around 12 at that time and in Italy, which is not a very open minded country tbh, so I didn’t have much knowledge on trans people if not maybe for trans women since they’re too often made fun of in medias.
Difference between me and Bethany is, I also remember vividly that I tried to find a physiological explanation and when I couldn’t I simply brushed it off and proceeded living my life without hating on anyone and never questioned the identity of that man. It really wasn’t that hard.
Some time later I learned more about trans people, recollected the memory of the picture and went “oh, so that’s how it was possible. Cool”. And then I proceeded living my life without hating on anyone and never questioned the identity of that man
No sarcasm, but this sounds like a very poorly told fairytale!
This is the healthy, nonpolitical reaction on life.
methany
I guess Girl Defined has never heard of "The Change."
She's going to be very surprised when she hits 60'ish and finds out she's no longer a Woman.
LOL, I hit it in my early 50s! 😅
@@MaryAnnNytowl . Amatures!! I hit it at 38. Boom!!! Best decision I ever made!!!!!!! WHOOP WHOOP!!!!
I was raised by a fundamentalist cult. I started to escape in my late teens, thankfully. It took years to recover, and in many ways I was so stunted as to be an overgrown child because insular cults do that to people. It definitely made the real world a sometimes terrifying and always confusing place.
It wasn't until my mid twenties that I was even able to identify my upbringing as a cult and one of the things I credit with a lot of my recovery is reading "captive hearts captive minds" by Janja Lialich, Madeline Landau Tobias, and Micheal Langone.
I really appreciate the way you approach addressing these fundamentalist videos and calling out the fallacies and things while acknowledging the depth of the damage they've sustained from their upbringings and how that is spilling out onto others. 🖤🔬>🔮
I can’t imagine how infuriating it is to watch these videos and try to be logical about it, appreciate your hard work
Emma, this 62 yo transwoman loves your work, thanks for watching these so I don't have to. By the way I've known I was trans since 1964, I am father to 4 wonderful children, fought it and did all the macho bullshit, finally 6 months ago I decided to be true to my nature, I'm comfortable in my skin for the first time in my life.
I'm so glad you finally were able to find your true path and are happier, now. I know my cousin was so very much happier once he transitioned, it was like a whole different level of happiness for him. He's even happier that he had a really good excuse to get his top surgery paid for by insurance, because he had a cancerous lump. He's fully healthy, and gets to have his final surgery next week. 😁
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@@MaryAnnNytowl not so much happier, but comfortable is a better term.
Congratulations 🎉 We all deserve to live our lives as ourselves!
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I've watched a couple videos of yours now. About 5min or so in you said something that resonated and I checked to make sure I was subscribed. I was disappointed to see that I was already subscribed because now I'm about halfway through and I've wanted to click that button 3 or 4 times, but I can't. I'm so unbelievably happy to find another cis woman speaking so loudly on this.
An appropriate video to watch on the day I started my period because my insurance won't refill my T until next week 😂
Insurance used to do that with my ex-husband and it sucked. Sorry for you I’m still waiting to get my E refilled
Oh god, I am so sorry, mate 😩
Insurance is such a royal pain in the arse, and especially when it's something so important, they shouldn't be allowed to do that to a person. 😒
Bethany look right here a man who menstruates
"There are no children who's body parts are being chopped off"
Looks at circumcision ...
That's nothing against you, just something that happens.
Strangely enough a religious practice as well, but lets ignore the religion obviously, this is about transgender!
Yeah I used to learn against circumcision but I had 2 boyfriends in a row with complications from their foreskin where one needed a surgery as an adult which still wasn't perfect after. Now I'm leaning towards it.
@@gypsylee333 Sure, with surgery, in a operation room inside a hospital. Not with a knife inside a building not sanitized full of non medical people as an event.
@@Humdebel most circumcisions, at least in the US, are not religious and are performed in hospitals.
@@CJMGalaxy hmm! I thought it used to be performed on the temple, maybe I'm confunding with how is perform in israel?
I try to keep it simple. It's your body. It's your health, mental or physical, at stake. I don't get a say in your decisions, unless you invite me to. Meanwhile, I will cheer you on and support your decisions. If your considered decision is to transition, I wish you the best.
Let the Bethanys of the world lump it.
To add an anecdote on the pregnant man story. I was raised religious, and there was always an aspect that if something makes you uncomfortable, it must be bad/evil or sometimes the devil. So anything different, I for so long immediately rejected, thinking it was because it was wrong when really it was just....Bigotry.
It’s this simple. I regularly see a person’s gender. I very rarely see a person’s period or genitalia. My concern for someone’s gender versus their biological classification should be equally proportional. Also, that shirt is awesome. The Iron Maiden font makes it awesome!
Turner syndrome (XO) genitals are female? Female is only XX and male XY so what sex is someone with Turner syndrome? Born with Complete Androgen insitivity syndrome (CAIS) genitals are female at birth genetic XY, so Bethany would cruelty call her a man??? Bethany has serious issues??
I love that little clock sound effect and beat when you're thinking about the date. That music slaps.
I remember encountering this magazine cover as a child (9 or 10yo) and I was upset by it not because I thought trans men aren't men, but because I'd for a moment thought wow science found a way to make biologically male bodies carry babies, it's a miracle and it's gonna be so great for afab people (I only thought 'women' then, I wasn't familiar with any of the discourses) to be able to not by default have to carry. This was around the time I first figured out I find pregnancies absolutely horrible, but wasn't entirely aware yet that I will never want children.
Ha ha ha, same though
I'm a transman but didn't know anything about that stuff when I was reading about it in the news like that xD I was deep in denial, much better now
@@aazhie Glad to hear you are happier now :)
I am a trans woman. I have had anxiety and anger issues most of my life. Therapy and antidepressants didn't help. When I started transitioning this year, that was the first thing that ever helped.
Good for you ❤🙂
You probably already know this, but you are not alone with that feeling. As a friend to several transgender people I've seen how the transitioning does a world of difference for their mental health, self-worth and general mood.
It's awesome you're transitioning
@@Raztiana please use "transgender people" because it is the humanizing way to refer to people who don't conform to societal expectations. In the same way it is kinder to say "people with disabilities" or "disabled people" rather than "the disableds" or "disableds" or gay people versus " the Gays"
@@aazhie, point taken and now corrected. Sometimes important nuances get lost in your second language.
Thank you for your help.
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I was raised conservative Baptist. Even did kindergarten and first grade in a Christian school.
I rejected all of it from an early age. I'm not patting myself on the back, I just wonder how I escaped the indoctrination. My brother and sister did not.
i am on the opposite side of the coin (bought all of it) and i wonder why, too.
It depends on how you define mensuration, cause for about a year, due to kidney stones and infections, I, a cis male, would regularly pass blood from my genitals, it would happen for days at a time, it would be accompanied by lower abdominal pain, it was not the fun. But yeah, checkmate Girl Defined!
lol that's not menstruation mate, that's from jagged little stones scraping your insides, no one would define that as menstruation. But yea I've had kidney stones 3x and it's the worst pain I've ever been in, including worse than having an erupted appendix and any pain leading up to that
@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436 do you understand jokes?
That sounds fucking horrendous.
@@iluvtacos1231 it was
@@adonoghuea02 calm down sport, and yea i was laughing at it hence the "lol", the actual funny thing about it is it was really close to how a lot of people argue about things surrounding this topic
Aside from how terrifying the extremism trend in the US is, we seriously need to stop being overly polite atheists. The way to shut up religious narcissism, is to to push them "into the closet". We need to stop trying to play the game with rules that they don't follow and flip the table.
also, I would love to see an Emma supercut of all the times she gets angry and has to cut her full response from the video. Get your bleeper out Emma :)
I agree on all counts!
It's not "religious", it's evangelical. American Jews, UUs, Buddhists, Wiccans, etc. aren't behind the extremism. Us non-evangelist religious folks are fighting back too! When you put all religious people in the same category, you further their narrative of secular government as anti-religious freedom. Try not to help write their propaganda for them.
@@Wolfgang8-Y I was referring to religiously motivates narcissism. It applies to evangelicals yes, but also other religions like Islam. They are entirely unable to recognize their own flaws.
What extremism?
Great commentary, Duck, saying the things that should be said. Lovely work on the video. Nice top there; you wear it well.
Love to my Trans people, you're all beautiful, putting the T's in Humanities. Stay Strong. ✊
Ave Satana, and hail thyself.🤘
Can confirm that boobs are the easiest thing to come in.
I'm a cisgender man, but due to a hormonal imbalance during my growth spurt, I almost grew full on boobs.
Then why do so many women get breast implants?
@@lylez00 I have no clue. I don't know much about that.
@@lylez00 because they want bigger boobs. Just because they come in first doesnt mean they'll be big. Humans have genetic diversity
@@monsterglacier That makes sense. Thanks.
@@lylez00 because all women grow different? and we all don't get honkin badonkers when we hit puberty?
I'm the other Bethany.
Atheist, bisexual, unmarried & childless by choice...or many of the things that girl defined thinks is wrong with the world 🤣 greetings and well wishes from Oregon 🌲🌊🖤
Evil Bethany be like:
@@morgothbauglir5186 🖤
So you mean 'nice Bethany' as opposed (video above) to not-so-nice Bethany! ❤
Another Bethany;
Atheist, Lesbian, Single 💔, Don't want children... dresses like a man a lot, getting an education.
Heeyyyy!! Love from Texas! 🤠
We gotta spread positivity and be the good Bethanys. Maybe more will show up here?
They’re basically the “popular kids” in middle school except they never aged out of it
I want to know how these people define "biological men and women". I'd love to know what traits they think define those things.
Not even a minute in, and... I think that's the best intro I've ever seen. And also so true - they built their brand *and business* on their gender identity, but if someone is trans... oh no, they're focusing too much on their gender identity and making it their whole life!
ETA: Bethany and the Crusade to Stop Calling Women People. Lol. She doesn't even know...
@@paulthompson9668 it's both as their sex and gender align with what is considered "normal". A lot of what they talk about are related to gender and not sex as it's how a woman is supposed to act, meaning gender roles.
@@paulthompson9668 I think you need to understand what cis means.
@@paulthompson9668 it's more like saying that wearing eyeliner affects your eyesight. it doesn't, but it does affect gender identity, because gender identity has nothing to do with biology. For a long time, women couldn't wear pants (or trousers, in Emma's country) and men still "can't" wear dresses -- not without being labelled gay/crossdressers. These clothing restrictions have nothing to do with their biological sex or even their own views on gender -- they're just vapid social constructs.
And that's what "gender identity" is -- the often ridiculous association of non-sexual traits with a given sex/gender.
@@paulthompson9668 Also, it’s really not. It’d be closer to combat and warfare. On a surface level, they seem interchangeable, but they really aren’t, even if they are closely linked.
It is entirely possible to have entire wars with radically different types and levels of combat, but at the end of the day, not every combat is war. Yet, every war is defined in some part by that combat.
War is the combination of combat ability, combat intelligence, tactics, information gathering, infrastructure management, financial management, and political maneuvering. A much larger scope to manage.
In that same vein, it’s possible to have different sexes that have different gender roles and values. Not every “masculine” practice in a region is done by males, nor every “feminine” practice done by females. Yet feminine and masculine is somewhat defined by being born male or female.
Gender is defined by the interplay of biological sex, internal perception, external presentation, societal expectations, population characteristics, religious or cultural doctrines, and environment.
Basically, combat helps define war like sex helps define gender. But war is not just about combat like gender is not just about sex. They are an essential part of the larger concepts, but it’s not a 1:1 in importance.
@@paulthompson9668 Heh, well, I think "gender role" would be a better term for what I specifically mean than "gender identity," though I do think they overlap.
6:03 The first thing that popped in my head was that one Arnold Schwarzenegger movie.
Junior, it came out in the 90s.
I must tell my cis mom that she isn't a woman bc she didn't breastfeed me - doesn't matter if she barely produced about 4g of milk per feeding.
I think it's really important to clarify that having a conservative, sheltered upbringing does not necessarily equate with growing up to believe those things or be hateful, etc. Plenty of folks, myself included, have those kinds of upbringings and say "fuck no" to it. Plenty of folks don't. Plenty of folks who don't have that kind of upbringing find their way to those beliefs in adulthood, too! It's not a very consistent indicator of a person's beliefs as an adult (at least not in the modern world) to look at what kind of upbringing they have. Rather, sheltered conservative upbringings are actually rather abusive to those kinds and have a high indication that the child will have trauma associated with that upbringing.
To be anecdotal, everyone I grew up with who was also inundated with conservative religious dogma and who was also a kind, loving person recognized once they were an adult that that shit wasnt kind or loving and moved away from the harmful hateful parts (or away from Christianity altogether). The folks who stayed with it were the folks who were also mean and spiteful growing up who then continued to be mean and spiteful as adults. I think it's terribly unuseful to think that these folks "can't help it they were raised that way." They were traumatized as kids, and that's tragic, but they are choosing to continue passing on the trauma to others. That's the insidious and awful part, and it's honestly a bit infantilizing to suggest that they aren't actively choosing to walk a path of harm and misery towards others.
I agree 100%. These hateful people that spew this vile and abusive content to the world are adults, and can _choose_ to change how they treat people. That they don't isn't on their childhood, but on them.
"God does not make mistakes"
tell that to the parents who need to have their newborn's heart operated on shortly after birth, to the people who need glasses, to the teens who have braces on their teeth, to the people who must take any kind of medication.
Man, god must hate my left eye then(100)
Well, you see, God didn't do those things by mistake. They did it all on purpose, because they're an evil sadist. Obviously.
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As an American, I'd like to apologize for our crazies. Also, religion has been declining rapidly in the US over the last 2 decades. This is why all of our crazies are freaking out right now. They know they are losing power and that makes them incredibly dangerous.
Their channel isn't about them being "girls". It's all about telling other "girls" how to be "girls".
Why aren't they "women"?
Because ‘girls’ has connotations of being more submissive and obedient than ‘women’ does.
Because the society around them doesn't like females being independent adults. We are supposed to be mindless servants to a man, and that doesn't work well with being a woman. Then it's easier if they just remain girls.
@@HiBuddyyyyyy
This! Just like everything in a truly indoctrinated Christian woman’s life even the term “Girl” being used is an attempt at finding a traditional Christian man.
forced infantilism as others have pointed out in the comments.
Cause a "woman" won't be a slave to a man?
I'm trans, and when I stumble across a new creator I like, I try to scour their page for the most trans-related video I can find, just to make sure they're not transphobic (so that I can unsubscribe early, rather than being upset by finding out randomly at a later point,) so here I am! And thank you for being one of the channels that I don't have to unsubscribe from!
I have always thought it should be reproductive health, rather than womens health!
Growing up I thought that women needed different bone doctors, skin doctors, organ doctors - I was an actual child age 7 - but still it confused me for a while!
Cis woman here with a completely messed up reproductive system so I don’t conform to most descriptions of ‘woman’ I find the entire situation frustrating!
Just call it reproductive health for crying out loud!
Also what’s wrong with just having ‘toilets’
That’s what we had at my school …. Toilets!
Yes we had a girls bathroom and a boys bathroom with stalls but in the same corridor we had toilets - just a door that said toilet. 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
Seee…!!! By 38:45 in the video, I’m NOT a woman!!! I can’t birth babies and have so many ‘reproductive’ frickin issues
I had a very similar insular upbringing to Kristin and Bethany and I only got out of there at 23 and completely deconstructed my worldview. It is comforting to see that the way Kristin and Bethany think isn’t the norm outside of their insular circles
If you haven't already found the channel Ex Fundie Diaries is really informative for me, and seems to be really relatable for a lot of former fundamentals
Same upbringing here. I gave it up when a Chaplain in basic training told us that god was on our side in the war in Vietnam. That he would be looking over our shoulders and all that crap. He never did answer my next question to him though. So you're saying that your god doesn't protect the Vietnamese people too? I never went back!
Been watching your videos for quite a while and just wanted to say thanks!
I'm a parent of a wonderful, caring, non-binary 17 year old. Was raised in a fairly strict christian church. I don't really remember any phobic rhetoric, but it was anti-science enough that I left as soon as I turned 18. Luckily my family never made it an issue and has always supported me. I've always been an ally, even before my kiddo came out, but I find your videos super informative. Because I'm in Texas, it's nice to hear sane perspective. Keep it up!
Chromosomal males can have uteruses and fallopian tubes - for example - Swyer syndrome, Persistent Mullerian Duct Syndrome.
We draw these neat binary distinctions around sex entirely for our own convenience but the reality is far more complex than was imagined by Middle-Eastern shepherd communities 2500 years ago
I'm a cis woman of child bearing age who does not menstruate due to medical issues. It never occurred to me that it would make me less of a lady!
Edit: also, apparently god "lovingly created" me to not be able to digest food and be in pain every day. Wtf, god‽
Also, I was...19, (I think?) and I remember seeing that picture of a pregnant man, and I remember thinking "that is fascinating. Science is so cool!"
It's weird to think of me and Bethany, at the same age, at the same time, in different corners of the world, just having opposite reactions to this one news story.
"Wtf god"
Is really the best reaction to any notion that god/the bible tell us to live a certain way.
That's what I don't understand about agnostics. They don't really believe but still try to do what god _might_ want??
Personally, even if I had proof that god was real, I'd still don't care about their ideals and just do my thing instead.
Same, how loving of him to give me arthritis at age 18. Thanks god, i feel very cared about
My girlfriend had ovarian cancer as a teen and had to have a hysterectomy. Guess I'm gay
@@irishalchemy Men don't get pregnant.
You arguing they are because of gender identity is why people know you're bullshitting.
38:02 Something is wrong here; Augustine was born in 354AD, so he couldn't start writing about anything in 5AD.
I’m a trans guy who got pregnant on accident mid-transition. I can’t stand Girl Defined, but I have no words for this one. They’re so childish.
pregnant on accident yet calling others irresponsible....got it
@@daemonsw77 happens
@@ducksizedhorse6284 thanks i wasn't sure if it did...and where can i buy one of those ducks
@@daemonsw77 The only ducks I have experience with are absolutely massive, so maybe a gym? We don't hang out.
@@daemonsw77 It happens. I just did my best with the situation and accepted fault. But okay.
I remember in 6th grade biology class when I learned the difference between sex and gender, and that was almost 30 years ago in a small conservative town full of Southern Baptists. So, I think Bethany really doesn't have an excuse for pretending not to understand.
8:00 Maybe she saw an ad for the 1994 film 'Junior' starring Schwarzenegger playing a male IFV surrogate. She'd have been 5 or 6 at the time.
Bethany says Love is not lying to people.
Yet she is part of a religion which whole mission is to lie to people. Telling them God exists, that God is something that is not described in the bible, inventing mythology and changing existing jewish mythology, demonizing non-believers, etc. etc.
And don't get me wrong, any religion lies to people in at least one thing.
I didnt know thats how she defined love so now im curious why i cznt be gay as long as that love isnt a lie...whats the problem. I do not understand Christian logic
@@Sl1mch1ckens They either think you're lying or that it's an abomination regardless.
And don't worry, there is no logic to christianity.
@@Soapy-chan_old You believe men can get pregnant.
You have your own Creationist ideology.
@@blacktigerpaw1 Not only do you not know what I believe, but I also don't have a creationist ideology, even if what you said is true.
@@Soapy-chan_old You just left one cult and joined another. It's amusing to me to see you laugh at Creationists while holding an ideology that argues human evolution is wrong and how gender overrides everything.
I really, REALLY want to corner one of these people and ask them about biological women who AREN'T transitioning to men who cannot menstruate due to biological conditions.
The reason these people infuriate me is because I have a sister who was hit by a speeding car at age 19 and cannot have children because of the damage to her body. They're absolutely calling my sister not a real woman because of something beyond her control and it burns me up!
And they're calling trans women not real women because of reasons beyond their control too.
They will resort to the excuse of "reasons that I accept are still valid, it's only the things that I reject that would make my definition invalid.
Black and white, yes or no... they do not understand any other option. No, sorry, correction: they do not WANT to accept any other option... they are pefectly fine with options as long as it suits them.
@@Groffili I don't think they take certain scenarios into account when they give their strict definition of a woman, though. That's the thing. It's all about ovulating and birthing children to them and no one is calling them out and saying there definitely are AFABs who cannot ovulate or birth children.
It's not just Transgender allies who need to confront them. Those of us who have relatives who cannot ovulate need to stand up, too and forcefully tell them they are insulting our family members and be stern about it.
They'll just switch to genetics and hormones and all that stuff once you point out that there are men and women who don't meet their strict characteristic based definition of men and women.
Their goalpost isn't planted, it's on wheels and attached to a rocket
I just want to ask Bethany why she hates others who don’t conform to her worldview. It’s nothing but hate that comes out of Girl Defined. But yeah there’s no hate like “Christian love”.
Yet she asserts the fear and confusion she felt 'proves' anything about anybody? She also wants to say she was a child because they attribute infallibility to the innocent babes.
'you can't even f**king say it, love' was the most passive aggressive thing ever and i loved it lol 😂
The whole business of Bethany’s “sheltered background” brought up a realisation I had just the other day: The whole debate over teaching age-appropriate lessons regarding gender and sexuality in primary school (the “Don’t-Say-Gay” bill, etc.) is about precisely this: The idea of keeping children from learning about sexual orientations other than heterosexuality, and gender identities other than cisgender, is to keep them ignorant until the point that their worldview has somewhat calcified. If you hide the existence of gay and trans people until kids are teens, you’re more likely to provoke exactly the sort of “world-gone-mad” disgust response Bethany describes when they’re first exposed to it. The fear really isn’t that “you’re trying to turn kids gay or trans”, it’s that “you’re trying to reduce the number of homophobes and transphobes in the world. And we depend on those people to keep us in power!” This is not to say that some parents aren’t genuinely afraid of their children turning gay or trans, but that the people who come up with these policies are more concerned with keeping people afraid.
Conservatives (particularly) have a sense that immorality can be detected by what squicks them out. Sexual/gender identities/preferences/practices outside the social norm are likely to squick them out, and keeping them from being familiar or even comprehensible while kids are getting their senses of "normal" set helps the next generation have the same squickiness reactions.
The "don't say gay bill" included heterosexuality in it as well. read the bill. and it was just for k-3rd grade. im a Democrat and i really never saw a problem with that bill. Kindergarten-3rd graders should be learning about the basics, math, spelling, writing, and not worried with who they could potentially be attracted to later in life. not talking about sexuality to children that young doesn't turn them into anything. unless you hold the right's opinion that people can choose to be gay or heterosexual.
And before you say it, no the bill never said anything about kids bringing up their gay or heterosexual parents. It was strictly for school staff and curriculum.
@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436
The bill pretty obviously allowed parents to call for a teacher to be punished for classroom discussion of “Gender Identity” or “Sexual Orientation”. Those terms are used specifically for their openness.
Gendered honourifics, like “Mister” both reflect a gender identity AND imply a marriage and a sexual orientation.
I don’t blame you, you’re probably not queer, but we have to consider that any little loophole or vagueness can be abused.
@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436 I'm gonna have to take a bit of an issue with your second paragraph here. Kindergarteners learn a LOT more than basic math, english and science, they also learn about the world around them: that different people and cultures exist, that not all families look the same and that's all right, and how to treat others. School is more than rote knowledge, it helps you prepare for the outside world as well (and good for that, since a lot of families find knowledge outside of the family circle threatening).
@@jaxsonhammerkawk7436 The problem is that the bill was intended to shut down ANY discussion of gender or sexuality in the primary grades. Sure, the bill might technically forbid discussions of heterosexuality, but the question is whether anyone would complain about it. If a female teacher mentions her husband, I doubt that any parent who heard about it would complain. But if a Kindergarten teacher mentions that she and her wife went to a movie over the weekend, and a kid goes home and tells their parents, there’s going to be hell to pay. Does that seem right to you?
Oh geez. Emma, you provided the new thing I learned today, and likely saved me some embarrassment. Breastfeeding is, in a lot of ways, kinda weird (in a sort of magical way?) and there are a lot of things going on there that a person in my position would never have to learn. It never occurred to me that trans women could do it and I feel like I could picture myself in a conversation at some point positing that they'll either have to formula feed or get donor milk. Thanks for saving me with a very, very interesting science fact. I might even dive into this rabbit hole a bit more and read some success stories, I imagine they'd be quite emotional.
Shared this on Facebook because I spent the whole day arguing with bigots about men getting pregnant. I was saying yes men can get pregnant ,in some cases a man is misgendered at birth because of thier organs and because of those organs they can still get pregnant. It doesn't make them any less of a man than me if they identify as male then they are a male. It's not hard to understand.
I'm so happy this focus on the Christian cult is modern. I grew up in a Danish variant of what Girl Defined believes, and it has taken a lot of work to get out of.
Your videos are wonderful and give me a good foundation to stand on without that part of my upbringing.
I was the subject of an exorcism once. After that, I lost respect for the men who insisted on performing it. It was a freak show of begging for a demon to manifest in me. After some time that I can't determine, I simply looked at them and said, "nothing's going to happen. Eventually you have to stop." That was a daimon so, they went on.
People who get into spiritualism range from silly too dangerous. Christianity is just a mess. The filthiest people hide under the umbrella of "Church".
As a 64 yo staight white male, your posts are an education to me. I started with your atheist posts and stayed for the rest. Whilst I may never understand fully what other people are going through, all I know is that I have enough trouble dealing with my own life at times, and adding in even a dash of bigotory to my burden would floor me. I was brought up in the Christian faith {CofE} which seems to have left me with a caring attitude towards others, but that may have been down to family values.
All I know is that the fundemental christians seem to have strayed a long way from universal brotherhood and love thy neighbour that I grew up with.
Hot take: some straight cis people who don’t understand queer issues don’t realize how important gender and sexuality is to one’s identity. They’ve never had to think about the potential negative consequences about being their authentic selves. Straight and cis is the assumed default and straying away from that can change someone’s entire perspective and path in life, and for some people can be a death sentence. Straight/cis people think it’s easy for queer people to just “be straight/cis” because they themselves are. But that’s literally invalidating a HUGE part of their identity.
Yep. For them, they've been validated so they could have not the furthest idea of the importance of queer issues
Not to mention that people are literally told by homophobes/transphobes that being queer is an immoral choice.
Why tf can’t everyone be respectful and leave people who are different to them alone. ; - ;
All you need to do is add the word "some" and you'd have my support (writing as a straight, cis male who tries to understand queer issues 🤷♂)
@@clearspira people like you tell us all the time that we are not queer, that what we are is wrong, that we're misguided, that we are bad etc. You really think that we don't take that seriously?
@@clearspira Hyperbole, perhaps. But there _is_ a pretty big difference between being part of a still-persecuted minority and being accepted. And, maybe you're not an American, but with the Supreme Court now controlled by conservatives, there's a fairsih chance of that persecution beocming legal again.
How have I only just discovered your channel. I’m in love
As a AFAB Non-Binary person who only recently realised my gender identity I can say that the current increase in information and understanding is wonderful! If it wasn't for people talking about gender identity I would probably have died suppressed and miserable.
Lol, Emma you read my mind with "Don't pretend you hate to say it!" I was like lol Bethy you LOVE to say this. You can't wait to say this. Saying this is your entire hateful personality.
They shout about love
But when push comes to shove
They live for the things they're afraid of
- Rush, "The Weapon", lyrics by Neil Peart
I feel like it wasn't long ago when most people thought drag shows were fun. Even my own dad, who was an extremely conservative Christian, would do drag as part of his job (though he'd probably try to rationalize it somehow today). I can't some to go more than a day without bumping into some form of transphobia, often in conjunction with hand wringing over the horrors of drag queens existing in public.
I always love Emma's cool level headed "reasonable person" opinions. Too much extreme ideas on the internet!
As a CIS Man…you have helped me understand transgenderism more than anybody else ever had. Thank you!! You are an amazing teacher.
The fact that the world is getting less and less religious is propably the reason why so many extremely vocal and extremely exclusive people like Bethany pop up. These are kind of rearguard actions because those people see that they are losing.
When I was 4, all I knew I was a girl. It was honestly terrifying/disgusting to watch myself develop differently than the other girls around me. I transitioned 5 years ago and regret nothing. Life is harder but happier and I love where I’m at. It makes me really sad to see people like this release videos like this. It’s hard to know that some people will go out of their way to remind others of painful memories and be cruel.
You're a male.
Guarantee you don't pass, either.
Ikr! Can't people just like accept us trans people? like why do they care so much about us?! Like when someone gets married they don’t care about calling them a different name, so why do they refuse to call us by our preferred pronouns and name?!
@@greatape8019 Because you're male, lol
@@blacktigerpaw1
Didn’t stop the ancient Greeks, romans, Asatru vikings, Hindu Indians, Indigenous Americans, Mahu, Mesopotamians, actual cavemen etc. We’ve been trans since we’ve been people. Google something for once.
@@beans1557 "google something for once"
Right you were trans in ancient India, where there's a custom of widow burning - that you were never targeted in.
You were shaman goddesses in Native American culture, yet miraculously disappeared when it came to inter-tribal raids and were not found in mass graves.
You were *actual cavemen* despite there literally being no proof aside from trans mythology where you simultaneously were goddesses venerated for your knowledge while disappearing from the record. Until now, while you're suffering a g.enocide.
The Scythians didn't drink mare piss for estrogen and your "we wuz goddesses" is the trans version of We Wuz Kangz. The hijra all have HIV and the native Americans had classifications for effeminate men.
Google something for once..
Pretty sure the “picture she saw” of a pregnant man was probably just an ad for the movie “Junior” and Bethany’s a dunce. 😂
There are people who "Girl Defined" would say are "biological women" who can't, never could, and never will menstruate. So I don't really think her argument is very good.
Would they really consider them women
True. But there is usually something wrong. And I bet a lot of them had a hard time accepting that they can never get children.
@@strenghsGirl oh, but didn't you hear Bethany say that we are created perfect? So, did God mess up, or are she and you wrong? And just because one can't carry a pregnancy doesn't mean one can't be a parent.
Jenny,I got my time twice a year....my mother thought I didn't have enough estrogen...which was why I was put on the pill.
This wasn't the reason..I'm Gender Queer and my mother never knew !
Girl defined: "My experiences are valid. Yours aren't and you aren't."
I waited through the whole video to see Girl Defined's eyes lose that dead expression. Such misery
People like Bethany feel excluded over the most inclusionary terms.