I'm rather critical of Boeing quality on several of its aircraft but this doesn't seem to he a Boeing problem. This model has a great safety record and this particular aircraft, as stated, completed over 20k successful flights. It's an outlier incident perhaps more of a maintenance issue.
The point is that this aircraft should not be having issues at this point in its lifecycle. If what the whistle-blowers have been saying is true, this type of event is exactly the type of thing you would expect to see more regularly. Sub par manufacturing won't necessarily always fail immediately, but rather will fail before it's time, even on aircraft where the maintenance schedules have been followed correctly.
It doesn't really matter. It is yet another incident with a 737 while public confidence in the type is already low, so low that there are people actively avoiding flying on the type.
If what the whistle-blowers have been saying is true, this type of event is exactly the type of thing you would expect to see more regularly. Sub par manufacturing won't necessarily always fail immediately, but rather will fail before it's time, even on aircraft where the maintenance schedules have been followed correctly.
Boeing quality definitely has been a problem, but airline maintenance issues also seem to play a big part. I’m just glad no one got hurt. Seems like human error might have been involved…
@ArjunRajesh7356 The person you are replying to never said it is a Boeing quality problem, they only said that Boeing's quality has been a problem in general (for newer planes)
Either a human error or problem with the gear locking system !! In both cases, nothing to blame Boeing !! NG series has a good safety record and proven good workhorse across the world !!
90% maintenance. But we cannot exclude manufacturing problems at this point. I give 1% to that (some hidden failure which popped out right now). It also could have been material fatigue - I give 9% to this.
This happens every now and then. Not just Boeings but also Airbuses. Even with hydraulics on, you can't just lift the gear lever in the cockpit to retract the gear. The landing gears have sensors telling the aircraft it is sitting on the ground. So the control lever will be locked. To override this you need to mask the sensors. This is a common maintenance procedures for various things. But somehow someone forgot to put the locks on the landing gears and this is what happens. My guess is the pilots reported a fault with a navigation system, and the ramp engineer tried to test it, but missed putting in a lock.
I have worked the 737NG for many years on the line and heavy maintenance and have never witnessed the failure of the nose gear like this one …..the 737 on gear retraction rotates forward to stow in the wheel well after hydraulic pressure is applied and gear lever is moved to up position in the flight deck …..This however looks like the gear just collapsed on itself and maybe from a 0:56 fatigue failure of the OLEO outer cylinder or inner cylinder which can suffer from corrosion and fractures over years of operation and should be removed /overhauled usually every 10 years ….Would be good to see when the landing gears were last overhauled and what was found during inspections and crack testing of all components within the gear assembly
If it was the Boeing 737 Max, I would be laughing because if they’re not going to use the landing gear properly, they might as well not have them at all.
@Kedvespatikus Perhaps there was sufficient pressure to sustain landing but then finally lost pressure after it had been standing for a while. I do now know how much residula pressure is kept in system while an aircraft is parked. Could it be some type of locking pin that failed?
Boeing now uses ‘old junked parts’ taken from their DISCARD PILE for their new planes being built…. So tell me….long do you EXPECT a re-cycled, broken-parts “new plane” to fly at 30,000 ft before you are yelling: “Oh my dear Lord, I’m gonna die on this damn Boeing piece of…..[transmission cut off due to crash]”?
This is airline maintenance. Boeing is too far under the FAA inspection glass to make any more mistakes and the NG has a very good safety record. And even then this plane is 16 years old. Nose collapses are often a combination of poor maintenance and a hard hit on landing. It sucks the 737 is getting such a horrible look when in reality the NG is a very very safe airplane and even the max has only had 2 fatal crashes and one fluke in manufacturing.
You can't really blame this incident on Boeing. This aircraft is nearly 16 years old (delivered in March 2009), so any manufacturing errors likely would've shown way earlier. Maintenance error is a far more likely cause here.
The aircraft was designed in the 1960s as a short-haul aircraft. In recent years, the cheap airlines have discovered it as their cash cow. They make at least 3 to 4 round trips a day with a maximum of 30 minutes downtime each, meaning no time for servicing. So what do you expect from such old machines? As you can see, the end is near.
They did NOT say it WASN’T The gear locking system !!! They just said they were not aware it was human error. When the investigation is completed; they will admit it was the airport ground staff error. But they will try to avoid blame for as long as they can, and try to see if they can wiggle themselves out of it. It’s a strategy game ♟ they play with the insurance to see who’s going to PAY 💰.
Unfortunately, human error seems most likely here again. The event occurred at a moment when the aircraft apparently had been unloaded of all its passengers and luggage, which was definitely not a time when the constraints on the front gear would be maximal, causing a mechanical failure in case any anomaly pre existed. The TUI Brussels airline rushing to release a statement that it was « unaware » of any human error may well end up an involuntary admission that they are unaware of much more, to begin with lack of professionalism from its ground crews…
Failure of the air/ground sensor? Possibly with a gradual reduction in hydraulic pressure after shut down may have resulted in the down locks not engaging due to the aircraft still sensing it in the air? Engineering would have a better opinion I would suggest.
would have had 3 greens meaning down and locked should have stayed locked regardless of hydraulic pressure if pin in deffo would not collapse i recon its a strange one collapsed oleo or damaged components hard without getting in and having a look eh
I don't see the gear folding but rather the ground collapsing underneath. See more closely at low speed. Also the definition quality of the video is bad.
I just replayed it and you're right, it's like the ground just swallows the wheel and landing gear, the landing gear appears intact when you really focus, but the ground seems to just disappear from under the wheel!
You can't blame Boeing for this one. This aircraft was delivered in March 2009, so it's nearly 16 years old. Any manufacturing errors likely would've shown way earlier. Maintenance error is a far more likely cause for this incident.
I'm rather critical of Boeing quality on several of its aircraft but this doesn't seem to he a Boeing problem. This model has a great safety record and this particular aircraft, as stated, completed over 20k successful flights. It's an outlier incident perhaps more of a maintenance issue.
It's like all mechanical things, wear and tear sometimes causes failures of parts.
The point is that this aircraft should not be having issues at this point in its lifecycle. If what the whistle-blowers have been saying is true, this type of event is exactly the type of thing you would expect to see more regularly. Sub par manufacturing won't necessarily always fail immediately, but rather will fail before it's time, even on aircraft where the maintenance schedules have been followed correctly.
@RichardMcLaren True but maintenance should prevent mishaps. Landing gear collapse of an aircraft parked at the gate is extremely rare.
@eddy66t6 I'd agree if this were more common but landing gear collapse at a gate is excessively rare. How many other NG 737's have experienced this?
It doesn't really matter. It is yet another incident with a 737 while public confidence in the type is already low, so low that there are people actively avoiding flying on the type.
This must be a maintenance problem, with over 20.000 flight cycles, a manufacturing defect would surely have been noticed sooner.
If what the whistle-blowers have been saying is true, this type of event is exactly the type of thing you would expect to see more regularly. Sub par manufacturing won't necessarily always fail immediately, but rather will fail before it's time, even on aircraft where the maintenance schedules have been followed correctly.
Why are you in defensive mode? Who are you protecting and from what?
By "maintenance" you mean manufacturing. 👍
Hey we know the ceo got to get that fat bonus every years so got blame other's 😂😂😂😂.
Boeing quality definitely has been a problem, but airline maintenance issues also seem to play a big part. I’m just glad no one got hurt. Seems like human error might have been involved…
Bro how will it be a Boeing quality problem when the plane has over 20k flight cycles
It has to be maintenance
Please read what was said.@ArjunRajesh7356
@ArjunRajesh7356 The person you are replying to never said it is a Boeing quality problem, they only said that Boeing's quality has been a problem in general (for newer planes)
I think it’s a maintenance issue...
Either a human error or problem with the gear locking system !! In both cases, nothing to blame Boeing !! NG series has a good safety record and proven good workhorse across the world !!
90% maintenance. But we cannot exclude manufacturing problems at this point. I give 1% to that (some hidden failure which popped out right now). It also could have been material fatigue - I give 9% to this.
If parked for extended time you have to install the safety-pin on the nose gear,,,100% sure this was missing
let EASA or whoever investigate before drawing any conclusions
This happens every now and then. Not just Boeings but also Airbuses.
Even with hydraulics on, you can't just lift the gear lever in the cockpit to retract the gear. The landing gears have sensors telling the aircraft it is sitting on the ground. So the control lever will be locked.
To override this you need to mask the sensors. This is a common maintenance procedures for various things. But somehow someone forgot to put the locks on the landing gears and this is what happens.
My guess is the pilots reported a fault with a navigation system, and the ramp engineer tried to test it, but missed putting in a lock.
Not a Boeing problem, an airline maintenance problem
I have worked the 737NG for many years on the line and heavy maintenance and have never witnessed the failure of the nose gear like this one …..the 737 on gear retraction rotates forward to stow in the wheel well after hydraulic pressure is applied and gear lever is moved to up position in the flight deck …..This however looks like the gear just collapsed on itself and maybe from a 0:56 fatigue failure of the OLEO outer cylinder or inner cylinder which can suffer from corrosion and fractures over years of operation and should be removed /overhauled usually every 10 years ….Would be good to see when the landing gears were last overhauled and what was found during inspections and crack testing of all components within the gear assembly
agree looks more like oleo failure
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2025 really isn't our year
It’s spent 5.8 YEARS in the air…it just needed to lay down for a rest. 😉
That sucks
Whether or not this is Boeing's fault, 2025 isn't looking to be any better for their PR than 2024 was.
So would the FDR have been wiped at this point - precluding establishing if the landing had been in any way 'heavy'?
If the landing was hard enough to collapse the nose gear an automatic warning is sent to ground crew and pilot actions get reviewed by the company.
Most likely a maintenance issue. Probably an old part that wasn't replaced within the necessary time line is what I'm speculating.
Gravity wins again🥇
If it was the Boeing 737 Max, I would be laughing because if they’re not going to use the landing gear properly, they might as well not have them at all.
Might be undetectable metal fatigue in the front wheel system or more probably hydraulic system failure.
Observations from South Africa
If it had been a hydraulic problem, the nose gear would have collapsed at touchdown, IMHO. But then the pilots could have been warned prior to that.
@Kedvespatikus Perhaps there was sufficient pressure to sustain landing but then finally lost pressure after it had been standing for a while. I do now know how much residula pressure is kept in system while an aircraft is parked. Could it be some type of locking pin that failed?
Boeing now uses ‘old junked parts’ taken from their DISCARD PILE for their new planes being built….
So tell me….long do you EXPECT a re-cycled, broken-parts “new plane” to fly at 30,000 ft before you are yelling: “Oh my dear Lord, I’m gonna die on this damn Boeing piece of…..[transmission cut off due to crash]”?
It's a maintenance issue.
unbeliveble that its what i excepted before it happened.. its TUI .. you can either expect that to happen more often with them or they will bancrupt.
This is airline maintenance. Boeing is too far under the FAA inspection glass to make any more mistakes and the NG has a very good safety record. And even then this plane is 16 years old. Nose collapses are often a combination of poor maintenance and a hard hit on landing. It sucks the 737 is getting such a horrible look when in reality the NG is a very very safe airplane and even the max has only had 2 fatal crashes and one fluke in manufacturing.
Boeing was not under any glass when this plane was manufactured...that's the point
@@eddy66t6this plane was built on 2009, nothing to see here. This is a maintenance issue.
Stress corrosion cracking?
Boeing quality nosedives.
You can't really blame this incident on Boeing. This aircraft is nearly 16 years old (delivered in March 2009), so any manufacturing errors likely would've shown way earlier. Maintenance error is a far more likely cause here.
Opening comment to see what people who don't know anything about Aviation say about aviation.
The aircraft was designed in the 1960s as a short-haul aircraft. In recent years, the cheap airlines have discovered it as their cash cow. They make at least 3 to 4 round trips a day with a maximum of 30 minutes downtime each, meaning no time for servicing. So what do you expect from such old machines? As you can see, the end is near.
They did NOT say it WASN’T The gear locking system !!! They just said they were not aware it was human error. When the investigation is completed; they will admit it was the airport ground staff error. But they will try to avoid blame for as long as they can, and try to see if they can wiggle themselves out of it. It’s a strategy game ♟ they play with the insurance to see who’s going to PAY 💰.
Maintenance error or Boeing error, it has not been a good few weeks to fly...
Unfortunately, human error seems most likely here again. The event occurred at a moment when the aircraft apparently had been unloaded of all its passengers and luggage, which was definitely not a time when the constraints on the front gear would be maximal, causing a mechanical failure in case any anomaly pre existed.
The TUI Brussels airline rushing to release a statement that it was « unaware » of any human error may well end up an involuntary admission that they are unaware of much more, to begin with lack of professionalism from its ground crews…
Failure of the air/ground sensor? Possibly with a gradual reduction in hydraulic pressure after shut down may have resulted in the down locks not engaging due to the aircraft still sensing it in the air? Engineering would have a better opinion I would suggest.
would have had 3 greens meaning down and locked should have stayed locked regardless of hydraulic pressure
if pin in deffo would not collapse i recon its a strange one collapsed oleo or damaged components hard without getting in and having a look eh
LOL! Probably not even Boeing's fault, probably a maintenance issue. But it makes the aircraft look shoddy.
Tired, Just having a Power Nap
Plane got tired.. 💤
Or it bowed to the King of Belgium passing by in the area?
EVERYTHING is Boeing's fault these days...even 16 years after they last touched it.
Nobody said its their fault here. But public perception is adding up.
he literally just said this wasn't boeing's fault
@@kingsamvisuals "Yet", someone will.
@@jeffssaundersyep someone did🤣
Many of these people that understand nothing about aviation open their mouths too much
16 years, 9 years shy of long enough.
Bring back Britannia.
"Which aircraft is my flight ma'am."
"Boe.."
"It's okay ma'am, I'll walk and swim the ocean."
It made it to the destination, deplaned its passengers and crew, ensured no ramp workers around and took a bow. 🤣
Agree with others, maintenance.
I don't see the gear folding but rather the ground collapsing underneath. See more closely at low speed. Also the definition quality of the video is bad.
Then why didn't the press statement tell us about it? A hole in the ground isn't really difficult to understand if one would be there.
I just replayed it and you're right, it's like the ground just swallows the wheel and landing gear, the landing gear appears intact when you really focus, but the ground seems to just disappear from under the wheel!
WTF is going on with this POS jet. The original 737 was an unbelievable workhorse, all the upgrades are deadly aircraft. This jet must be grounded
The 737 has had a number of incidents and accidents since new
Partly due to the sheer number of them
It's been a regular on Aircrash Investigation ...
Great time to pop a yo mama joke
I swear, Boeing are paying hard for the bots on this comment section...
Reminds of the Singapore airlines a330
Reminds me of Jeju Air.
Why it’s always boeing even if it’s not there fault 💀
Because you are biased to only remember Boeing problems.
Cheap planes for cheap airlines.
Just another BOEING AIRCRAFT...
You can't blame Boeing for this one. This aircraft was delivered in March 2009, so it's nearly 16 years old. Any manufacturing errors likely would've shown way earlier. Maintenance error is a far more likely cause for this incident.