Jaguar / Land Rover dealers are suing Tata after contracts torn up
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- Jaguar / Land Rover dealers are suing Tata after contracts torn up
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Having worked with JLR in the UK for many years, I think your thoughts of an imminent demise are spot on. They are painfully slow to innovate and on every level, they seem to be only interested in driving internal costs down by any means. External suppliers only retain or win contracts if they are the cheapest in their field and sadly gone are the days when quality mattered the most. New car warranty claims and vehicle breakdown cases are the highest of any brand available in Europe. Such a shame.
And yet they still see themselves as some unimpeachable brand!
The new Defender is ridiculously over-priced, especially considering it is manufactured in Slovakia and not the UK.
Apparently, the plan for Jaguar is to try and move the brand even further 'upmarket' so they are competing with (and costing the same as) Bentley! No doubt the 'chuck it together as cheaply as you can' philosophy to manufacturing will remain though!
As a guy who works in a Tier 1 supplier for JLR this is painfully accurate. A premium brand who squeeze us for every penny.
It's really interesting to hear that. I work for JLR as well, and I've never really heard that kind of stuff before although I work really really far away from manufacturing or sale. Do you work around a dealership or factory?
As a vehicle repairer, I say this product is mediocre at best. Buy this, if you hate yourself.
As a junior dentist, I disagree
As a product specialist, I disagree
The middlemen professional "car flippers" called dealers need to go. The consumers have become sick of being ripped off by then. A middlemen who wants his "cut," just like the mafia does, only exists to rip off their client. Manufacturers need to sell and service their own vehicles, avoiding the extra costs of conmen middlemen, mostly owned by multi-million and multi-billion dollar auto groups.
You call them "car flippers" I call them retail locations. You do understand that cars are just another retail product?
@@ChrisH421 Then there should not be anything preventing auto manufacturers from selling directly to the consumer, should there? In the modern age of the internet, other business are allowed to sell directly to the consumers alongside retailers. The auto dealership states monopoly, which is against federal anti-monopoly laws, needs to end. Dealers get vehicles much cheaper than the MSRP (I know because I've had 2 in my family) so manufacturers can sell half the EVs to dealers and the other half directly to the consumer. This needs to be taken to the public and they will vote out the bought politicians protecting them. Allow ALL manufacturers to sell directly to the consumer. Period.
The irony is that it should take just ONE dealer in a given area that was honest and sold at no-haggle MSRP to outcompete all the con artist stealerships. In the age of the internet, if that were the case, people would know about it and the stealerships would fail. Since they haven't, it basically means there is not a single HONEST dealer in that area.
@@Paul-cj1wb Do you understand what a monopoly is? That would mean all dealerships were owned by one entity. Go try and buy some alcoholic beverages direct from the manufacturer and let me know how that works out for you. All retail locations buy in bulk below msrp and then resell at a higher price that is how they make money it is not unique to the auto industry.
@@ChrisH421 Fine. A cartel. Just like the OPEC cartel. They band together and control price. Dealers band together as one entity under their states Auto Dealers Association to control the auto business to have new vehicles sold only through them. Alcohol, just like cigarettes are controlled due to minors. Equate dealers to buying a house. Imagine if all house builders would be forced to sell their new properties only to flippers. Flippers exist there, yes, but it's illegal. Where in the auto industry, they are forced to sell directly to these flippers, which buy in bulk and then sell it whatever price they want. All the vain threats of allotments are just that, vain threats, because the state politicians protect the dealership cartel. Most of which are owned by filthy rich multi-million and multi-billion dollar auto groups. That's why Warren Buffet owns over 9 billion dollars worth of them because he calls what they have is a "moat," meaning all the state politicians who protect this cartel.
Currently, a customer orders a car from a legacy manufacturer over the internet at a said price, only to get to the dealer and discover that the price is now much higher due to "market conditions" or "addons" he never asked for. So the dealers simply says take it or leave it. You have no choice. There's nothing the manufacturers can do about it. Just like a cartel. Here's my price, take it or leave it. You never have that when ordering a Tesla, or a Rivian, or a Lucid. When you order from them, you get what to asked for and the price you asked for.
Allow auto manufacturers to sell directly to the consumer. This is going to be exposed in a court case sooner or later and the main media will be all over it. In the internet age, the voters will get rid of said politicians protecting them.
The Jaguar iPace isn't selling for several reasons: 1: It's very, very expensive for what you get, 2: It's got a massive 94kWh battery yet only gets about 230 miles range (for comparison the Tesla Model Y has a 75kWh battery and gets roughly 300+ miles of range), 3: at launch Jaguar said the car would get over-the-air software updates, I do not believe there has been a single OTA update for the iPace ever?..... I could go on and on....
I actually own an ipace and have gotten ota updates. The ipace is beautifully crafted, silent on the road, has awd, does 0 to 60 in 4.2sec and is loaded for 75k. We love the car. There hadn't been any inventory because of chip shortages. It really is an incredible car. Service has been amazing too.
Electric cars are the industries latest con. Will never buy one.
@@frankparisi2433 Glad you like it, and I honestly was not aware of any iPace OTA updates. I love my Tesla Model Y, only got it in November last year, and I've had half-a-dozen OTA updates since then, which added new features or improved existing features.
You really should not lie. Land Rover already have many PHEVs some of which can do 70 miles elec only and have stated that 6 electric only models will be available in 2024. Jaguar Land Rover quarterly sales rebounded as the chips crunch eased and
Jaguar Land Rover's wholesale volumes increased 15 percent to 79,591 in the quarter ending Dec. 31. 2022
Another negative article,which ignores current high demand for products
Spot-on Sam... Just as happened with Rover handing the MG brand to China, so Tata will sell Jaguar to a Chinese OEM. I owned a couple of classic MG roadsters (MG BGT and a MG TF) and while delightfully earthy little cars, they spent more time in the workshop than on the road. The new Chinese EV MG's are surprisingly good - and is a fine revival for the MG brand. Something similar will happen with the Jaguar brand, and while traditionalists will lament the passing of the current era of Jaguar, what may come in future may be really good.
Well said.
It was a shame what happened to Rover & MG. They used to be quality brands. But in the 70s Great Britain nationalised companies like Morris, Jaguar, MG, Rover, Triumph et al under British Leyland and it later became synonymous with garbage. Turns out unions and nationalised industry don't make great cars. After years of neglect the Conservatives tried to reprivatise the viable remnants like Jaguar while others became zombie brands including MG. Personally I'm ambivalent. I test drove a Rover 100 (a rebadged MG Metro) in the 90s and it was garbage. And yet I preordered an MG4 EV in 2023. I have zero nostalgia for the brand but I also know that it's not the same company as it was so it's little more than a moniker. If it means better uptake of EVs then that's great I guess. At the end of the day it's just a sticker on the front of a car and it's no sign of quality in and of itself.
I wish JLR the best of luck in the future I love the two brands would be a hell of a shame to lose these brands
They are both crap and deserve to go under. They've been selling mediocre cars to snobs for decades and sadly the snobs have all passed on due to old age.
Really interesting. Thank you!!
Many people think the dealers are owned by the manufacturer, so when they have a bad experience at the dealer, the manufacturer gets blamed.
The JPace was a pice of rubbish. Glitchy and unreliable with very very low range.
there is a brand new Jaguar/Landrover dealership that just opened up in woodland hills in LA. it a beautiful building and I thought its bound to be an electric car dealership....... couldnt believe my eyes when they put up the landrover logo..... Even now I cant believe it. I honestly dont know how they will survive.
i live in north texas, and within 30 miles, there are close to 20 brand spanking new gas stations. what is the payback period? who financed? do they have their collective heads in the sand? gas sales arent going away right away, but they will be down at least 50% in 10 years, at the very least.
@@scottmcshannon6821 There are 290.8 million cars in the U.S. as of September 2022. This number includes all vehicles, including cars, SUVs, vans, and other medium- and heavy-duty vehicles that were registered between 2021 and 2022. Only a little over 1.7 million of them are EVs…… Do you seriously believe that that number of ICE vehicles is going to be cut in half in 10 years?
@@coolranch1660 tes, by then it will be illegal to build new ICE vehicles, and the used will die off slow;ly to moderately.
@@coolranch1660 If you like the earth not burning up from pollution let along how sick people get from ICE pollution. I hope EV's take off like the smart phone. Everyone has to have one.
@@scottmcshannon6821 In 10 years it will be illegal to build new ICE vehicles? LMAO Bro.... do you know how to do a Google search? 'Cause you should. Your Welcome!
Too much money needed to compete in the luxury car sector. The Indians are doing better with old British motor cycle company names - sticking british company name badges on products which are often designed and manufactured outside the UK.. If the Chinese get hold of the Jaguar Land Rover name they might do something with it.
The Chinese have taken the MG name and put the badge on a half decent car. What is wrong with that ? Successive British governments (Tory and Labour) failed to create the environment for innovation and have allowed the engineering industry to wither away. While the UK still does scientific innovation it doesn't do engineering and with young people avoiding engineering like the plague maybe it is time to let companies like Jaguar Land Rover die off and spend the money on something else..
Problem is Britain doesn't do Engineering because firms like JLR make a regular car, try to sell it as a luxury car whilst not investing or paying their staff well. PPM. According to google Britain pays its Engineers 40% less than other countries, working conditions are crap compaired to europe and firms expect people to go above and beyond working many hours for free. And lets not mention training and mentoring young Engineers because training is a dirty word in this supossed work shy Britain.
JLR will go to the wall for the same reasons all previous British manufacturers died. Greed, Talentless management, No vision or lip sevice to vision at best & China.
In 2014 JLR proudly opened a brand new purpose built factory near Wolverhampton to make a brand new in-house designed engine....Just as it was becoming obvious that power trains were going electric...What a massive waste of £1 billion!....JLR have always seen themselves as competitors to the German luxury brands, so using other companies engines (Ford, VM and modified Chevy V8's)....was just not on.oh no,.they had to design and build their own...This now looks like the macho, 'banana down the trousers' act that it was...Should have put the money into electric motor/battery technology.
Your conclusion is accurate I’d say!
The momentum is for cars to be sold and delivered direct and dealers to be repair/maintenance service centers and those expensive dealership properties will go broke.
How so? Most of these companies trying to go your model, are going bust. Tesla has to use GM DEALERSHIPS to help repair their golf carts, since facilities that are service ONLY, are a net COST.
And most people would rather visit a dealer to test drive THE CAR THEY WANT TO BUY. They have no wish to drive a car that WON'T be theirs, and buy sight unseen risking a LEMON.
@billcichoke2534 wrong. The margin for a JLR dealer selling new cars is tiny. All the profit is in servicing and 'on brand' part exchange sales. But one drives the other.
@@TheFlyingJanner Only if the service center gets those parts at a discount from the manufacturer. If not, then it's a net loss.
As you said correctly, one drives the other. The margins on sales are slim, but that's what backs the service center up. Remember, they also have to do warranty work, which they DON'T get paid for.
How do you sue a company that is out of business. Dealers have to have seen the writing on the wall with lost sales and bad products.
dealerships are gone, doesnt matter if the car company does it or reality does it stealerships are dead, there is nothing that can be done. the new reality is there will be no stealerships period. it may be possble to stretch it out for a while, and that will just ensure the car maker doesnt survive either.
Apart from the electrification issue, JLR are ludicrously expensive. I specc’d a Defender and it was well north of£70k!!! It maybe a luxury brand but £70k? There will be a number of lesser names that may completely disappear as they have no viable electrification on the horizon, and probably hope to sell their diesel UT’s for as long as possible. Shame really. As a side issue the cost of EV’s is wwaaayyyy too high as a direct comparison to petrol equivalents-is this profiteering as most motorists cannot afford £43k+ on an EV, and also cannot afford the PCP repayments. Something’s got to give.
Don’t agree , there is massive demand for JLR products but the chip shortage has hit them hard so they have been manufacturing the big , expensive products that give most return with the few chips they do have . The dealerships however are arrogant , expensive and provide a poor service , I believe Tesla has shown they are not needed. As for reliability it is improving but when a car is state of the art and fully loaded with lots of electronics to compare it on an even playing field with a cheap car with hardly any gadgets , that has tried and tested electronics from being second or third generation having been handed down from other more premium brands in their stable is hardly fair.
Very true..
I am a dyed in the wool Jag Man so it is very sad for me to see this long and painful decline. I think the Land Rover side is faring better than the Jaguar side but as others have said - their refusal to get on with electrification may be their eventual undoing. Even the well received if pricey i-pace is not a JLR car but built under license. They doubled down on "ingenium" diesel engines. A great shame.
I like Landrover styling and history. But damn no plans for EV?
It will probably die and get picked up pennies on the dollar, and produce EVs afterall 😊
@@stevenjones916 I have just had a look at the official website and can't find anything at all about new EVs to be launched. If you can supply a link then I would be very interested. Even if this is the case 2024 is way too late to be announcing EVs.
Agreed. I see Land Rovers everywhere. Very rare to see a new Jag in London now.
Dealerships personify the slicker than snot, contemptuous attitude of its employees, I desc8bed Toyota one time as having to buy diamonds from a Leper colony, so their move to push these dealers into their next career is a great idea
The only way JLR will survive is if BMW Group or possibly Volkswagen Group bought them.
But why would they?
Their badge is reasonably prestigious but their reliability is woeful. (I’ve personal experience of many JLR vehicles from early 90’s and onwards and they were progressively worse).
I tried a JLR as I wanted to buy British, but after a string of terrible reliability issues I’ve gone back to the German brands. Last 2 years have been brilliant (thanks BMW 😊)
@@cp4512 last i heard BMW aren't exactly known for high levels of reliability.
@@enadegheeghaghe6369 our BMW has been faultless. The Land Rover was constantly at the garage, especially with electrics. Never buying JLR ever again.
@@cp4512 Just think how awesome it will be when the car is 100% dodgy electronic systems
I worked at my local 5:14 5:14 Landrover dealer for a while
I can remember three very expensive showroom/image refits costing many hundreds of thousands each time and then they were asked to bid for their own business by building a new L/R jaguar showroom they were willing to invest 6 million to continue with the very good business that they had built over the last 20 years but we’re outbid by another motor group who spent 9 million on a facility.
I am sure the original dealer has had the best deal by being knocked out of it by the greedy awful motor group who took over.
I don’t like Land Rover is where there problem is in terms of selling cars I think they have year plus waiting lists on most cars at least here in the uk like vogue and sport and defender but agree they should get some electric offerings I think they would be a big success for them especially in uk with tax incentives
I have read that they were going to use bmw stuff from i5
Maybe SAIC should buy Jaguar LR as they have turnaround MG. Indians aren't as clever, in EVs Chinese are light-years ahead
yea, they are quite savvy in battery tech
It will be more like Volvo than MG...and will end up making amazing cars like Volvo does...ideally still with the beauty that is uniquely Jaguar (and LR). They make the coolest cars on the road in terms of form and frankly interiors are superb too. I have had Porsche and Jaguar and the Jaguar is actually a better made car.
Real joke: Some years ago, I went to a Land Rover dealer in Beijing to inquire about Range Rover Evoque , but expressed concerns about its reliability. About the next year, the sales of the dealership called me and said that the Evoque sold in China is produced by the Chery Automobile, and the reliability has been significantly improved. Do you think about it again? You must know that Chery Automobile in those days have not completely got rid of the notoriety of queuing up for car repairs ~
A point of clarification.
In 2019 BMW and Jaguar / Land Rover signed an agreement to co-develop EV platforms the first of which will arrive in 2024 with model year 2025 cars.
Great! perhaps BMW will buy LR back, redesign it and elerctrify it then sell it to ford...again! And by then ford will be owned by BYD... who will also own BMW... LOL
The showroom you show in the video, is just up the road from my mum's house in city of Brighton and Hove.
Tesla direct selling their cars without dealership costs gives them a competitive advantage that the auto industry is going to be forced to follow. Tesla have been able to do this because pure electric cars have less need for servicing and maintenance. It is not much more complex than this.
EV cars are loaded with electronics. They are very complex. I personally need service centers. If not I would buy a Fisker. We drove cross country with our BMW and broke down. We limped into a local dealer. What do you do when there isn't a service center near you when your car breaks down?
@@frankparisi2433 Evs need less servicing because the drive chain has far less moving parts. All modern cars are loaded with electronics but there are no servicing requirements in the service interval books unless something fails.
There is no requirement for a repair garage to also be a dealership.
@@Sendu7 Tesla keep the info on how to do repairs very much to themselves. There is also a chronic lack of spares for Tesla.
I won't be buying one anytime soon.
Tata isn’t the high almighty multinational many would claim it is. Tata are making the iPhone India for Apple. They have a 40% success rate. Chinese firms were reaching 98%. Indian culture is money obsessed more so than most other cultures and this manifests itself in their work ethic, where Apple have reported they are struggling with the difference in attitude between Chinese and Indian suppliers. You can imagine Tata have been breathing down on JLR regarding profit margins, and it’s now coming back to bite them. I feel sorry for JLR. They had their 4WD tech taken by BMW in the early 2000s, most cost cutting by Ford after that, and while things started well during Tata ownership, it’s going downhill fast now. Before that they were owned by the shit show that was the government owned BL. Fantastic designs and brilliant engineering, ruined by lack of investment.
Tatas only started making iPhones now, the Chinese have been doing this for over a decade
Hey Tata revived JLR and has invested billions into it most of the JLR success happened after the Tata bought it from ford they helped JLR to restructure its business model and its not like Tata is doing nothing like they are planning to setup a battery manufacturing gigafactory for JLR . ITS the responsibility of JLR to innovate and make necessary changes
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Jag and land rover have two very distinct issues. They are great cars when everything works. And land rover has gotten a pretty bad press over the last few years over their reliability. They are so high tech that when they have a problem, nobody knows how to fix them. If they do know how they stay away because of the strip down to get to a small part. If dealers cant resolve issues, what are they good for? And that has to be put back on the OEM. They deserve each other.
Have a Disco which is a great car but its a few years old & has electrical issues. You are correct, no one can fix it. If I had the knowledge would rip out most of the systems & keep it for ever.
@@smartiecooper4702 these issues can happen to any car. I had an Astra, great car but kept having airbag/ engine failure lights come up. Three trips to dealer who replaced a shit load of stuff and it persisted. I would say the Disco would be leaps and bounds more complex than my ex car. I bet that has put a dent in your faith in the brand too. I stayed away from Euro cars after that.
@@pete6122 so you do understand what is happpening, hahahahaha
It is written in the wall. Most dealers will most likely disappear. It should not be a surprise. Why are dealerships fighting Tesla in the USA? Same reason, they will die. So if someone is working there, they better plan an exit or get skills for EVs because transformation is in progress!
Both brands make crap - they need to go out of business.
I can’t even buy a 2023 Land Rover. They have no stock and when they do it is $50,000 over list! Not sure what their problem is but they are not doing well.
Some Chinese company is going to buy JLR in the near future, the talks may already be going on. They may be reducing the dealer margins now so that the buyer won't be the bad guy. The Chinese company that buys them is just looking for a brand name and a dealer network but not an expensive network. The Chinese cars that are doing well in Europe are Volvo and MG, people still think that those brands are European even though they aren't. The JLR brands would be very valuable to a Chinese company.
Yes, definitely as Tata or other Indian companies seem not ready to produce high class cars in any way.
BMW dealerships are legally owned by BMW. The dealership shops are operated by those who used to be the owners, but for many years now BMW has bought out the dealerships.
Dealerships are not owned by BMW in USA
Get woke, go broke. Most car manufacturers are making huge cutbacks after committing to EVs and losing huge amounts of money as no one is buying them.
You want to see massive depreciation you buy a Land Rover, Jag or Mercedes !
Look at MG and Rover. Rover is now Roewe! MG no longer makes quirky fun sports cars.
All manufacturers are moving to direct sales, not just JLR. And Jaguar only sell about 60K cars per year. This is BS.
We’re good at making pegs & candles though 😊
Are we totally certain that it's because I don't do any EV or is it because they don't make enough cars because of the chip shortage? Some sort of hybrid or EV with range extension I would say is the way forward.
The brand is worthless if the product is mediocre.
The future of EV is dead in its tracks...so not a problem.
Range Rovers a far from mediocre
if they get rid of the dealerships, then who is going to fix all the fu*k ups from the factory?
Warranty issues have decreased markedly over the last 40 years, and have taken a steep drop with the better EVs. Much more cost-effective to have warranty work done by approved independent repair shops than by dealer workshops with high overheads.
@@davidinkster1296 You are so wrong. Lots of troubles with ev's. Firestone can't fix these cars. I can take my gmc pickup anywhere but not my ipace.
@@frankparisi2433 Thank you. I will remove Ipace from my shortlist.
The reason why they not selling cars because the price went nuts for the last few years to buy a new JLR. My first RRS was 70k, now you can’t event get one for 150k!
My first RR autobiography was 93k, now its close to 180k!
Reduce price, get more sales… i get that they want to compete with bentley, aston martin and other high end suv makers but they will lose their core buyers if they do so.
Why buy a RR for 170k when you can get something more exclusive and better equipped with a smaller increase of funds?
The problem is that 1) Jags no longer look like Jags. Take the badge off and they could be a Ford, Kia or Hyundai. “Space, grace & pace” they’re not! 2) The leadership at Jag is on a mission to “reimagine” the brand, which resulted in them killing off the new XJ at the very last second, which is utterly moronic!, and 3) Their quality is crap. JLR could and should have sorted this out a very long time ago, by standing over suppliers whilst holding a cattle prod, and sorting out their build QC by aping Toyota / Lexus.
Go sit in an fpace, ipace. These cars ooze with luxury and style.
@@frankparisi2433
And look totally anonymous…
2:18 NB: Half the dealer margin to a maximum of 9%... which implies that dealers have a margin of 18% maximum currently...
Not a chance. Its a few percent at best after factoring in warranty etc.
I am in the US and I just bought a Range Rover last year. I love the car, but they really need to step up their game.
Perfect !!! Been thinking to electrify my much loved old Discovery 4 for some time now …
Been wanting to do the same to my '04 Disco2.
Seek psychological help immediately.
What goes around comes around!
If you treat your dealers like shit, just you watch the maintenance department charge a bloody fortune for Servicing!
I think you're right, Jaguar is likely to be sold to one of the big Chinese EV makers. The only problem with that is that the cars might be to reliable for Jag fans.
Too
My Ipace went almost 3 years and 70k miles before it had any need for repair.
Thank you.
I can not see jaguar in particular surviving beyond the next 18 months. Land rover have a big following, despite the OEM leaving their traditional customers behind. But without a serious EV transition plan, I don't see them around beyond 2027 when most new cars will be EV.
really were is the Electricity coming from then
@@10wanderer from a variety of sources. As always. In the UK right now, 53% renewables, 14.5% gas, 14% nuclear and 19% other. Mainly links with other European countries.
That's pretty average for the time of year.
Ireland is 52% renewables, 21.5% gas, 5% coal and 17% imported from other European countries. Again, pretty average for the time of year.
I don't think the Chinese will want another British brand that will compete with MG. MG had always had a good reputation while Jaguar although it shined at the offset wasn't that popular for various reasons.
Jaguar doesn't sell anything new in the moment because they're fully focused on a family of cars based on the Panthera platform, a bespoke EV platform we knew it since 2019 or 2020 that the Jaguar will be rebooted in 2025 !
One would have thought the simple step of EV models being manufactured under new brand banners would mitigate this very problem and as ICE sales drop away as they surely will in the coming years, can simply die off leaving EV brands unscathed.
Don't the dealer contracts guarantee the dealer he right to sell any of the products manufactured by Jaguar within a geographic area ? I always assumed that was the case, otherwise the franchise fee would be worthless if a name change could shut them out.
@@kirkellis4329 exactly my point. Seperate the brands. Ice will die.
Nobody is making money on RV’s apart from Tesla. Some will wait until they do before making them
I don’t understand in India Tata is at the forefront for EV’s . If they choose they can easily do it . Wonder what’s stopping them
Well the customers are not getting a reduced margin that’s for sure. 100k for a car
I hope that the brand doesn't get sold to the Chinese. It should be a European or American buyer.
I fear you may be correct with your predictions for Jaguar, I hope you are wrong. My F Pace is the best car I have owned since my couple of Alfas in the early 2000’s 156 and 159 Sportwagons. It has character and I’d very much like another one in a year or so.
The dealers could hold the inventory hostage. Although there's only a few percent of total vehicles in the dealers hands, it could be an ace up their sleeves. Or at least a bargaining chip.
No, I don't play poker.
No contracts were "torn up", they expired...
2:11 can any one tell me how they make that video? do they use drone flying through those windows? seems unlikely, so how did they make that video?
I believe it was a drone. You can see the guy lean back in the seat as the shot went in front of him sitting in the car. They can do so much now with drones.
@@EricWalkerArkansas 😲😲😲
Jag announced few days ago few more EV models. Details to follow and first orders could be placed by end of the year. No real info only usual - it will be good and expensive. Time will tell what is on offer.
I’ll still buy the new full size RR once the recession kicks in and everyone panics.
The Planet thanks us ❤
Tata should sell it off.
Dead right. The hollowed-out shell of Jag will be sold as a brand to a Chinese org. I's a lesson to the (very few) folks who are at all interested in the demise of a Brit institution. I had 2 of them, like they always used to say in the states: "It's a great car! So buy 2! That way you will always have 1 in the shop, and the other to drive."
Can’t wait for a Jaguar 3 like a electric Golf or mg4. Ool😮
Do you think it would be beneficial to buy a range rover at this time? If so does this make the range less expensive?
Buy a Defender, they will be the best option
Just go to the factory and get your problem fixed their. Ha!
Jag / Land Rover need fanboys. Nobody with any sense will call a Car great, if the car has to spend 20% of its life in the workshop. It is like saying someone has great health when he has to be in hospital 5 days every month for treatment..
I’m one of the few fanboys!
@@vaultdweller2287 So, what's your second car, or do you take a taxi everytime you luxury junk needs to be in the shop.
@@hclau218 they’re actually reliable if you take care of them and don’t be cheap
@@vaultdweller2287 No, they are not. I had a Range Rover for a year. Kept having to send back to the dealer service centre for all kinds of minor irrigation. No major failures, but just small problems kept coming up. Sold it at a huge loss!! Don't have such problems with my other car (Japanese)
I love my Velar, great car, but have to agree there are some problems. Requires full set of dusxs and pads£2,000 every 10,000 miles. I'm on second set. Why? No one seems to know but most Velar owners have same problem. I did some research! The Velar is best described as a design mule for Range Rover. New Sport looks very similar. They pulled on the Janguar F Pace for mechanics, but guess what. Brakes are from the Janguar XE. That weighsx1,500kg, Velar just over 2,000kg. What do you think? Cickup springs to mind.
But still love it.
Bring on e ethonol. Eventually electric but we badly need a gap fill now. Carbon neutral fuels.
The main manufacturers will try & kill e fuels. They wont you to waste your money on electric battery driven cars which are an up & coming environmental disaster.
E-Fuels are the most stupid idea to save actual ICE cars, hydrogen is good just for ships, tractors and airplanes but the infrastructure is idiotic and fuel cells with hydrogen or methanol all need servicing. So all other solutions than batteries are not competitive and cell chemistry changes now very quickly. Don’t forget that we had until now to produce mediocre ICE engines that are extremely complexe of 100 years. But for electric motors too so we now just put the best technologies together. The equivalent for a similar car with batteries to petrol is 2 litres to 10 litres on 100 km!
I suspect these dealerships will find no shortage of Chinese brands anxious to exploit the empty showrooms…. Shame that Jaguar and LR brands will go the same way as all the other former prestigious UK car brands!
Jaguar and Land Rover will likely be the first auto makers to go bankrupt, soon after; Chrystler and Honda, along with many others over the next decade.
Why say so? Any backup data?
Dealerships add overhead and cost and take a slice of the profit. Additionally their poor behavior reflects poorly on the brand.
I'm actually quite optimistic for Jaguar. They are developing a separate platform for Jaguar probably in order to make the sale fo Jaguar separately from Land Rober easier. Their productions are not mediocre, they make great cars. Sure they have yet to prove they can continue making compelling EVs, but given their plan to compete Bentley, going further upmarket, reducing volume, it makes only sense to reduce the dealerships as well. Let's just wait and see what they come up with in 2025. I think they can pull it of. Jaguar is still a desireable brand.
Owned by an India corporation, it will fail due to corruption.
Those new range rovers are amazing, defender is awesome and the rest of the product sucks.
Who would buy a car made by TaTa motors?
Land Rovers are designed and made in the UK.
Well, the ones I would buy.
@@user-ug8wx5er1wmade in india😅😅😅😅
It will end up in VW,s lap,just think what Vw have in there portfolio.. bentley ,lamborghini, bugatti, all luxury brands.
Tata is an unethical and shady company. This is no surprising because of the poor quality and workmanship of their cars, before they bought Land Rover and Jaguar.
well said...they only are big because of the corruption and bribes they pay over in India to keep out competition
Overpriced, badly made, unreliable vehicles, now owned by Tata, the king of crappy cars. What can go wrong.
Do people still buy cars from suited slimeballs in shiny showrooms? (like the alliteration?)
So potential customers are going to spend £100 k plus on a vehicle via the internet..
Are you for real.. 😮
This is nonsense people want a person to deal with at face value,when splashing this type of money.
Especially if there are issues..
Tata if true are making a mistake..
As I currently are owner of landrover products 2023.
Will not do it via a e-commerce dealer..
No way hose aye
EV’s are not the future.
With ICE car sales rapidly declining - what we see is inevitable - dealerships, auto-makers and unions are already fighting over the scraps - but in a few very short years, there will be nothing left to fight over...EVs have less parts and are more reliable, dealerships not really required - to remain competitive, cars have to be assembled by robots - goodbye Unions. And well-paid execs? Are getting out while they can....if they don't change quickly - auto-makers will be sunk without trace...
I really just do not feel sorry for any auto dealership. They have ripped people off for longer than I’ve been alive. The only thing that is going to get my attention is a no frills low cost mass produced vehicle. All these overpriced bloated vehicles are junk.
I wish to have a Range Rover with a Toyota engine and transmission
Sad sad sad.
Tata is global leader
Dealers are the reason people choosing these cars over Tesla.Get rid of the dealers and they will be eaten by Tesla.
I can understand why Tata would want to wind down JLR production - building those cars in the UK after brexit can't make good business sense.
There's a big Land Rover factory in Slovakia and the electric Jag is made by Magna Steyr in Austria.
Another Brexit dividend!
Tata its screwing us... i hope they will go down
1) This video is dated 4 months ago and you’re saying they have no concrete plans for EVs. Reimagined? Just because they haven’t told you their plans doesn’t mean they don’t have any.
2) You don’t necessarily have a clue what might happen with this brand, despite all your speculation here. Businesses have problems and transitional periods all the time. Stop being so alarmist, my gawd. Aston Martin went bankrupt 13 times. It’s like a favourite pastime.
I think you pretty well summed up the JLR situation, not exactly renowned for their reliability, big vehicles, big price tag, big fuel consumption for people on big salaries.
JLR has been poorly led for decades. At some point the party is over.
Serves them right for all the gas guzzlers they have sold
Why dose it serve them rite for selling gas guzzlers as you say? 🤔 I understand he was saying they havnt bought an EV to market yet but if there able to sell what they've got then I dont see the relavance? I read sales have declined because of something todo with a microchip shortage 🤔
Huh?
Have you seen lithium and cobalt mines?!
Tata is taking Jag and the others to the grave....
You are so wrong on JLR EV plans. Land Rover will have a all electric Range Rover in 2024 on the MLA flex platform.
Jaguar is working on a all new electric platform panthera and will turn Jaguar into a all electric brand by 2025.
Discovery and other Land Rover products will be made on the new MLE platform which basically will be a more efficient BEV platform.
Yes, their are shrinking their dealership network to to do direct EV sales, but so is everyone else. EVs do not require engine maintenance and therefore you don’t need a dealership support
On why Jaguar didn’t build up on I pace is simple. Actually they did, they worked on XJ and realised the product will not have a chance to complete at that price level and specs.
They realised that sharing an old ice platform to make EVs won’t allow them to make great products. They went back to the drawing board, a brave thing to do
Ford sold Jaguar to Tata and ultimately it may get sold or dumped. The problem with the Chinese is that they are not doing that well. The Jaguar network infrastructure could both help and be a big problem at the same time because of the dealership model. Only time will tell.