The History of PROG in 60 albums | Part 4 | In Every Shape | 1980-89
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Andy is a drummer, producer and educator. He has toured the world with rock legend Robert Plant and played on classic prog albums by Frost and IQ.
As a drum clinician he has played with Terry Bozzio, Kenny Aronoff, Thomas Lang, Marco Minneman and Mike Portnoy.
He also teaches drums privately and at Kidderminster College
Andy,
I would say that Kansas with Leftoverture and Point of Know Return in 1976 and 1977 had already introduced a more accessible type of Prog. Both albums went 4x Platinum in the US. Both albums had hit songs, Carry on Wayward Son and Dust in the Wind. The rest of both albums had plenty of tempo and time signatures, with key signature changes, use of counterpoint, modal modulation and dynamics. Both albums have instrumentals. Magnum Opus is over 8 minutes long. Both albums are symphonic in sections, but certainly has the American style of hard rock imprinted on the albums. And yes, there are plenty of guitar, keyboard and violin solos.
As I said in an earlier post in your previous video, punk rock was a NYC and LA thing in the US. In the rest of the United States in the Prog vs Punk world, A discussion in high school and college would have been much more likely to whether you picked up the latest Pink Floyd, Kansas or Rush album or if you scored tickets to the latest Yes or Jethro Tull concerts than what any Punk band was doing. And even with NYC being a hotbed of Punk, the Ramones were playing clubs and small theaters. Yes was selling out Madison Square Garden 4 nights in a row in 1977. ELP did the same.
And out in the other place where Punk was popular, LA, Black Flag and others had their fans, but that paled in comparison to say Van Halen, whose debut sold in the 10s of millions.
Punks influence was hyped up by musical journalists like Christgau and Bangs, to a degree that has twisted the true history of rock. One, that you mentioned that Punk killed Prog, which is demonstrably untrue. In turn, Prog has been knocked to the backburner of rock history, an asterisk in some rock histories. Again, demonstrably untrue.
I also think the punk vs. prog debate should be limited to England.
In continental Europe, punks had other things to do than a) argue about music and b) get serious about it.
Last week I was working out in my head, which albums you would choose for the 80's. I guessed right for several. Including, (drumroll) "Album" by P.I.L. Yes, it is definitely prog. Also glad you found the beauty of Cardiacs. They are the greatest band ever.
Cardiacs are arent they? I think so...who'd have thought it...?
Glad you mentioned Cardiacs.I particularly liked their "official" debut later in the 80's- A Little Man A House and The Whole World Window.
I just paused to watch Cardiac's Tarred and Feathered. I'd throw a little Marat/Sade into that mix as well. That was nuts.I loved it!
1987 Marillion released Clutching at Straws which is an extremely dark prog album after their commercial success, and for me is the best Fish era record and deserves a mention. It is also a farewell letter to the band in song form. It's certainly head and shoulders above the Floyd album.
This has been such an enjoyable series, Andy. The intellectualism and analysis you bring to the subject elevates it to where it needs to be. It's not just some dude banging on about music he loves. Super work.
I’m really enjoying your videos. My brother recommended your channel. I have to admit, I’m in my early 60s and was definitely one of those teenagers who elevated Lester Bangs et al and identified with punk to the exclusion of prog back in the day. I’ve realized over the years how broken a take this is. It’s really stupid, poseur-ish and based on false dichotomies. Thanks!
I agree XTC deserves some consideration. Also acts on the other side of the pond might be considered: Kansas, Todd Rundgren, Gino Vanelli, Dixie Dregs...
No It Bites? Hmm. I, and my ‘80s army of three prog pals, rated them as being far more proggy than Marillion. I would also put XTC’s Skylarking in there. It’s absolutely bursting with the ‘English Aesthetic.’ Strikingly, Andy Partridge’s all time favourite album is ‘Emergency’. John McLaughlin is his guitar hero.
Hounds of Love, yes! I find it interesting that so much music I love is of this genre, fascinating stuff!
There's some Sparks, some Residents and some Soft Machine also in Cardiacs. There's some good italian prog, like PFM.
A very welcome contribution to music history and criticism. Thanks!
Good vintage list of the 80's so that members of the various subgenres are listed.
You hit 6000 today as the punk of the progs
Congrats
I'm not celebrating until I hit 10k which hopefully will be in about 4 months. I should hit a million views then too....
Thanks again, Andy, for a very interesting video! So glad to hear you talk about Cardiacs with such passion! I got goosebumps when you did that 😀 For 1996 I suggest you concider mentioning "Sing to God", which was not commercially successful, but still an absolute masterpiece by them.
Loving your thoughts on Cardiacs. The Seaside is so much fun.
Fascinating... you throw light on my musical journey
The word 'concise' that you used really sums up a lot of Prog's direction in 80's. I do think in order to plow on, one had to change with times. No one did it better than King Crimson IMO. I think the path had been cleared for them as far back as mid 70's by a new sensibility. Early Roxy Music, Television in NYC, commercially by ELO (the Meyerbeer of prog) . Yes did pretty good too, with their temporary re-invention. So good of you to include Iron Maiden, and especially Public Image. Great series of videos, essays.
On the who;e everyone here seems happy with the story I told, lets hope it stays that way! We still have a few episodes to go and each decade proved more difficult to cover than the one before
Since the 1980s, in my collection I've always organized post-Red Crimson, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, David Sylvian, and a few others (but not the Neo-Prog bands) with the label "Post-Prog."
For 1987, I'd take Radio KAOS
I seem to lose track of prog after the mid-80s. There wasn’t a lot of exposure to new prog music over here in the states. Thanks to streaming I'm making up for lost time. Your channel is great for separating the wheat from the chaff.
Totally agree. On one fell SWOOP. Yes..one fell SWOOP. Iron Maiden switched from a NWOBHM bar band to a full blown EPIC. I remember my 21 year old self trying to explain to my father "Number of the Beast" was not a satanic song. Just a lyrical & musical masterpiece. Of course. He would have non of that. I love this place. Cheers. you are the best.
Great vid. I understand why you put The Seaside by Cardiacs in the chronology, but to my ears those early tunes are given much more bite and power in the Garage Concerts live recordings. If people are struggling with early Cardiacs I'd recommend them as a way in
Thanks for the info!
I'm really glad Cardiacs got in there, but it is interesting how you went for the much more raw sound of "The Seaside" for 1984 and didn't pick "A Little Man..." instead for 1988, though I see why you might have omitted that given the strength of the Prog-Metal in that year. Bravo at any rate.
I decided to add the first proper album by perhaps the classic line up. Sing To God I did not include in my 90s selection even though it is perhaps the greatest album of the 90s.
This was very interesting. I learned something’s about this period I wasn’t knowledgeable about. Thanks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Andy, this is the best analysis of prog I have seen. It never went away, contrary to what a lot of folks feel. It just continued progressing, with the likes of UK, Asia, Mr Bungle, all the way up to today. Right now I listen to Puscifer more than anything else. And you are right about Kate Bush. Random thought: The Sex Pistols were inspired by Peter Hammill's Nadir's Big Chance.
Yes... Hammill influenced Lydon and Bruce Dickenson...thats a pretty big reach across contemporary culture...I also think you will enjoy the rest of this series...
Fascinating. Can’t wait to see how grunge impacts your narrative.
It will...
In the early 80s, like so many other prog followers, I found myself continually fascinated by Genesis, Rush and Yes. And I was SO into them, among several other non related groups, that I had completely overlooked Marillion. In fact, regrettably I didn’t even know who they were until many years later. But I would eventually discover the light of this band through that remarkable debut of theirs, which in time would lead me to acquire “ Misplaced Childhood “ and “ Clutching at Straws. “ I can really appreciate this band’s effort in maintaining some of the traditional 70s prog throughout the 80s, without getting too poppy. And I’d love to give props to the band IQ for their fantastic debut as well, “ Tales from the Lush Attic. “ This band had seemingly become a virtual mirror image of Marillion.
No Exit, The Wall, St. Pepper, Dark Side Of The Moon, Led Zeppelin 4, Operation Mindcrime, Iron Maiden 7th Son; I was into all these things as a young bassist when the more recent ones came out. Metallica, I saw them with Jason Newsted in 89. Yes came to me in this time so my teenage music habitat was soaked in prog. Steve Harris and Geddy Lee, then Tony Levin and Jaco were my first deep studies in bass. What you said about before computers YES! I've been training for the last 10 years in what I can bring forth without computers; singer songwriter with acoustic guitar or electric; even if I use effects I manipulate them in realtime. Flute and didgeridoo, vocals on multiple levels, training kit drum discipline, keyboards if I had one; but keyboards have been out of range for a reason and that's that I got sucked into the computer so completely after having been in bands that for a time I was unable to do anything but jam with simple forms like 12 bar blues, or just drones and mantras without a computer to do the effects. The jam scene was enough though, to carry me through to when I started making songs again and putting together things I can present live without any technology. It's been a challenge to get back skills I lost getting sucked into audio engineer with a DAW space. I still like a lot of what I made in that time as I came to it with over a decade experience playing live music with no effects. I came to it with studio experience and knowing in signal chain and how to mic a bass cab, etc. With my musical habitat being so sophisticated in my teens, music classes and band in my elementary school I feel I hold the codes for a revival of real music after the whole society has gone deeper into the robot than I ever did, most of the music on public sound systems currently is so devoid of humanity that for all I know a robot DID in fact compose it. The human voices are usually deflated and just moaning about bottom feeder complaints with no wisdom or light in their nursery rhymes, raps, and lullabies, if there was any human input it's been through so many filters who knows if it was ever really human. I can't be the only one who's been training more grounded skills in music. Maybe Punk didn't kill Prog, but Grunge killed access to collaboration with anyone interested in doing anything more sophisticated that jam band things, nowhere near Led Zeppelin skill levels in any style of music that's not single genre with no experiments, just play the charts nearly impossible to find. Between Grunge and Hip Hop and then the computers sucking everything up into a highly controlled grid the current of sophisticated musics appealing to those of us into reading things like Blake and Tolkein have been at least driven underground if not outright killed. Perhaps it's time I try being a musician elsewhere than Pacific Northwest; perhaps it's a ubiquitous pattern everywhere.
Sid James pocking his face through there ... wonderful stuff ... :-)
Terrific as usual....
Fascinating ... great stuff ...
Thinking about this series, I come to the thought that great musicians want to play challenging music.
Isn't that the essence of prog?
Thanks for your efforts.
JT
Pretty much!
I think a lot of prog in the 80s also slid sideways into two other directions not really mentioned. Electronic suite-music like Tangerine Dream (I know, they started in the 70s), Klaus Schultze, Jean Michael Jarre, plus some odd new wave/pop synthesis bands like Ultravox and Laurie Andersen. But it also went more acoustic and “world musicy” (you could think of it as dad-prog I suppose) with products on, for instance, the Windham Hill Label. Artists like Shadowfax, Michael Hedges and even Enya.
Yes...I agree, this supports my point that prog fractures in the 80s into many styles...
Aerial Boundries by Michael Hedges blew my mind in the 80s. Alex DeGrassi and he were acoustic giants.
There's a lot I agree with in this rundown of the 1980's, although not quite everything...
I'm much more of fan of _"Momentary Lapse of Reason"_ than you are (and probably more than most fans of prog), but I'm quite surprised it ends up being a major prog album in the year it was released. However, when I look at my own collection that does seem to be true. I'll also say that even though I *am* a big fan of it, I have always felt it was a missed opportunity. I think it could have been another prog rock classic album if they had left _"Learning to Fly"_ off the album _(but still released it as a single as a tribute to people lost in the Challenger disaster)_ , shuffled around the songs a bit, and added one or two more strong songs matching the theme I see running through the album.
As to one of the reasons I often replay MLoR, there was a very sad and tragic event that happened among my relatives shortly after this album was released. The song _"Sorrow"_ includes the line _"The sweet smell of the great sorrow lies over the land",_ which seemed a perfect summary of my feelings (and the feelings of my relatives) as we dealt with the grief of that event. And that line is delivered within music which feels like a perfect fit for the line. Maybe the song doesn't break any new ground as far as prog rock is concerned, but I don't think every prog rock needs to be breaking new ground for them to be a great song. Given the right set of lyrics, the music needs to be more than a rehash of previous songs, but just in the sense that it is distinctive enough to be memorable. IMO. And of course the music needs to *fit* the lyrics on an emotional level for it to be a good song.
Interesting...and some new discoveries. Thx Edwards 👍🙏
couldn't agree more about Live Aid and the creation of 'celeb culture'. The damage is still being felt, perhaps moreso now than then.
Cardiacs not a band I ever listened to. I get your argument on the development of Prog's sound with them and PIL. Vai and Satriani are also pioneers in the early development of the Prog Metal sound. The 'Dad Rock' entry of Floyd in '87, so true not so "Proggy"! I would only add Kings X to the list for 1989.
I am enjoying this series and your premise Andy! Thanks for this.
hard for me to place ANY band above talk talk... but i never heard this great band of john lydons. still, a wee bit hard to swallow cuz he never struck me as a giant anything.
Leprous and Kalandra are touring
Europa next year. 4 UK gigs.
London. Brighton. Manchester .Bristol.
Some of the finest Metal and Folk prog out there.
If you like the Cardiacs, you will like 1970's New Zealand band, Mother Goose. More eccentric than Split Enz and excellent musicians.
For 1987, what about VoiVod’s “ Killing Technology “?😀❤️🎼
Apparently, I like prog more than I thought I did (looking at several albums on your list), including Kate Bush, who would go on from Hounds to make several more excellent albums. This includes Aerial, which I put on the same level as Hounds.
In the 1980's was prog rock influential, or was it being influenced by prevailing musical trends. To me Lonely of a Lonely Heart is pop rock with that Fairlight sample used by so many including Michael Jackson.
1987 Dead can dance - within the realm of the dying sun or Savatage - hall of the mountain king?
You wondered what Talk Talk would score on the prog-o-meter, so I thought I'd run it and see (I'm only really referring to their last 3 albums when scoring, by far their most proggiest period):
1. Long compositions with non pop song structure: yes
2. Non blues vocal sound: yes
3. Literary allusions in lyrics, not singing about love: sort of; not really sure what Mark Hollis was singing about most of the time, let's say 0.5
4. Conceptual continuity across an album: somewhat; musically their albums have a flow and atmosphere that is of a piece, but lyrically no, so a 0.5
5. Use of modern technology; synths etc: in their early synth pop days yes, but in their later albums not really, they go for a more organic timeless sound, so again a 0.5
6. Odd times and rhythms: not really, they have the occasional odd time song but mostly the rhythm stays constant in a krautrock kind of way
7. Fantasy/sci-fi imagery in lyrics/album covers: no
8. Musical complexity/virtuosity: no, they go for more texture and atmosphere in the music
9. Use of improv: yes I believe so
10. Integration of the English aesthetic: yes (I think?)
So only 55% on the prog-o-meter (in my estimation), but probably 100% on a post rock-o-meter!
I still stand by Remain in Light as the prog album for 1980. It pre dates Discipline by a year. It set the tone for the 80s and brought all the aspects of what the older progsters were exploring to the public. Fripp, Eno, Bowie, Gabriel were putting out experimental music during that period in the late 70s which were not really touched upon . My opinon, which we all have, is Moving Pictures for '81. It's apperant new wave (The Police) made it to Canada. Rush had big respect for them. I agree with everything else. I moved away from prog by 87, so I will not be able say much. Thank you for placing Hounds of Love, but man, The Dreaming was a real trip. I can't wait to the 90s. For me, prog-wise, it was basically Radiihead and Porcupine Tree. You need to school this old dog on things I passed by...great series ..
I thought Rush made the change on Permanent Waves which really sets out the basic sound for prog in the 80s. I agree with you about Remain in Light and you are right about it's influence on prog, them and Japan perhaps....but Discipline is perhaps the greatest prog album of the 80s and I had to put it on, even though that meant forcing out Moving Pictures, so that is why I made the choice I did. I wish I had mentioned Talking Heads but instead went down the minimalism route,,,,
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Personally. I agree, Discipline is my favorite prog album of the 80s. I hitch-hiked from my college in upstate NY to SUNY Stoneybrook on LI, not an easy feat, but well worth. Getting back was a bitch too.
Prog fans who lament the passing of Tim Smith & Cardiacs should check out Bubblemath. Trust me.
Like your perspective. Genesis 'Duke' IS prog. But yes, different. King Crimson is out ahead of everyone. Minimalism but with aggression. But where are the long form gems from The Cardiacs?
Totally agree about Kate Bush. Morphed prog.
Great to see Kate Bush and PiL on here. Will Radiohead and Aphex Twin appear in the 90's list? Gonna have to wait and see.
The band I would have slotted in for 1986 is It Bytes with the album 'Big Lad In The Windmill' .
Why? Because you like it? I know the guys from It Bites, so they were an obvious choice for me, but in the end what they did was a bit of a dead end. I really dont want to be one of those RUclipsrs that just goes on about what I like, I want to make certain points about the genre hence my choice for 1986....
I would argue Sex Pistols are prog. An Art school performing a new style of music and pushing music forward; Punk bands would then develop in to the new wave taking even more risks in music - prog
I would too..you and me Graham agaist the world!
The omission of XTC`s Skylarking is unexcusable, Andy. Except for the longform tunes everything is there, loads of the english esthetic too....
Next time I do this I will simply read out a list of proggy bands so every is happy that their favourite band was read out. I apologise for not mentioning XTC here on this specific video.
In 1980 we got: 1) Duke by Genesis 2) Audio-Visions by Kansas 3) The Turn of a Friendly Card by The Alan Parsons project 4) Permanent Waves by Rush, and 5) Drama by Yes. As much as I love bands like Iron Maiden, I did not include them because they are not STRICTLY prog. Besides, I don't think they really started sounding progressive until around 1982-83. Also, I don't know how many I may have left .So NO prog did NOT "die" or "take a break" in 1980!!
A true prog fan will always prove their merit through the capitalisation of STRICTLY
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer I wasn't trying to prove "true merit" or anything like that. I was just pointing out what I have observed through many years of listening to "classic rock" and stating my opinion(s) about it...
I hope Miles Davis’ Decoy wins 1984.
Scofield being such a Basil Fawlty Doppelgänger is
enough reason . It is the only correct choice.
This comment kind of belongs here, but probably more appropriate to your video 📷📸 on American prog (or your video on people you never mention). Tony cary's planet p, aka planet p project. Especially, his concept album/rock opera, pink world, that he eventually, after decade or so absence, made a trilogy of sequels to. Cary was in the metal band, rainbow 🌈, initially. Have you heard of him, even?
I was interested to see where you’d go with this one,( the 90’s will potentially split your audience even more I anticipate).
From an objective perspective I can’t really fault the general arc of your narrative, and the PIL album sounds insane and has completely passed me by other than references to it via yourself,( another album you’ve introduced me to, although I can’t see it beating ‘The Feeling’ album despite the stellar cast you reference playing with Lydon).
Two omissions that really should be in there for me,( you may not have heard them, or if you have, given them a recent listen), are ‘Songs From The Big Chair’ by Tears For Fears and ‘Once Around The World’ by It Bites. Check, or indeed Re-check them out. I believe you’ll be pleasantly surprised 👍🏻
I had those on my shortlist and after re listening to th Tears for Fears I thought it was pushing the boat out calling it a prog album. I know the It Bites guys and that was an obvious choice but I don't think thw avenue the opened was really as important as Dream Theater. Another album that nearly made it was Spirit of Eden by Talk Talk. English Settelment by XTC would have been cool too...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummerI wasn’t suggesting that either should replace your choice of albums, but merely that they warranted a mention,( after I’d commented I did of course realise that there were probably lots of albums that could have got mentioned, and that these albums were probably right on the boundaries of the objective and subjective choices).
I do think that TFF warrant a progressive prefix as much as many metal bands or artists get it,( albeit TFF would get it shoved in front of Art Pop/Art Rock or even straight Pop). I certainly see them as having more in common with the spirit of 70s progressive than some of the guitar shredders who’s composition is often really lacking to my ears,( for what it’s worth lol ……. I realise that Dave from Dudley/Wolverhampton says that Joe Satriani can’t write … doesn’t scan too well).
Of course these small differences don’t matter too much as you get into the subjective weeds with them.
As I said, your overarching narrative could have come from myself. The more we become removed from the origins of the genre though, the more Interesting it should get. Looking forward to the 90s 👍
@@davidwylde8426 Its hard to get all the detail in these things, and the bigger I make them the more I seem to miss...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer nah, you’re doin good man
I can see where you goin 👍
Great choices Andy. I'm sure you meant Public Enemy and not PIL in your bit about rap. Now, I will mention this one more time and never mention it again. You go on about Marillion playing Dad Rock , but have you heard the song This Strange Engine?
Yes...I have been made to listen to that before....sorry about me getting muddled, it happens all the time....
And yes, 1989 was a crap year for prog. But, "On Land and in the Sea" by none other than, Cardiacs, is listed as #1 on Prog Archives.
It might well be the case that Cardiacs are the greatest prog band of the last forty years...
I have been enjoying this, as a newcomer, wanting to find out about prog albums I have missed. As we hit the eighties, it was interesting to see you look at prog metal and prog pop too. But I was a little disappointed to see the prog in post punk being ignored. Sure, you mentioned PIL. I agree that punk didn't kill prog. In fact, for me, some of the best of prog continued into post punk - This Heat, The Pop Group, Band of Holy Joy, and, of course, 'Hex Induction Hour', by The Fall. (there are others). They weren't hitting every marker on the prog meter, but neither was pop prog or metal prog. I feel like they would have been some good ammo in your arguments against the normal idea that punk killed prog. In fact, they were quite the opposite. I'm interested to see what others think, as I'm pretty new to all this.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be negative. I listen to a lot of post punk, and it's why I am here trying to find out about more prog. some of it has always felt similar. I loved your inclusion Zappa, PF, King Crimson, and such. And I even have some gems like Comus here.
So thank you for all your work. I'm going to check out more of your content too. Looking forward to the rest of the list.
A little edit here - I was mostly trying to ask a question and bring up some points here, but realise it all sounds a bit 'why didn't you do this?'!!! Sorry, that's not my intention. Keep up the good work. :-)
Oh, also, really looking forward to listening to more of the Cardiacs, which I do understand is part of the punk prog aesthetic. Great find. Looking forward to giving it a proper listen.
Where do you place Dire Straits? Dad rock? Their live versions can be pretty epic. There is some Shakespeare in there, I do believe the English estatic is in there... Is there a whiff of prog in there?
I think they can be very prooy at times...Telegraph Road is pretty epic, and they invented Dad Rock for which I respect them, Money for Nothing is the anthem of all dads
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Great video - I'm wondering though if some of these qualities you're identifying as prog aren't rather inherited from the Beatles Sgt Pepper (or is that also a prog-ish album?). In any case, in the post punk vein, PIL's Album is a great choice - but I think you could also make an argument for Siouxsie and the Banshees' Tinderbox as well (1986). It's nearly as prog as Hounds of Love and Album in the way you're defining prog here - the only thing it lacks is an epic length composition although the last two songs on the record (92 degrees and Lands End) are 6 minutes plus. In any case, you soundly refute the idea that punk "killed" prog.
I shouldn't need to encourage you to mention Frank Zappa, but hey, he was doing lots of wonderful stuff throughout the 80s. I'd at least mention The Perfect Stranger and Jazz from Hell.
Does Steely Dan fit in here?
JT
In case you are familiar with it, what do you think of Argentina's prog? I've heard prog fans refer to it as the Atlantis of rock
Not at all...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer please check out these. Crucis 1976,
delirios del mariscal 1977,
peliculas 1977,
invisible 1974,
percado 2 1973,
seru giran 1978,
bubu 1978,
tristes noticias del imperio 1977, agitor lucens V 1975,
Dolor human 1973
Brumas 1974
Id love to hear your thoughts on some of these
I have been saying for many years 4 chords round and round with a guitar solo over the top is not Prog.
I would have thought you would have given a mention of peter Gabriel and his melt or 3 album for 1980
I thought I did...I meant to
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer sorry I missed it the first watch but indeed you did give it a very brief mention although for me it is one of my favorite albums of all time
Discipline is the Holy Grail
Boring side 2 !
Cannot find Cardiacs on Spotify! Can that be? Or is it me?
Try Bandcamp....
Enjoyable post. Your term "Dad Rock," (never heard that before) seems to diminish the talents of some remarkable musicians, viewing them through a contemporary lens ("oh they were so popular that they can't have been good"). I'm sure some consider McCartney to be Dad Rock. You have a good point about 1987, though; not much there! David Sylvian's "Secrets of the Beehive" and Ryuichi Sakamoto's "Neo Geo" were bright spots that year, however. Mike Oldfield issued "Islands" in '87 also & I feel differently about that one every time I listen!
88 Metallica justice for all is pretty dang proggy
Without a doubt...I bought it the day it came out....
I don't know if you've found this out, yet, but according to a comment by percussionist, Tim Quy, Tim Smith wrote tons of music that didn't fit the Cardiacs aesthetic, that "had to be played" (I think that's how he put it). A 6:40 long example is *Pod, My My Look My Pod* as interpreted by Dutch group *Barmy FiveSeveN* (which might no longer exist). I suppose one could say it's "further over to the Zappa side", or something like that. ruclips.net/video/M54CuOd0yU4/видео.html
(So there might be some lost scores somewhere, just waiting to be discovered.)
(Sorry for being a bit one-track-minded about this. I think it's maybe because I'm still trying to find my way round the Cardiacs world, so I'm stuck in. there. At the moment, in the toy cupboard I'm in, there's a Duck, and a Horse, and they seem to be having an argument about something.)
1987. Prince. Sign O the Times. Prog without a doubt!
Parade is really proggy....
Absolutely...and the last time Prince sounded European. After parade it became very American/esoteric pop symbolism that, at the time, left me baffled.
I love Prince but he's NOT
Songs with prog elements doesn't necessarily mean that they were influenced by prog rock. Burt Bacharach songs have prog elements. To me, the post punk New Wave, Romantic etc 1980's British scene was influenced mainly by synthesisers and Beatles melodic pop sense. Didn't Yes use the Fairlight CMI in Owner of a Lonely Heart. The Fairlight was ubiquitous in its use in the 1980's. When I think 1980's UK music, I'm reminded of the Beatles, Walter Carlos, Terry Riley, Roxy Music, not prog rock. Interesting discussion. When you love a genre so much, it can be easy to see its influence through too wide a speculative lens.
I have read the interviews, those 80s guys loved prog and were directly influenced by prog.
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Fair enough. That's solid testimony. It would be fascinating to know the specific ways in which they were influenced with reference to a particular song.
@@lupcokotevski2907 Here is a quote from Vince Clarke (Erasure, Yazoo, Depeche Mode) when asked about the album that meant the most to him...'Trick of the Tail, by Genesis. [Released February 2, 1976 in the U.K., Tail is the first Genesis album to feature Phil Collins as lead singer after the departure of Peter Gabriel.] I bought a stereo player just to hear it. Up to that point, we’d only had mono in the house, so I had never even heard a stereo record before that one. I think the player cost like 50 pounds. And I remember it clearly, because I was standing in front of the speakers to hear that album. I just couldn’t believe it. It’s such a fantastic album. I’ve listened to it since, and everything’s great. It’s a very underrated album, I think.'
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Thanks for that, Andy. Always happy to learn.
I think we perceive a link between '70's prog rock & Bacharach because some of the keyboard players were influenced by his creative arrangements. Another good example is Jimmy Webb's "MacArthur Park" (performed by Richard Harris) cited by Steve Hackett among others as an early favorite (me too).
i agree about yuppy rock!!! f those people!!!
Beyond the 8 usual suspects, there were MANY great master at PURE PROG near the end of the 70's that were under appreciated yet INCREDIBLY inventively amazing still they RARELY get mentioned. FK RUSH ! They weren't even PURE PROG! "Metal" mostly SUCKS when imitating Prog otherwise the originators of 70's Prog would have been influenced by Black Sabbath. DREAM THEATER were cold, technical and boring when I saw them opening for YES. TOOL as well. Just saying IMHO! There's a main Prog ingredient missing from that post 60's next generation that leaves the music Soulless, mechanical& full of Prog clichés. Most 80's Prog was pretty unauthentic Prog. Kate the Great is my heroine and though she was incredibly inventive & progressive, she was NOT Prog Rock. In general, the purity of the actual genre had weakened rapidly & naturally so. Yeah KC were the best at it during the transitional period but ASIA sucked along with many others. This was the era of the Fairlight synth and the rise of fusing New Wave Punk Funk Electronica Ska Reggae together! I loved it and didn't miss Prog at all during that era. I just found refuge in my love of various complex forms of global World Music & kept listening to my dozens of 70's PROG within my collection if I wanted to flashback!
Phantasy Black Channel by Late of the pier is an obvious Cardiacs rip off 🤣
kate bush is the queen of
prog? ... my queen! ~
Kate the Great has been given an honorary Prog Card for being progressive but she was NOT pure Prog. Now Annie Haslam & Sonja Kristina were true original Queens of the genre
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So 4 videos deep and you have not acknowledged or even mentioned one recording from the European prog movement. So many great classic albums were just done in Italy alone and yet you’ve castrated all of it…..how very narrow and biased of you.
I mentioned Aphrodites Child and Magma MDK
This looks downright Elizabethan.
Thank you