That's messed up and I'm sorry to hear that because it seems very hard at least to me to make and find new friends and relationships as I get older. I hope you're health situation improves and stay strong.
Yeah I was at MC's "farewell tour" and I have to say that they sounded horrible. My brother thought it could've been the venue's acoustics or something. I thought but how did Alice Cooper who opened sound so f'n fantastic then?
It's just a shame that these friendships, these long-term business relationships lasting decades have to end so bitterly... it must be so painful to be betrayed by the people you've worked with for so long, who are more than your associates... Sad.😔🤘
MONEY often tears even family apart right.But when your poor and uncle bob dies you need that money,there all pretty well off and can live comfortable.Greed
@@grobbler1 Exactly! And even a partnership in a business can be brutal. I was in a joint partnership in my youth and was miserable until I opened my own business, and promptly crushed the F out of my former lazy partner. I can't imagine having four or five partners. Ha, and especially when in many cases you are dealing with raging alcoholics or drug addicts on top of that! Surprised many bands last as long as they do!
Totally. Mick is a hard worker for sure. I know the type.. the guy who learns all the material backwards and forwards , shows up to rehearsals on time, and becomes the default pacemaker of the band because everyone else is slightly goofing off and not taking shit seriously. I think he's a real pro. It's actually because of workhorses like Mick, that minimally skilled dipshits like Nikki Sixx who aren't serious about their craft are able to be in the band at all. They are fluff. Nothings.. Mick has none of the delusional arrogance of the " rock star". He just wants what is....... HIS.💀🤘
Yes, when Glenn retired, KK shouldve gotten back in and Richie shouldve covered Glenn's parts. That wouldve been win/win. KK would bee KK again and Richie would have covered Glenn perfectly.
And in a purely financial sense, Glenn is cutting off his nose to spite his face-if KK rejoined Priest you know that would result in a sudden burst of attention, lots of new merch and a bump in ticket sales. He’d get a cut of all of that. But artists gonna artist I suppose.
Middle age Metal Head here can't get enough of this site love all the old interviews ya know I wish all these bands could get their shit together there basically on the last go around DO IT FOR THE FANS THAT HAVE SUPPORTED YOU FOR 40 YEARS
Last time i saw MC was 10-12 years ago, and the only thing i enjoyed about it was Mick. His health issues were already well documented. He basically stood still all night, but he looked and played badass... skin and bone, long black coat and a big tophat with skull and bones. Looking like a witchmaster...
All I know is that KK's Priest released the best "Priest" album in decades. It won't surprise me if Mick Marrs puts together a superior line up and does the same as "Mick's Crew".
He's been working on a solo album for almost 30 years now. The small teases we got are amazing. This also opens up the possibility to finish his collabs with John Corabi.
We should be expecting a shitty box set from him where if you pay him extra, you get to have him flown over to your home, just so he can toss his box of overpriced crap at you, then rail your wife as you watch him do it
@@jonnybgood9376 gene simmons is an outspoken person, but gene does s lot of stuff you dont know about. He gives to many charities, sixx has always been a non talent musician . And a self centered prick.
So why did Michael sign away is rights (read: shares in a company)? KK got his money (read: sold his rights) long time ago, cos he needed the money for his Golf ventures, which also failed. 😂 What really is he moaning about?
KK is iconic. Priest is just a Rob Halford solo venture, now. As for Motley, those guys have become the Ashlee Simpson's of the genre. It's a sad ending for sure.
Agree , neither of the original guitarists and founding members playing in the band anymore. It's not JP anymore and the energy level is pathetic , I have no problem with Ritchie but Andy doesn't fit in and they're a shell of what they used to be. They were in my state last year and couldn't even sell out a 3000 seat venue , that's insane considering the arenas I've seen them at in the 80's where they constantly sold out venues that hold between 10-20 thousand. It's over and the same for the Crue which mail in their performances now , why would anyone pay $150 to see prerecorded tracks. Especially when I saw them for $16 actually playing instruments in the 80's , all these 80's bands that can't perform live anymore but take people's hard earned money are greedy pieces of crap!!!
@@mikeg6666 I"m a die hard Priest fan myself. I agree with you, the band is a shadow of its former self. I also find the energy level to be pathetic. What blows me away are the people who say they have never looked better. Not sure what band there talking about, but it sure as hell is not the Priest I remember.
Just remember how magical the 1980s were. The metal music was legendary and we awaited the next album from all these bands. As it turned out many of our heroes were not great with money or fiscal talent and blew through a fortune. Now they are old men squabbling about a percentage of the epilogue of earnings and making concert tickets expensive.
A lesson to us all: where possible, plan your retirement, and stick to it. If you try to go back, you'll always be a loose wheel, and you'll resent your former colleagues for getting on without you.
It all comes down to one thing: **greed**. They seem more interested in keeping that money machine going, milking it for all they can, rather than anything else (especially legacy and integrity). These aren't bands anymore, they're corporations. They haven't been bands for decades. It's sad, rather petty and quite pathetic, but understanding it should be relatively easy because it's simply understanding human nature.
If its about money and greed the best thing they could do is bring KK back! I think the biggest problem is KK can't keep his f'n mouth shut! He cries anywhere he get some attention. The bridge is definitely burnt down because he set it on fire. I would love to see KK and Richie on stage together, they looked incredible together at the RnR hall of fame.
I haven't seen Judas Priest live in 40 years. That's the way i prefer to remember them. As for Motley it's been 11 years. I won't be rushing out to see any shows by either band.
David Gilmour ended Pink Floyd when Rick Wright passed away. Reuniting for one-offs for charity was nice but no tours without Rick. Also Led Zeppelin ended with John Bonham's death.
Supergroup: Joe Leste Mick Mars K.K. Downing Rudy Sarzo Phil Rudd (All actually playing their instruments, no plug and play b.s. touring. Just shut all the aging posers down!)
Bands really shouldn't air their dirty laundry at the end of their careers. Sad to see them destroy their legacy this way, especially realizing how much animosity there was between Glenn and KK over the years that the fans were oblivious to. I've been a Judas Priest fan for over 4 decades, but without Glenn and KK it isn't Judas Priest, it's just Rob Halford's ego project. Watching him waddle around on stage looking like leather Santa isn't worth the price of a ticket. I'd rather go see KK's solo band.
Also Roger Waters is lip syncing old Pink Floyd songs with a band of yes men to stick it to David Gilmour. Tommy Shaw and JY hypocritically playing Roboto and Sail Away to stick it to Dennis DeYoung.
Truth KK. Fk The management but as soon as Glenn step down as a full-time, torn musician, they should’ve brought KK back as soon as possible. They should still bring him back even as a third guitar player if Glenn is that involved in the writing process. Hell, Richie is all for it. I hope the older guys have the balls to ask the management, “Hey listen, can we make something happen with kk?”
Yes KK they ganged up on you. You know why? Because Glenn was always jealous of your playing, which is why he demanded on taking 70% of the leads, and Rob sided with him. You were the talent in the band and they knew it.
Being very knowledgeable about the law I'd saw Mick and K.K. have very good chances of getting their proper share. Of course, they can't sit on the litigation. They can't let the window they have to bring a case pass and it looks like they will bring legal action. I'd say both cases will be settled and never come to trial. Both men have earned their shares.
FAREWELL TOURS ARE A JOKE These so called farewell tours are a joke... It's never farewell It's rake in the $$$... Then do another and another. Just ask KISS..How many farewells have they done? I've lost count
Crazy to think that at one time it was just 4 guys in a room, writing together, playing together and bonding, becoming more or less best friends, now here are those same guys trying to knife each other in the back, and to think that it’s usually Gene Simmons that gets the bad wrap for his business dealings, but Nikki s just as bad?
thankfully got to see Priest with Downing still in the band but not Halford. Crue first two albums and first 30 seconds of Dr. Feelgood (the song) were really good.
Hello you there Dion Tillman here, makes me sad all the people that I love, not getting along, where is all negatively, coming from,,they all should have enough funds to pay the bills,,
What a Disgraceful situation. Kk Downing its part of the Judas Priest Greatness. Betrayed after 50 years making a Immortal Band and be treated like that,its a very sad moment to all True Heavy Metal fans. My Heart its with you kk Downing,you made some of the Best Music Ever. Your's guitar shaped the man iam today. Its realy hard to belive that your " Familie" for 50 years its turning the back on you. Never expected this Attitude from One of the Greatest bands Ever. Stay strong because you belong among the Greatest.🤘🤘🤘
What a coincidence with all of these different rock bands having drama issues at the same time; A couple of years ago it was the lip syncing complaint of true KISS fans, followed by Journey's personnel issues to today's issues with Motley Crue... Whatever happened to that Motley Crue signing the farewell tour contract from the last decade???
my analysis is that most musicians/performing arts types are total toxic narcissist headcases, although superficially charming most hide it quite well from the outside... that's from 40 years playing in amateur bands -now I just don't want to play a single note anymore and have retired!
Another damaging issue with bands is when members girlfriends/wives are thrown in the mix. Examples: Sharon Osborne, Wendy Dio firing Vivian Campbell, rumors about Yoko Ono being an issue of John leaving, David Coverdale's then wife hating another member's other, etc.
Another damaging issue with bands is when members girlfriends/wives are thrown in the mix. Examples: Sharon Osborne, Wendy Dio firing Vivian Campbell, rumors about Yoko Ono being an issue of John leaving, David Coverdale's then wife hating another member's other, etc.
None so far as I know. I don't remember the Rolling Stones announcing their retirement, and they've been going on since before I was born 60 years ago. It's now what, 3 times for KISS and twice for Motley Crue?
No problem with KK DOWNING. Always liked his guitar work with TIPTON. Ah hell it was the chemistry of the original 4 that created the incredible Judas priest of the 1970s. Love them all none of the replacements appealed to me so I have never cared too much what the band was doing.
I grew up as Motley and Priest were becoming popular. Its heresy to see them Kicking out Original members and use replacements. Richie and John Lowery are two of the best hired guns but i still find it heresy. We need NEW bands
We tend to forget that these "bands" are now multi-million dollar businesses. It the end, it's the money that matters more than the members and their personal issues. The corporations behind the bands push them into decisions that always favor the corporate side, never the people.
There is definately a band called "The Malcontents" just waiting for KK, Peter Criss, Ace, and Ritchie Blackmore. They could also be called "Couldn't get along with Jesus Band."
Mick MARS's musicianship, songwriting and guitar playing carried the other three BOZOS in MÖTLEY CRÜE. Without Mick MARS, it's a MICKËY MOÜSE cover band. Vince NEIL is a comedy show. Perhaps this MICKËY MOÜSE cover band can open for Jerry SEINFELD's next comedy tour!
Lol get outta here… maybe as he got older but Glenn was a god damn fireball on stage in his heyday and he’s an amazing guitar player… I like kk but some of the solos Glenn has done kk wouldn’t even dream up
there is a big difference in there stories kk quit because he wasnt happy and he burned his bridges with his band while mick didnt want to tour as much because of his medical issues, big difference
I guess I dont fully understand Mick's position with the lawsuit....if he is not touring, why would/should he be getting anything from the tour proceeds? In any case, I def wont be going to see Crue on tour with the backing track stuff coming into light.
Let's say you co-wrote a play - you and a writing partner - and that play is touring theatres all over the country making a nice profit - but your writing partner is taking 95% of the money? You might be a bit annoyed.
@@fallenshallrise No, I get that, and that he is a founding member and all that....but from what I understand, he signed a contract agreeing to not get paid specifically if he didn't tour, right? Maybe I am missing something. He still gets royalties from everything else they still sell, just not from this next tour with John 5 in his place. I think he is bitter they are moving on without him on this next huge tour that he obviously cant do.
@@rosehickey8483 That's a good point and I'm not sure but I would assume that gets lumped into "tour proceeds". I'm sure they all have lawyers and contracts and whatnot to account for every penny MC brings in and how it gets divided up. FWIW, I think the whole situtaion is shitty. They should have retired retired after the final tour like they promised. Then this with Mick and all the back track BS...they've gone full KISS at this point. Shame.
He's not at the shows to make sure they are actually making what they tell him they are making on merchandise. A founding member DEFINITELY deserves a cut of merch. I understand the guys still touring deserve a bigger cut since they are still influencing the sale of that merch, but the merch wouldn't sell as much without the value of Mick Mars' past contributions to Crue as a brand.
I personally feel Mick Mars and KK downing both got really bad deals since they were there from the beginning and were huge parts of those band's they were in Mick Mars started motley Crue if it wasn't for Mick Mars there would be no motley Crue period and kk downing was with Judas priest from the beginning and played on all of the best album's of priest and had alot to do with creating that band and the song's so I think the way they are being treated really is quite crappy and shameful and wrong !!!
Motley was always my favorite band period. Now I'm just so disappointed. Backing tracks have ruined music, if you can't play it leave it alone. Don't lie and rob people. So disappointed
Eagles & Don Felder situation fell apartuch the same way, money and a shared unity no matter who dings or write songs because that's sum of the Parts to borrow Genesis doc name, Terry Geezer Butler once asked about advice for young musicians said in a radio interview, Rockline, perhaps, "Get yourself a good Lawyer' and right from the start you can see problems with contracts from labels alone
I love KK and Mars, but if your going to retire and not tour in this business, they are going to cut you out to pay for the new member with a piece of your % and split the rest.
Rob is so happy to be in Judas Priest. He was crushed when the record company made him quit the group. He loves doing public relations/public interviews. He probably loves singing the songs.
KK should be in the touring band. Everyone knows him and wants him there I guess except the rest of the band, and if he is a 25% shareholder in Priest he should occupy 25% of the stage (yes I know it doesn't work that way but it makes sense to me). Work it out and let the Priest be the Priest
Everyone is siding with Mick, he exposed the biggest frauds in rock. I get why K.K. is upset but when you retire from a band you helped form, you are at the mercy of the other guys doing right by you unless things were set up properly and often lawyers and management do not have the best interest of one individual within the band in mind.
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KK I think hits the nail on the head. Judas Priest should have him in it! I mean are they bringing ripper back and have the sole original member be Ian? ALL of these legacy bands are turning into VERY expensive cover bands. There is a lot more that I can say. But why. They are starting to lash out at the fans that supported them from the beginning. Thats fine. I don't have to support them anymore.
Nailed it. Mick was indeed the most talented but it’s no secret he has always been an asshole to the rest of them. And KK can fuck off after all of the shit he has said and done over the years.
If Mars is really asking for 25% of tour $$$ then I support Motley you don’t get paid for a job your not doing and John 5 needs to get paid but if they are trying to cut him out of “ other revenue ( not there music catalog they sold that off ) then I support Mars
If they have sold their music catalogue (read: publishing rights), he has nothing to collect. He should definitely not get any of the touring income now when he is retired - that is just ridiculous. If he have paid any pension funds (which I guess he hasn't), he get the lowest rates you can get in pension.
In my oppinion....There would of never been a motley crue without mick or a judas priest without kk. Without their signature guitar work it wouldn't be what it is. If the bands don't want to pay original members after they leave, I think the replacements should have to pay to play original members music to not be seen as a fraud.
Trust me, I'm not in a famous band but, I have come down with a bad disease. Amazing how friends I have had for decades have abandoned me.
Friend is often a four letter word.
That's messed up and I'm sorry to hear that because it seems very hard at least to me to make and find new friends and relationships as I get older. I hope you're health situation improves and stay strong.
Hope you find peace
I don´t know your name, but same here, is really sad. All the best from Barcelona.
@@triangels fren?
I feel Priest and Crüe should’ve both ended after the initial “farewell tours”. It’s sad how money can and will divide people
Yeah I was at MC's "farewell tour" and I have to say that they sounded horrible. My brother thought it could've been the venue's acoustics or something. I thought but how did Alice Cooper who opened sound so f'n fantastic then?
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Unfortunately, drugs are expensive….and so is recovering from years of abuse
Same for Kiss.
And Ozzy
*The only way I would ever see Priest live again is if KK's in the band..., period.*
👍 yep
Is it even Priest without KK?
@@shawnc318 X-actly!
@@Kreln1221 i just got a ticket for KK’s Priest for September here on the east coast.. Accept is opening!!
It's just a shame that these friendships, these long-term business relationships lasting decades have to end so bitterly... it must be so painful to be betrayed by the people you've worked with for so long, who are more than your associates... Sad.😔🤘
A lot of bands are not friends. Often it's just a business arrangement.
@@grobbler1 I'm sure you're right. I probably just wishfully imagine they're all really close buddies...
@@seanmccall7277 Sammy Hagar and Michael Anthony is one pair I think are friends but it's quite rare
MONEY often tears even family apart right.But when your poor and uncle bob dies you need that money,there all pretty well off and can live comfortable.Greed
@@grobbler1 Exactly! And even a partnership in a business can be brutal. I was in a joint partnership in my youth and was miserable until I opened my own business, and promptly crushed the F out of my former lazy partner. I can't imagine having four or five partners. Ha, and especially when in many cases you are dealing with raging alcoholics or drug addicts on top of that! Surprised many bands last as long as they do!
KK and Mick can start a band: MarsPriest. The ultimate space rock adventure.
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Two differing styles may work combined Rock On!!
Don't forget Ace
@@kraigbender292 Ace is still in 70th
Watching Mick on this last tour was amazing. He was so professional, you knew he was in so much pain, but never showed it.
Totally. Mick is a hard worker for sure. I know the type.. the guy who learns all the material backwards and forwards , shows up to rehearsals on time, and becomes the default pacemaker of the band because everyone else is slightly goofing off and not taking shit seriously. I think he's a real pro. It's actually because of workhorses like Mick, that minimally skilled dipshits like Nikki Sixx who aren't serious about their craft are able to be in the band at all. They are fluff. Nothings.. Mick has none of the delusional arrogance of the " rock star". He just wants what is....... HIS.💀🤘
And he was the only one playing live.
How do you know he was in pain if he didn't show it brownnose?
@@bongscott3738 shut up jerk
@@bongscott3738 because his spine is basically fused together bong 💦
Yes, when Glenn retired, KK shouldve gotten back in and Richie shouldve covered Glenn's parts. That wouldve been win/win. KK would bee KK again and Richie would have covered Glenn perfectly.
Adam você está redondamente certo!!!As coisas estariam CERTAS se KK.Downing estivesse retornado.Mas...
... and we, fans, would love that. So that wouldn've been win/win/win, not just win/win type of situation.
And in a purely financial sense, Glenn is cutting off his nose to spite his face-if KK rejoined Priest you know that would result in a sudden burst of attention, lots of new merch and a bump in ticket sales. He’d get a cut of all of that.
But artists gonna artist I suppose.
I reckon they've personally had enough of KK. His book didn't help him with a forgive and forget attitude.
@@dascarter1 well truth hurts
Middle age Metal Head here can't get enough of this site love all the old interviews ya know I wish all these bands could get their shit together there basically on the last go around DO IT FOR THE FANS THAT HAVE SUPPORTED YOU FOR 40 YEARS
Ace Frehley ..KK......Mick Mars..& Peter Criss should form a band. The Outcasts✌️
Add Jason Newsted too
I had a band name for some oldies supergroup: Misfit Elders.
Consisting of Dennis Degoung, Lindsay Buckingham, Don Felder and Lou Gramm
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Hey great idea...they are the real musicians...No posers there..
ace is no where near as good as mick or kk....ace and peter should form their own band. The losers.
That makes me sad that K.K wanted to rejoin but didn’t have the option, I was always under the impression that he felt no desire to rejoin.
Last time i saw MC was 10-12 years ago, and the only thing i enjoyed about it was Mick. His health issues were already well documented. He basically stood still all night, but he looked and played badass... skin and bone, long black coat and a big tophat with skull and bones. Looking like a witchmaster...
Around the Saints of LA album?
KK Downing = METAL GOD
All I know is that KK's Priest released the best "Priest" album in decades. It won't surprise me if Mick Marrs puts together a superior line up and does the same as "Mick's Crew".
I love that idea!!!
He is to old for that i think.. but would be awesome
That album rips (no pun intended) And is a PERFECT example of why kk cannot be replaced
He's been working on a solo album for almost 30 years now. The small teases we got are amazing. This also opens up the possibility to finish his collabs with John Corabi.
And old band is just like a company. They’d rather have a new fresh person in than the one who’s already hip to the hypocrisy and greed
Plot twist, K.K. returns and the band keeps all THREE guitarists! (Like Iron Maiden). We can dream.
I´m a Huge Motley Crue fan, i´m so sad that this is happening. SAD DAY FOR ME.
Nikki has just become greedy about money now like Gene Simmons.
He always was man he a piece of crap I love motley but he a greedy little shit head.
Nikki has always been about himself for decades
We should be expecting a shitty box set from him where if you pay him extra, you get to have him flown over to your home, just so he can toss his box of overpriced crap at you, then rail your wife as you watch him do it
Nikki sixx has been an asshole way longer
@@jonnybgood9376 gene simmons is an outspoken person, but gene does s lot of stuff you dont know about. He gives to many charities, sixx has always been a non talent musician . And a self centered prick.
Van Halen did this to Michael Anthony for the 2004. They got him to sign away his rights in order to do "one last tour."
Poor Michael got totally screwed
So why did Michael sign away is rights (read: shares in a company)? KK got his money (read: sold his rights) long time ago, cos he needed the money for his Golf ventures, which also failed. 😂 What really is he moaning about?
KK is iconic.
Priest is just a Rob Halford solo venture, now.
As for Motley, those guys have become the Ashlee Simpson's of the genre.
It's a sad ending for sure.
I could not agree more. I look at Priest now as Halford and friends.
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You got it.
Agree , neither of the original guitarists and founding members playing in the band anymore. It's not JP anymore and the energy level is pathetic , I have no problem with Ritchie but Andy doesn't fit in and they're a shell of what they used to be. They were in my state last year and couldn't even sell out a 3000 seat venue , that's insane considering the arenas I've seen them at in the 80's where they constantly sold out venues that hold between 10-20 thousand. It's over and the same for the Crue which mail in their performances now , why would anyone pay $150 to see prerecorded tracks. Especially when I saw them for $16 actually playing instruments in the 80's , all these 80's bands that can't perform live anymore but take people's hard earned money are greedy pieces of crap!!!
@@mikeg6666 I"m a die hard Priest fan myself. I agree with you, the band is a shadow of its former self. I also find the energy level to be pathetic. What blows me away are the people who say they have never looked better. Not sure what band there talking about, but it sure as hell is not the Priest I remember.
KK’s Priest is doing better music then Judas Priest now
Just remember how magical the 1980s were. The metal music was legendary and we awaited the next album from all these bands. As it turned out many of our heroes were not great with money or fiscal talent and blew through a fortune.
Now they are old men squabbling about a percentage of the epilogue of earnings and making concert tickets expensive.
dont think i will ever go to another concert and its so sad bet i seen a hundred in my lifetime but these days its way to expensive to go
The 80s were a big let-down from the 70s. Those of us stuck in the 70s thought the world had come to an end. Where's Foghat?!
There are awesome bands to see live these days. Just not the old rockers.
@@SelectCircle 60's & 70's was a bunch of homos mostly. I can't stand hippies or Disco. Products of the homosexual revolution. Rock & Metal Rules!
They're not the reason concert tickets are overpriced that's ticketmaster and live nation
A lesson to us all: where possible, plan your retirement, and stick to it. If you try to go back, you'll always be a loose wheel, and you'll resent your former colleagues for getting on without you.
They should form a band with Michael Anthony
And Mike Portnoy and the singer from Journey
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If it had Michael Anthony you know the harmonies on the hooks would be on point
@@markl5998 If Hagar's run in Van Halen showed us anything, Anthony is capable of great harmonies with the right singer!
It all comes down to one thing: **greed**. They seem more interested in keeping that money machine going, milking it for all they can, rather than anything else (especially legacy and integrity). These aren't bands anymore, they're corporations. They haven't been bands for decades. It's sad, rather petty and quite pathetic, but understanding it should be relatively easy because it's simply understanding human nature.
If its about money and greed the best thing they could do is bring KK back! I think the biggest problem is KK can't keep his f'n mouth shut! He cries anywhere he get some attention. The bridge is definitely burnt down because he set it on fire. I would love to see KK and Richie on stage together, they looked incredible together at the RnR hall of fame.
One band I can think of that actually did retire was REM. They did a final tour, then all retired. Their musical legacy spans several decades.
I haven't seen Judas Priest live in 40 years. That's the way i prefer to remember them. As for Motley it's been 11 years. I won't be rushing out to see any shows by either band.
Hell, K.K.'s Priest is doing better music than Judas Priest.
I caught JP on the "final" (lol) world tour, so called Epitaph. I was disappointed that KK wasn't playing, but honestly Ritchie killed it!
Shit I've been playing priest songs for 30 years they are not really that hard I would say Richie is average at best
Rush were always friends and had dignity. And love them or hate them, U2 have kept a kind of brotherhood.
There are only three huge stadium-level bands I can think of who have never had a line-up change; U2, Muse and Rammstein.
@@RolandDeschain1 You forgot Rush.
@@rabarebra Nope. Neil wasn't the original drummer.
David Gilmour ended Pink Floyd when Rick Wright passed away. Reuniting for one-offs for charity was nice but no tours without Rick. Also Led Zeppelin ended with John Bonham's death.
The Metal Community stands tall, in it's quest for the ultimate rock.
Supergroup:
Joe Leste
Mick Mars
K.K. Downing
Rudy Sarzo
Phil Rudd
(All actually playing their instruments, no plug and play b.s. touring. Just shut all the aging posers down!)
Bands really shouldn't air their dirty laundry at the end of their careers. Sad to see them destroy their legacy this way, especially realizing how much animosity there was between Glenn and KK over the years that the fans were oblivious to. I've been a Judas Priest fan for over 4 decades, but without Glenn and KK it isn't Judas Priest, it's just Rob Halford's ego project. Watching him waddle around on stage looking like leather Santa isn't worth the price of a ticket. I'd rather go see KK's solo band.
Also Roger Waters is lip syncing old Pink Floyd songs with a band of yes men to stick it to David Gilmour. Tommy Shaw and JY hypocritically playing Roboto and Sail Away to stick it to Dennis DeYoung.
Especially since KK was in Priest longer than any of them back when they were called Freight with Al Atkins as the singer.
Truth KK. Fk The management but as soon as Glenn step down as a full-time, torn musician, they should’ve brought KK back as soon as possible. They should still bring him back even as a third guitar player if Glenn is that involved in the writing process. Hell, Richie is all for it. I hope the older guys have the balls to ask the management, “Hey listen, can we make something happen with kk?”
As shitty as he was to them, why should they let him come back? They’re better off and having a better time without him.
@@davidwalters9339 Priest are now a tribute band. Glenn is a POS
I say Sammy Hagar, Mike Anthony, KK, and Mick Mars should form a band known as K.A.M.S. That would be wild as hell.
I wish I had burger.
S.K.A.M.
Growing up Glenn & KK were my heroes.....now they hate each other......bummer
They've all forgotten what the music is about. ALL of them.
Thank you KK. God bless you sir. 🙏🏾
Way to keep up and relevant,
Your becoming top knotch on in the know
Yes KK they ganged up on you. You know why? Because Glenn was always jealous of your playing, which is why he demanded on taking 70% of the leads, and Rob sided with him. You were the talent in the band and they knew it.
Well Glen fraternizing with the management don't help.
KK and Glenn said they did not get along. It was a two headed guitar monster called envy.
Being very knowledgeable about the law I'd saw Mick and K.K. have very good chances of getting their proper share. Of course, they can't sit on the litigation. They can't let the window they have to bring a case pass and it looks like they will bring legal action. I'd say both cases will be settled and never come to trial. Both men have earned their shares.
doesn't sound a very knowledgeable response, is there any case law on this?
FAREWELL TOURS ARE A JOKE
These so called farewell tours are a joke... It's never farewell
It's rake in the $$$... Then do another and another.
Just ask KISS..How many farewells have they done?
I've lost count
Crazy to think that at one time it was just 4 guys in a room, writing together, playing together and bonding, becoming more or less best friends, now here are those same guys trying to knife each other in the back, and to think that it’s usually Gene Simmons that gets the bad wrap for his business dealings, but Nikki s just as bad?
I always referred to him as Nikki sucks not nick sixx
thankfully got to see Priest with Downing still in the band but not Halford. Crue first two albums and first 30 seconds of Dr. Feelgood (the song) were really good.
It's so difficult to even make it as a band. Then to be successful and actually make loads of money only to end up in court with each other. So sad..
Hello you there Dion Tillman here, makes me sad all the people that I love, not getting along, where is all negatively, coming from,,they all should have enough funds to pay the bills,,
What a Disgraceful situation.
Kk Downing its part of the Judas Priest Greatness.
Betrayed after 50 years making a Immortal Band and be treated like that,its a very sad moment to all True Heavy Metal fans.
My Heart its with you kk Downing,you made some of the Best Music Ever.
Your's guitar shaped the man iam today.
Its realy hard to belive that your " Familie" for 50 years its turning the back on you.
Never expected this Attitude from One of the Greatest bands Ever.
Stay strong because you belong among the Greatest.🤘🤘🤘
BS. While a mainstay of Priest he screwed himself and has been bitching and contradicting himself ever since.
How is it KK is out when Judas Priest's best guitar work comes from KK? And there wouldn't have been a Crüe that we know without Mick!
K.K.'s Priest kicks ass. So he's got a great band where's he's the boss.
Interesting hearing KKs thoughts👍
Mick Mars is Motley Crue.
What a coincidence with all of these different rock bands having drama issues at the same time; A couple of years ago it was the lip syncing complaint of true KISS fans, followed by Journey's personnel issues to today's issues with Motley Crue... Whatever happened to that Motley Crue signing the farewell tour contract from the last decade???
They got greedy for bigger mansion's again and lied to the fans.
oldest trick in the book. Announce a farewell tour, then triumphantly come out of retirement in less than half a decade, rinse and repeat.
Motley Crue is “ “ without Mick Mars, period. Mick is MC and without him the others would’ve ended up as cover bands or dead junkies 🤘
One thing life has taught me is that when it comes to money lawyers and musicians are the least trustworthy people on the face on the planet.
They toss aside 40 year friendships and partnerships like yesterday's garbage in the name of money and control.
my analysis is that most musicians/performing arts types are total toxic narcissist headcases, although superficially charming most hide it quite well from the outside... that's from 40 years playing in amateur bands -now I just don't want to play a single note anymore and have retired!
Another damaging issue with bands is when members girlfriends/wives are thrown in the mix. Examples: Sharon Osborne, Wendy Dio firing Vivian Campbell, rumors about Yoko Ono being an issue of John leaving, David Coverdale's then wife hating another member's other, etc.
Another damaging issue with bands is when members girlfriends/wives are thrown in the mix. Examples: Sharon Osborne, Wendy Dio firing Vivian Campbell, rumors about Yoko Ono being an issue of John leaving, David Coverdale's then wife hating another member's other, etc.
I'm sure there are some & I'm just struggling to remember them, but what band has ever announced their retirement and actually stayed retired?
None so far as I know. I don't remember the Rolling Stones announcing their retirement, and they've been going on since before I was born 60 years ago.
It's now what, 3 times for KISS and twice for Motley Crue?
Rush
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As a lifelong Priest fan, I hate to say it but. . .the current line-up is just Rob with a good backing band. Its not Priest.
Glen can retire but KK can't? Bad deal.
Richie could dye his hair brown, throw on the red leather pants and start impersonating Glen instead. It could work.
Haha.
No problem with KK DOWNING. Always liked his guitar work with TIPTON. Ah hell it was the chemistry of the original 4 that created the incredible Judas priest of the 1970s. Love them all none of the replacements appealed to me so I have never cared too much what the band was doing.
Thanks again
Now if KK and Mars formed their own band they could call it Judas Crew or Motley Priest.
The main difference is K.K. wasn't carrying a band of no-talent hacks like Mick. Well, Tommy is a good drummer, even though I can't stand him.
Don't worry KK Noone else will be in the same position as you and Mic. Because there are no more big bands and RUclips gets all the money now.
You come into this world naked and alone and you leave it the same way.
Team Mick!!!
I grew up as Motley and Priest were becoming popular. Its heresy to see them Kicking out Original members and use replacements. Richie and John Lowery are two of the best hired guns but i still find it heresy. We need NEW bands
We tend to forget that these "bands" are now multi-million dollar businesses. It the end, it's the money that matters more than the members and their personal issues. The corporations behind the bands push them into decisions that always favor the corporate side, never the people.
Yup, it’s just a corporation
There is definately a band called "The Malcontents" just waiting for KK, Peter Criss, Ace, and Ritchie Blackmore. They could also be called "Couldn't get along with Jesus Band."
Motley is trying to do Mick dirty. There would be no Motley without Mick. Everybody should support Mick
Mick MARS's musicianship, songwriting and guitar playing carried the other three BOZOS in MÖTLEY CRÜE. Without Mick MARS, it's a MICKËY MOÜSE cover band. Vince NEIL is a comedy show. Perhaps this MICKËY MOÜSE cover band can open for Jerry SEINFELD's next comedy tour!
KK was the best in priest. Glen looked like a statue on stage compared to KK. Mick was the riff master in Crue. All those songs from Crue were Mick's.
Lol get outta here… maybe as he got older but Glenn was a god damn fireball on stage in his heyday and he’s an amazing guitar player… I like kk but some of the solos Glenn has done kk wouldn’t even dream up
When young and wild rock musicians turn into old and back-stabbing business men.
Thats grimy if they did KK dirty like that!!!
there is a big difference in there stories kk quit because he wasnt happy and he burned his bridges with his band while mick didnt want to tour as much because of his medical issues, big difference
I think you got it wrong didn't you hear what he just said?how would you know more than the man himself? Are you calling him a liar?
@@ericdole1879 KK bends the words in every interview. So yes, he is a liar.
@@rabarebra okay expert you don't really know shit
@@rabarebra oh and the rest don't? Wise up grasshopper
@@rabarebra yeah like you seen any of his interviews LOL go away already
Mick is.not sueing motley Crue ..HE IS MOTLEY CRUE...he's suing a runaway ...kid drummer...coverband singer
I guess I dont fully understand Mick's position with the lawsuit....if he is not touring, why would/should he be getting anything from the tour proceeds? In any case, I def wont be going to see Crue on tour with the backing track stuff coming into light.
Let's say you co-wrote a play - you and a writing partner - and that play is touring theatres all over the country making a nice profit - but your writing partner is taking 95% of the money? You might be a bit annoyed.
@@fallenshallrise No, I get that, and that he is a founding member and all that....but from what I understand, he signed a contract agreeing to not get paid specifically if he didn't tour, right? Maybe I am missing something. He still gets royalties from everything else they still sell, just not from this next tour with John 5 in his place. I think he is bitter they are moving on without him on this next huge tour that he obviously cant do.
@@samunden merchandise situation i wonder how thats all goning to pan on out ?
@@rosehickey8483 That's a good point and I'm not sure but I would assume that gets lumped into "tour proceeds". I'm sure they all have lawyers and contracts and whatnot to account for every penny MC brings in and how it gets divided up. FWIW, I think the whole situtaion is shitty. They should have retired retired after the final tour like they promised. Then this with Mick and all the back track BS...they've gone full KISS at this point. Shame.
He's not at the shows to make sure they are actually making what they tell him they are making on merchandise. A founding member DEFINITELY deserves a cut of merch. I understand the guys still touring deserve a bigger cut since they are still influencing the sale of that merch, but the merch wouldn't sell as much without the value of Mick Mars' past contributions to Crue as a brand.
I have no use for Judas Priest anymore.
I personally feel Mick Mars and KK downing both got really bad deals since they were there from the beginning and were huge parts of those band's they were in Mick Mars started motley Crue if it wasn't for Mick Mars there would be no motley Crue period and kk downing was with Judas priest from the beginning and played on all of the best album's of priest and had alot to do with creating that band and the song's so I think the way they are being treated really is quite crappy and shameful and wrong !!!
Why do musicians always hate each other?
Ego and greed.
Musicians are mainly assholes
@Max Taurus rammstein. Same line up since the beginning, in the 80's. Not my favorite music tho.
Ego's
YESHUA said. For ALL kinds of evil. ALL are caused by money
Motley was always my favorite band period. Now I'm just so disappointed. Backing tracks have ruined music, if you can't play it leave it alone. Don't lie and rob people. So disappointed
...AND Micheal Denner with Mercyful Fate...
Eagles & Don Felder situation fell apartuch the same way, money and a shared unity no matter who dings or write songs because that's sum of the Parts to borrow Genesis doc name, Terry Geezer Butler once asked about advice for young musicians said in a radio interview, Rockline, perhaps, "Get yourself a good Lawyer' and right from the start you can see problems with contracts from labels alone
Typos above, beware
Mick and KK should form the band "Motley Priest."
Judas Crue sounds much better.
jūdith brëw 🍻
Or would Judas Crüe be even cooler?
KK is the Only original member! They need him back!!
Really I thought that was Ian Hill
2:49 I think that's Mars' main beef, the forcing of the retirement and ripping him off of who knows how many millions.
I love KK and Mars, but if your going to retire and not tour in this business, they are going to cut you out to pay for the new member with a piece of your % and split the rest.
Wow that suck man, although he don't contribute anymore, his share's value is equal to his legacy with the band.
Rob is so happy to be in Judas Priest. He was crushed when the record company made him quit the group. He loves doing public relations/public interviews. He probably loves singing the songs.
Rob is a drama queen. Glenn and him fought like mad.
KK should be in the touring band. Everyone knows him and wants him there I guess except the rest of the band, and if he is a 25% shareholder in Priest he should occupy 25% of the stage (yes I know it doesn't work that way but it makes sense to me). Work it out and let the Priest be the Priest
Everyone is siding with Mick, he exposed the biggest frauds in rock.
I get why K.K. is upset but when you retire from a band you helped form, you are at the mercy of the other guys doing right by you unless things were set up properly and often lawyers and management do not have the best interest of one individual within the band in mind.
K.K and mick are legendary
Talent/ego/or lack of/ fans, women, the WORLD AND THE MACHINE!!!🌹
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EVERYONE IS ABOVE 18, HAS FREE WILL, OBVIOUSLY CAN'T READ AND WRITE THAT ALL.
Mick Mars is/was/will always be the best guitarist for Motley Crue. The perfect foil for Nikki's songwriting IMO.
It’s long way to the top if you wanna rock and roll…..
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KK I think hits the nail on the head. Judas Priest should have him in it! I mean are they bringing ripper back and have the sole original member be Ian? ALL of these legacy bands are turning into VERY expensive cover bands. There is a lot more that I can say. But why. They are starting to lash out at the fans that supported them from the beginning. Thats fine. I don't have to support them anymore.
It's like the real musicians are getting sidelined and kicked out and the rest of the band are using backing tracks. WTF is going on in rock and roll
The TWO KEY ELEMENTS to success...left out in the COLD... No honor, no loyalty, sad...
Glenn and KK is Judas Priest.👍
All this fighting over money in public is bumming me out. Certainly taints the legacy of all involved from my perspective.
KK and Mike: "Why do these people I've hated for thirty years want to do me wrong?"
$$$$$$$$
Nailed it. Mick was indeed the most talented but it’s no secret he has always been an asshole to the rest of them. And KK can fuck off after all of the shit he has said and done over the years.
Pretty stupid comment
Kk and Mars should start a band...?😮
Should they call it Judas Crue or Motley Priest 🙂 ?
That would be awesome...
Love it!
@@jeromewagschal9485 Love it. I think the second one. : D
If Mars is really asking for 25% of tour $$$ then I support Motley you don’t get paid for a job your not doing and John 5 needs to get paid but if they are trying to cut him out of “ other revenue ( not there music catalog they sold that off ) then I support Mars
If they have sold their music catalogue (read: publishing rights), he has nothing to collect. He should definitely not get any of the touring income now when he is retired - that is just ridiculous. If he have paid any pension funds (which I guess he hasn't), he get the lowest rates you can get in pension.
In my oppinion....There would of never been a motley crue without mick or a judas priest without kk.
Without their signature guitar work it wouldn't be what it is. If the bands don't want to pay original members after they leave, I think the replacements should have to pay to play original members music to not be seen as a fraud.