Piracy Doesn’t Pay
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Plex will ban hosting Plex servers via Hetzner in a move to distance themselves from piracy.
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Plex needs to stop trying to reinvent itself and just stick to what it's good at, otherwise people are just going to start changing to Jellyfin.
2 late, already in bed with the idea
Jellyfin is great!
@@Deffinnition no Apple TV app unfortunately
@@Aether-EntropySwiftfin is a app you can use but it’s not fully done yet but is available for public use
@@Aether-Entropy Swiftfin
Crunchyroll started as an anime piracy site, now they're worth 1.2 billion dollars, I can see why the pirate to legit path is so tempting for them
who streams from plex?
Plex by design can only be legit if the user uploads legit content.
@@smalltime0 The people who can't differentiate between your content and the random feeds.
Except that current pirate sites running on a Pentium II would have better stability and service than the crap infrastructure Crunchyroll has.
@@SenileOtaku lol true
Want an alternative to piracy? Revert the streaming market to where it was 6-7 years ago, when ALL you needed was a Prime and a Netflix account, rather than 100+ services that all now exist to silo content people would be more than happen to pay for. What we AREN'T prepared to do is pay for a dozen or more services that are all offering less and less, and using our sub fees to push intersectional crap they produce. To get the content I desire right now would have once cost about $30/month for 2 or 3 services. Now, to access that same content I'd be up for well over $150/month.
Guess what, I now sail the 7 seas even though I'd be happy to pay a fair amount, but I'm not given that option any longer.
Just let me buy things instead of subscriptions
Unsustainable. It's all great but they earn way less than needed to sustain paying for temporary licenses of content they host
To make it sustainable they have to enforce ads even with subscriptions and raise the price of subscriptions to also cover ever growing costs on maintaining infrastructure that streams you the video
We went from expensive flow TV - which is even worse these days, with thousands of ads, and countless channels you'd never watch.. to 1 streaming service for all your needs - essentially killing piracy - back to wannabe flow TV with 50 channels (services), with most of the things being content you're not interested in.. and ads being thrown back into the mix....
Everything people wanted to get away from has essentially returned.
... and piracy is thriving once again. Sigh.
BUT COMPETITION IS GREAT FOR COMSUMERS!!!!!!
@@Turbojugend27 except there is no completion and everyone is just sitting on their small island and collecting money
The thing is, ripping your OWN blue-rays is illegal in Germany. You’re not allowed to circumvent copy protection even for own use… it’s really stupid
It's illegal in the U.S. as well. You're legally allowed to make an archival copy of your media, but you're not allowed to break the copy protection to do it, and that's what makes it illegal. Nobody is going to come after you for it unless you're blatantly distributing like these people were.
@@TheGameBench oh is it? I wasn’t aware of that! That’s actually crazy…
@@TheGameBench well, thing is, what counts as "breaking copy protection"? does just copying bit 1:1 from disc count as breaking copy protection?
(many bluray drives have issue that you can very easily get the data by just reading the disc bit by bit instead of reading the files through the drives firmware)
It is also illegal to prevent you from making a backup of the media you own, meaning it IS legal to circumvent the encryption.
@@BPo75are you saying in the US? Because in Germany that is completely forbidden by law. You’re not allowed to (even have the software to) circumvent DRM or any kind of copy protection
Oh and piracy has become completely justifiable again, due to streaming services now becoming a pain in the ass. Back in the late 2000s everyone had Netflix, and Netflix had a huge catalog that kept growing with content from all different companies. Now you have like 20 different streaming services and it's a nightmare to even find what service has the thing you want to watch, and it gets to a point some devices may not even have apps for a certain service or maybe their app sucks (for example the HBO app on my android box supports HDR perfectly with no setup, the Amazon app doesn't).
When piracy is more convenient than paying for the content, then piracy not only will exist but it deserves to exist and thrive. I'm very radical about this, if you want to charge for a service it needs to be better and more convenient than pirating it, otherwise piracy is better.
Piracy been there for hundreds of years mainly to give the finger to the government/monarchy over bs tarrifs/tax or companies who use patent/dmca laws BTW they're ones who created IP laws not the people.
I mean, you ain't wrong there.
I just don't want to do business with a corp that hates me, and if I'm a straight white male, that's quite a lot of them.
spot on there - its the whole reason we dont really have a music piracy scene anymore - spotify still has pretty much everything on their service, so the convenience is better than piracy (I dont have to download, sort, rename, catagorize etc.). Plex + Piracy fills that space in video, even with the downloading and renaming, as it is all in a single place. I'd be happy to pay for a service that offers the same level of content completeness for video as spotify does for audio/music.
Plex kind of does counter one of your points there - and I'm guessing that's what they're currently aiming at.
You're able to connect your disney, netflix, and whatever else streaming service accounts to it, and just have that one place to look up things - Plex.
LTT: Hey Plex we are so happy you fixed the issues that were our concerns, we'd love to have a relationship again
Plex: Can you please stop calling us sponsors of Piracy?
When the pirates have a better experience than your paying customers, it's justifiable to pirate (IMO, ofc)
its always justifiable to pirate because whether I don't care about the a company worth a billion getting my 20€
@@prismaticc_abyssyea but that logic doesn’t work. If everyone thought like that then they wouldn’t be rich. It’s like saying, well I’m only 1 out of 100 million, why would I bother voting.
@@quintitwe don’t want them to be rich we’re in late stage capitalism you need to keep wealth in your own hands because over 50% of the worlds wealth is in the top 1% of the population. They should be being taxed back into normal ranges but that doesn’t happen.
@@quintit Have you ever stopped to think that maybe they don't deserve to be rich?
@@JeronimoStilton14 "Late Stage Capitalism" - you mean just Capitalism :)
If you are selling a Plex pirate service and you are reading this, please start just selling access to the library through something like NFS so we can just run our own Plex instances. I would pay you more money to not have to deal with the constant plex share bans.
I agree. It's usually the few who spoil a good thing for everyone else. I'm only using the free version for my own personal use & to share videos with family, and I don't want that to stop just because a few people are taking too much advantage of a good thing. I'd rather pay a small amount to have all the basic Media Server features I use actually work (like offline mobile use as Linus mentioned)
buy an app box
Stop crying 😂
@@The-Wild-James Stop crying said the man using a cry laugh emoji, the state of some people..
People will just share Jellyfin instead.
Not going to lie, I absolutely would download a screwdriver.
You wouldn't download a 3D printer.
@@roberto8650 what if i buy a matchbox sized 3D printer, and build the parts for a milk carton sized printer, and then a normal sized one! and then a car sized one and then pirate a car!
@@roberto8650You'd be surprised. Completely DIY 3D printers (with 3D printed parts) do exist. I mean, obviously you're not 3D printing a stepper motor (yet) or a hotend, but those are just generically available parts
@@roberto8650Fairly certain I got the .stl files for a 3d printer somewhere on my comp.. I believe there's a couple on thingiverse 😅
"You wouldn't download a car.."
Hell I wouldn't. Cars are expensive AF.
"Piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem" - Gabe Newell.
If people are willing to go to the hard route of pirating media and still pay for a service like Plex, underscores a critical problem in how media services are structured today. The gaming industry's success in curbing piracy through centralized, affordable, and user-friendly platforms like Steam serves as a testament. Currently, the media streaming landscape remains fragmented, with people subscribing to multiple services each month just to access content they wont even own. Addressing this fragmentation is crucial to mitigating piracy's relevance.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that I couldn't roll my eyes any harder than when I see that Gabeen quote
It's now a pricing problem. All of the official apps more or less work. I am not paying $15-$30/month for a siloed streaming service to get 1 show I want.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 You'd be more likely to pay 60 for 4-6 shows to watch though.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 The fact it has 1 show worth watching (and a bunch of fodder nobody wants) _is_ a service problem.
i love luke just calling plex servers just "linux isos" its gold lmao
It hurts my brain to hear him say that. I'm not even sure... what does that even mean?
@@realzyxtomatic "Linux ISO" is a term for pirated movies, because getting a Linux ISO via torrenting is legal. So the joke is that you're obviously only torrenting Linux ISOs and nothing else. I assume that they mean that.
@@YksNoobi Gotcha. I'm totally familiar with ISOs, but I guess I'd just never heard the term used as a euphemism for pirating before. :-)
@@realzyxtomatic An ISO is the type of file that is written on to optical discs (DVD, Blu-ray, etc.)
@@YksNoobi I get what you mean but this makes it sound like Linux ISOs are some kind of exception whereas everything else is illegal to torrent. BitTorrent is a network protocol that is obviously completely legal to use, just like HTTP or FTP or whatever. You could be using it to share any kind of file. Linux ISOs is just one of the things it's most commonly used to share legally because Linux communities are tech savvy but anyone could use it.
It's a very common and known fact. First you start as a service that cater to pirates and once you grow a sufficient pool of user you go 180 and turn corpo. That's the story of most internet services.
Fakku and Fuwanovel did that. (Weeb sites that turned hard corpo)
@@Spherehead123 weeb sites? Bro that's hentai
Friendship ended with Plex.
Now Jellyfin is my best friend.
Yup. And migration was so darn simple.
I love that my ISP, Bahnhof, is one of the leaders in radical protection of personal privacy in Sweden. They regularly challenge and call out politicians and police on bad behaviour and refuse to give out customer information regarding IPs unless the police fills out a formal request that specifies whar crime it relates to and it has to have prison time as a possible sentence to be valid. They also offer a cheap VPN service hosted in their server halls that basically just washes your IP through a server that doesn't require IP logging because it is run by someone else. Which is the 5th of July Foundation (spun off by Bahnhof) named after the date when UN adopted the resolution about human rights on the Internet
Can I move to Sweden now? Thanks
That sounds amazing. We had a company like that in The Netherlands as well (XS4ALL, they founded Bits Of Freedom as well) but they were purchased by the biggest national provider a few years ago and while it didn't go downhill right away, it's also no longer improving or moving forward.
Wait, your ISP is named train station?
@@justaguyraging Yup 😊
If companies would stop forcing us to use THEIR streaming app, I feel like a lot of the piracy would stop. Nobody wants to pay $10 a month for a service they only use for a single show.
yea the streaming services have made piracy necessary. one example is my mom who has been conned into paying over $200/month to streaming services so she can watch a bunch of shows made back in the '70s. shows which were once freely available via broadcast. piracy is really the only way she can watch her old shows affordably. for awhile she was paying for a $150 service just so she could watch jeopardy. were talking a senior citizen confined to a wheelchair here. i mostly pirate because of the blatant vandalism being done against my beloved franchises by the entertainment industry with a tendency towards revisionism. it is now my duty to preserve the originals (eg the original theatrical releases of classic star wars movies).
@@LordOfNihil
When there were only 3 or 4 streaming services, nobody pirated movies and TV shows. They were all on either Netflix or Hulu. Suddenly, though, HBO got greedy, pulled their shows and made their own service. Paramount did the same. NBC did it. Fox and CNN also decided to do it. DIsney really went full-in on it, etc.
We went from a nice and easy $25 a month payment for one service to six $5 or $10 /mo payments for services we only bought just to watch one show.
I'm not paying for HBO max just to watch Band of Brothers when I could have just as easily have done it years ago through the services I already had.
@@cherrypepsi2815 oh i get it. they slew the great cable dragon, only to replace it.
@@cherrypepsi2815 We’ve been pirating things since data was on floppy, so I’m skeptical on your claim that no one pirated movies or tv shows when there were only 3 or 4 streaming services.
Pirates gonna pirate, and they’ll never go away.
and this is only possible because of copyright laws
Given that companies are deleting from existence images, movies and shows, "piracy" will be the way content will be preserved into the future.
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@@trickyd499 ._.
same here
same here :)
Amazing how once all the streaming services got fragmented and u need 6million different accounts suddenly priacy is back.
The problem is the people who are selling access to their plex server, essentially profitting from the pirated work.
How do they sell access? (Asking for a friend)
what do you mean how? You must be a plex agent lol@@mcpr5971
100% lol Its a lot closer to those who share pirated files on these naughty websites than the average user who just DLs them.
holy based
it is definitly not easy profit, they have to spend hundreds and sometimes thousands on large amounts of storage (at least the big shares). They also take the risk of downloading the illegal content for you.
Im just gonna stick to JellyFin since they won’t change up on us
And if they do, somebody will fork it.
@@ccoder4953I mean, remember Emby, what Jellyfin is forked after
@@ccoder4953Already happens twice plex->emby->jellyfin.
Can you imagine the *Audacity* of someone taking a beloved open source project and, say, adding telemetry?
@@GSBarlevregrettably that's a thumbs up for the dad joke
kinda ashamed how long it took me to realize the term "linux ISOs" was a funny secret phrase
Pirate Party got deregistered after filing paperwork fell to me. Overly bureaucratic meetings were bleeding supporters for a while.
Which country's Pirate Party?
@@BPo75 Canada's, same one mentioned in the video.
@@jamesphillips2285 hahaha, or I should say hardy har har? It isn't terribly easy to register a party here. Don't you need like 50 people?
@@revcrussell Parties are required to submit audited paperwork every year. If they fail to do that they are de-registered.
And honestly, if party governance has broken down to the point that you can't file paperwork: the party *should* be de-registered.
I will do my duty to the reborn pirate party and 3d print an LTT screwdriver the moment i get home!
Are we not going to mention when plex servers were hacked and user data was leaked? I switched to Jellyfin after that.. literally no reason why I should have to connect to a 3rd party server when I'm already hosting the server on my own hardware.
This all day.
Other uses for Plex. I can share my Comcast cable remotely with the right setup, and don't have to pay for cable again.
That can only be shared with "home" users.
It's also possible in jellyfin with right hardware
Doesn't that *technically* violate cable provider's terms? Just curious, I don't have cable myself, nor do I work for one.
Yeah, when it works...and being Plex, that's a gamble. Also, have fun when Comcast kills cablecard off...it's coming, and Plex isn't interested in supporting TVE to at least give us something.
> use proprietary software
> get forked by shitty business decisions
> move to different proprietary software
> rinse and repeat. People never learn.
if only most open-source software was as hasslefree to use as proprietary software
I see it that way: you can learn how to fix your own car and be free, or you can leave that to company approved mechanics along with any choice in how that car is going to work (or refuse to work). That's been the case with hardware for decades and it's the same with software. But yeah some people will prefer to sacrifice everything including their souls just for that little bit of extra comfort. @@abdelkarimouzzine5671
@@abdelkarimouzzine5671Assuming you already have a server, which you'll need anyway, you can spin up a docker container of jellyfin in a single command
@@sycration what normie has a server in their house and how do you assume that they can just spin up a docker container
@@abdelkarimouzzine5671how else did they spin up the plex server on a server?
If buying isn't owning, piracy is not stealing.
There was a short period of time when streaming was more convinient than pirating. Now? Nope. There is more than ten streaming services and the market is so segmented that it became a nightmare to use. Why pay for five or more services when you can download from one place for free?
When people tout Google TV as a life saver because it makes it easier to track down a title across multiple streaming services, you have to realize there is a serious problem with the industry at large.
These apps are supposed to make life easier, but they fractured the entire ecosystem so completely that yeah, it's easier to pirate.
Don't tell that to the MBAs in charge though, they're too busy being completely blind to reality to realize they poison everything they touch.
No need to even download them, in the sense of torrents, nowadays. You can stream all sorts of movies/tv shows on many clear-net piracy sites.
if those services would atleast be consistent. today i realized that 2 shows, i was watching on netflix, already have 2 new seasons on other streaming platforms, but not on netflix. for what do i pay netflix 20$?
Instead of trusting someone else computer and shared Internet, I bought an old Dell Optiplex with an 8th gen i7 for $300 shipped. Handles a almost a dozen hardware transcodes and as many direct streams as my network speed can support, which is more than enough for the 4-5 max streams between me, wife, and kids.
I'm in the process of doing the same. Just reading, and re-reading...
My Plex server/NAS is a HP EliteDesk 800 G2 SFF with a 4th gen i5 that I got for free. It works just fine, and the only time that the transcode can't keep up is if I have 4K content. But it's only like 0.8x realtime, so generating optimized versions is not that time consuming if I do it in advance. Hardware transcode would be supported and might make 4K work fine, but for whatever reason, Plex does not detect that HW transcode is possible despite all the libva tooling in the Plex jail telling me it is. I think it's because this is the first generation of QuickSync and it has limitations on what it can handle, so perhaps Plex ignores it even though it's available.
Same. I self-host my media server. I control everything about it. No Plex bullshit. I opted for a cheapo video card instead, but it handles multiple streams and hardware transcodes no problem. And I don't ever have to communicate with the providers of the software.
I bought a thin client for $30, it can't do transcodes unless it's 480p (most stuff has been re-encoded on my desktop for it) but it can direct stream to everyone in the house. Is nice.
Also, if you want to set it up so it's accessible from anywhere, check out Tailscale.
if you dont want people to pirate, dont charge absolutely outrageous fees for streaming services (and theres also like 4 of them, all with different things.)
4? bruh theres easily 8 of them if not more
We’ve returned to the cable model that we so desperately wanted to escape.
It's funny as hell that you're saying this in a conversation about Plex when you can watch it free-with-ads and the ads don't take up much time, and their paid service is like $5 a month and includes DVR service. If you want to make a good point, know the subject first. Also.... 4 of what exactly? You're just blurting out random vague crap about broad subjects and missing the mark on every single thing.
@jamescarter3196 yeah there's plex. Theres also 8 other streaming services that cost over 10 bucks a month. Why tf would I pay for those?
@@jamescarter3196 what you don't realize is that the +ads tier you watch on is making more money for streaming services than people who pay for ad free content. that's why Netflix and the other streaming services are trying to increase the costs of the ad free tiers to incentive people to not watch the ads while making their cost go away slowly as the prices hike. The streaming wars are over and now everyone is losing money. its now an endurance race to see who will be the last couple to remain.
Leave it at hetzner setup a tailscale exit tunnel on a smaller vps / oracle free tier etc and route all the traffic. This is a cat and mouse game. Plex should directly audit accounts from plex servers sharing 100 users (max) instead of banning ip ranges from hetzner.
Exactly, they should just be looking at the wide range sharers a bit harder as it seems like it'd be an easy thing for them to check.
Very few people sharing more than 15-40 accounts probably aren't the most legit
if buying a product isn't ownership privacy isn't stealing
I would disagree with the characterization that PLEX was designed to cater to pirates. There was a time when people legitimately owned huge collections of movies on DVD and BluRay. In those days there was a movement toward methods of watching that content without the need to put the disc in the player each time you wanted to see something. Streaming wasn't a thing then because most people didn't have the internet speed for it, and while you technically could pirate stuff, you had to run a torrent instance on your PC, keep it connected 24/7 and it could take weeks to download an entire video. There were a couple of ways to rip and stream your own stuff, the two biggest were Windows XP Media Center Edition and PLEX, both at the time were intended to be used in a home network typically from a PC connected to a TV. Windows MCE died as streaming services took off, and PLEX for a long time was the last user operated streaming platform. No argument that it's used for piracy, but that's like blaming the spoon for your weight problem. Yes, the spoon is a wonderful ice cream delivery device.. but it was the user, not the spoon's designer, who used it to eat a quart of Ben and Jerry's every day for the last two years.
In plex’s case its both. they made it better for piracy as time went on
Shoot half the time I look things up in their forums its things from years ago about "x" problem with their DVD or "better ways to rip 'x' media"
@@RusticRonnie How may I ask did they do that? PLEX doesn't offer any way at all to copy content from say a DVD to a hard drive.. all it does is organize and serve the content it has access to. That the service is used for piracy doesn't implicate the tool.
It's funny cause I'd bet if they make that list they'd get allot more paid subscriptions
If everything was on one platform that charged a reasonable price, piracy would not be nearly as prevalent as it is. The streaming service industry has made its own problem.
Its Hetzner because:
They turn a blind eye against illegal stuff (If you dont get caught)
They have very cheap servers with intel i7 and stuff with quicksync for transcoding
It was just the perfect place
I wouldn't say that, they block a lot of people before they even get a machine and they seem to like bullying people as soon as something goes wrong. But again if you stay in the legal it's a very good service.
To add to the second point: they have a 'server auction' where they auction off computing time on older dedicated servers that other customers had stopped using, if I recall correctly.
Ya hetzner also has unlimited bandwidth on there dedicated boxes
Didn’t know about the quicksync. That makes all the difference.
I've just started collectibg Linux ISOs and haven't had much issues with the download feature. recompiling large Linux ISOs seems to be the biggest hurdle people are having. if your server hardware can't handle the job it could easily bomb out.
Depends on the amount of people simultaneously compiling isos though... If it's just you + a friend, even a reasonably modern Pentium gold or i5 can do it 👍
@@Akab but a lot of people are compiling on NAS systems without hardware compiling support. one ISO with new standard compression techniques can stress out just using software. but idk, I would assume those doing the same would do some research on techniques and hardware like I did beforehand.
I recently took a short trip and was able to compile enough ISOs on a 7th generation Intel NUC to satisfy my Linux needs for a 4 day trip. Perhaps the size and formatting of the ISOs are the issue but my crummy old PC handled it no problem.
@@Itsjustanopinionchill you can always disable transcoding and just look for a standard like h.264
Wow dude... I rip every disc I buy and keep it in storage. I don't want to be the outlier here. I got into Plex 20 years after I stopped pirating. The only reason I did it was for my kids originally, but I got tired of streaming and started buying discs. No pirate here.
The question had been asked and answered before with VHS, are you allowed to reproduce content for personal use that you had legal access to for a brief moment. Making the distinction at ripping is wrong in terms of precedent.
@@DOGbackwardz What's the precedent? As far as I understand it, ripping (backing up) discs is completely legal.
@@Saturn2888 It is, my statement was about not limiting legal consumer behavior to ripping. The precedent with VHS is about receiving information and storing it. So based on that precedent if you have access to a streaming service and then store the show.
@@Saturn2888 I think they are talking about if you were to borrow a dvd from the library and rip it rather than ripping a copy of your own dvd. I believe the precedent is to treat the media in question as a license and that there should only be one user owning the license at any time. If you rip your own dvd, you remain the owner of the copy and the original so it is fine. If you rip a library copy and return, the library has one copy and you now have a second one that nobody paid for, thus making it illegal. I'm now a lawyer so I don't know 100% if this is how it works, but from what I've gathered I think it is.
@@DOGbackwardz Like recording live TV right? You can also then record shows from streaming services?
i recently learned about the pirate party recently while i was doing some data cleaning related to previous general elections! i went through literally every registered political party in every riding from 2011 - 2021 and the pirate party is the only name that still sticks out in my mind from that data
I myself vote pirate party in Norway, though they have changed name to Innovation and Technology Party. Even then, they kept the logo and are still affiliated with The European Pirates.
It's becoming a proverb almost. You know which one.
If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.
I actually take issue with the "dollar per reload" thing. It don't matter if I'm down to the last 5 players in a battle Royale: if a payment page popped up asking for a dollar, id uninstall right there.
That's the point though, they need you to go away so whales and suckers are all that remain , no objectors = more profit.
@@TheNewtonat least that’s what they think, very few games are filled with nothing but whales, you need a community behind them to attract the whales
@@mojommmmcause even with whales, they quickly and rapidly bail too when they are left with only other AH whales.
And through that they spend less and less even if some spend slightly more. With less actually playing the game/studio is no longer in the spotlight or has a horrible rep.
Whales aren’t the only thing that makes a game. They have to show investors the game is publicly doing well even if 3 whales are paying for the next 3 years buying 20hp heals for 20$ a pop for their 10K hp character
Was always thinking about moving to Jellyfish...
Right time to start, it's not complicated at all
@@SirVellen I have it already running on my TrueNAS Scale server but its not used. I have 4 family members and 5 friends who access my ISO's so its about switching them over. I also run Overseerr (fully automated with all the 'arr's)so I would have to deploy Jellyseerr as well and integrate that. I doubt the issues reported would affect my setup anytime soon so I will wait but its nice to know I have an alternative if required.
Good thing I stuck with self-hosted Jellyfin I suppose
Self hosted Plex would be fine. It’s the fact people are reselling access to pirated material is the issue.
@@TheBenSandersBecause people on Jellyfin don't do that either?
>imagine paying to use more bandwidth when you could just simply buy the legit media once and convert+encode for offline viewing
"you wouldnt download a screwdriver"
Fun story: I had ..... legitimately acquired ..... an item of entertainment ..... that happened to have that "you wouldnt download a car" plug still in the lead in. When that line came up, I leaned forward and pressed spacebar to pause the video, opened a new tab, went to thingiverse, found a Lamborghini Diablo model (one of the nice detailed ones), waited for it to finish downloading, closed the tab, and unpaused the video.
....try tellin me what I wouldnt do....pfft, they dont know me! And if they're so brazenly wrong about that, I feel that doesnt bode well for any other statements they may have to make either, now does it?
beautifully mad
This would be funnier if you didn't try to frame it as a real story.
@@kieranboulton3953 And youd be cuter if you didnt assume every story that didnt align with your world view was fake. Every word of it was true. But, hey you can feel like a big strong man calling it fake if you like. Plenty of people in this world allow their arrogance to make them look like an ass....
@@zombieregime I would have believed it if it was actually possible. But as it goes the phrase "You wouldn't download a car" was never in any version of the video to begin with, the phrase only became a thing after the video stopped being used.
It has nothing to do with my world view, it's to do with the fact that you claim to have reacted to something that was never there.
@@kieranboulton3953 OH MY GOD HE GOT A WORD WRONG ON SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED A DECADE AGO!!!!! FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE !!!!!!!
But hey, at least you feel like a big boy now, eh?
If Plex want to look more legit, maybe they should go back to being a "personal media hub" by fixing the images side of things, fixing the download feature, anything else that makes sense for PERSONAL MEDIA.
I got pro to support the product and give me an easy path to upload my phone media TO my server. They killed that feature 6 months later and gave me a load of garbage TV on demand stuff I never watch... I do it manually at the moment but close to just binning Plex, going to emby or whatever and use a own cloud setup as the backend. Media managed by own cloud, viewed by emby/jellyfish/osmc....
Once Plex started diving heavily in to their own on-demand crap, they kinda lost the game. Jellyfin or Emby are the better options.
I thought I was done with piracy as a working adult (prices are so unfair to kids), but... I mean...
Movies: I try to find a thing I want to watch. Half the scenes are now censored out (Black elliot fantasy in scrubs, anyone? Turk Chocolate man?), the music got replaced and ruined, and movies that are over 10 years old, even 20, are either unavailable on streaming services or for whatever reason require me to pay 10 bucks to rent them.
Games: I try to stick to steam only. Over the years, I've created a massive steam collection. I like Steam. Steam is the best.
HOWEVER --- Now I got me some of them kids.... I saved up a lot of kid-friendly games over the years, awaiting great deals and such.
Now, these kids can't even play DIFFERENT games, on DIFFERENT computers, and neither can I, myself!
Because family sharing actually doesn't allow you to play different games at the same time. If it was the same game, I'd understand. But I'm not giving my kids their own steam accounts, nor am I rebuying these games.
If I still had these games on physical media (CD, DVD, etc) or just licensing without a library tool like Steam, there wouldn't have been a single problem.
I feel this is highly unfair and simply put; extremely stupid.
Yeah, I'm not paying for those games again, sorry. They fucked it up, I'm not taking their responsibility.
offline mode is the easiest way to work around this, if they want to play a game they can download it and run their client in offline mode, as long as the game doesn't have any sort of drm
@@JEM_Tank Why even give them money when they won't respect your freedom
@@leonidas14775 I'm confused? I was just mentioning to them that there is a workaround.
I never mentioned my stance on anything
Offline mode solves this.
@@JEM_Tank You are correct. He can use offline mode for the games he already bought as a temporary bypass. I wouldn't want to give them more money though.
Same as if a crack exists for a game, but why give the publisher more money when they themselves don't want me to use what I paid for how I want. Same with Tesla soft-locking the batteries on cars. Even if there's a workaround or hack to bypass the restriction, I won't give them money on principle.
If you have an old Plex account you get all the features of the owner of the server, but newer accounts are feature gated. It’s an incredibly annoying system.
How does this work? I've had the same Plex account for years and years, I've only ever used it as a home media server.
I'm guessing this is more aimed at people who stream their libraries to others via an external service etc?
@@TalkieToaster. So if you add a user who is not premium they get the experience that the non-premium service normally is, even if the server host has premium. Way back in the day other accounts joining your server would get your benefits but it hasn't been like that in many years afaik. These features are things such as skipping intros/outros, automatic video quality, and some more features that I don't know tbh because I've been a permanent premium user for more than 5 years
@@hiRyan329329 Does that include having to pay for the mobile app? I thought users were supposed to be able to use the app for free as long as the server owner had premium, but then I heard it wasn't working for some people and I hadn't dug into why yet. That would explain it, kind of shitty of them though.
It’s crazy how many Linux ISOs are out there that need added to my collection. And then I view said ISOs on Jellyfin.
When you finish all the linux internet... there is another whole world of bsd/unix to explore
I missed the past few WAN shows because RUclips made changes. The WAN show isn't with the rest of the videos. Its in a different section for live streams.
This has been going on for a while on my end
Sounds like Plex is becoming the new KODI boxes as far as pirates selling access is concerned.
Also Linus forgot the other reason some people hate Private Internet Access. They were bought by a company with a history of producing Malware.
And then there was tunnel bear's torrent blocking.
“Piracy is not a pricing issue, it’s a service issue” ~ Gabe Newell
Pirate Party politics are not just about piracy, the Swedish, Icelandic, and Norwegian pirate parties for instance platform on the importance of right to privacy, freedom and conservation of information and transparency in government, protection of whistleblowers, and so much else, and as they have grown have each developed full and comprehensive political platforms on social, financial, healthcare, and international issues. The Icelandic Pirate Party even holds 6 seats in the Icelandic Parliament.
It is tough to stick with Plex as there are ongoing issues with their software that they haven't addressed while dumping resources into things no one wants or asked for. The headaches using the DVR function haven't improved in years.
The reason piracy exists is because of bad practices from streaming services and the movie industry as a whole. I'm looking forward to pay for quality indie movies in the future (where all involved is payed equally), because it's obvious the industry have no idea what they are doing.
Jellyfin works excellent.
We have a pirate party in Sweden too.
Not entirely, the actual reason for me is true ownership, hell, I pirate stuff just to ensure it will remain under my direct access forever. Even if I have bought an original copy of any form of software or media, I still pirate it as a form of backup. Some software lacks a version repo, forcing you to update to the current version, regardless of use case, either I fork it to remove bloat (waste of my fucking time) or pirate the version I need.
Can we all just agree that streaming isn't as convenient as piracy? As long as streaming doesn't offer literally every movie and series, piracy will exist. Media companies need to get their sh@t together and figure out easier licensing for older content. I still have to source dvds for some titles.
For hosting in Europe I will stick with the french company OVH. Had servers there for over 10 years now and the only time I had an unscheduled downtime was when a RAM module broke.
In the cheapest product line, explicitly marked as "not for production use". And they still replaced it within 4 hours after I called. Which is also why I initially ended up there: Price.
If you make a "bug report" in Plexes user forums (because they don´t have any kind of actual customer support), the response will either be complete silence, or a scolding from a Plex fanboy telling you why you are wrong. Plex really don´t like their current customers, and they seem to work hard to get rid of them!
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Have a little fiddle... 🤣
Blocking where you can self-host is a major negative to me. I've been using Jellyfin and now I won't go back because that's a red flag
Plex is the best Jellyfin advertisement at this point.
Plex is shotting itself in the foot these days. I get wanting to clean up the image and increase revenue but there missing the obvious big time. You advertise a product with features you need to make sure those features work or people are going to complain then walk away.
Industry: Don't pirate stuff, respect our intellectual property. Also we don't respect your intellectual property; we'll use it how we see fit. Because AI.
I think it would be smart to remix that Pirate Party live discovery as a short.
I'm so envious sometimes of people with names like "Matt" or "Jacob" for the *plausible deniability* it gives them for Google searches-it's really hard for me to sell, "No, that was the _other_ Gilad Barlev."
Piracy always pays off, just go ask the cops; they know best.
I have never subscribed to a streaming service and I never will. Every single one of them is a scam for both customers and investors.
Who cares about the investors, they are the reason it got this bad in the first place.
There's nothing wrong with copying information. It's not stealing because the owner of a medium of storage has had nothing stolen from them.
Besides, patent/copright laws protect the large corporations most, by design.
2:30 That's disgusting... where?.
Not sure, but I think it could be related to Germany fighting piracy (as Hetzner is Germany's company).
i regret buying the lifetime pass..
They're advertising it for 20% off today. Sounded a little tempting, but luckily I watched this whole video first.
Same. I bought mine years ago and then switched to emby 6 months later. Emby has its issues but at least the interface doesn’t have all this crap that isn’t mine
I legitimately backup my DVDs to digital and use the Plex frontend to stream on my home network from a local server. Idk if this will affect me. Doesn't sound like it.
About mobile downloads, it works for me. I'm using a Samsung Galaxy S21, and my videos are either H.264 or HEVC. You using a weird device or something?
It never worked for me as well.
Although, there was an Android App update that claims the mobile download has been fixed, but I never tried it.
Transcoded downloads?
*Laugh in Jellyfin and Kodi. *
this is a good AD for Hetzner. Just saw their pricing ... Its good
1:10 I believe I believe they've done sponsor spots on the show [...] my understanding is it's a pretty good product overall
Both Plex' action and this video segment ;) Although its probably not intended as an AD from LTT
Plex does not support ISO files, or any other disk image formats. You always need to convert your video into one of the MANY file formats it does however support (mkv, mp4, avi, etc....)
you missed the joke
@@aagaming9395 Oh... *Hangs head in shame
I'm over the Eufy stuff. Wyze did a much worse thing to their customers, a security firm pointed it out to them, and for years neither said anything about it or fix it. That smells of a payoff to keep the security firm quiet. Wyze has also put originally free features behind a pay wall without grandfathering existing devices. What Eufy did wasn't great, but they've been transparent with it and have taken steps to improve. Nest products have been hacked and their monitoring services have caught employees spying on customers and saving photos and videos of the customers. Yet they're still around. Yes, Eufy does make a baby camera/monitor that doesn't have an online connection. It's actually pretty great.
Quite the Lars Ulrich view. Make sure you keep fighting against those evil ad-blockers as well.
I haven’t used Plex in a long while. I saw they were pushing me to use their centralised system, so I said they can go burn in heck, and jumped ship within the month to Jellyfin. I appreciate the features for non-technical users, but it’s unacceptable to me to that there wasn’t a way to completely remove all Plex-central integrations (or I just missed it).
I actually just use my personal media. Like, I’m twenty, I don’t even have a VHS player anymore, so I can’t play my childhood tapes, without this.
I host everything locally, I store all my shows and movies off my massive hard drive array in my Home PC. If I wanted to view it on the go, I'd probably set up a way to remote stream it from my own home. I will never, ever, trust a company or rely on them. THey are flippant, and why pay for something you can have free?
"Piracy doesn´t pay" Yeah that´s the whole point I guess.
In Croatia (wild east when it comes to copyright) there are 3-4 services with off the shelf android boxes set up to connect to their (mostly) plex server
Shoot, here even in California if you go to a flea market (public market) there are countless stands where people are selling those android boxes or hacked roku/firestick devices
@@hiRyan329329 the difference is that they are legal and functional companies. Customer support and all. Not some shady flea market trader. These are still shady though.
All i can say is why would i pay for 20 streaming services when i can bookmark two websites and have free access to everything available.
Let’s remember: Plex started by taking XBMC and adding a thin wrapper on top to turn it in to a server.
I almost guarantee that there is still XBMC/Kodi code in the Plex binaries.
Just curious as to what this might be good for.
If it or what comes out as the result of it lets me skip having to be always online to utilize plex on any and all devices that have the app and local network access, this might just be good. Considering jellyfyn but I gotta know whether they have the accessibility level that plex does across all platforms.
I actually want to see them do a video bringing back the Pirate Party of Canada with that person who used to run it and seemingly now works for them. Then, keep it going as a recurring election time joke. Maybe upload some LLT shows via torrents.
Switched to Jellyfin over a year ago now. Works great 👍
This is why Jellyfin exist, and it's working flawlessly nowadays. Only thing missing is skip intro/credits natively.
Now that he isn't CEO anymore, Linus is looking for new opportunities such as running for prime minister of Canada
2:57 what do you mean "ISOs"? i didn't think PLEX supported ISOs...or are you talking about something else? i know that the MP4 format was ratified by ISO/IEC...
“Challenges are challenging.” - Linus S. Manperson Esq.
what if this was requested by hetzner? because if thousands of people are accessing someones plex being hosted by them then that can bog down hetzners servers and cause trouble for them.
I know anime pirate sites that look run and act more professional than any of the "legit" anime sites on the internet so I don't really get where the bad image could come from lol. At the end of the day if your product/service is desirable people will pay for it no amount of tricks or fake business changes will make people come to you.
"You wouldn't download a screwdriver". In all seriousness, if you guys had an option to buy the screwdriver bundled with like, a file for people to 3D print custom shell colors, I'd 100% buy at that option over the regular one. I mean, I'd never end up actually using the file, because I don't have a 3D printer, but y'know, I like the idea that I could.
LTT Screwdriver stl files on Thingiverse... because..
Linus just needs to shut up and go away
Been Using the download feature fine for the last year watched loads of my media on the plane
I love plex's UI though over jelllyfin or emby
plex distancing itself from piracy is like OF distancing itself from pornography.
We pirates are human, too. We deserve service, even if we can’t pay for it. We are poor but we are not animals
You actually don’t. (Idk if this is suppose to be a meme but if so /whoosh lol)
I don’t get this mentality. Find and get what you need but how the heck do you deserve it?
No you don’t. Imo you deserve food and shelter and a basic education so that you can get a job and contribute to society one way or another. You don’t deserve or need a Disney plus account. That is a want
@@berengerchristy6256 This is the matrix and I will not spend my life living to the dictates of the matrix
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Plex nuked my library a few months ago (confirmed via system logs) and support can't tell me why so I just swapped to jellyfin
I run my own Plex server off of an old Surface Book sitting on a cooling pad on my desk, hooked up to a big external drive. The GPU is fast enough to transcode for 1-2 users at a time, and can direct play many more screens at a time. Combined with a Plex Pass, it’s perfect for me and my family. The issue here is people hosting Plex boxes and selling library access, which I can understand Plex having a problem with.
My dad is livid about the whole piracy market. When VHS and DVD were created, he made tapes and cartridges that could count how many times they were watched. And Hollywood never adapted the technology. He's like, "Imagine going to a gas station and just driving off after filling up and not paying."
Lmso thanks dad. If you could "copy" gas into your can you say you wouldn't?
i remember your dads tapes, he costed me £32 million back in the day cus his tapes couldnt handle me rewinding or pausing a movie when i got up to grab a drink and just kept counting as a new watch
@@drinkwater9891 Yeah..that never happened cause that's not how it worked. it couldn't count in the middle of a play. You are just full or crap.
@@brianegendorf2023 well everytime i got a movie from blockbuster with that tech in it i put it in once to rewind it and it coutned as one, then i presesd play to actually start the movie and it counted as two
@@brianegendorf2023If I may ask, what was the value in knowing how many times the video/dvd was watched?
How would someone leverage that information?
Just to help anyone out who thinks the download feature is broken, it’s not. The default is set to downgrade the quality which causes it to transcode. Change it to download at original quality and voila, works normally.
I wonder if they'll try to implement this to prevent their users from pirating media and using plex to share it.
I don't want to defend Plex but they have to maintain an appearance of fighting piracy because they're one lawsuit away from MPAA decimation. All they have to show is "Plex is a tool for piracy and _you_ _knew_ _it_ but did nothing to stop it".
@@mcpr5971_Sony v Universal_ is a pretty good precedent claiming otherwise. As long as Plex continues to be useful for sharing "Linux ISOs" they should be protected.
Technically plex can use the BitTorrent excuse, as all of the ‘pirate’ content isn’t even hosted by them at all, they’re just a ‘connect this to that’ service
@@mcpr5971 By that argument, VLC is also a tool for piracy. So is your web browser.