Can we FINALLY agree that the staff, for the St. Louis Cardinals, is NOT good? Can the Oli defenders finally admit that this is not working? Over the last two and a half months I've cooled on my complaints with Oli, Mo, Blake, etc. (except for DeWitt: I'm probably going to be pissed at him for a long time). Again, I've been trying to be a little more optimistic about our staff, and try to see if maybe we could continue the momentum we had been building, since Mother's day. I've even been starting to think that I was wrong about Oli and maybe Mo knew what he was doing after all. I really, really, REALLY have been trying to be open minded about our staff. But after this series, I'm done giving them more chances. Last night was an EMBARASMENT. Of course, the staff doesn't play the games; the players have to do that. But if they're never given consistency in a lineup, how are they supposed to catch fire? Oli went from a somewhat consistent lineup to playing matchups like his life depends on it. I'm tired of seeing scenarios where Winn is sitting because Crawford has a lifetime .281 average against this pitcher, or we leave Burleson off the starting lineup because a lefty is starting for the opposition. This is professional baseball, and these are (supposedly) MLB athletes! It is time to LET THE GUYS SUCCEED, OR FAIL, WITH CONSISTENCY! If we keep Gorman and Burly out of starting lineup, because of a lefty starter, how the f**k are they supposed to improve against lefties?! Are we supposed to just platoon/split EVERY lineup, for the next half decade?! If these guys are going to improve, or at least show that they won't improve, we won't know if we don't PLAY THEM everyday! Stop benching the guys that are supposed to showcase their talent, and let them DO THAT! Quite frankly, I'm done with this team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, "something, something, something, the season isn't over yet," I don't care. I'm still going to watch the games, but I am strictly going to watch and see if there is any hope for the next few years. So far, I'm not seeing a whole lot. Winn looks to be the real deal, Siani has been undervalued as a player (so of course he needs to get injured), Helsley has been great, and Contreras continues to drag this team with him, no matter how much they whine and protests. But what else is there? Burleson: Has been GREAT! But, because he doesn't profile well against lefties, we don't start him everyday anymore. F**king stupid decision. Let him play and see if he can get better!!!! Gorman: I am convinced he's a bust, and that we should have traded him at the end of the 22 season. Nootbaar: The second coming of O'Neil, and quite possibly the most overrated player I've seen in a long time. If he's REALLY that good, than why don't we utilize him to get an actually good stating pitcher? Like Gorman, I think we should have traded him in 22 (and I said so back then, only for people to come after me and say that I'm insane). Who's looking insane now?... Gray: He's fantastic... but a fantastic number two starter. To be fair, there are maybe ten pitchers that I would classify as legitimate number one starters in MLB these days, but Gray is not one of them. And that's fine! But we need to get him some back up, because having one pitcher at his level won't cut it. Gibson: Has thoroughly exceeded my expectations, I admit that. But he's also older, and we only have him for one more year. And what happens if he regresses? If he's our number 2 pitcher, we're screwed. Goldschmidt: It's been PAINFUL to watch him hit this year... Arenado: I don't blame him for being pissed off with this FO, but if this is how he's going to play for the next three or so years, than holy shit are we in trouble. Maybe some time-outs on the bench would put some fire back in him... Walker: Should be playing in the corner infield, and can't seem to hit anymore. Another prospect that it looks like we've screwed up. Wonderful. Herrera: We should seriously consider converting him to Firstbase. Arm strength is hard to train, and might never come through. I don't expect him to even come close to Yadi levels of greatness, but we can't have him and Pages throwing out 1 out of 43 attempted runners consistently. It's not a recipe for success. Pages: Pretty much Herrera, although he does seem weirdly more clutch at hitting. Still, we need to see what he's capable of so keep playing him and let's see. Baker: How many people even remember he's in our system? Also, how many of you know he's already 27? We never give him a fair amount of time to actually show what he's capable of, but given his track record, I'm inclined to believe he's a 4-A player. Hence, Hjerpe, Graceffo, and all of our pitching prospects: We've seen Graceffo do well, as well as McGreevy... So, naturally, we leave them in AA and AAA. WHY!!!??? We actually did well in their starts!!! I'd feel better with them on the mound than I would with Matz, Lynn, or Mikolas. Speaking of... Matz, Lynn, and Mikolas: Are there any fans of these guys out there? I mean serious, die-hard, "this is my guy," defenders of these guys? Apart from Jimmy "The Cat" Hayes, I haven's seen any for Lynn, and the other two I don't think I've seen any support! Lynn probably won't be picked up for next year, but we still have Matz and Mikolas for next year. Well, Mikolas we do. If Matz starts more than 10 games next year I'll be SHOCKED! Regardless, what does this mean our rotation is going to be? Gray, Gibson, Mikolas, Fedde, and Matz/[6 other guys who are clearly better, and deserver the spot, but won't get it because Mo and Oli are f**king stubborn and stupid about the lineup constructions?] Yeah... that doesn't inspire confidence in me. If you read this far, much appreciated! I know I'm far from the only person who's ranting online at this point... I'm so damn sick of this FO, and it's insistence on "The Cardinal way." Mo NEEDS TO GO! Oli, NEEDS TO GO! Blake, NEEDS TO GO! Ward, NEEDS TO GO! DeWitt, either needs to let the president of baseball operations have some money to work with, or sell the team to someone who actually wants to win a World Series again!
Add Bloom to your list to go, and take Marmol and his coaches off the list. The series in Cincy was clearly impacted by Mo's bad decision to call up Walker. That has nothing to do with Marmol and staff. Pham got benched one game, while Walher went 0-3 or 4 in the game. Would Pham have sat out without Mo telling Marmol to use Walker? I doubt it. Also your old-fashioned notion about consistent lineups being a problem, note that ALL MLB TEAMS now use lineups that change almost daily. Many teams win a high percent of games using lineup changes based on matchups. Much of what you wrote there I can agree with, to varying degrees. I too think Herrera should be working out at 1B. We need to find a place for him to be in the batting order. Catcher position doesn't look like his future, and Goldy might retire after one more season.
At this point everyone should be able to see an issue with the coaching staff. 3 seasons under Oli with no results. Teams slump and look horrible. Players leave and return to form. Pham and Fedde join the club and are now struggling. This is clearly not the Cardinal baseball I know and love.
@@Jbs98_ Tommy Pham’s splits with the White Sox .266/.330/.380/.710 with 5 HR, 20 XBH’s and 19 RBI across 271 AB’s Tommy Pham’s splits with the Cards .267/.327/.580/.838 with 2 HR, 6 XBH and 10 RBI across 45 AB’s. It’s WAY TOO EARLY to say whether or not Pham is struggling. You can’t determine that after 13 games…..but if you want to try and argue it….His OPS is 120 points higher with the Cards his slugging is 200 points higher and his rate stats HR/AB, XBH/AB are better. The only thing down is his OBP, but his slugging is up significantly….so is that a wash?? Let’s revisit this at the end of the year and see how they look….
You're totally ignoring Marmol won a Division title his first season as Manager (before Mozeliak began disrespecting players in contract negotiations and penny-pinching salaries). Your "with no results" comment is just plain falsehood. Also, Fedde had one bad game, he is not struggling. He isn't an ace pitcher, so don't put your expectations so high you'll never be satisfied by him. Nor is Pham struggling, no one hits .700 for a whole season, so you have to expect a few oh-fer-whatevers to balance that hot streak.
The Cards are an uninspired, boring bad team. Much a reflection of an uninspiring, bad manager. For some reason many want to give Oli a pass. He's truly one of the worst managers I've seen in years. Please go away Mo and Oli.
This guy gets mad when you point out Marmol. He's no major league coach and never will be. Send him, Ward and Blake packing! This experiment has failed now for two years.
Why did marmol get extension? How many hitting coaches has this team had in the last several years? How much influence do they have? Down by 8 runs and leadoff hitter Swings at first pitch? No one trying to hit to right With runners at 2nd, 3rd? No one can hit sac fly? Years of this. 4 right handers, one lefty In rotation. Grey only legitimate starter.
Too many of you think you know things you don't. Blaming a field Manager for this is the lame excuse that all front offices use, so they can hold onto their own jobs a bit longer when their decisions have lead to poor results. The REAL issue with the Cardinals is obviously Mozeliak and Bloom. They put this roster together. If any of you heard Carlson's interview after the trade and have the ability to read between the lines, he said it would be nice if positive responses were given more in StL. For those of you who can't translate, he was talking about salaries. Mo, his inability to evaluate talent and his handling of contracts is a big part of why StL is failing to perform.
@@rayrussell6258 The Cardinals pay people quite well… Nado, Goldy, Mikolas, Gray, Contreras, Matz, Lynn, Gibson…. Who are they not paying that deserves a raise and hasn’t earned it?
@@LockedOnCardinalsMLB JD, all those names were top line guys with broad reputations. I've looked at the players' salaries down the list, and we are NOT competitive with other teams' lower order daily lineup and backup players. It was before this season began that I last looked, but we had a lot of young talent being underpaid in comparison, because we had them locked in, they couldn't go to arbitration or leave in free agency. StL needs to pay talent what they are worth, BEFORE they have to. Reward good results sooner. Amend contracts, don't wait. The mindset that we have them locked in at a million per season when other teams are paying 2 million per season for the same level talent must go, under a new POBO. Bloom penny-pinched in Boston. Look what happened during his time there, and how much and quickly they've rebounded after he was fired, and a new philosophy was put in charge. They sank down to be a last-place team under Bloom, now are already making a move to be in playoffs if they get their pitchers back from injury. For a while, it looked like they might challenge the Orioles and Yankees for 1st place in that Division, until injuries came up. Our players saw that losing penny-pinching reputation (Bloom) hired to come to StL, maybe as Mo's replacement if he retires, and why should they be motivated? The best thing StL could do right now is give Burleson a raise for his performance. I mean right now! It would light some fires in that clubhouse.
I don’t personally see “quitting” so much as “complete inability to play well.” I believe they want to do better - they just can’t. I don’t think this is as much a coaching problem as it is a lack of talent, something that can only be solved by getting *different players*! This will take years to solve, even *if* they actually get rid of Mo, which I don’t think will actually happen.
Ryan, you are absolutely right in your comment. It's good to finally see someone focus on the right issue. It's 100% on Mo and Bloom, their roster and salary negotiating deficiencies. Most clueless fans want to automatically blame the field Manager and staff. That mentality needs to change. It allows people like Mo and Bloom to keep high-paying jobs that they don't deserve.
JD, I think your negativity is getting too broad and borderline out-of-control. Focus solely on Mo and Bloom's failures, if you truly want StL to improve and turn things around. Those two penny-pinchers need to go. Carlson said after his trade that it would be nice to get more positive comments in StL. That was "code" for the player's dissatisfaction with the front office and salary negotiating. The clubhouse is happy with Marmol and staff, and publicly said so. That is not true regarding Mo and Bloom.
They need to stop letting the pitcher call their own games. Contreras and Pages are paid a lot of money and they have a better handle on the calls. The also need the pitchers to stop having one terrible inning which screws up the game.
Thanks Mo, for putting such a fantastic team together......yeah a coaching staff that doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground and a minor league manager who needs to be returned back there and some overpaid, underachieving clowns called "players" ...yep you have completely destroyed a winning Cardinal tradition !!
Keep your wrath and focus on Mo and Bloom. Leave "coaching staff" out of it. In your personal job, would you be OK with being blamed and fired, when your company loses money. No? Then why do you shade coaches who just do what they can with the roster Mo and Bloom gave them that is too old and lacking enough real talent?
If there was ever evidence how FUNDAMENTALLY BAD this team is it was last night! In one inning you had four player's handle the baseball like it was a damn hand grenade! How much longer does it take to see this team has no damn coaching? Offensively and Defensively a joke!
there is no connection between coaching and a player making an error, Robert. Sheesh, such red-herring cluelessness! They field balls in workouts and practice time more than what you see in a game. The coaching is fine. The roster Mo puts together is another matter, and when players see the talent on the team roster isn't up to the level it needs to be, then there will be some gaps in concentration that turn into errors. Stop blaming Marmol and coaches, put full blame on Mo and Bloom if you truly want the Cardinals to improve.
Yeah Rooney, Horton and Edmunds I really like Jimmies Knowledge..anyways Skip kept saying well it was 2 outs with the bases loaded but I think Pages hit into a double play with 1 out...ok seeya⚾️🏆
It's child's play people. They quit on me ... I quit on them , I find other things to do. I'll return when Mozeliak, Girsch , Marmol , Blake and Ward are gone. Til then I'll tune into to Padre game , I'm not a Padres fan , but Shildt gives me better entertainment value. And it's all about being entertained.
I ended up watching the brewers/dodgers… even though LA lost 5-4 Freeman had 3 hits (.291) Betts 2 hits (.310) Cardinals LOB: 19 (nine-fkn teen) the only 2 who didn’t leave anybody on base (Contreras and Pham) and neither one had a hit.
Lol... I hear ya , I spent 4 yrs in the service Marines 3 yrs on pendleton. Did a lot of military training San Diego over 3 yrs so , watch the Padres isn't bad for me. Especially being managed by Shildt. He will be a great baseball manager that'll haunt the Cardinal for a long time. LA ... I cannot watch I hate the place. Drove OTR semi 35 yrs been to LA 30 to 40 times. Politically got no use for LA , Seattle, twin cities , Chicago, NYC oh and Beautiful Twin Fall Idaho, all lefty extreme run sanctuaries.
I watched Eli Dela Cruz in one game take a walk. STOLE SECOND AND THIRD! Then score on a wild pitch because he was in the pitcher's head! That's entertaining! Sadly, I remember when we had players that did that. Manufacturing a run......That concept is the moon to Marmol. 😑👈
That episode was painful to start with, but ended up GREAT! That's a great game you came up with Jeff! JD, you should play that game in your cross-overs, too!
JD, it does appear that they have mentally thrown in the towel. You have to look to who is running the show. Mo and Ollie and their "indecision" process. Walker should not have been brought up. He was starting to put it together at Triple A and should have been left alone. To bring him up and then after one game sit him down shows that they don't know what they are doing. It also confused the position players who did not indecision. Ollie and Mo need to go! Mr.Stingy is not going anywhere which makes me wonder if this thought process will ever change. A change in philosophy has to happen. Remember when the got rid of Mike Schildt after a 17 game win streak for "philosophical differences"? This "new" thought process began there and has brought the Cardinals to where they now are now. 🤮 The Chaim Bloom and Skip Shoemaker Era needs to begin, but will Mr. Stingy back off and give them a free hand to turn this disaster around. The mental depression has to stop. Players that have proven that they can't hit and can't pitch and are over the hill need to go. They have several pitchers and position players at Triple A that need to be brought up and allowed to play every day, not sit on the bench. JD, I love your choices. That would be a killer rotation! At this point we can only dream. We also need a catcher who can be a field general, throw out runners and bring out the best in the pitching staff. Thanks JD.
Bloom is "Mr Stingy" and he will continue the losing. He failed miserably in Boston, mainly because he could not get players to sign new contracts and stay in Boston. Your "confidence" in Bloom is misplaced. We need someone like Pujols to take over the front office, not Bloom. And Pujols has publicly supported Marmol. I think Pujols is right.
@@billbayes3261 Very likely because he's still a terrible defender, and he strikes out too often because he can't adjust to changes of speed. He played most of the games this week and so far is 1-11 since the call-up. That's not good enough to be an everyday player, keeping our other outfielders out of the lineup. I seldom agree with Mo, but I think this time he's giving Walker an audition for a trade in the off-season. They will only play him against pitchers they think he can hit, to max his trade value. He will only play more if the Cardinals fall completely out of wild card contention. Walker's time remaining in StL is very short. Don't worry about him.
@@scott2726 He's had enough time "to learn". It's time to deliver results, and he doesn't. MLB players EARN playing time, they don't get to keep failing and hurting the team. Walker is 1-11 this week, since the call-up. That's not good enough to be an everyday player.
Yup. But, apparently I'm just a hater... Unlike the FO and coaching staff, I'm using my own two eyes. And what I'm seeing is NOT looking good! It's feeling like 2023, but with a SLIGHT (I repeat) SLIGHT improvement here and there.
10 hits generated 2 runs….. If you can’t score runs in Cincinnati, where can you score runs. This series had 2023 feels. Team gets behind early because the starters gave up too many long balls and then the team morale flattens out and the game was essentially over. Is this short term? Who knows. That really depends on the guys in the dugout looking within and figuring out if there’s any fight. The past 3 games…..They didn’t show any fight….They looked defeated…..
It's the perfect time to just go to sleep on this team. I assume going into next year they will just play the chips again and not fire a soul this will be like this for many years to come.
Sorry we all like the long ball but come on people hit the ball where is pitched low outside goes to right field you pull the ball on it becomes a weak ground ball or pop up
Not to mention that stellar, Gold-Glove defense... Arenado is putting as much effort into playing as a fat man does picking a donut off the floor, these days.
After the 2020 debauchery I checked out. Like Mark Mcguire and Sammy Sosa, Albert Pujols brought me back when he returned and broke 700 Homeruns at 42 year's old! That and Yadi's last year......This is not Cardinals baseball.
Dude, Pujols will always be my favorite player. Him coming back and getting to 700 was the most fun I've had watching this team since 2018. Five of the last six seasons have been a continual decline in quality, morale, and general attempts to win. The run of 21 was fun, but that gets overshadowed by Schildt's firing (which was complete B.S.).
@@boschlosser10 it was 10 years I think, and a part of that already served, but since the Angels let him go to free agency when StL signed him that season, they might not hold him to all of it if he requests that. All StL would have to do to get Pujols to request a release is pay him more than the Angels are.
I really don't want to see the cardinals do any better this year. Love this franchise. I fear that if they somehow snuck into the playoffs, regardless of the outcome, the org. would consider it a win. They would have done what they set out to accomplish. Nothing would change and it definitely needs too.
I got to say it publicly. Fire Mozeliak and find anyone with a simple philosophy ... Play to your strengths , with a purpose to not bore the baseball world into a coma.
I wonder is indicative of anythank when cardinals fans are actually rooting for other teams who are normally ravels? That may sound Far fetched and crazy but honestly as a cardinals fan I am at the point of rooting against them And hopes of somehow I Something miraculous happens In the off season like a total house , cleaning and butt kicking in the front Office so that There is eventually change for the better.
We will be in STL in a few weeks had planned on seeing two games but we’re opting not to spend our money on a team that’s out off contention. After the next two weeks they will be so far back that even you guys will have to admit they are done. You definitely pump them up to be more than they are and maybe would be with better leadership and not a T ball manager
For the sake of our future I hope we don't make the playoffs. Another year of barely making it in or almost being in at the wire will just perpetuate this be cheap and make no changes mentality within the organization. Oli needed to go last year, should have kept Shildt.
change the Manager, keep Mozeliak, we will see worse results, not better ones. Marmol needs to be allowed one more season under a different POBO, so he can actually manage without Mo calling all the shots.
NO THEY DID NOT! The Cardinals playoff chances they never had a chance before the season started. But if you want to PINPOINT ONE DAY it was the TRADE DEADELINE. YOU APPLAUDED the trade for lower class Fedde. THAT SINGLE DAY was the final knife in the back. FIX THE OFFENSE: KEEP TOMMY no instead you trade his salary for FEDDE salary a terrible pitcher who was booted from MLB last year. The Cardinals should have KEPT TOMMY - and made a SERIOUS RUN at a TOP shelf pitcher and a BIG outfielder. They failed and clearly they didn't because THEY KNEW they had no chance so why give away prospects for a hope and prayer. KUDOS to MO its one of the smart moves he did make... but what he should have done is TRADED ANYONE and EVERYONE someone wanted. We'll regret that down the road.
For the third year I say Oli and Mo gotta GO!!! This team has quietly quit on Oli every year he has been the Manager. Mo has turned a consistent contender with a farm system next to none into a league embarrassment. Nice moves ownership!
Only 3 or 4 games better than 23 . Bill D III needs to say farewell to Mozeliak and Girsch. Then appoint Bloom to GM to clean the dugout out. They're so bad they don't need a President of baseball ops. That can wait.
I don't have much faith in Girsh or Bloom. Their all cut from the same "Analytics" cloth that's ruined this team. Get us some seasoned baseball personnel with "Baseball Minds". Terry Francona and Joe Madden are just sitting out there right now. All this "Launch Angle / Exit Velocity" crap is for bean counters.....Not baseball players.
@@robertcrist5747 I recently saw an interview of Joe Madden about his book. He said he'd love to manage again. It's the first time I listened to more than a soundbite with Madden, and I was impressed. He's a baseball guy, and a very intelligent man. I'm going to read his book. But he also mentioned not wanting too much interference from the front office. So, I guess you can cross him off any list of possible future Cardinal managers.
Mo' is Toast !! Full scale gutting of the Front Office. Everything will be changed!! The Dim Witts will finally allow the Cardinals to start from scratch.
Even if they don't snap out of this funk, at least they didn't mortgage the future in order to achieve this. They also have Fedde for another season, which is one less hole to plug in the off-season.
@scottcoleman9710 Even if that's all he ends up being, he comes in at under $3M next season. Considering how bad StL has been at developing consistent rotation pitchers, that's a bargain.
@@burntorangehorn Don't disagree with that, just commenting some people had the misguided opinion he is something more than that. He's very much like what we already have. At $7.5 million he is a cost effective starter.
@@scottcoleman9710 Yeah. If you look at our rotation objectively, we've got a number 2 starter, two number 3's, and a bunch of 5's/backups... 1. Gray: A guy who is a solid pitcher, but honestly profiles more as a top-end number two starter. To me, a number one starter is someone like Galen, Strider, or Cole. Gray is clearly a step below them, most of the time, and will occasionally punch above his weight, but that's not really a problem. If we had two guys like him, it would be acceptable. The problem is that behind him we have... 2. Gibson: The guys has surpassed all my expectations this year. I'm glad he's here. But his career would say that, especially at this point, he's at best a number three starter, and more likely a number four. It happens to everybody. He should have guys in front of him who are better, but he doesn't. That's not his fault. 3. Fedde: Eh... He's capable of being a number 3 starter, but I think you're feeling better if he's your number 4. 4. Mikolas: He's been up and down in quality, but now it's been primarily downs. If he's your number 5 starter, I don't think you'd be complaining too much. But, like all the guys ahead of him, he's being thrust into a higher tier of pitcher, since St. Louis is, apparently, incapable of developing quality starters. 5a. Lynn: If he had not pitched in St. Louis before this season, there is no way we would have resigned him. Also, to me, he's a number 6 starter. He should be taking the high-road and accepting stints in the bullpen, but apparently that's beneath him. 5b. Pallante: I could see him panning out as a number 3 starter, if he were given the time to do so. But, since we're on the books for too many aging, injury-prone, nostalgic signings, the odds of Pallante being given this chance is not good. 5c. Matz: If he would stay in the bullpen, I think people would just be mad about how much his contract is eating up on our year-to-year salary. He's good in the bullpen, but he's a roulette wheel of quality as a starter, and with how consistently he's injured, penciling him in as a starter is insanity. 5d. Libertore: For the love of God, just leave him in the bullpen! He's had success there, and if we can at least have a long relief guy that we can call on every few days, it's not a complete waste of talent. 5e. Thompson: Last I checked he's still in Memphis, and not doing all that well. I wonder if he's going to be the second coming of Dakota Hudson, where he gets DFA'd in a year or two.
Mediocre Marmol. I wish management could have met in the middle & kept Mike Shildt. The "Philosophical Differences" reasoning seems hollow these days. Now, the Cardinals seem stuck on a treadmill to nowhere.
“Dead team walking.” Apt description. Trainwreck city. Shame. Happy for the Cincy fans. Frustrating time to be a Cardinals fan. Continually embarrassed and dismayed at, well, everything.
Wat a shame a below 500 team again after wrkn so hard to get up to 7 game's over 500 the glaring need is a superstar or 2 we dont have it they need to get another one nxt yr or n the future goldy will b off the books we gtta get another superstar bat n the lineup and this pitching staff is to mediocre and average I still can't believe we didn't get the ace garret crouchet fir jorden walker who Chicago wntd he should b playing now while up and they got him on the bench dnt make sense so it don't appear there really high on him y not of made the trade we needed an ace mcgreevy deserved another start or 2 also he had momentum this organization is sad they do everything wrong I swear and I told ya noot should of been traded instead of edman who's a way bttr hitter noot can't hit were done by nxt wk we will b 8 or 10 game's out of wildcard race then we can stick a fork n it we should of got schumaker as mgr instead of oli if we had to get rid of shildt who had success an had the best pitching coach Maddux they let these guys go for cheaper minor league level coaches gave O'Neil away he's raked there a dumb organization these days !!
All you gotta do is throw 82 mile for hour change up or curve nobody in the cardinals lineup can hit it the have the blue print on the cardinals arenado and goldsmith is garbage we suck reds are nothing but they are better than us
Can we FINALLY agree that the staff, for the St. Louis Cardinals, is NOT good? Can the Oli defenders finally admit that this is not working?
Over the last two and a half months I've cooled on my complaints with Oli, Mo, Blake, etc. (except for DeWitt: I'm probably going to be pissed at him for a long time). Again, I've been trying to be a little more optimistic about our staff, and try to see if maybe we could continue the momentum we had been building, since Mother's day. I've even been starting to think that I was wrong about Oli and maybe Mo knew what he was doing after all. I really, really, REALLY have been trying to be open minded about our staff. But after this series, I'm done giving them more chances. Last night was an EMBARASMENT.
Of course, the staff doesn't play the games; the players have to do that. But if they're never given consistency in a lineup, how are they supposed to catch fire? Oli went from a somewhat consistent lineup to playing matchups like his life depends on it. I'm tired of seeing scenarios where Winn is sitting because Crawford has a lifetime .281 average against this pitcher, or we leave Burleson off the starting lineup because a lefty is starting for the opposition. This is professional baseball, and these are (supposedly) MLB athletes! It is time to LET THE GUYS SUCCEED, OR FAIL, WITH CONSISTENCY! If we keep Gorman and Burly out of starting lineup, because of a lefty starter, how the f**k are they supposed to improve against lefties?! Are we supposed to just platoon/split EVERY lineup, for the next half decade?! If these guys are going to improve, or at least show that they won't improve, we won't know if we don't PLAY THEM everyday! Stop benching the guys that are supposed to showcase their talent, and let them DO THAT!
Quite frankly, I'm done with this team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, "something, something, something, the season isn't over yet," I don't care. I'm still going to watch the games, but I am strictly going to watch and see if there is any hope for the next few years. So far, I'm not seeing a whole lot. Winn looks to be the real deal, Siani has been undervalued as a player (so of course he needs to get injured), Helsley has been great, and Contreras continues to drag this team with him, no matter how much they whine and protests. But what else is there?
Burleson: Has been GREAT! But, because he doesn't profile well against lefties, we don't start him everyday anymore. F**king stupid decision. Let him play and see if he can get better!!!!
Gorman: I am convinced he's a bust, and that we should have traded him at the end of the 22 season.
Nootbaar: The second coming of O'Neil, and quite possibly the most overrated player I've seen in a long time. If he's REALLY that good, than why don't we utilize him to get an actually good stating pitcher? Like Gorman, I think we should have traded him in 22 (and I said so back then, only for people to come after me and say that I'm insane). Who's looking insane now?...
Gray: He's fantastic... but a fantastic number two starter. To be fair, there are maybe ten pitchers that I would classify as legitimate number one starters in MLB these days, but Gray is not one of them. And that's fine! But we need to get him some back up, because having one pitcher at his level won't cut it.
Gibson: Has thoroughly exceeded my expectations, I admit that. But he's also older, and we only have him for one more year. And what happens if he regresses? If he's our number 2 pitcher, we're screwed.
Goldschmidt: It's been PAINFUL to watch him hit this year...
Arenado: I don't blame him for being pissed off with this FO, but if this is how he's going to play for the next three or so years, than holy shit are we in trouble. Maybe some time-outs on the bench would put some fire back in him...
Walker: Should be playing in the corner infield, and can't seem to hit anymore. Another prospect that it looks like we've screwed up. Wonderful.
Herrera: We should seriously consider converting him to Firstbase. Arm strength is hard to train, and might never come through. I don't expect him to even come close to Yadi levels of greatness, but we can't have him and Pages throwing out 1 out of 43 attempted runners consistently. It's not a recipe for success.
Pages: Pretty much Herrera, although he does seem weirdly more clutch at hitting. Still, we need to see what he's capable of so keep playing him and let's see.
Baker: How many people even remember he's in our system? Also, how many of you know he's already 27? We never give him a fair amount of time to actually show what he's capable of, but given his track record, I'm inclined to believe he's a 4-A player.
Hence, Hjerpe, Graceffo, and all of our pitching prospects: We've seen Graceffo do well, as well as McGreevy... So, naturally, we leave them in AA and AAA. WHY!!!??? We actually did well in their starts!!! I'd feel better with them on the mound than I would with Matz, Lynn, or Mikolas. Speaking of...
Matz, Lynn, and Mikolas: Are there any fans of these guys out there? I mean serious, die-hard, "this is my guy," defenders of these guys? Apart from Jimmy "The Cat" Hayes, I haven's seen any for Lynn, and the other two I don't think I've seen any support! Lynn probably won't be picked up for next year, but we still have Matz and Mikolas for next year. Well, Mikolas we do. If Matz starts more than 10 games next year I'll be SHOCKED! Regardless, what does this mean our rotation is going to be? Gray, Gibson, Mikolas, Fedde, and Matz/[6 other guys who are clearly better, and deserver the spot, but won't get it because Mo and Oli are f**king stubborn and stupid about the lineup constructions?] Yeah... that doesn't inspire confidence in me.
If you read this far, much appreciated! I know I'm far from the only person who's ranting online at this point... I'm so damn sick of this FO, and it's insistence on "The Cardinal way."
Mo NEEDS TO GO!
Oli, NEEDS TO GO!
Blake, NEEDS TO GO!
Ward, NEEDS TO GO!
DeWitt, either needs to let the president of baseball operations have some money to work with, or sell the team to someone who actually wants to win a World Series again!
Add Bloom to your list to go, and take Marmol and his coaches off the list. The series in Cincy was clearly impacted by Mo's bad decision to call up Walker. That has nothing to do with Marmol and staff. Pham got benched one game, while Walher went 0-3 or 4 in the game. Would Pham have sat out without Mo telling Marmol to use Walker? I doubt it.
Also your old-fashioned notion about consistent lineups being a problem, note that ALL MLB TEAMS now use lineups that change almost daily. Many teams win a high percent of games using lineup changes based on matchups.
Much of what you wrote there I can agree with, to varying degrees. I too think Herrera should be working out at 1B. We need to find a place for him to be in the batting order. Catcher position doesn't look like his future, and Goldy might retire after one more season.
At this point everyone should be able to see an issue with the coaching staff. 3 seasons under Oli with no results. Teams slump and look horrible. Players leave and return to form. Pham and Fedde join the club and are now struggling. This is clearly not the Cardinal baseball I know and love.
From "The Cardinal Way" to "Lolly Ball 2024". 😑👈
@@Jbs98_ Tommy Pham’s splits with the White Sox .266/.330/.380/.710 with 5 HR, 20 XBH’s and 19 RBI across 271 AB’s
Tommy Pham’s splits with the Cards .267/.327/.580/.838 with 2 HR, 6 XBH and 10 RBI across 45 AB’s.
It’s WAY TOO EARLY to say whether or not Pham is struggling. You can’t determine that after 13 games…..but if you want to try and argue it….His OPS is 120 points higher with the Cards his slugging is 200 points higher and his rate stats HR/AB, XBH/AB are better. The only thing down is his OBP, but his slugging is up significantly….so is that a wash??
Let’s revisit this at the end of the year and see how they look….
You're totally ignoring Marmol won a Division title his first season as Manager (before Mozeliak began disrespecting players in contract negotiations and penny-pinching salaries). Your "with no results" comment is just plain falsehood.
Also, Fedde had one bad game, he is not struggling. He isn't an ace pitcher, so don't put your expectations so high you'll never be satisfied by him. Nor is Pham struggling, no one hits .700 for a whole season, so you have to expect a few oh-fer-whatevers to balance that hot streak.
The Cards are an uninspired, boring bad team. Much a reflection of an uninspiring, bad manager. For some reason many want to give Oli a pass. He's truly one of the worst managers I've seen in years. Please go away Mo and Oli.
This guy gets mad when you point out Marmol. He's no major league coach and never will be. Send him, Ward and Blake packing! This experiment has failed now for two years.
Why did marmol get extension?
How many hitting coaches has this team had in the last several years?
How much influence do they have?
Down by 8 runs and leadoff hitter
Swings at first pitch?
No one trying to hit to right
With runners at 2nd, 3rd?
No one can hit sac fly?
Years of this.
4 right handers, one lefty
In rotation.
Grey only legitimate starter.
Too many of you think you know things you don't. Blaming a field Manager for this is the lame excuse that all front offices use, so they can hold onto their own jobs a bit longer when their decisions have lead to poor results. The REAL issue with the Cardinals is obviously Mozeliak and Bloom. They put this roster together.
If any of you heard Carlson's interview after the trade and have the ability to read between the lines, he said it would be nice if positive responses were given more in StL. For those of you who can't translate, he was talking about salaries. Mo, his inability to evaluate talent and his handling of contracts is a big part of why StL is failing to perform.
@@rayrussell6258 The Cardinals pay people quite well… Nado, Goldy, Mikolas, Gray, Contreras, Matz, Lynn, Gibson…. Who are they not paying that deserves a raise and hasn’t earned it?
@@LockedOnCardinalsMLB JD, all those names were top line guys with broad reputations. I've looked at the players' salaries down the list, and we are NOT competitive with other teams' lower order daily lineup and backup players.
It was before this season began that I last looked, but we had a lot of young talent being underpaid in comparison, because we had them locked in, they couldn't go to arbitration or leave in free agency.
StL needs to pay talent what they are worth, BEFORE they have to. Reward good results sooner. Amend contracts, don't wait.
The mindset that we have them locked in at a million per season when other teams are paying 2 million per season for the same level talent must go, under a new POBO.
Bloom penny-pinched in Boston. Look what happened during his time there, and how much and quickly they've rebounded after he was fired, and a new philosophy was put in charge. They sank down to be a last-place team under Bloom, now are already making a move to be in playoffs if they get their pitchers back from injury. For a while, it looked like they might challenge the Orioles and Yankees for 1st place in that Division, until injuries came up.
Our players saw that losing penny-pinching reputation (Bloom) hired to come to StL, maybe as Mo's replacement if he retires, and why should they be motivated?
The best thing StL could do right now is give Burleson a raise for his performance. I mean right now! It would light some fires in that clubhouse.
I don’t personally see “quitting” so much as “complete inability to play well.” I believe they want to do better - they just can’t. I don’t think this is as much a coaching problem as it is a lack of talent, something that can only be solved by getting *different players*! This will take years to solve, even *if* they actually get rid of Mo, which I don’t think will actually happen.
Ryan, you are absolutely right in your comment. It's good to finally see someone focus on the right issue. It's 100% on Mo and Bloom, their roster and salary negotiating deficiencies.
Most clueless fans want to automatically blame the field Manager and staff. That mentality needs to change. It allows people like Mo and Bloom to keep high-paying jobs that they don't deserve.
JD, I think your negativity is getting too broad and borderline out-of-control.
Focus solely on Mo and Bloom's failures, if you truly want StL to improve and turn things around. Those two penny-pinchers need to go.
Carlson said after his trade that it would be nice to get more positive comments in StL. That was "code" for the player's dissatisfaction with the front office and salary negotiating.
The clubhouse is happy with Marmol and staff, and publicly said so. That is not true regarding Mo and Bloom.
They need to stop letting the pitcher call their own games. Contreras and Pages are paid a lot of money and they have a better handle on the calls. The also need the pitchers to stop having one terrible inning which screws up the game.
Thanks Mo, for putting such a fantastic team together......yeah a coaching staff that doesn't know their butt from a hole in the ground and a minor league manager who needs to be returned back there and some overpaid, underachieving clowns called "players" ...yep you have completely destroyed a winning Cardinal tradition !!
Keep your wrath and focus on Mo and Bloom. Leave "coaching staff" out of it.
In your personal job, would you be OK with being blamed and fired, when your company loses money. No?
Then why do you shade coaches who just do what they can with the roster Mo and Bloom gave them that is too old and lacking enough real talent?
If there was ever evidence how FUNDAMENTALLY BAD this team is it was last night! In one inning you had four player's handle the baseball like it was a damn hand grenade! How much longer does it take to see this team has no damn coaching? Offensively and Defensively a joke!
And sir, we have been saying it since spring training
@@ACErob-me9ss Hell, I've been saying it since early 2023! (The starting rotation I've been bitching about since the start of the 21 season).
@andrewhoffman1087 yep, I can also agree to that myself
there is no connection between coaching and a player making an error, Robert. Sheesh, such red-herring cluelessness!
They field balls in workouts and practice time more than what you see in a game. The coaching is fine.
The roster Mo puts together is another matter, and when players see the talent on the team roster isn't up to the level it needs to be, then there will be some gaps in concentration that turn into errors. Stop blaming Marmol and coaches, put full blame on Mo and Bloom if you truly want the Cardinals to improve.
Hub kittle would b shitting his pants 👖 😂😅
Im still turning on Rooney and Horton....but yesterday felt like it ended the yr. See yall next spring.
Yeah Rooney, Horton and Edmunds I really like Jimmies Knowledge..anyways Skip kept saying well it was 2 outs with the bases loaded but I think Pages hit into a double play with 1 out...ok seeya⚾️🏆
It's child's play people.
They quit on me ...
I quit on them , I find other things to do.
I'll return when Mozeliak, Girsch , Marmol , Blake and Ward are gone.
Til then I'll tune into to Padre game , I'm not a Padres fan , but Shildt gives me better entertainment value.
And it's all about being entertained.
I ended up watching the brewers/dodgers… even though LA lost 5-4 Freeman had 3 hits (.291) Betts 2 hits (.310) Cardinals LOB: 19 (nine-fkn teen) the only 2 who didn’t leave anybody on base (Contreras and Pham) and neither one had a hit.
Lol... I hear ya , I spent 4 yrs in the service Marines 3 yrs on pendleton. Did a lot of military training San Diego over 3 yrs so , watch the Padres isn't bad for me. Especially being managed by Shildt. He will be a great baseball manager that'll haunt the Cardinal for a long time. LA ... I cannot watch I hate the place. Drove OTR semi 35 yrs been to LA 30 to 40 times. Politically got no use for LA , Seattle, twin cities , Chicago, NYC oh and Beautiful Twin Fall Idaho, all lefty extreme run sanctuaries.
Shame about twin falls too. Absolute beautiful town snake river run through it. Breathtaking scenery.
I watched Eli Dela Cruz in one game take a walk. STOLE SECOND AND THIRD! Then score on a wild pitch because he was in the pitcher's head! That's entertaining! Sadly, I remember when we had players that did that. Manufacturing a run......That concept is the moon to Marmol. 😑👈
Thank you for your service! Semper Fi ! 🇺🇸
Fire mo
........Alone with Marmol, Blake and Ward! Get em gone!
That episode was painful to start with, but ended up GREAT! That's a great game you came up with Jeff! JD, you should play that game in your cross-overs, too!
WOW! That Jonathan India guy had a game didn't he?!?!.......Rusty Rake could not be reached for comment.
Yes he did but they did lose every game to Milwaukee
The Cardinal’s management has forced happy smoke up the backside of Cardinal fan for the past three years… clean house with the coaching staff and GM.
The ownership needs to sell the team. They've adopted the Busch business model of the early 90's.
We need one of them mike shildt 17 game winning streaks 😂😂😂 his team will be 17 games over .500 after tomorrow night
How many days until spring training……………2027?
Dewitt needs to clean house
The DeWitts need to step up too and spend more
The DeWits are the ones that started the problem
He needs to clean house including himself
They won’t. Either Mo steps down on his own or nothing changes for next year.
JD, it does appear that they have mentally thrown in the towel. You have to look to who is running the show. Mo and Ollie and their "indecision" process.
Walker should not have been brought up. He was starting to put it together at Triple A and should have been left alone. To bring him up and then after one game sit him down shows that they don't know what they are doing. It also confused the position players who did not indecision.
Ollie and Mo need to go! Mr.Stingy is not going anywhere which makes me wonder if this thought process will ever change. A change in philosophy has to happen. Remember when the got rid of Mike Schildt after a 17 game win streak for "philosophical differences"? This "new" thought process began there and has brought the Cardinals to where they now are now. 🤮
The Chaim Bloom and Skip Shoemaker Era needs to begin, but will Mr. Stingy back off and give them a free hand to turn this disaster around. The mental depression has to stop. Players that have proven that they can't hit and can't pitch and are over the hill need to go. They have several pitchers and position players at Triple A that need to be brought up and allowed to play every day, not sit on the bench.
JD, I love your choices. That would be a killer rotation! At this point we can only dream.
We also need a catcher who can be a field general, throw out runners and bring out the best in the pitching staff.
Thanks JD.
Bloom is "Mr Stingy" and he will continue the losing. He failed miserably in Boston, mainly because he could not get players to sign new contracts and stay in Boston.
Your "confidence" in Bloom is misplaced.
We need someone like Pujols to take over the front office, not Bloom. And Pujols has publicly supported Marmol. I think Pujols is right.
I'm worried again how they will handle Jordan..you can't spot start him..he needs to learn major league pitching not just half of it.
@@scott2726 You see it, I see it and most of all the people here see it. So why don't Mo and Ollie see it?
@@billbayes3261 Very likely because he's still a terrible defender, and he strikes out too often because he can't adjust to changes of speed. He played most of the games this week and so far is 1-11 since the call-up. That's not good enough to be an everyday player, keeping our other outfielders out of the lineup.
I seldom agree with Mo, but I think this time he's giving Walker an audition for a trade in the off-season. They will only play him against pitchers they think he can hit, to max his trade value. He will only play more if the Cardinals fall completely out of wild card contention.
Walker's time remaining in StL is very short. Don't worry about him.
@@scott2726 He's had enough time "to learn".
It's time to deliver results, and he doesn't.
MLB players EARN playing time, they don't get to keep failing and hurting the team.
Walker is 1-11 this week, since the call-up. That's not good enough to be an everyday player.
I think Fedde and Pham didn’t completely wash off the White Sox stink before joining our clubhouse
Their season was over after the first week of the season. As the funny Herm Edwards once said: "They are who we thought they were."
Yup. But, apparently I'm just a hater...
Unlike the FO and coaching staff, I'm using my own two eyes. And what I'm seeing is NOT looking good! It's feeling like 2023, but with a SLIGHT (I repeat) SLIGHT improvement here and there.
10 hits generated 2 runs…..
If you can’t score runs in Cincinnati, where can you score runs.
This series had 2023 feels. Team gets behind early because the starters gave up too many long balls and then the team morale flattens out and the game was essentially over.
Is this short term? Who knows. That really depends on the guys in the dugout looking within and figuring out if there’s any fight.
The past 3 games…..They didn’t show any fight….They looked defeated…..
Exactly the same as last year.....Same old Marmol Kool-aid.
@@robertcrist5747 yeah yeah yeah .... same old Robert blaming the wrong guy.
The birds are done there is no coming back this yr get rid of oli,mo,Gorman
I said at the beginning of the year what would happen, and now we have "Dead birds on the bat!" 👎😡
Birdbrains of Baseball
"Pigeons on the Stick!"
Where's the spark? Where's the winning spirit? Where's Yadi???
Gone gone gone
It's the perfect time to just go to sleep on this team. I assume going into next year they will just play the chips again and not fire a soul this will be like this for many years to come.
Sorry we all like the long ball but come on people hit the ball where is pitched low outside goes to right field you pull the ball on it becomes a weak ground ball or pop up
Little too happy for me...piss off!
We still have 40 games left .
Best gm in baseball.
Dominant Sp ..
Explosive Bats.
Awesome pen..
LFG .
😁🤣😆🤣😁👍🤭
Not to mention that stellar, Gold-Glove defense... Arenado is putting as much effort into playing as a fat man does picking a donut off the floor, these days.
I miss pujols... so so so much
After the 2020 debauchery I checked out. Like Mark Mcguire and Sammy Sosa, Albert Pujols brought me back when he returned and broke 700 Homeruns at 42 year's old! That and Yadi's last year......This is not Cardinals baseball.
Dude, Pujols will always be my favorite player. Him coming back and getting to 700 was the most fun I've had watching this team since 2018.
Five of the last six seasons have been a continual decline in quality, morale, and general attempts to win. The run of 21 was fun, but that gets overshadowed by Schildt's firing (which was complete B.S.).
Truthfully, DeWitts should hire Pujols to be POBO, and fire Mo and Bloom.
The morale in StL will immediately improve.
I think Pujols still under angles contract
@@boschlosser10 it was 10 years I think, and a part of that already served, but since the Angels let him go to free agency when StL signed him that season, they might not hold him to all of it if he requests that. All StL would have to do to get Pujols to request a release is pay him more than the Angels are.
They are going to be fighting for a place in the cellar, then you can call them the "cellar dwellers!"
I really don't want to see the cardinals do any better this year. Love this franchise. I fear that if they somehow snuck into the playoffs, regardless of the outcome, the org. would consider it a win. They would have done what they set out to accomplish. Nothing would change and it definitely needs too.
I got to say it publicly.
Fire Mozeliak and find anyone with a simple philosophy ...
Play to your strengths , with a purpose to not bore the baseball world into a coma.
I wonder is indicative of anythank when cardinals fans are actually rooting for other teams who are normally ravels? That may sound Far fetched and crazy but honestly as a cardinals fan I am at the point of rooting against them And hopes of somehow I Something miraculous happens In the off season like a total house , cleaning and butt kicking in the front Office so that There is eventually change for the better.
I'll root for ANYTHING that gets rid of his failure of a coaching staff.
Not a good day to do a crossover bud lol
Kind of hard to take seriously from a grown man in "Marvel's" shirt?
Nice job, gentlemen, and let's go blues
NO THEY DID NOT MO and DEWITT killed their chances the writing has been on the wall for months. C’mon now!
We will be in STL in a few weeks had planned on seeing two games but we’re opting not to spend our money on a team that’s out off contention. After the next two weeks they will be so far back that even you guys will have to admit they are done. You definitely pump them up to be more than they are and maybe would be with better leadership and not a T ball manager
We're done can't hit drive in runs
For the sake of our future I hope we don't make the playoffs. Another year of barely making it in or almost being in at the wire will just perpetuate this be cheap and make no changes mentality within the organization. Oli needed to go last year, should have kept Shildt.
Remember, guys, jhon mo put a team that plays deep into october 🙃
F this team 😡😡😡
This team belongs no where near the playoffs. They suck! Need to start by firing Marmol.
Negative Mozeliak must be gone 1st.
Girsch 2nd then you hand out pink slips to Marmol , Ward , & Blake.
100%!
change the Manager, keep Mozeliak, we will see worse results, not better ones.
Marmol needs to be allowed one more season under a different POBO, so he can actually manage without Mo calling all the shots.
Brewer fan here. Hoping to get some input from Cardinals' experts. Did this channel quit?
NO THEY DID NOT! The Cardinals playoff chances they never had a chance before the season started. But if you want to PINPOINT ONE DAY it was the TRADE DEADELINE. YOU APPLAUDED the trade for lower class Fedde. THAT SINGLE DAY was the final knife in the back. FIX THE OFFENSE: KEEP TOMMY no instead you trade his salary for FEDDE salary a terrible pitcher who was booted from MLB last year. The Cardinals should have KEPT TOMMY - and made a SERIOUS RUN at a TOP shelf pitcher and a BIG outfielder. They failed and clearly they didn't because THEY KNEW they had no chance so why give away prospects for a hope and prayer. KUDOS to MO its one of the smart moves he did make... but what he should have done is TRADED ANYONE and EVERYONE someone wanted. We'll regret that down the road.
For the third year I say Oli and Mo gotta GO!!! This team has quietly quit on Oli every year he has been the Manager. Mo has turned a consistent contender with a farm system next to none into a league embarrassment. Nice moves ownership!
Cards end up 73 to 75 wins for the ear
Only 3 or 4 games better than 23 . Bill D III needs to say farewell to Mozeliak and Girsch. Then appoint Bloom to GM to clean the dugout out. They're so bad they don't need a President of baseball ops. That can wait.
I don't have much faith in Girsh or Bloom. Their all cut from the same "Analytics" cloth that's ruined this team. Get us some seasoned baseball personnel with "Baseball Minds". Terry Francona and Joe Madden are just sitting out there right now. All this "Launch Angle / Exit Velocity" crap is for bean counters.....Not baseball players.
@@robertcrist5747 yes it has that's why batting averages have dropped hit the ball where it is pitched
@@robertcrist5747 I recently saw an interview of Joe Madden about his book. He said he'd love to manage again. It's the first time I listened to more than a soundbite with Madden, and I was impressed. He's a baseball guy, and a very intelligent man. I'm going to read his book. But he also mentioned not wanting too much interference from the front office. So, I guess you can cross him off any list of possible future Cardinal managers.
Never would I give up Masyn Winn for Elly. Should have picked a different manager lol
Cardinals are toast!!! Burnt toast, at that!!!
Mo' is Toast !! Full scale gutting of the Front Office. Everything will be changed!! The Dim Witts will finally allow the Cardinals to start from scratch.
Even if they don't snap out of this funk, at least they didn't mortgage the future in order to achieve this. They also have Fedde for another season, which is one less hole to plug in the off-season.
Fedde is a #4 starter, nothing more
@scottcoleman9710 Even if that's all he ends up being, he comes in at under $3M next season. Considering how bad StL has been at developing consistent rotation pitchers, that's a bargain.
@@burntorangehorn Don't disagree with that, just commenting some people had the misguided opinion he is something more than that. He's very much like what we already have. At $7.5 million he is a cost effective starter.
@@scottcoleman9710 Yeah. If you look at our rotation objectively, we've got a number 2 starter, two number 3's, and a bunch of 5's/backups...
1. Gray: A guy who is a solid pitcher, but honestly profiles more as a top-end number two starter. To me, a number one starter is someone like Galen, Strider, or Cole. Gray is clearly a step below them, most of the time, and will occasionally punch above his weight, but that's not really a problem. If we had two guys like him, it would be acceptable. The problem is that behind him we have...
2. Gibson: The guys has surpassed all my expectations this year. I'm glad he's here. But his career would say that, especially at this point, he's at best a number three starter, and more likely a number four. It happens to everybody. He should have guys in front of him who are better, but he doesn't. That's not his fault.
3. Fedde: Eh... He's capable of being a number 3 starter, but I think you're feeling better if he's your number 4.
4. Mikolas: He's been up and down in quality, but now it's been primarily downs. If he's your number 5 starter, I don't think you'd be complaining too much. But, like all the guys ahead of him, he's being thrust into a higher tier of pitcher, since St. Louis is, apparently, incapable of developing quality starters.
5a. Lynn: If he had not pitched in St. Louis before this season, there is no way we would have resigned him. Also, to me, he's a number 6 starter. He should be taking the high-road and accepting stints in the bullpen, but apparently that's beneath him.
5b. Pallante: I could see him panning out as a number 3 starter, if he were given the time to do so. But, since we're on the books for too many aging, injury-prone, nostalgic signings, the odds of Pallante being given this chance is not good.
5c. Matz: If he would stay in the bullpen, I think people would just be mad about how much his contract is eating up on our year-to-year salary. He's good in the bullpen, but he's a roulette wheel of quality as a starter, and with how consistently he's injured, penciling him in as a starter is insanity.
5d. Libertore: For the love of God, just leave him in the bullpen! He's had success there, and if we can at least have a long relief guy that we can call on every few days, it's not a complete waste of talent.
5e. Thompson: Last I checked he's still in Memphis, and not doing all that well. I wonder if he's going to be the second coming of Dakota Hudson, where he gets DFA'd in a year or two.
They have not played well since Siani got hurt. They lost their sparkplug.
Damn,what did the Cardinals do?get a lobotomy?
Mediocre Marmol. I wish management could have met in the middle & kept Mike Shildt. The "Philosophical Differences" reasoning seems hollow these days. Now, the Cardinals seem stuck on a treadmill to nowhere.
The Redbirds are now the SORRIEST team in the bigs!
In 52 years of listening to kmox,
Rooney and Horton are so hard to
Listen to. Absolutely terrible.
Listen... My opinion. They are looking to move the team to Nashville TN. St Louis is nothing but empty building and crime.
😂😂😂😂
“Dead team walking.” Apt description. Trainwreck city. Shame. Happy for the Cincy fans. Frustrating time to be a Cardinals fan. Continually embarrassed and dismayed at, well, everything.
Wat a shame a below 500 team again after wrkn so hard to get up to 7 game's over 500 the glaring need is a superstar or 2 we dont have it they need to get another one nxt yr or n the future goldy will b off the books we gtta get another superstar bat n the lineup and this pitching staff is to mediocre and average I still can't believe we didn't get the ace garret crouchet fir jorden walker who Chicago wntd he should b playing now while up and they got him on the bench dnt make sense so it don't appear there really high on him y not of made the trade we needed an ace mcgreevy deserved another start or 2 also he had momentum this organization is sad they do everything wrong I swear and I told ya noot should of been traded instead of edman who's a way bttr hitter noot can't hit were done by nxt wk we will b 8 or 10 game's out of wildcard race then we can stick a fork n it we should of got schumaker as mgr instead of oli if we had to get rid of shildt who had success an had the best pitching coach Maddux they let these guys go for cheaper minor league level coaches gave O'Neil away he's raked there a dumb organization these days !!
It has nothing to do with siani don't make excuses
Oli needs fired Mo needs to walk
All you gotta do is throw 82 mile for hour change up or curve nobody in the cardinals lineup can hit it the have the blue print on the cardinals arenado and goldsmith is garbage we suck reds are nothing but they are better than us
It because they have coaches and a farm sysrem
Stop gloating Jeffrey 😅
@@hi_paulhere86 he really enjoyed this haha
Not looking good.
Cardinals are crap