Nice analysis. We had just beaten that team the day before very easily but it’s seems like they realized that they had to be much more patient in this game which they did. I think we were expecting a different game at the beginning so we were off a bit. After we switched sides I decided to stack so I could control the game from the left side. It worked but the guys played well and came up with the win. Two very nice guys with great games. Thanks for posting, I was looking for this match. I made couple uncharacteristic errors missing some drives from some short returns. Although these were the right shot, dropping these balls would have been a better option because the drives had to be to perfect to gain the advantage.
Thanks for watching the video and thanks for commenting. It seems a lot of times, in tournaments, you will beat a team in the round robin, then, face them in the medal round and lose. It's happened to me more than once.
@sportsenthusiast7360 ... Nice playing. You laid down some really good technique. It usually takes me a short game to warm up. Most folks I play with seem to think dinking for 2 minutes is sufficient but I need a variety of cooperative exchanges to be warmed up. Given that this was a bronze medal match, it guess you guys were already warmed up. So, why did you have so many unforced errors at the start?
@@aljerones99 Since we won the first match easily we didnt expect the guys play so well. Also, they were making it to difficult to find openings so we were trying to hard to find some hence the reason for the errors. I didnt have much success being creative from the right so we began stacking in order to give me some better looks. it work out well after that. With all that said, the guys were playing well also
Very enjoyable video! These four pb players are a joy to watch and learn from. On the complete opposite end, I'm playing 🤡 clown show pb with other 2.5 - 3.0 players in rec open play. There is zero strategy at the lower level. It's hard drives, pop-ups, smashes, and bash. It's exhausting and not fun. *sigh*
I hear you. I did a video about that. Everyone wants to play and there are many, many players who have no idea how to play. It's more like smash ball than pickleball. Thanks for watching.
I totally agree, I play with people just like you described who have no idea that this is how you truly play pickleball. This was a joy to watch, it was like each shot had thought .
What an exciting match! My games are looking like this more and more but when I play with most 3.0 and lower level players, the frantic and impatient hard shots are played out of preference with little regard for strategy.
What a great game. The play was really good and for me personally more fun to watch than points over in 2-3 shots. I would guess some of the 3rd shot drives are from the players watching as the game is changing with new paddle technology and general play styles at the pro level. While our general group ranges from 3 to 4 I would say we play very similar to this. Better players in the group will force everyone into the slow game. Even though we do mostly 3rd shot drops and have many points with good rallies at the nvz I don't think we would have anything for these teams. Their control, positioning and simply talent would take advantage of our errors and cause us to make more errors than normal.
Bernard is no joke! Plays senior pro on a NLP team... I have seen him dominate at the senior pro level at times. Did not seem to have his A game going for this game. Great match to watch though.
Nice game, These are definitely high level players. Execution was shaky in the beginning. I disagree with the title though. This is not an example of a soft game. Although there were soft game elements in it you can see that both sides were attacking any opportunity given and that there were many short points. Speed ups, overhead smashes, and drives are not part of the soft game. Shot selection was good. At the pro level 3rd shot drives are used more often then 3rd shot drops. This to me is an example of a balanced game where all shots were used. I've been to a lot of tournaments and there are very few true finesse players at high levels. The best players are all power players. Video time 17:40 It is a 3.5 fallacy that you can win on others unforced errors at higher levels. You need to setup the point and force the error the majority of the time which these players do. What soft shots allow you to do is to go from a defensive position to a neutral position which is important. From a neutral position then you need to use your offensive weapons to force a point winner. Oftentimes you can use dinking to setup a pop up but in the end 90% of shots end with a power play.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I don't think it's soley the paddles. There's a lot of tennis players transitioning into the sport where as before it was just pure bred pickleball players. And these players posses the technique and ability to hit some hard shots even with gen 1 paddles.
So ratings are hard in my opinion, and you may be higher than you have thought. You may need to play in more tournaments or other events/leagues with various players to really determine your level. One thing I've found is that sometimes I'll look at a game and think I could do that or play with them but upon playing you realize that what they are doing may cause you to struggle more than you do against lower-level players. They may be able to move you around more and set up finishes. As I noted in my response I feel like our group plays that same but that is playing other players in the 3.5 (+/-.5) because we do mostly 3rd shot drops, resets and lots of dinking. It's when you try those same things against a much better player that you realize they make it harder for you to do the same things and have the same success rate. Just my take. It's also not a knock on any other level of player.
Well, if you're a 3.0 player and you think you must be 4.0 because you don't think these players are 5.0, I suggest you play against either one of these teams. My guess is, you would score no more than three points. Sometimes video does not give a true story of how good they are.
If you want to bring receipts, post some game footage of yourself for us (unedited, not a highlight reel). Almost everyone thinks they’re better than they actually are until they watch themselves on video.
Nice analysis. We had just beaten that team the day before very easily but it’s seems like they realized that they had to be much more patient in this game which they did. I think we were expecting a different game at the beginning so we were off a bit. After we switched sides I decided to stack so I could control the game from the left side. It worked but the guys played well and came up with the win. Two very nice guys with great games.
Thanks for posting, I was looking for this match. I made couple uncharacteristic errors missing some drives from some short returns. Although these were the right shot, dropping these balls would have been a better option because the drives had to be to perfect to gain the advantage.
Thanks for watching the video and thanks for commenting. It seems a lot of times, in tournaments, you will beat a team in the round robin, then, face them in the medal round and lose. It's happened to me more than once.
@sportsenthusiast7360 ... Nice playing. You laid down some really good technique.
It usually takes me a short game to warm up. Most folks I play with seem to think dinking for 2 minutes is sufficient but I need a variety of cooperative exchanges to be warmed up.
Given that this was a bronze medal match, it guess you guys were already warmed up. So, why did you have so many unforced errors at the start?
@@aljerones99 Since we won the first match easily we didnt expect the guys play so well. Also, they were making it to difficult to find openings so we were trying to hard to find some hence the reason for the errors. I didnt have much success being creative from the right so we began stacking in order to give me some better looks. it work out well after that. With all that said, the guys were playing well also
You are sure correct, that’s why being consistent is the key to winning tournaments
Thanks!
Very enjoyable video! These four pb players are a joy to watch and learn from. On the complete opposite end, I'm playing 🤡 clown show pb with other 2.5 - 3.0 players in rec open play. There is zero strategy at the lower level. It's hard drives, pop-ups, smashes, and bash. It's exhausting and not fun. *sigh*
I hear you. I did a video about that. Everyone wants to play and there are many, many players who have no idea how to play. It's more like smash ball than pickleball. Thanks for watching.
I totally agree, I play with people just like you described who have no idea that this is how you truly play pickleball. This was a joy to watch, it was like each shot had thought .
Great playing, very nice pickleball
I agree! Thanks for watching.
What an exciting match! My games are looking like this more and more but when I play with most 3.0 and lower level players, the frantic and impatient hard shots are played out of preference with little regard for strategy.
That's very true. Maybe play with players above the 3.0 level whenever possible. Thanks for watching.
Great play by both teams! I strive to be more patient. Doesn't always happen, though.
Most players don't have the patience like these players do. Thanks for watching.
What a great game. The play was really good and for me personally more fun to watch than points over in 2-3 shots. I would guess some of the 3rd shot drives are from the players watching as the game is changing with new paddle technology and general play styles at the pro level. While our general group ranges from 3 to 4 I would say we play very similar to this. Better players in the group will force everyone into the slow game. Even though we do mostly 3rd shot drops and have many points with good rallies at the nvz I don't think we would have anything for these teams. Their control, positioning and simply talent would take advantage of our errors and cause us to make more errors than normal.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your comment. It's pretty obvious to see why they're 5.0.
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This is my game style but it's very hard to find a good matchup in rec play.
It's getting more difficult. Maybe find another facility to play at. Thanks for watching.
Bernard is no joke! Plays senior pro on a NLP team... I have seen him dominate at the senior pro level at times. Did not seem to have his A game going for this game. Great match to watch though.
He's really good. He and his partner beat Jory and Matt in the round robin, 15 to 3.
Hammer that 3rd, drop the 5th! Good match
That works as well. Thanks for watching.
Nice game, These are definitely high level players. Execution was shaky in the beginning. I disagree with the title though. This is not an example of a soft game. Although there were soft game elements in it you can see that both sides were attacking any opportunity given and that there were many short points. Speed ups, overhead smashes, and drives are not part of the soft game. Shot selection was good. At the pro level 3rd shot drives are used more often then 3rd shot drops. This to me is an example of a balanced game where all shots were used. I've been to a lot of tournaments and there are very few true finesse players at high levels. The best players are all power players. Video time 17:40 It is a 3.5 fallacy that you can win on others unforced errors at higher levels. You need to setup the point and force the error the majority of the time which these players do. What soft shots allow you to do is to go from a defensive position to a neutral position which is important. From a neutral position then you need to use your offensive weapons to force a point winner. Oftentimes you can use dinking to setup a pop up but in the end 90% of shots end with a power play.
Thanks for watching and thanks for your lengthy comment. I'm sure people are reading it will get something out of it.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 thanks for your videos i enjoy watching them.
Looks like Bernard’s servers are borderline sidearm, no?
It may be close, but, they are legal. He plays in tons of tournaments with referees. I don't think he's going to be calling for any legal serve.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787ok thanks
Other Pro Players claim the bang/hard game will be more dominant than the soft game
Because of the more powerful paddles, it seems to be going that way. (Unfortunately).
sure hope not.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787 I don't think it's soley the paddles. There's a lot of tennis players transitioning into the sport where as before it was just pure bred pickleball players. And these players posses the technique and ability to hit some hard shots even with gen 1 paddles.
I think young guys had to drive more and play more aggressive and fast game to avoid soft part and drops
Thanks for your opinion. Thanks for watching.
too much enforced errors ...
Unforced errors happen at every level.
@@pickleballpick-apart9787count how many Bernard racked up. He cost them this match.
these are 5.0 players? gee, I must be a 4.0 if this is 5.0.
So ratings are hard in my opinion, and you may be higher than you have thought. You may need to play in more tournaments or other events/leagues with various players to really determine your level. One thing I've found is that sometimes I'll look at a game and think I could do that or play with them but upon playing you realize that what they are doing may cause you to struggle more than you do against lower-level players. They may be able to move you around more and set up finishes. As I noted in my response I feel like our group plays that same but that is playing other players in the 3.5 (+/-.5) because we do mostly 3rd shot drops, resets and lots of dinking. It's when you try those same things against a much better player that you realize they make it harder for you to do the same things and have the same success rate. Just my take. It's also not a knock on any other level of player.
Well, if you're a 3.0 player and you think you must be 4.0 because you don't think these players are 5.0, I suggest you play against either one of these teams. My guess is, you would score no more than three points. Sometimes video does not give a true story of how good they are.
If you want to bring receipts, post some game footage of yourself for us (unedited, not a highlight reel). Almost everyone thinks they’re better than they actually are until they watch themselves on video.