That indo-Afro beef is real. I’m very mixed, Afro-passing Caribbean woman with a mixed Indo mother. She rejoiced when I was born because of my skin tone and hair type, but as I got older, and darker, her disdain for dark skin and African features was very apparent. She doesn’t accept her blackness as a mixed indo and afro Caribbean woman. Anti-blackness is a pervasive and toxic poison even in my community, the indo/afro community. Growing up was a struggle trying to identify with one or the other while being very apparently black. The identity crisis is no joke, sistren.
That panel discussion idea is good!! I’m Jamaican-British with Indo-Caribbean grandmothers in my family, I’d love to hear a conversation like this live and bring people together who want to begin linking up across the diaspora. I’m planning on moving to Jamaica by the end of my 20s because I want us as a diaspora to start cultivating international community. Love this podcast!!
I can relate to this so much ladies! Thank you for putting this together. I’m first gen in Canada and I was lucky to have parents who kept us in our roots but so true when trying to explain to literally everyone where you come from and why you look the way you do. There is also so much more literature when it comes to Afro Caribbean but not info Caribbean. I appreciate this.
Lmao she said are you though… West Indies culture is built upon a very blended culture intertwined into our family history. The fundamental values should redirect to us being one irrespective of our culture differences. My mother‘s mom “violet” (my grandma) was Dougla (half Afro/Indo). Her hair wasn’t curly-it was Indian texture hair STRAIGHT and her complexion was stunningly dark skin. Her two daughters (my mom and aunt) had hair like the young lady in the black t-shirt (shiny sheen texture curls). There were never a stigma in the household ONLY on the DARK SKIN in the village outside of the home. Her husband was lighter skin hue with sheen shine slicked back glossy hair! Yet we all referred as AFRO GUYANESE with Indian blood. But what I’ve learned is that we all came from the SAME lineage no matter the texture of our hair or skin color. That is something MOST INDIANS refuse to acknowledge, hence, the Indian family teaching their children about race whereas it is NEVER the case in our AFRO GUYANESE HOMES! It is BEAUTIFUL to embrace our culture and love it, but we don’t have to separate ourselves from each other due to appearances. I’ve talked to an Indian friend and he’s darker than both of you-he identified as a “BLACK PERSON” and I really respected him for being that bold and assertive about how he sees himself. I have 13 siblings and we are all proud AFRO/Guyanese-Americans-Canadians-we are proud African descendants mixed with Indian blood. We are very proud of being BLACK FOLKS no matter the push backs. PS. At home we laugh at each other and I’ve had my siblings called me “dark and lovely or darkie” and when my thick afro curly hair is permed I’m always mistaken for an Indian to which I was offended as a child 😂 but it’s because I’ve seen how we were separated from Indian girls in school where they look at you with distain. As a child I already knew a kid only behaved in that manner due to what is discussed at home. So I never paid them any mind and kept to myself. I had an Indian mother that mom sold me too (due to health issues and it’s customary in our culture to do so-it’s not selling off your child to get rid of them, it’s a cultural reset another mother accepts in helping a sickly baby to nurse back to health). That Indian adopted mom was so sweet to me even after I grew up around 9yrs old. She bought me the largest fish every morning because she sold fish in a basket on her head! Loved her and she loved me! R.I.P ma! We cooked Indian dishes routinely with a twist (dhal and rice 🌾 for sure with fried fish, or salted fish)!! Chicken curry 🍛 is always happening so much it is a national treasure just like pepper pot 🌶️ sheesh I’m hungry, lemme go eat some of that!! Thank you for the much appreciated conversation. I too am of the belief that every ethnic group should have a community that help to support their cause and the integration of other ethnic/racial communities.
The first Indo Caribbean indentured slaves that arrived in the West Indies was 1838 in Guyana 1846 were the other countries like Jamaica, Barbados, Grenada, Trinidad and other West Indian countries.
@@Gt_Vibes445 Trinidad Indian arrival was 30th May 1845! I was born, raised in Trinidad and we are taught 1845 not 1846. Yes I am partially desecended from Indian indentured labourers. Get you facts right!
@@nichollabrathwaite-mundy5126my apologies I was a year off, but I said 1846 not 1946. The comment I was replying to said Trinidad had the first indentured labourers in the West Indies which is false. Guyana had the first indentured labourers which was in 1838 and they were the ones treated as slaves. Trinidad and many other countries didn’t arrive until close to a decade later.
Let me assure you she looks very Indian. We are all over the place in terms of looks. We are different in all the 4directions. I am from India by the way
Why do they flee their country and people, these people are sick. Just stay in your country and be proud. How can you be proud if you flee your people and country
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That indo-Afro beef is real. I’m very mixed, Afro-passing Caribbean woman with a mixed Indo mother. She rejoiced when I was born because of my skin tone and hair type, but as I got older, and darker, her disdain for dark skin and African features was very apparent. She doesn’t accept her blackness as a mixed indo and afro Caribbean woman. Anti-blackness is a pervasive and toxic poison even in my community, the indo/afro community.
Growing up was a struggle trying to identify with one or the other while being very apparently black.
The identity crisis is no joke, sistren.
Thank you 🙏🏾 for sharing and that’s very on point.
Here is another reason to stop the race mixing.
That panel discussion idea is good!! I’m Jamaican-British with Indo-Caribbean grandmothers in my family, I’d love to hear a conversation like this live and bring people together who want to begin linking up across the diaspora. I’m planning on moving to Jamaica by the end of my 20s because I want us as a diaspora to start cultivating international community. Love this podcast!!
This is the reason I study anthropology. We gonna make moves!
I take it both your parents are half black half South Asian?
You people need therapy, stop fleeing your countries and families. SICK
@@vaimende she ashamed, go home be with your people
I can relate to this so much ladies! Thank you for putting this together. I’m first gen in Canada and I was lucky to have parents who kept us in our roots but so true when trying to explain to literally everyone where you come from and why you look the way you do. There is also so much more literature when it comes to Afro Caribbean but not info Caribbean. I appreciate this.
I’d love a conversation on the mixed identity. This was great to hear !
This was such a beautiful discussion ladies! Well needed ❤
The book “Coolie Woman” by Gaiutra Bahadur is a fantastic read
Wait so ONLY NOW????? Steeepppuuusssss!
Lmao she said are you though…
West Indies culture is built upon a very blended culture intertwined into our family history. The fundamental values should redirect to us being one irrespective of our culture differences.
My mother‘s mom “violet” (my grandma) was Dougla (half Afro/Indo). Her hair wasn’t curly-it was Indian texture hair STRAIGHT and her complexion was stunningly dark skin.
Her two daughters (my mom and aunt) had hair like the young lady in the black t-shirt (shiny sheen texture curls). There were never a stigma in the household ONLY on the DARK SKIN in the village outside of the home. Her husband was lighter skin hue with sheen shine slicked back glossy hair! Yet we all referred as AFRO GUYANESE with Indian blood. But what I’ve learned is that we all came from the SAME lineage no matter the texture of our hair or skin color. That is something MOST INDIANS refuse to acknowledge, hence, the Indian family teaching their children about race whereas it is NEVER the case in our AFRO GUYANESE HOMES!
It is BEAUTIFUL to embrace our culture and love it, but we don’t have to separate ourselves from each other due to appearances. I’ve talked to an Indian friend and he’s darker than both of you-he identified as a “BLACK PERSON” and I really respected him for being that bold and assertive about how he sees himself.
I have 13 siblings and we are all proud AFRO/Guyanese-Americans-Canadians-we are proud African descendants mixed with Indian blood. We are very proud of being BLACK FOLKS no matter the push backs.
PS. At home we laugh at each other and I’ve had my siblings called me “dark and lovely or darkie” and when my thick afro curly hair is permed I’m always mistaken for an Indian to which I was offended as a child 😂 but it’s because I’ve seen how we were separated from Indian girls in school where they look at you with distain. As a child I already knew a kid only behaved in that manner due to what is discussed at home. So I never paid them any mind and kept to myself. I had an Indian mother that mom sold me too (due to health issues and it’s customary in our culture to do so-it’s not selling off your child to get rid of them, it’s a cultural reset another mother accepts in helping a sickly baby to nurse back to health). That Indian adopted mom was so sweet to me even after I grew up around 9yrs old. She bought me the largest fish every morning because she sold fish in a basket on her head! Loved her and she loved me! R.I.P ma!
We cooked Indian dishes routinely with a twist (dhal and rice 🌾 for sure with fried fish, or salted fish)!! Chicken curry 🍛 is always happening so much it is a national treasure just like pepper pot 🌶️ sheesh I’m hungry, lemme go eat some of that!!
Thank you for the much appreciated conversation. I too am of the belief that every ethnic group should have a community that help to support their cause and the integration of other ethnic/racial communities.
To be historically correct, slavery in British Caribbean ended in 1833, first Indian indentured servants arrived in 1845
Correct. The indians were not slaves. They were bought as a failed attempt to replace black slaves after slavery was outlawed.
1845 in Trinidad but the first Indian indentured labourers to arrive in the region was in 1838 in Guyana.
The first Indo Caribbean indentured slaves that arrived in the West Indies was 1838 in Guyana 1846 were the other countries like Jamaica, Barbados, Grenada, Trinidad and other West Indian countries.
@@Gt_Vibes445 Trinidad Indian arrival was 30th May 1845! I was born, raised in Trinidad and we are taught 1845 not 1846. Yes I am partially desecended from Indian indentured labourers. Get you facts right!
@@nichollabrathwaite-mundy5126my apologies I was a year off, but I said 1846 not 1946. The comment I was replying to said Trinidad had the first indentured labourers in the West Indies which is false. Guyana had the first indentured labourers which was in 1838 and they were the ones treated as slaves. Trinidad and many other countries didn’t arrive until close to a decade later.
This discussion is excellent! I loved it. Definitely, agree with the aspect of moving to the homeland.
Good go home to your people
@@undisputedtruth6176 you are so jealous lol
Can you elaborate on meeting your grandmother's grandmother? I can see a great grandmother but great-great grandmother? I'm so curious, great topic!
Mi luv mi Indian girls!
Talk about the racism between Afro n Indians
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The lady on the right don;t even look Indian. If anything mixed but she says "I look very Indian"
Let me assure you she looks very Indian. We are all over the place in terms of looks. We are different in all the 4directions.
I am from India by the way
Yes she does look Indian. You haven't seen how different all Indians look like.
If you agree with these ladies, you are not a tether
Why do they flee their country and people, these people are sick. Just stay in your country and be proud. How can you be proud if you flee your people and country
Don't be foolish the whole world in on the move to greener pasture. Who are you to be telling folks to stay anywhere. You are nobody.
Are you illiterate?? Heard of indentured labour and slavery?
I would’ve never imagined seeing this pop up on my timeline! 🥹🥹🫶🏽