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I’m studying the history of African diaspora’s music influencing African forms such as palm-wine, juju and highlife. I appreciate the way you connect calypso to the griot tradition! Thanks for this excellent discussion. ❤🔥❤🔥

Jael!!!

Thanks for putting this together! great insight on the culture

She hasn’t aged one bit like fine wine

Coming back to this episode after hearing about the petition to get funding for 2025

In Haitian Creole it’s Koko manmanw 🇭🇹

Wow 😮 so many special nuggets to the jab culture

Phenomenal interview! Give thanks ! Keep pushing tradition and authenticity. I will myself to visit Grenada one day and vibe with the good jab people spirits! 🤲🏾

This was such an informative interview, thank you thank you!

A good amount of what she said sounded like she has personal identity issues. Her perspective of the word coolie is wrong it’s a Slavic word meaning slave aka the N word the first indentured servants were treated as slaves being whipped and tortured on plantation fields in Guyana however trinis had a different experience during indentured servitude with that word meaning people who beg to work then upcharge once they start the job that’s the meaning from India coolies at train stations over there would do that. The way she grew up sounded fine she’s trying to type cast coolie people into a box because in trini that word isn’t apart of their culture they use that word once they come to the states and Canada because of the Indo Caribbean community from Guyana . In Guyana we reclaimed that word and it’s actually used very regularly just like dougla. The word dougla will have that stigma to it like the word mulatto, but it isn’t going anywhere since it’s been around so long . Nobody uses Indo or Afro Caribbean in the West Indies when speaking day to day it’s either African or Indian. I live in Guelph, Ontario and I seen out of all the other Caribbean countries Trinis are the ones that are the most racial to the point were they have been saying they are the only ones that are West Indian which is funny because they think it’s their race because I know tons of other trinis that live in other parts of Ontario and they have never said anything ignorant like that. Not to group everyone together but trinis have the biggest racial problems in the region from both African and Indians no offence I have seen Jamaicans and bajans say this as well . I can see why Indo trinis aren’t initially accepting her she’s placing the blame on one side racism goes both ways there’s also some Africans in Trinidad who don’t like Indians and will disown their family if they date one of them. This topic isn’t new but she needs to stop being naive actual trinis living in Trinidad will tell you this exact same thing. Also soca music was created by mixing African and Indian sounds. Also Ravi b has been doing soca songs for decades. Even Byron did a soca cover called chutney bacchanal. The only piece of advice I would give her is just be herself because they way she grew up is the way most Indo Caribbean people grow up in the West Indies right now like in Guyana most Indo Caribbean don’t listen to chutney crazy like that it’s mostly dancehall,soca, reggaeton and Chutney everything gets played but reggae takes the lead . It’s little groups making it seem like it’s a huge group dictating the culture.

Wow! Never I expected to hear something like that online. As children we learn this things on the street.

Culture is not static and it is not objective. Generations actions, thinking, and behaviour changes the perspective of past cultural practices. Yes, you may be correct about the orgin and history of jab, but history stores documented past cultural practices and do not remain as is. Otherwise, we are living in the past which is anti human behaviour. Even the church change its behaviour across generations. I love the jab concept in the 1990's but i can deminished the youths interpretation of the jab... That to will be history.

I also hear certain people in carnival circles in Trinidad also pronouncing it jambalassie and spelling it that way, which I DON'T understand where the (M) in the word came from before (B). I understand the jab spelling, because of the way Caribbean people speak, but why is the letter (M) emphasized in the word before (B). Another word that has me baffled is canne brulee. How Trinis say canboulay or camboulay and I actually see people spelling the word those ways. We Caribbean people are really big on bastardizing people's languages.

I remember as a child when the diable molassie used to be a big thing in Trinidad's jour ouvert. In fact, the black devils or diable molassie/jab molassie as they call it there has been dead for a while now. In fact, the black devils, blue devils, red devils and the rear yellow devils. I say rare, because they were NOT very popular . ALL of them pretty much were dead by the late 1980's in the carnival. Thanks to Wendell Manwarren who came up with the song, "BLUE" and at the same time he managed to revive the Blue Devil, which is strong again today. I am NOT sure why he chose the blue devils as opposed to the black and other colors but it might just be that he came up with the song and then try to incorporate them into it. I really hope they revive ALL apects of the devil mas in T&T along with many other traditional characters I knew as a child and DON'T see anymore.

Good one Should try do one with the shortknee

An in-depth and concise explanation of Jab backed by historical facts. Riveting piece…

Does Grenada, like many other societies including the UK, still have a classist society? The waters are very muddy and has been for sometime. The 2% have welath has shrunk and there has been a lot of inter-marriages/association. Maybe behind closed doors the 2% may say 'ish because it's not PC. Furthermore, there are not many unmarried Men over 50yrs so the Women have to branch out and date outside of their circle. Many middle-income People can now afford to send their Children to private Schools and of course TAMCC is a collection of ALL for the most part if one can afford to pursue tertiary education. It would be best to evaluate the UK v Grenada system 'cause the UK is classist and I am sure you've experienced racism therefore don't make it appear as if the UK is perfect. Give a fair assessment of both.

Great interview. Wonderful guest.

I wouldn't mind remote working from Grenada, I hear you guys have starlink now. Spending the NY winter months in Grenada sounds like a win

This video is priceless omg it speaks to me aolt thank you for all what you do ❤️🇬🇩

Amazing!

Lots of gems - enjoyed this interview with Kered

Great interview. Kered, I understand exactly what you mean.

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Very interesting to know that the first written account was in 1791 in Hairouna (St. Vincent and the Grenadines) by William Young Jr. describing the “moco jumbos”

What a great episode. I relate so much and desire all the same things. I’m so glad and encouraged you both exist as my Carri sisters 💚💛❤️🖤

The energy in this conversation is high and beautiful and deep yet simple

The fact people act like reggae soca and calypso are different categories when it’s Caribbean music is sad. Jamaicans have soca artist too. And it’s like saying rock and alternative rock is so different. They’re all same family. People need to stop being divisive

This was such a beautiful discussion ladies! Well needed ❤

The lady on the right don;t even look Indian. If anything mixed but she says "I look very Indian"

It sounds to me like your trying to water down Jab and make it more palatable for tourist. My father taught me how to play Jab like his father did before him and if I want to play Jab with an old pig head then there is no stopping that. When I play Jab I'm playing for me, I'm not playing for show. I'm playing to honor my father and my fathers father, I'm playing to honor my ancestors and to remember what they went through to put me here today, I'm playing to remind myself to always be apposed to this modern mental slavery I am in, I'm playing to teach my children, I'm playing to give myself, my brother and my sister a proverbial splash of cold water to the face to wake the bleep up!!! and I'm playing for LOVE!

Can you elaborate on meeting your grandmother's grandmother? I can see a great grandmother but great-great grandmother? I'm so curious, great topic!

Yes!!! Please!!! If that is ever produced please contact me! I want to see that!!!!

I feel like people don't understand what they're paying for. When you make your payment your not only paying for a costume. Your paying for an experience. Your paying to uphold and represent your culture. When you get your costume. Your on the road, with your family and friends, enjoying soca music, which than gives you a reminder of who you are and where we come from. Its a different type of appreciation. People would pay HUNDREDS of dollars to sit down and go to a Taylor Swift concert because its an experience that people appreciate and value. Carnival is like a live concert that you actually get to be apart of. so essentially that Taylor Swift ticket that a person bought, has almost the same equivalence as a Carnival package, just two different cultures. At the end of the day your paying hundreds for an experience of your preference....... at least that's one of the ways to look at it. The stormers must be the ones that don't understand the culture or find value in it. It ruins it for everyone as soon as that fence breaks down..😐

I loved this episode!!! I love cross generational conversations.

Hello big up from Ethiopia #thelandoforgin

Talk about the racism between Afro n Indians

I loved this conversation so much. This is definitely why I have played LT so long, my costumes are totally capable of being preserved or upcycled. Being able to keep the moment close long term is how I chose costumes.

This young lady, Donisha Prendegast is an excellent producer- Steppah, Butterflies & the cover of her Grandma Rita’s song-#Lovesign

Loved the broad sustainability brush that was used to paint this aspect of carnivals' innovation and keying in to the Circular Economy

Can we get a part 2 please, slightly longer?

I tried explaining this to my mother who just doesn’t get it: that it’s not appropriate to just greet someone with talking about their weight. It burns me so badly.

Great Episode 👏🏾🔥🔥

The ancestors are home, just go home. You fled your country and people. You people are strange, Asians, Latinos, Caribbeans you flee your people then speak about how proud you are , if you are proud just go home to your people.

I don’t understand you fled your people, just go home to your people and you won’t need advice or support

Why not just go home to your people. I am trying to understand, Asians flee their people, Latinos flee their people, Caribbeans, then they celebrate their culture. Just go home and you will be in your culture, you won’t need advice or help

Why do they flee their country and people, these people are sick. Just stay in your country and be proud. How can you be proud if you flee your people and country

Nah man bring back the standards! I always complaining how I miss standards

Beautiful conversation! This material is culturally rich. Thank you both for exploring this topic.

Awesome podcast indeed 👍