Someone asked this in the live chat: "what does this hearing accomplish? CEO is dead..." It seems from the questioning the Coast Guard is especially interested not in the *technical details of the craft's failure* but why this guy was able to raise an OSHA complaint, and the Coast Guard was notified of that complaint, and ultimately nothing came of it. They have an important inter-agency gap to understand here. Maybe they did everything right. Maybe not. But they need to understand the timeline of who knew what when to understand whether new procedures are necessary
Yeah for every Stockton, there's 50 people who should've known better who are just as responsible; the whole company and the OSHA consultants involved are on the hook for 5 counts of manslaughter
Thats people who like to point the finger when some accident happens like an air accident or whatever without seeing that means nothing is learned and chance of the accident happening is not mitigated. Yeah finding someone to blame is easy, finding reason why that person was in the position they were and all the decisions leading up to the accident is hard and also key to making things better.
Seriously? Just imagine if the CEO of Boeing went down with a hundred souls in a 737 MAX* and the NTSB just went: _"Welp, the CEO is dead and we can't bring people back to life, so who cares what happened?"_ *Safety regulations are written in blood.* *Creative liberty, no Boeing exec would be caught dead in one of their own planes, especially one meant for the plebs...
The fact that Stockton was holding the controller behind his back like a child who wasn’t getting their way is crazy to me. So incredibly childish and unprofessional. I cannot even imagine being stuck underwater with that lunatic!
@@arttu4313 That story begins about 33:52 of the Andrea Doria, it is in that where he is describing his behaviour during the dive. It is worth listening to the whole story, lasts about 15 minutes.
“The glue will hold it together” could you imagine being a technical professional within submersibles and raising a serious set of concerns and being told in no uncertain terms that despite diving 3,800 metre with the PSI pressure of multiple Eiffel Towers that “the glue will hold it together”. As someone who has studied sea wrecks for over 30 years and knows multiple people within the industry on a personal level I can only say that this entire situation is so incompetent you probably won’t see or hear of anything to this level again in your life time. This is exactly why fanatics should never be involved in professional services.
@@Frip36 Excellent question. I am a biologist, but not a marine biologist, however, I can share a few very basic things that I am aware of as to why whales and other animals can live under pressure. Whales have many adaptations that allow them to dive deep and come right back up without suffering the effects of pressure or decompression sickness. For one thing, they do not store oxygen in their lungs the way humans do. They have a very large volume of blood and can store lots of oxygen in their blood so they can dive for longer periods of time. Their ribs are also collapsible, which helps empty their lungs and reduces nitrogen absorption so they aren't susceptible to decompression sickness. I'm sure a proper marine biologist could chime in with lots more detail, but these are the basics of how whales can dive deep even though they breathe air. Other fish are mostly made up of water, which doesn't compress ( it can compress under certain conditions, but under normal circumstances water isn't compressible).
I sure hope David Lauchridge writes a best seller about this, and gets to play himself in the Scottish Film Foundations's upcoming Blockbuster Film. He deserves the utmost respect he really does. only 2 COMMENTS!!!!
Well said. Gripping testimony, but you can just hear the frustration that it even came to this. And you can even tell he knew he was going to have to give this testimony one day if nobody ever stopped Stockton
I was in the same type of situation as this gentleman from Scotland. Speaking up for following a corrupt process after relocating with family. Working for a narcissist that is in charge of everything and has no idea of what they are doing with a poor temperament.
And yes, dealing with the U.S. Courts is difficult when it includes another agency. There is no recourse and they don't provide the protection they are suppose to because it causes a conflict for them. They will not order an agency to do what they are suppose to do to,remedy the problem. It is nerve rack8ng, stressful and never resolved. I lost money in legal fees as well and walked away.
Thank you Mr and Mrs Lockhart for doing the right things!!! So painfully sorry you and your family had to go through all this - I’m sure any “real” employer would be blessed and lucky to have you on their team!!! You were protecting all of us from Mr and Mrs rush - they’re horrible people and their egos are disgusting We appreciate you!! Thank you for trying to stop those crazy people ❤
Company is obviously terrible, but man we need more funding for important bureaucratic programs! His OSHA case worker had (at least) 11 claims older than his, that is insane. If OSHA had taken him seriously and had appropriate resources to do their job this could have been so easily prevented, it’s a crying shame and appropriate reflection on the state of our government.
The fact this man came up with the data EXPLICITELY displaying blatant irresponsible behavior and was shut down is upsetting to say the least. I hope this man will be rewarded in some way.
I was under the impression before the hearing that this was a preventable tragedy. Now after watching this testimony, OSHAs complete incompetence and negligence is a big part of this tragedy and there were many stages throughout the years they could have helped stopped this.
They had one worker overworked with 11 cases. Meanwhile, Oceangate had the money to put pressure on him. As usual, the US is a capitalist hellscape that refuses to tax the wealthy.
It baffles me how often rich people will risk their lives on meaningless endeavors: Mt. Everest, flying their own plane, skydiving, African safaris, etc. thousands of people that lost their lives just for bragging rights, we’ve all met someone like Stockton, his arrogance and behavior makes you want to just get away from them, but these people are just like him. I feel sorry for the kid who was roped into this by his father, and I feel bad for the families
It's not just for bragging rights. If you can afford anything, life gets boring. You've got to push the envelope to feel you're alive. Secondly, you think only rich people do risky things? Ever heard of bull riding? Skateboarding? Mosh pits.
of course oceangates' lawyers don't have the documents sent by oceangates' lawyers. that company is true to itself! (as they later said, they're not the same lawyers but the company didn't hand it to them obvious as it may have been needed by them)
Sometimes you have to be the troublemaker. It seems like most people around Rush were just yes men, too afraid to lose their jobs and put safety of human beings last.
Titan had made a couple of successful dives to the Titanic wreckage: in 2021 and in 2022 so it wasn't impossible at all. But the design was not safe enough for repeated dives. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
It's amazing the Titan succeeded with those dives, given the questionable engineering, makeshift components and low budget. In a way it was quite an achievement, but yes an accident waiting to happen.
@@bigworldparty was about as much of an achievement as jumping off a building and only breaking a leg is one. Absolute lunatics. They tested it to failure, while they had people inside.
@@bigworldparty its like using a sketchy tool on a project. it works once and you're like wow can't believe it worked. but because it worked once, these fools believed it work over and over again.
That guy deserves the US nationality .. his care for the people's life is behond remarkable! He clearly went above and beyond to protect people on US soils.. he deserves a price and the nationality as a reward!
I always enjoy watching these hearings and seeing how inept the people conducting them are at using technology. It's like watching my mother try to navigate a powerpoint.
How is that karma 🤔 The fact that they died suggests they faced their own karma in real time. His karma was entirely his own, born of his arrogance and idiocy.
Professionally this man was betrayed. 30 years of experience ignored. Then to be threatened and harassed by Ocean Gate. If only someone believed him those men would have been alive today 😢
I think they are getting the facts down for multiple reasons. Why and how was Rush able to circumvent certification, and pull a stunt like he did! Every one is involved. Why was the PP allowed to pull the Titan out there? Shouldn’t they have investigated who Oceangate was and what they were doing with essentially civilians in there. How did Rush exploit other loopholes to avoid detection by the authorities. The submersible community seemed to be uncomfortable with his practices, but there seemed to be no legal framework to stop him. Also, let the lawsuits begin. AND look at all the money and personnel multiple countries used to try to help. It’s just a completely unregulated area
There no words to how they treated Mr. Lockridge and his family ,you could say because he's not a US citizen has to do with it ? Or because ha has a lot of knowledge about this field ?? nothing make sense how they treated him .
Ofc it makes sense. Ocean gate wanted to do their thing on a budget and with a time crunch and he wanted to stop them. So obviously ocean gate will abuse the legal system in any way they can to prevent their delusional project getting shut down.
I want to shake Davids hand, trying so hard to fight a battle that took such a toll on his family and life. He fought a battle sacrificing money, health and honor, to try and prevent a tragedy. He just didnt have the resources to finish the battle. Human lives were lost because Stockton, the employees who willfully ignored Davids warnings, and OSHAs lack of capability to actually help David stop what was going on. Whats shocking to me is how OSHA handled Davids case. They either dont have the money to employ enough people to make it through case files, or the culture in OSHA is so bad they dont have the competency to actually do something. Personally Im betting OSHA is suffering due to DEI.
@@rayronnyd4659 When you hear hoof beats do you think of a zebra or a horse? DEI is THE trend. Hiring someone incompetent hurts services provided, hurts the products, and it taxes people who are competent.
if they start investigating why OSHA agreed to this settlement and was obviously overloaded anyway, I wonder if they check if that org was also affected by the mass firings / replacements when Trump 'drained the swamp' aka destroyed most public safety institutions in the first weeks in office. or if they were just understaffed all the time. i mean, it can hardly be corruption, oceangate wasn't rich enough for that ;-)
Do you remember the game Mousetrap? That’s what this reminds me of. Especially that orange line to the Shop-Vac hose, controlled by the fishing reel. 😳
He's angry and has every right to be. He told them for years this was going to happen and the thanks he got was dragged into lawsuits because he reported to the proper authorities!
Ex military, Scottish, highly trained and experienced - not cocky. I’ve been lucky enough to work with men like that and although they are direct and tough, they really know what they are talking about. Once you realise that, you feel only respect and admiration for them.
Someone asked this in the live chat: "what does this hearing accomplish? CEO is dead..."
It seems from the questioning the Coast Guard is especially interested not in the *technical details of the craft's failure* but why this guy was able to raise an OSHA complaint, and the Coast Guard was notified of that complaint, and ultimately nothing came of it. They have an important inter-agency gap to understand here. Maybe they did everything right. Maybe not. But they need to understand the timeline of who knew what when to understand whether new procedures are necessary
Yeah for every Stockton, there's 50 people who should've known better who are just as responsible; the whole company and the OSHA consultants involved are on the hook for 5 counts of manslaughter
Thats people who like to point the finger when some accident happens like an air accident or whatever without seeing that means nothing is learned and chance of the accident happening is not mitigated.
Yeah finding someone to blame is easy, finding reason why that person was in the position they were and all the decisions leading up to the accident is hard and also key to making things better.
Seriously? Just imagine if the CEO of Boeing went down with a hundred souls in a 737 MAX* and the NTSB just went: _"Welp, the CEO is dead and we can't bring people back to life, so who cares what happened?"_
*Safety regulations are written in blood.*
*Creative liberty, no Boeing exec would be caught dead in one of their own planes, especially one meant for the plebs...
The USCG failed to interview the Director in charge of Assurance for Ocean Gate. He was a retired Admiral from the USCG. Imagine that!
they totally did everything wrong!
The fact that Stockton was holding the controller behind his back like a child who wasn’t getting their way is crazy to me. So incredibly childish and unprofessional. I cannot even imagine being stuck underwater with that lunatic!
Just listened to that story (33:45). Absolutely insane. Like having a 3 year old in charge of the submersible.
timestamp?
@@arttu4313 no idea I watched this 3 days ago.
@@arttu4313 That story begins about 33:52 of the Andrea Doria, it is in that where he is describing his behaviour during the dive. It is worth listening to the whole story, lasts about 15 minutes.
Another witness next days said it wasn’t as he said
Wow, this build is absolutely horrific. David's knowledge is outstanding. You tried David, they were never going to listen to you 💰💰💰
“The glue will hold it together” could you imagine being a technical professional within submersibles and raising a serious set of concerns and being told in no uncertain terms that despite diving 3,800 metre with the PSI pressure of multiple Eiffel Towers that “the glue will hold it together”. As someone who has studied sea wrecks for over 30 years and knows multiple people within the industry on a personal level I can only say that this entire situation is so incompetent you probably won’t see or hear of anything to this level again in your life time. This is exactly why fanatics should never be involved in professional services.
How does multiple Eiffel Towers pressure not crush wails and other aquatic life?
@@Frip36 Fishes' bodies aren't a pressure chamber, nor are solitary walls/panels.
Turns out the glue did not, in fact, hold it together.
@@Frip36 Excellent question. I am a biologist, but not a marine biologist, however, I can share a few very basic things that I am aware of as to why whales and other animals can live under pressure.
Whales have many adaptations that allow them to dive deep and come right back up without suffering the effects of pressure or decompression sickness. For one thing, they do not store oxygen in their lungs the way humans do. They have a very large volume of blood and can store lots of oxygen in their blood so they can dive for longer periods of time. Their ribs are also collapsible, which helps empty their lungs and reduces nitrogen absorption so they aren't susceptible to decompression sickness. I'm sure a proper marine biologist could chime in with lots more detail, but these are the basics of how whales can dive deep even though they breathe air. Other fish are mostly made up of water, which doesn't compress ( it can compress under certain conditions, but under normal circumstances water isn't compressible).
I sure hope David Lauchridge writes a best seller about this, and gets to play himself in the Scottish Film Foundations's upcoming Blockbuster Film. He deserves the utmost respect he really does. only 2 COMMENTS!!!!
This guy knows his stuff and is probably angry that this sad tragedy could've been avoided
Lol get Jonny Lee Miller to play him
@storminateacup9791 Stockton Rush also sued him and kept him in litigation for years because he went public. They still didn't listen.
I agree. He reminds of a gentlemanly James Bond.
I liked that he specified how the controller hit him starboard. lol 44:00
LOL
I noticed that too 🤣 a true submariner
I didn’t hear that part what stamp
@@Thedevontreeabout 44:00 after he’s asked to clarify that SR threw the controller at him
There’s a few puns they say here and there too , but not on purpose.
This is fascinating and horrifying. Stockton was a lunatic.
Well said. Gripping testimony, but you can just hear the frustration that it even came to this. And you can even tell he knew he was going to have to give this testimony one day if nobody ever stopped Stockton
I was in the same type of situation as this gentleman from Scotland. Speaking up for following a corrupt process after relocating with family. Working for a narcissist that is in charge of everything and has no idea of what they are doing with a poor temperament.
And yes, dealing with the U.S. Courts is difficult when it includes another agency. There is no recourse and they don't provide the protection they are suppose to because it causes a conflict for them. They will not order an agency to do what they are suppose to do to,remedy the problem. It is nerve rack8ng, stressful and never resolved. I lost money in legal fees as well and walked away.
Thank you Mr and Mrs Lockhart for doing the right things!!!
So painfully sorry you and your family had to go through all this - I’m sure any “real” employer would be blessed and lucky to have you on their team!!! You were protecting all of us from Mr and Mrs rush - they’re horrible people and their egos are disgusting
We appreciate you!!
Thank you for trying to stop those crazy people ❤
Company is obviously terrible, but man we need more funding for important bureaucratic programs! His OSHA case worker had (at least) 11 claims older than his, that is insane. If OSHA had taken him seriously and had appropriate resources to do their job this could have been so easily prevented, it’s a crying shame and appropriate reflection on the state of our government.
Live could have been saved, I hope they think of that each nigh!
Sounds exactly like what Stockton said himself, he broke alot of rules. This just confirms that he did not do it with sound engineering.
The fact this man came up with the data EXPLICITELY displaying blatant irresponsible behavior and was shut down is upsetting to say the least.
I hope this man will be rewarded in some way.
Sign here, congratulations you’re a mission specialist!
I was under the impression before the hearing that this was a preventable tragedy. Now after watching this testimony, OSHAs complete incompetence and negligence is a big part of this tragedy and there were many stages throughout the years they could have helped stopped this.
They had one worker overworked with 11 cases.
Meanwhile, Oceangate had the money to put pressure on him.
As usual, the US is a capitalist hellscape that refuses to tax the wealthy.
He must've been exhausted after this.
He have been waiting years to be able to get this on the record
The headline alone is everything wrong with not just Oceangate, but American companies in general. Boeing, Tesla, etc.
It baffles me how often rich people will risk their lives on meaningless endeavors: Mt. Everest, flying their own plane, skydiving, African safaris, etc. thousands of people that lost their lives just for bragging rights, we’ve all met someone like Stockton, his arrogance and behavior makes you want to just get away from them, but these people are just like him. I feel sorry for the kid who was roped into this by his father, and I feel bad for the families
It's not just for bragging rights. If you can afford anything, life gets boring. You've got to push the envelope to feel you're alive. Secondly, you think only rich people do risky things? Ever heard of bull riding? Skateboarding? Mosh pits.
@@Frip36Poor people can’t afford the risky hobby of going to space or deep deep sea
@@EliteXclutchX21 But they can do other high risk things can't they Elite. Yes they can. Woo woo woo you're so adorable. Go play now.
And poor people will risk there life’s in other ways. It’s an all people problem.
3:44:23 is jaw dropping!
So Osha had info that unsafe things were in progress and that the Coast Guard should be involved?
You got it!
this is soooo juicy I love how David came and served the tea piping hot.
of course oceangates' lawyers don't have the documents sent by oceangates' lawyers. that company is true to itself! (as they later said, they're not the same lawyers but the company didn't hand it to them obvious as it may have been needed by them)
Sometimes you have to be the troublemaker. It seems like most people around Rush were just yes men, too afraid to lose their jobs and put safety of human beings last.
Titan had made a couple of successful dives to the Titanic wreckage: in 2021 and in 2022 so it wasn't impossible at all. But the design was not safe enough for repeated dives. It was a disaster waiting to happen.
It's amazing the Titan succeeded with those dives, given the questionable engineering, makeshift components and low budget. In a way it was quite an achievement, but yes an accident waiting to happen.
@@bigworldparty was about as much of an achievement as jumping off a building and only breaking a leg is one. Absolute lunatics. They tested it to failure, while they had people inside.
@@bigworldparty its like using a sketchy tool on a project. it works once and you're like wow can't believe it worked. but because it worked once, these fools believed it work over and over again.
That guy deserves the US nationality .. his care for the people's life is behond remarkable! He clearly went above and beyond to protect people on US soils.. he deserves a price and the nationality as a reward!
I agree, but not sure he'd want that now. Rush pretty much abused him.
I always enjoy watching these hearings and seeing how inept the people conducting them are at using technology. It's like watching my mother try to navigate a powerpoint.
Imagine thinking that this boiled egg was safe, absolutely staggering!
Stocken's wife's great great grandparents died on the Titanic. Now over 100 years later Titanic claims her husband. Karma?
How is that karma 🤔
The fact that they died suggests they faced their own karma in real time.
His karma was entirely his own, born of his arrogance and idiocy.
I don't think it's karma when Stockton was clearly trying everything to die in his sub
I dont think you understand what "Karma" means.
Grow up
Professionally this man was betrayed. 30 years of experience ignored. Then to be threatened and harassed by Ocean Gate. If only someone believed him those men would have been alive today 😢
That Doria incident! It sounded like a movie where Lockridge slugs Rush across the face to take the controls.
When Rush got the crew stuck underwater he didn't get up to look at his surroundings because he couldn't look the passengers in the eyes.
Just wow.
I think they are getting the facts down for multiple reasons. Why and how was Rush able to circumvent certification, and pull a stunt like he did! Every one is involved. Why was the PP allowed to pull the Titan out there? Shouldn’t they have investigated who Oceangate was and what they were doing with essentially civilians in there. How did Rush exploit other loopholes to avoid detection by the authorities. The submersible community seemed to be uncomfortable with his practices, but there seemed to be no legal framework to stop him. Also, let the lawsuits begin. AND look at all the money and personnel multiple countries used to try to help. It’s just a completely unregulated area
The Real Deal!
Just the text written in red??
Screaming red flags!!!! 💯
There no words to how they treated Mr. Lockridge and his family ,you could say because he's not a US citizen has to do with it ? Or because ha has a lot of knowledge about this field ?? nothing make sense how they treated him .
Ofc it makes sense. Ocean gate wanted to do their thing on a budget and with a time crunch and he wanted to stop them. So obviously ocean gate will abuse the legal system in any way they can to prevent their delusional project getting shut down.
Narcissists feel VERY insecure around people who are truly competent. Deep down Rush was probably jealous of Lockridge or somehow felt threatened
I want to shake Davids hand, trying so hard to fight a battle that took such a toll on his family and life. He fought a battle sacrificing money, health and honor, to try and prevent a tragedy. He just didnt have the resources to finish the battle. Human lives were lost because Stockton, the employees who willfully ignored Davids warnings, and OSHAs lack of capability to actually help David stop what was going on. Whats shocking to me is how OSHA handled Davids case. They either dont have the money to employ enough people to make it through case files, or the culture in OSHA is so bad they dont have the competency to actually do something. Personally Im betting OSHA is suffering due to DEI.
Lol. Yes. Hiring minorities is what caused OSHA to not have respond, and not because it had its budget cut.
@@rayronnyd4659 Hiring based on skin color rather than the ability to do the job. Thats DEI.
@Whytho2000 yeah I know what DEI is lol. But how do you know that that is what happened at OSHA?
@@rayronnyd4659 When you hear hoof beats do you think of a zebra or a horse? DEI is THE trend. Hiring someone incompetent hurts services provided, hurts the products, and it taxes people who are competent.
@Whytho2000 that's not an answer for my question. Do you have evidence that OSHA was hiring minorities. And that these minorities were unqualified?
Anyone know the time of the hole fom the dovetail groove cut mentioned by Catterson in Day 1, and also the photos shown in this video by Lochridge?
I am sorry this honest man was used by Stockton.
Oceangate's business philosophy was disorganization and greed. Sad 😔
if they start investigating why OSHA agreed to this settlement and was obviously overloaded anyway, I wonder if they check if that org was also affected by the mass firings / replacements when Trump 'drained the swamp' aka destroyed most public safety institutions in the first weeks in office. or if they were just understaffed all the time. i mean, it can hardly be corruption, oceangate wasn't rich enough for that ;-)
Do you remember the game Mousetrap? That’s what this reminds me of. Especially that orange line to the Shop-Vac hose, controlled by the fishing reel. 😳
Stockton rush, world’s wreck less person in the universe.
41:35 What does he say? He clattered it off the right side of my head???
Yes!! Meaning he threw it at him. Clattered also means beaten up. So is someone gets beat up in a fight u would say the person got clattered!!
@@76MJLover oh thank you for the explanation. is that more commonly used in Scotland? I never heard it in the United States.
"Key Witness Testifies in Titan Submersible Hearing"
Was anyone else expecting them to question a fish in bowl?
They did question several fish, the Lady Specialist (Passenger) was the biggest. She made less sense than a goldfish.
Adam shive would of protected him
OSHA is a joke
RUclips adding a warning about what the titanic is? Now they think this is part of that conspiracy? Joseph Stalin would be so proud!
It’s not a warning…lol
There was a witness in the ocean
His testimony is crucial. He’s a bit cocky but believable.
He's angry and has every right to be. He told them for years this was going to happen and the thanks he got was dragged into lawsuits because he reported to the proper authorities!
He doesn't seem cocky to me. Just angry that this could have been avoided if Stockton wasn't so arrogant and money-obsessed.
Angry and oceangate and osha. And maybe even the coast guard. So much negligence happened to allow this tragedy to happen.
Ex military, Scottish, highly trained and experienced - not cocky. I’ve been lucky enough to work with men like that and although they are direct and tough, they really know what they are talking about. Once you realise that, you feel only respect and admiration for them.
Men like this are the men who earned respect; the cocky boys who try to trade off that "respect" would crumble like a leaf under this guy
What is going on with his hair?
I thought it was a yamulka
nothing, what can you see?
It's hairing?
Maybe it’s a cowlick
What a shock employees attacking a man who can't defend himself to CYA
Maybe he shouldn't have risked their lives and the lives of the public out of greed.
His own words condemned him
Why can't stockton defend himself?🤔
He lost the right to defend himself when he literally signed his own death warrant.
o_O
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