Ted's point about Arsenal's squad building during the 22-23 season is very interesting cause the general consensus among the fanbase is that it was pretty good business all round. But looking back into it Jesus, Zinchenko, Vieira, Jorginho, Trossard and Kiwior are all players whose time at Arsenal is close to being done, and they make up pretty much our entire bench which isnt ideal.
I remember when they signed Jesus and zinchenko and everybody said it was good business, but I felt like the only one who didn't see it that way. 75 million to a team they aspired to me, and they were their cast offs at that. The other signings make sense, however, none are good enough to start for the club ( Vieira simply hasn't worked though)
The baby thing, really appreciate it guys. Amazing, how we all in our private lives go through the same things, yet these things we dont notice or hear about. Love the hazard story. Great work guys
I disagree about which transfer window hurt Arsenal the most. The Jesus/Zinchenko/Kiwior/Trossard season was one where Arsenal set out to challenge for the top 4, the title race was not in the picture and those players were needle movers at that time to take the team from 8th, 8th, 5th to being much closer to Man City. The following window is what let them down in my opinion. Rice was an overpay, but you can forgive it because pretty much every single midfielder that season was an overpay. Havertz was signed as a replacement to Xhaka, he has monumentally failed - people think that because he transitioned into a forward and did ok (not great, ok) for a while that somehow justifies the transfer but the reality is that the club spent £65m and put him on £275k/week to be the starting left 8, which he wasn't good enough to be and he's certainly not good enough to be a title winning forward either. Also, the talk of working within the budget this past season doesn't hold up so well when the club was close to spending another £20-25m on a goalkeeper at the end of the window and according to most reports they seem to have plenty of wiggle room with PSR for this upcoming January/summer window. This last transfer window was a disaster for a club that was meant to finally closing the small gap between them and City. Neto on loan AFTER he made a league cup appearance meaning they're spending money on his wages to just sit there and not play a minute until the 3rd round of the FA Cup. Sterling loan, yes, Chelsea are paying the bulk but they've still laid out 100k/week on a player the manager clearly doesn't want to use. Merino is NOT a needle mover, or even an improvement on Arsenals best midfield (they've not lost a game that Partey/Rice/Odegaard all started in 2024) and Calafiori who looks a good player, but is still a centre back being asked to come in and play left back. It was a horrendous transfer window and most neutrals called it that way in the summer, this isn't revisionism, we all said you didn't look like a club that wanted to catch City and that's certainly how it's panning out. Your owners have a track record for this, getting close and then stepping off the gas, feels a lot like history repeating itself.
This pod: 'brighton could be in the champions league soon', 'not that far away', this group is 'pretty special'. Reality: they have just had quite a bad run of results and Opta have them 14th on xGD/90 after 16 games, and 13th on xPTS after spending £200m in the summer and playing vs 10 men every week.
I think we do have another player that did what the (no 10) players of yesteryear could do with their passing - Jorginiho. Unfortunately his age and lack of mobility (which he makes up for with anticipation in defence) mean he can't be the answer. I know Merino didn't have the best stats for this coming to arsenal, and he hasn't had a chance to show it yet, but I do think he can contribute to an extent but we need a proper 10. thought it was Viera but he needs to be more development and allowance from Arteta.
@@Dere2727 teams that end up doing well in the Prem league outperform their xpts almost always. A really good example of this is the 22/23 season Arsenal finished with 84 points just 5 points off city. Their expected points were 72 points. This was one off Brighton's and Newcastle's expected points though in reality there was a 20 point gap at the end of the season between Arsenal and these teams.
If Rashford does go, and more likely for a loany-obligationy-ManU paying some wages thing, where do you see him going? I cant think of anything other than Milan myself. They could maybe sell him the fashion lifesyle thing (to compensate for lower wages if it turns into a permanent), they have a bit of form for getting tunes out of out of favour English players. And seems he could eventually replace Leao (maybe TOOO perfectly in a 'can be fantastic but can also be lethargic' way). I feel really that Milan is showy enough for Rashford, and Rashford is showy enough for the Milan marketers.
There's the context of the inexperience of their manager, new players gelling into the team and their underlying stats are good, they just don't finish their chances.
Are you 2 empty? “They’re going to miss an opportunity this year that was on the table” Acting as if Arsenal are out of the tile race in December & being only 6 points off the leaders? Also “they’ve got nothing to lose” I’m sorry? What? 🤣🤣 this isn’t the time to just fart about and play random brand new attacking style football. If we was 15/20 points of then I’d agree! But we are not. 6 points. December. Alive.
@ we’ve lost twice this season, we have scored 29 goals (7 less than Liverpool) *with* (1 less than Chelsea) *no* (4 less than City) *striker* Have conceded only 15, compared to.. (2 more than Liverpool) (1 less than Chelsea) (1 more than City) But our record being (8-6-2) and the teams respectively above us being (10-4-2) & (11-3-1) is bad? Nonsense. This is a long season. And it certainly won’t be a season like we are used to over the last few years. Going to be one hell of a title race. Low total points tally this season. And Arsenal will be there/thereabouts. Expect drop off’s from each top team, you’ve seen city’s fall, arsenals stumble. Chelsea & Liverpool will also.
@hisvisuals I just don't see it with Arsenal this season. Seeing more limitations of numerous players. Arsenal will do well to stay with Chelsea and Liverpool cause the simple fact is both those teams have better starting XIs and squads. Also the no striker thing is silly, City scored 100 goals with no striker and I'd rather have Havertz than Darwin the useless donkey.
Ted's point about Arsenal's squad building during the 22-23 season is very interesting cause the general consensus among the fanbase is that it was pretty good business all round. But looking back into it Jesus, Zinchenko, Vieira, Jorginho, Trossard and Kiwior are all players whose time at Arsenal is close to being done, and they make up pretty much our entire bench which isnt ideal.
I’d give trossard time, the rest are worthy profit
I remember when they signed Jesus and zinchenko and everybody said it was good business, but I felt like the only one who didn't see it that way. 75 million to a team they aspired to me, and they were their cast offs at that. The other signings make sense, however, none are good enough to start for the club ( Vieira simply hasn't worked though)
They helped get us from 8/5th to two seasons of 2nd place, with the latest only 2 points behind the winners
@@jhaychyeah but 75 million for two of arsenal’s best players in the first years after Arteta is cheap
The baby thing, really appreciate it guys. Amazing, how we all in our private lives go through the same things, yet these things we dont notice or hear about. Love the hazard story. Great work guys
Arteta has become far too pragmatic this season. A great defence wins you titles, but only if your attack is able to score.
I disagree about which transfer window hurt Arsenal the most. The Jesus/Zinchenko/Kiwior/Trossard season was one where Arsenal set out to challenge for the top 4, the title race was not in the picture and those players were needle movers at that time to take the team from 8th, 8th, 5th to being much closer to Man City. The following window is what let them down in my opinion.
Rice was an overpay, but you can forgive it because pretty much every single midfielder that season was an overpay. Havertz was signed as a replacement to Xhaka, he has monumentally failed - people think that because he transitioned into a forward and did ok (not great, ok) for a while that somehow justifies the transfer but the reality is that the club spent £65m and put him on £275k/week to be the starting left 8, which he wasn't good enough to be and he's certainly not good enough to be a title winning forward either.
Also, the talk of working within the budget this past season doesn't hold up so well when the club was close to spending another £20-25m on a goalkeeper at the end of the window and according to most reports they seem to have plenty of wiggle room with PSR for this upcoming January/summer window.
This last transfer window was a disaster for a club that was meant to finally closing the small gap between them and City. Neto on loan AFTER he made a league cup appearance meaning they're spending money on his wages to just sit there and not play a minute until the 3rd round of the FA Cup. Sterling loan, yes, Chelsea are paying the bulk but they've still laid out 100k/week on a player the manager clearly doesn't want to use. Merino is NOT a needle mover, or even an improvement on Arsenals best midfield (they've not lost a game that Partey/Rice/Odegaard all started in 2024) and Calafiori who looks a good player, but is still a centre back being asked to come in and play left back. It was a horrendous transfer window and most neutrals called it that way in the summer, this isn't revisionism, we all said you didn't look like a club that wanted to catch City and that's certainly how it's panning out.
Your owners have a track record for this, getting close and then stepping off the gas, feels a lot like history repeating itself.
This pod: 'brighton could be in the champions league soon', 'not that far away', this group is 'pretty special'.
Reality: they have just had quite a bad run of results and Opta have them 14th on xGD/90 after 16 games, and 13th on xPTS after spending £200m in the summer and playing vs 10 men every week.
Hazard's story is something you can only hear in this podcast, amazing content as always.
Have you guys ever thought of offering a bit of coverage to women’s football, like the uwcl?
I think we do have another player that did what the (no 10) players of yesteryear could do with their passing - Jorginiho. Unfortunately his age and lack of mobility (which he makes up for with anticipation in defence) mean he can't be the answer.
I know Merino didn't have the best stats for this coming to arsenal, and he hasn't had a chance to show it yet, but I do think he can contribute to an extent but we need a proper 10. thought it was Viera but he needs to be more development and allowance from Arteta.
Are chelsea good based on the numbers?
Yes but not 2nd place good
the underlying numbers only matter when its in Pats favour, haven't you realised this? 😂
@@Dere2727 teams that end up doing well in the Prem league outperform their xpts almost always. A really good example of this is the 22/23 season Arsenal finished with 84 points just 5 points off city. Their expected points were 72 points. This was one off Brighton's and Newcastle's expected points though in reality there was a 20 point gap at the end of the season between Arsenal and these teams.
If Rashford does go, and more likely for a loany-obligationy-ManU paying some wages thing, where do you see him going? I cant think of anything other than Milan myself. They could maybe sell him the fashion lifesyle thing (to compensate for lower wages if it turns into a permanent), they have a bit of form for getting tunes out of out of favour English players. And seems he could eventually replace Leao (maybe TOOO perfectly in a 'can be fantastic but can also be lethargic' way). I feel really that Milan is showy enough for Rashford, and Rashford is showy enough for the Milan marketers.
City should try gvardiol at cdm. What do you guys think?
Only diallo downside is the fact he’s still friends with greenwood and openly supports him
Most people support Greenwood, it's just the little stupid groups that still oppose him.
Calafiori issue has been his groin jsyk
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Hell yeah Misses Hazard
Brighton haven't beat a bottom 5 team all season, and yeah had the nighest net spend of anyone in the summer. Why the glaze?
There's the context of the inexperience of their manager, new players gelling into the team and their underlying stats are good, they just don't finish their chances.
Are you 2 empty? “They’re going to miss an opportunity this year that was on the table”
Acting as if Arsenal are out of the tile race in December & being only 6 points off the leaders?
Also “they’ve got nothing to lose” I’m sorry? What? 🤣🤣 this isn’t the time to just fart about and play random brand new attacking style football. If we was 15/20 points of then I’d agree! But we are not.
6 points. December.
Alive.
You realise you need to start scoring goals and winning to challenge for a title 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you should be worried about top 4
@ we’ve lost twice this season, we have scored 29 goals
(7 less than Liverpool) *with*
(1 less than Chelsea) *no*
(4 less than City) *striker*
Have conceded only 15, compared to..
(2 more than Liverpool)
(1 less than Chelsea)
(1 more than City)
But our record being (8-6-2) and the teams respectively above us being (10-4-2) & (11-3-1) is bad? Nonsense.
This is a long season. And it certainly won’t be a season like we are used to over the last few years. Going to be one hell of a title race.
Low total points tally this season. And Arsenal will be there/thereabouts.
Expect drop off’s from each top team, you’ve seen city’s fall, arsenals stumble. Chelsea & Liverpool will also.
@hisvisuals I just don't see it with Arsenal this season. Seeing more limitations of numerous players. Arsenal will do well to stay with Chelsea and Liverpool cause the simple fact is both those teams have better starting XIs and squads. Also the no striker thing is silly, City scored 100 goals with no striker and I'd rather have Havertz than Darwin the useless donkey.
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