The Origin and Early History of Marvel's THOR
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2022
- History of the Marvel Universe No. 183
The Origin and Early History of Marvel's Thor
Sources:
Journey Into Mystery 083 (1962)
Journey Into Mystery 085 (1962)
Avengers 001 (1963)
Journey Into Mystery 100-102 (1964)
Journey Into Mystery 113-114 (1965)
Thor 134-136 (1966)
Thor 159 (1968)
Thor Annual 005 (1976)
Invaders 032-033 (1978)
Thor 289 (1979)
Thor 293-301 (1980)
Thor 314 (1981)
Thor Annual 011 (1983)
Thor 332 (1983)
Thor 370 (1986)
Thor 402-403 (1989)
Marvel Comics Presents 063 (1990)
Thor 415 (1990)
Marvel Super-Heroes 015 (Fall Special) (1993)
Thor 475 (1994)
Thor 479 (1994)
Thor 482-483 (1995)
Marvel: The Lost Generation 005 (2000)
Captain Marvel 017 (2001)
Citizen V and the V-Batallion: The Everlasting 004 (2002)
Black Panther 046-047 (2002)
Thor: Son of Asgard (2004-2005)
Incredible Hulk 093 (2006)
Avengers Classic 005 (2007)
Incredible Hercules 115 (2008)
Thor: Wolves of the North (2010)
Journey Into Mystery 623 (2011)
Mighty Thor 012.1 (2012)
Mighty Thor 013 (2012)
Thor: God of Thunder 001 (2012)
Thor: God of Thunder 009 (2013)
Uncanny Avengers 006 (2013)
Venom 004 (2018)
Additional information from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
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Wow, they have an IG game too ?
Please give us second part that covers his major stories from joining the avengers till the original Ragnarok event
@@matthewsandifer8835 - You mean the Walt Siminson years?
Sorry, I mean Simonson.
Can’t you do a video about the Grapplers? They’re a female supervillain team
When you lay it all out like this…Odin’s a real piece of work.
Dads, am I right?
It only makes sense considering that the original Norse Odin was a real piece of work too. But I think the biggest piece of work was definitely the Odin in American Gods
I just wanted to say thank you for getting me into marvel lore and history until this point I only really knew about a few big spider man related events but after finding this channel I’ve fallen in love with the deep history and honestly fascinating characters that are often not talked about
I wish Marvel would bring that trained surgeon part of his background. Wouldn't that be interesting? Let's have Thor and Strange do an open heart surgery
I think a simpler and maybe better "origin" for the Thor/Donald Blake thing would be Odin banishing Thor and turning him into a mortal stripped of his godly memories and powers, becoming Donald Blake. After 10 years, Donald would travel to Norway and recover Mjolnir, restoring Thor's memories and powers. Donald Blake would be Thor's mortal disguise amongst humanity, similar to Martian Manhunter's disguise as Detective John Jones. Thor is the real identity while Don Blake is the disguise.
I agree. I think any time they try to make Donald Blake more than just an alternate identity for Thor it just over-complicates matters.
That's always been my ideal vision on Thor's origin, but I'd not have the cane part because that just seems really unnecessary. I'd also have Blake turn into Thor by lifting Mjolnir for the first time to save others. Hitting the cane seems too much like a Shazam type switch, because he would just keep going on and off everytime he hits something with Mjolnir lol.
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@@radrno7I think he had to tap it three times to change into Thor.
My fave character since I got a copy of when Thor went to Hel to rescue Baldur when it came out. The Walt Simonson run was so damn awesome
I'm so glad that you didn't include any of Jason Aaron's nonsensical retcons that had Odin wielding Mjolnïr thousands of years before Thor's birth and the Phoenix Force bringing the dead infant Thor back to life and claiming that that made her his second mother....😑
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I kinda liked that story line tying the Phoenix force to Thor is different
Relatively new retcons
That never really happened at all.
Ignore all of Marvel after 2015. Between Avengers BC and Krakoa all continuity is shot because of breathtaking editorial incompetence.
Yes! You're doing a video on the character I'm gonna be cosplaying as at the this years Rhode island Comic-Con!
Fuck yeah!! Have a great time!!
Damnit i have yet to go to that one.
I like the ORIGINAL origin of Donald Blake and Thor because to me it made more sense.
There's the Poetic Edda, the Prose Edda, and the Marvel Edda.
Jason Aaron knows how to f#$k up a Thor story.
I love thor and his origins
If you did the origin of one of the original Avengers, are you going to do history of Steve Rodgers Captain America, Tony Stark Iron Man and Bruce Banner the Incredible Hulk next?
I really like these Early History of Marvel characters really takes me back to when the comics were actually good.
Awesome video ❤
What would have happened if Loki got a weapon similar to Gungnir just like Thor if he didn't try to take Gungnir itself?
Loving these videos keep it up MM 😎👍🏽💯
I love this channel so muuuuch!🙋♂️💪💖
To me, Thor Odinson will always be the Mighty Thor no matter what any and everybody says. He is my favorite Avenger!
This is GREAT! The back story of one of my favorite Marvel characters.
I say thee.....
Another great video!
Thank you 🙏
great video as always, could you do doctor strange next?
Thanks 😊
Can you do a Deathlock origin? Love your work btw...
Do a history of frankie raye video
26:40 bro is that the friggin coomer meme?
"OMG, GUYS! LOOK, IT'S CHRIS HEMSWORTH! AAAAAAAHHHH!"
Amazing
In the myth however when Mjolnir was made is different.
After Loki chopped off Thor’s girlfriend Sif’s hair, Thor forced Loki to go to Nidavellir to convince the dwarves Brok and Etri to replace Sif’s hair as well as give the gods magical gifts. But it had to exchange Loki’s head.
When the dwarves began making the hammer, Loki scared of losing his head decides to cheat his way by turning into a wasp and stung Brok, which causes the handle of Mjolnir to snap off, therefore the hammer now has a short handle.
As the gods get their gifts; Odin with his spear, Thor with his hammer, Freyja with her golden boar, Freyr with golden bracelets and Sif with a new set of hair, Loki finally agrees to give his head away to the dwarves, but only without damaging his neck. Brok and Etri were enraged and cheated by the impossibility, so Odin decides to instead sow Loki’s mouth shut temporarily.
Can you do history of Lady Sif, the Warrior three, Mongoose, Bloodaxe, Brunnhilde Valkyrie, Heimdall, and Skurge the Executioner along with the Thor Villains like the Destroyer, Malekith the Accursed, Hela the Goddess of Death, Surtur, Dario Agger the Minotaur, Ulik, Kurse, the Enchantress, Gorr the God Butcher and Mangog?
Can you do history of the Living_Brain, the Elementals, Cyclone, Hydro Man, Molten Man, the Spot, Sandman, Rom_the_Spaceknight, Stingray, Quasar, Starbrand, Nightmask, Ava Ayala the White Tiger, Century, Lore and Technovore?
What do you think Mjolnir would be like for Thor if the worthiness enchantment wasn't put into it after all it's used to help Thor in controlling his lightning?
As everyone sees now, vintage Thor is better 💪👍💪
Great video Thor is my favorite.can you do a video about the kree empire, skrull empire and shiar. Also the other god pantheons. Also rom space knight.
I really like the Thor / Donald Blake stories you should make a whole history video about Donald Blake.
The mighty Thor story line
O.K., this week you answered one of my oldest questions: are Don Blake and Thor like Rick Jones and Captain Marvel, two people who cannot exist simultaneously in the same dimension; or are they like Bruce Banner and the Hulk, one being with different personalities and physicality's? Answer: sigh... both.
"Rick Jones and Captain Marvel?" I think you mean Billy Batson?
Nope, Marvel's Captain Marvel. He and Rick Jones (the same RJ who was side kick to the Hulk in the 60s and Cap America in the 70s). Go to a channel called Cosmic Comics for the story (it's another great channel).
I like how they recently solved Thor parantage (of Gaia and Phoenix) in avengers comics... It is good they kept Gaia her birth mother in the end (and now Thor has THREE mothers XD)
Y! The Phoenix didn't MAKE any sense
Sorry But I Don't The Phoenix As
Thor's Mother But Gaea The Goddess
Of Earth...Is Thor's True Mother!
The true mother is Frigga!
Finally we get The Mighty Thor Origin I for one ❤ The idea of jane taking Up the Mantl
Can you do one for Hippolyta from marvel comics .
Do Captain America!
It's Too Bad The Movies Didn't Add Thor's Secret Identity Dr.Donald Blake
Onslaught, please 🙏
So Thor and Valkrie were once reincarnated as human siblings.....who had an incestuous relationship?
And Thors adventures actually inspired both the Legends of Beowülf and Sigfreed the Dragon Slayer?
I like the explanation better that Donald Blake was always just Thor with altered memories with a body roughly based on some other guy. Everything about that other explanation is too much of a mess.
As much I love this type of the story where the hero has to learn humility (as I like to say: The best super hero origin aren't the ones that show the hero reciving his powers. It's the ones that show why he is worthy of the powers) I'm not fan of Thor origin in the comics. The idea of him going to Earth and learning to care for others it's fine but having him losing his memories just turns him into complete different character, not allowing the readers to see character emotional journey, learning from his mistakes and becoming more mature and responsible.
He's a God that forgets every other day because he has lived hundreds of years and multiple times so It wouldn't be a first my friend
Can you do history of the Elementals(Hellfire, Magnum, Hydron and Zephyr), Bastion, Master Mold, Nimrod, Inferno, Victorious, Night Nurse, Moondragon, Phyla_Vell and Genis-Vell along with the Supreme Intelligence, Mole_Man and Angel/Archangel along with Exodus and Ex-Nhilo?
Who are the "First Line" that you reference in this video?
They were in a comic called "Marvel: The Lost Generation" which takes place between the 50s and the Marvel Age.
This is very confusing. I remember watching early cartoons of Thor as DR. Blake turning into Thor with the strike of his cane for awhile. Even in early comics he couldn't be without his hammer for long when he was fighting against other super heroes and this is the one with a bad leg. I don't know about any other version. A little while ago there was a comic having Blake finding out he was nothing more than a play thing for Thor and completely losing it and wanting to get even. I saw this on RUclips. Plus I thought his name was Dr. Drake. What comic or comics would have this information.
My dad bought me all the early Marvel comics he could afford, way back in the 60's.
I remember reading how Dr. Donald Blake, MD was exploring caves in Norway, despite being lame, and being alone. He found an ancient sarcophagus containing the body of a warrior. He stepped back in shock, striking his cane on the floor to support him and transformed into Thor.
It was a bit Hulk/Banner, with his Thor persona despising the "weak and feeble" Blake.
Back in New York, Blake resumed his career as a physician, alongside his nurse, Jane Foster.
The first Thor movie paid homage to Blake, as Jane's ex, with Thor assuming his identity temporarily
They got rid of the hammer weakness in like the mid 70s so that's been gone (in comics) for a long time. The Donald Blake issue gets stupidly complicated. gonna copy and paste this here:
-Journey into Mystery #83 (1962, Don Blake was implicitly presented as a normal doctor who found the hammer of Thor and began channeling the Thunder God as they shared a single life and experiences.
-In Thor #159 (1968), Odin revealed that Don Blake was merely a magical construct, specifically engineered to present Thor with the opportunity to learn the lesson of humility Odin sought to teach him. Blake had no past before Odin willed him into being to be inhabited by Thor.
-Thor Anual #11 (1983) is when the Norns (the Norse Goddesses of Fate) learned that Donald Blake, while a magical construct created by Odin, was based on a template of a man with similar features and was given a false life and memories to make him an even more convincing entity.
-In Mighty Thor #415 (1990), Eric Masterson accessed the memories that he now shared with Thor and recalled that Odin had used Keith Kincaid, then a young medical student, as a template for a physical, mental and emotional duplicate who became Donald Blake.
-The Mighty Thor #475-484 (1994) was when the idea of Donald Blake being an actual seperate entity from Thor, and not just a hollow shell/magical construct in the shape/image of a preexisting human as previously believed. Moreover, there was an actual real life man named Donald Blake, and the idea of Keith Kincaid being a template was a lie creates by Odin. Every time Blake was transforming, Thor was possessing this person and overriding his existence , causing Blake to go into a state of suspended animation within Thor . And when Thor would transform back the real Donald Blake had no idea what was going on. Overtime, Thor had unwittingly absorbed an aspect of Donald Black, which allowed him to assume the form of identity without ever possessing the original. This was used to explain how sometimes Donald Blake did know what was going on and was clearly acting on the memories of Thor. But Thor/the False Blake had no knowledge of the real one prior to this revelation. But that meant that they were basically two Donald Blake's running around. The storyline concluded with Thor trying to find the real Donald Blake and restore him, only for the Asgardiqn Sigynd to destroy him, thus resolving the issue of the 2 Donald Blakes. So now Odin's magical construct (which existed as an aspect of Thor) remained the only Donald Blake.
-and pretty much every writer sends completely ignore the above storyline because it's so convoluted that no one wants to deal with it. It was immediately retconned and so many different ways it's impossible to post all the issues.
-Fantastic Four# 536/537 (2006) & Mighty Thor Vol 2 (2011) pretty much clean up the mess that happened between the 90s and 2000s, once again re-establishing that Donald Blake was a magical construct created by odin, but he existed with his own memories and personal (which were false) . Odin created him as a vessel to place Thor into in order for Thor to gain humility. As for why Odin just didn't create a lifeless shell and then give the amnesiac Thor false memories (instead dof creating a living being), comics.
-Thor Volume 2 basically goes over all of this and gives Donald Blake a happy send-off concluding the false life character. Thor Vol2 (by Matt Fraction) seriously deserves more praise because it cleaned up/condensed the canon in a way that made sense and all subsequent writers, from AL Ewing to Jason Aaron to Donny Cates reference it (whether they realize it or not).
-Mark Waid's 2019/2020's History of the Marvel Universe vol 2 also works to condense the history and make sense of the many retcons of all of Marvel. Some issues reference Donald Blake, but mostly use the condensed history by Matt Fraction.
-Donny Cates' Thor vol 6 (2020-current) brought back Donald Blake. All of the previous existing information was (mostly) Canon-minus the (retconned) nonsense of "there are actually 2 different Donald Blakes" (which every subsequent writer thought was stupid and ignored). This run deals with the Fallout of Odin's death (again), Thor becoming the King of Asgard (again), and inheriting the Odin Force (again) following the end of Jason Aaron's run.
Apparently, when Odin did away with the Donald Blake personal at the end of Thor vol 2, he had put the spirit and essence of Blake in a paradise-like dream world where he's free live out his own life separate from Thor. Unfortunately, Odin's death in Aaron's run caused the paradise world to fall apart turning into a nightmarish hell that tortured the Blake and destroyed his psyche. We also learn that since Donald Blake was created by Odin, but is an aspect of Thor, but also is own separate person, he's technically a son of Odin too. Therefore he can tap into Thor's Godly powers and the Odin Force (now called the Thor Force). To put it simply, he comes back with God Powers but is mentally unhinged, being reduced to being a full homidical maniac-he uses a surgical scalpel to cut into and murder people in the most gruesome way possible. And he's hell-bent on killing all of Thor's allies and anyone that had it and even remotely friendly relationship with Odin. He also went on murder happy stalker on both Sif and Jane Foster.
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You had me until they gave Blake powers. That's just stupid. Blake (if what has been shown to us so far is true) is nothing but a magically engineered human with false memories, where he might have been born through magic, but he's not a true son of Odin.
I mean, they could give him powers by changing his previously established character, like giving him a magical item or putting some enchantment into him, but not just assume "oh he was created by Odin, so he is his son and can use Odinforce". That's nonsensical and just lame. If it's that easy, Odin would have an entire army wielding his powers.
Also, Sigin didn't, nor would she ever, create him with that purpose, since she would never aid someone else to also have Odin's powers and become another foe to her or Loki.
@@radrno7I agree. Giving Blake Powers and turning him into a deranged murder happy psychopath it's all part of the Odin is a an irredeemable/abusive/alcoholic father arc. Jason Aaron started it in his second (Jane Foster) Mighty Thor run, and Donny Cates concluded by redeeming Odin (with his death) and making Blake the new God of lies and evil (replacing Loki, who has been the God of Stories and an Anti-hero). Loki even gave Blake the same fate (Trapped in a cave, with a serpents venom dripping on him for eternity) the same punishment that he originally received in the past. I wasn't really about that take on everything it's a bit too much for me. They should have just stuck with Blake ceasing to exist because he was no longer needed rather than giving him full independent personhood. Orders giving him independent personhood and then sun setting him, rather than all of this.
Am I the only one who thinks Fandral looks a lot like Green Arrow from DC? I don't know maybe it's the blonde hair and gotee.
Definitely, but I think that's because they were both likely influenced by classic portrayals of Robin Hood, specifically Errol Flynn's from 1938.
@@MerryMarvelite yeah, I think you’re right.
Can you do a video on the spider-man villain white rabbit
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Where does this image appear?
The image in the background during the Patron credits is the cover to Thor: Son of Asgard #12.
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Thank you!!!!
Still begging for my Mole Man vid..😁
Read up on him...he's literally the Kevin Bacon of Marvel comics. He's always 2 links away.
I actually kind of like old Harvey .
What do you think is the best thing about Thor in both the Comics and other media like the MCU? Which one of his powers and abilities do you think is the best?
NOT MCU 199999
What comic did Thor fought the vampire lord varnae?
That was from a short story in Marvel Comics Presents #63 from 1990. Sadly, I don't believe that comic has been reprinted or released digitally yet.
They sure time travel and get their memories erased a lot.
Can you do history of Ironheart, Amatsu-Mikaboshi, Arno_Stark Iron Man, Eric Masterson_AKA_Thunderstrike, Amadeus_Cho, the Griever, Pepper Potts AKA Rescue and the Agents of Atlas along with Crescent, Morgan_Le_Fey, White Fox and Luna Snow?
Pretty sure he said this video leads into the Eric Masterson video. I could be mistaken
Thank goodness Odin erased Thor's memories, can you imagine explaining to your son that he had an incestous relationship and died 2. times.
Vert thorough
Lit
Who is older, Thor or Loki?
Thor
@@robertrowley4929 source?
@@leyenda6149 he was old enough to see Loki when Odin brought him home from Jotunheim.
@@robertrowley4929 issue plz
@@leyenda6149 oh that. I learned it from the mcu.
What do you think is the best thing about Thor in the comics and what do you think is the most humble thing he has ever done? What do you think he would be like if Donald Blake never existed?
Oh, he'd be a straight up douche without Blake. Loved the Beta Ray Bill fight where he changed back to Blake and lost the hammer. But Odin is a welching whore, taking that shit back
what happened to Frigga is beyond me they completely screwed her character design. She still had this appearance when Thor was grown during the Ragnarök issues. Some cluck decided to make her a stick doll grandma with pumpkin hair.
was this in any particular order? because it sure as hell wasnt chronological...
You didn't mention how Thor was created for the comics.
Getting rid of THOR'S HAMMER is blasphemous... ..that's like getting rid of Green Lantern 's ring and making it a ribbon.....
You been working out then I hope
Thor has no equal
Who do you think is the best love interest for Thor between Lady Sif and Amora the Enchantress? Do you think we will see one of these two being the love interest for Thor in the MCU?
If Marvel decide to make another Thor film. I think Love & Thunder already give good ending to the character. There's no need to show him having another love interest.
Well they completely forgot about Lady Sif, butchered Jane Foster twice and neither Amora or Brunhilde have even been mentioned, so yeah, I don't think there's any hope at that.
2:20 It's pronounced "Nee-dah-vah-leer"
Can you do history of Master Pandemonium, Sleepwalker, D'Spayre, Chthon, Mephisto, Black heart, Dormammu, Clea, Nightmare and Pkzkrfmknna along with Firestar and Vance_Astrovik AKA Justice?
Are you going to do history of lesser known characters like Rom_the_Spaceknight, Stingray, Ultimo, Inferno, Victorious, Flerken, Blacklash, Deathlok, Elematrix, Vertigo, Titanium_Man, Crimson Dynamo, Dreadknight, Hypnotia, Blizzard, Quasar, Starbrand, Nightmask, Bastion, Master Mold, Nimrod, Starhawk, Fixer, Whirlwind, Chemistro, Whiplash, the Controller, Madam_Masque, Count_Nefaria, Ava Ayala the White Tiger, Century, Lore and Technovore?
2 adopted children. Was Frigga barren?
1990s DC bloodlines with the cool aliens do it
SKAL and much love ODINSON
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I Know the ancient THOR from the Norse Myth will always come first
but i still adore the Marvel version of him that Stan lee gave us
well for the most part...
is very Heavy Metal and my fav Marvel super hero aside the X-MEN as a whole
no, most of what i truly love of THOR comes from NORSE MYTH and Spiritual believes of Paganism
but when i talk about this version of Thor, as far i know it was Stan lee who came with the original idea of bringing into the marvel universe
same goes for the X-Men
but hey all my respect to JK
i know he was also a mega HUGE force of pure talent and influences
When are you going to do history of America-Chavez in honour of the release of Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness?
The real thor not the thor of mcu
Thor enemies I hope join the MCU:
ARES
APOCALYPSE
BLOODAXE
DOCTOR DOOM
GALACTUS
GREY GARGOYLE
JUGGERNAUT
KING COBRA
MANGOG
MEPHISTO
MIDGARD SERPENT
MONGOOSE
PLUTO
QUICKSAND
RADIOACTIVE MAN
RAGNAROK
ULIK
YMIR
Gaia only took Odin as a husband because the Phoenix talked her into it, as told in the Avengers 1,000,000BC one shot
and Odin sort of divorced her right after Thor was born
during Thor's birth, Laufey and his Frost Giants attacked, because the Avengers B.C. kinda ruined his love making with an alien, so Thor was stillborn, but Phoenix Force saved him using her awesome cosmic powers, and that was why she recently told Thor that she is his mother in a sense, but Odin and Gaea are still his biological parents
Makes u wonder where in the hell they came up with these names and story's from. Lol..
I hate the story around the ring. Cringy af.
I honestly debated whether or not I wanted to include it but since it's referenced in official handbooks and helps provide context to the order of certain events I decided to keep it in the video. Definitely weird, though.
Thor: "B-but... Siglinda was so hot tho..."