This was great, more of these please! Always fascinating to see just how much overlap is in various two handed sword techniques (European long sword, Japanese katana, etc) With small but important cultural or contextual differences jumping out.
A lot of these positions, guards, are also used with the zweihander, German great sword. As the katana has a lot of crossovers with the German longsword. So, no matter what culture you go with, there are certain guard positions are used in similar conditions.
Others have noted the same thing. But please note that this is Not a katana, but rather a Chinese long saber, generally referred to as a "Miaodao" these days. Chinese has a tradition of Longswords dating back 2,000 years. ruclips.net/video/h8e8X2kcdEk/видео.html
Fiore: 1 Posta Longa/posta breve 2 Coda Longa 3 Posta di donna 4 Dente de zenghiar 5 ?`Posta de fenestra Liechtenauer: 1 Langort 2 Seithut/Nebenhut 3 vom Tag 4 Alber 5 Hängentort
I thought the same thing! They are quite similar as far as I can tell. The only difference is with what he calls the "Skyward-posture". In the chinese system he presents the sword is slanted slightly forward towards the opponent whereas "Vom Tag" has the sword leaning to the back with closed ellbows and the hilt close to the shoulders and the head concealing also a bit the sword length as in "Nebenhut".
@@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 At least as far as Fiore goes, the first 4 are very much analogs. The explanations for the usage of those guards is pretty much identical to my Fiore instructor's explanations. Obviously, with a double edged longsword, the Duck Down Posture isn't in Fiore, but it is somewhat like Finestra (the window guard).
@@stefanfranke5651 the slight forward angle of the blade in the Skyward Posture allows for a little quicker downward cut or deflection. It might also appear a bit more intimidating to the duifang.
Thanks for your support. Miaodao and it's cousins, the Dandao and Dadao, are an active part of the curriculum at the Academy - www.chineseswordacademy.com/
This is my favorite new video you made. I liked the historical illustrations of the stances and your demonstrations of them. This is a fantastic summary of all the long saber stances.
Excellent presentation, thanks. Regarding “shape”, I apply the verb to my opponent more than to the battlefield. Then again, my core art is the close-quarters knife, which is less “military”. I love your videos, and would love to spar with you, with respect. You are the real deal. 🙏🏼
I find "shape" works equally well when speaking of the duifang's body position, vis-à-vis his stance, sword positon, etc, and his actual position on "the board,: i.e. where he is standing in relation to me and others if present.
Those stances remind me of chuudan (water stance), waki (metal stance), jodan (fire stance) + hasso (wood stance), gedan (earth stance), and lastly kasumi (mist stance). These five stances are very similar to the main stances in kenjutsu and their application is similar too in many areas. The water stance is great for reacting to all situations like you said, metal is to hide your sword length especially when sword lengths could varied greatly, fire stance is the do or die stance where you skip the 'raising the sword up' part and can cut down whenever but you leave yourself open, the wood is actually the fire stance but was adopted because the large samurai helmets made the fire stance hard to perform, the earth stance is the most defensive style as you also shown here, and kasumi is like a hybrid fire stance that can be used for thrusts and parries too it reminds me of the european ox stance. Most of these stances have left and right sided versions too and can be changed fluidly in battle like metal into mist to thrust. Overall though I see a lot of similarities here, amazing video.
Interesting how each stance is related to an element, thanks for the added info. Many Chinese Arts categorize techniques by the Five Element (Metal, Water, Wood, Fire, Earth). Four as you know is generally avoided as it is the same sound as the word for death. These categorizations can be useful, but also a bit of a straight jacket at times because things sometimes "must" be seen through the filter of these five.
Like any weapon it evolves and drew inspiration from many sources. Long blades in China have been recorded since the warring states period. Tang and later Song Dynasties also made their contributions. Then there is the inspiration from Japan.
@@426mak the irony is that the katana itself was inspired by the Tang swords from China. So is this later Chinese saber a "Japanese" inspired sword, or a resurrection of an earlier Chinese design the Ming were reminded of?
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This was great, more of these please!
Always fascinating to see just how much overlap is in various two handed sword techniques (European long sword, Japanese katana, etc)
With small but important cultural or contextual differences jumping out.
Thanks, we never tired of hearing that.
What sort of cultural differences do you see between the systems from different cultures/regions?
Great video! I bet Xingyi would work well with that ;-)
Maybe, but isn’t Xingyi the Art of the Bad Guys/
A lot of these positions, guards, are also used with the zweihander, German great sword. As the katana has a lot of crossovers with the German longsword. So, no matter what culture you go with, there are certain guard positions are used in similar conditions.
Others have noted the same thing. But please note that this is Not a katana, but rather a Chinese long saber, generally referred to as a "Miaodao" these days.
Chinese has a tradition of Longswords dating back 2,000 years. ruclips.net/video/h8e8X2kcdEk/видео.html
Indeed, sooner of later, those beginning from different points can often end up with the same conclusions after years of trail and error.
@@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 . Trial & error, not trail & error......from the grammar police. Thank you!
Fiore:
1 Posta Longa/posta breve
2 Coda Longa
3 Posta di donna
4 Dente de zenghiar
5 ?`Posta de fenestra
Liechtenauer:
1 Langort
2 Seithut/Nebenhut
3 vom Tag
4 Alber
5 Hängentort
Just to clarify, you’re saying that these 5 Ready Stances presented here have analogs in Fiore and Liechtenauer? How similar are these?
I thought the same thing! They are quite similar as far as I can tell. The only difference is with what he calls the "Skyward-posture". In the chinese system he presents the sword is slanted slightly forward towards the opponent whereas "Vom Tag" has the sword leaning to the back with closed ellbows and the hilt close to the shoulders and the head concealing also a bit the sword length as in "Nebenhut".
@@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 At least as far as Fiore goes, the first 4 are very much analogs. The explanations for the usage of those guards is pretty much identical to my Fiore instructor's explanations. Obviously, with a double edged longsword, the Duck Down Posture isn't in Fiore, but it is somewhat like Finestra (the window guard).
@@jaydavis2679 thanks for the input.
@@stefanfranke5651 the slight forward angle of the blade in the Skyward Posture allows for a little quicker downward cut or deflection. It might also appear a bit more intimidating to the duifang.
That so cool
Thank for Miaodao videos is very hard to see them
Thanks for your support. Miaodao and it's cousins, the Dandao and Dadao, are an active part of the curriculum at the Academy - www.chineseswordacademy.com/
This is my favorite new video you made. I liked the historical illustrations of the stances and your demonstrations of them. This is a fantastic summary of all the long saber stances.
Thanks, we've got more in the works...
Hello! Do you offer classes for Chinese Longsword? I am in Toronto and would love to learn it.
Excellent presentation, thanks. Regarding “shape”, I apply the verb to my opponent more than to the battlefield. Then again, my core art is the close-quarters knife, which is less “military”. I love your videos, and would love to spar with you, with respect. You are the real deal. 🙏🏼
I find "shape" works equally well when speaking of the duifang's body position, vis-à-vis his stance, sword positon, etc, and his actual position on "the board,: i.e. where he is standing in relation to me and others if present.
Those stances remind me of chuudan (water stance), waki (metal stance), jodan (fire stance) + hasso (wood stance), gedan (earth stance), and lastly kasumi (mist stance). These five stances are very similar to the main stances in kenjutsu and their application is similar too in many areas. The water stance is great for reacting to all situations like you said, metal is to hide your sword length especially when sword lengths could varied greatly, fire stance is the do or die stance where you skip the 'raising the sword up' part and can cut down whenever but you leave yourself open, the wood is actually the fire stance but was adopted because the large samurai helmets made the fire stance hard to perform, the earth stance is the most defensive style as you also shown here, and kasumi is like a hybrid fire stance that can be used for thrusts and parries too it reminds me of the european ox stance. Most of these stances have left and right sided versions too and can be changed fluidly in battle like metal into mist to thrust. Overall though I see a lot of similarities here, amazing video.
Interesting, thanks for the post.
Interesting how each stance is related to an element, thanks for the added info. Many Chinese Arts categorize techniques by the Five Element (Metal, Water, Wood, Fire, Earth). Four as you know is generally avoided as it is the same sound as the word for death.
These categorizations can be useful, but also a bit of a straight jacket at times because things sometimes "must" be seen through the filter of these five.
Thanks for the share brother , good words good vibes ….. The Tao is strong here 🔥
Be well ✝️
Thanks, my pleasure!
Thanks!
Where did you get that Miao Dao from? Thanks in advance.
LK Chen sells miao dao.
Like any weapon it evolves and drew inspiration from many sources. Long blades in China have been recorded since the warring states period. Tang and later Song Dynasties also made their contributions. Then there is the inspiration from Japan.
@@426makyou didn’t answer his question at all lol
@@regulus6773 My bad, thought he meant where the Miao Dao in general came from.
@@426mak the irony is that the katana itself was inspired by the Tang swords from China. So is this later Chinese saber a "Japanese" inspired sword, or a resurrection of an earlier Chinese design the Ming were reminded of?
Where did you get that Miao Dao from?
The Miaodao Rodell Laoshi wields in this video is a prototype. CAS is planning a Rodell Cutting Miaodao in the new year...
@@mugenGRTC please keep us updated for this sword debut.
@@davidwashington1869 will do.
@@davidwashington1869 will do...