Function over form everyday! I know there are a lot of people who are talking trash, but understand out west we hit crazy terrain at high speeds so this is going to be great!!! There is a reason this isn't replacing the X3, they know this won't work for everyone.
Narf? Narf narf narf forsure form instead of functional narf narf.. what a ugly ass coat hanger. If its so great and “functional” why would no rave trucks ever have used it? Its ugly and dumb
I think it's an EXCELLENT and innovative design solution. The only downside is maybe getting mud jammed up between the top of the tire and the upper control arm/knuckle if running 35's.
Gotta love it. If see this you look twice and it's makes the car drive and beahve better. So what more you want? Hope some more companies take this as an example and start thinking outside the box.
I think the new suspension looks cool. When I first saw the spy photos it looked odd, but now that I understand the engineering is has grown on me. I think the biggest advantage is less body roll.
@@vintagetrikesandquads4012 They know more about it than i do and I'm sure there is something to it. 78" wide doesn't hurt the feeling of stability either lol
They fixed a problem that didnt exist in 98% of instances. They have created problems in the process. They didnt need a 4 foot tall knuckle etc to change lower roll center and add camber gain (reduce lateral scrub).
Thanks for the video, but how does load, translate to driving improvements? Did they mention a reduction in track change, or bumpsteer. I'm sure reduced load helps with reliability, just curious to see why "load reduction" is the main story regarding this setup.
I'm making an assumption, but Can Am might be focusing on the load because it's easier to explain and display. Maybe they don't feel they can easily explain bump steer, scrub radius, etc and the affects on handling to the average Joe. Just a thought.
I would be okay with the looks, but not being able to go with a bigger tire is pathetic. Can-Am needs to make a stronger chassis instead. Riveting to the frame to weld it together is below Chinese standards. Yep, I own a 2020 X3 and I can tell that the only thing that CAN AM did right was the design with a Rotax and Fox, but the built quality is laughable. Time will tell...
@ttp8973 A couple videos on the demo ride (I watched Cletus') say they were told it can fit a 35" tire. Not every 35 on the market but it is just big enough for a 35.
I remember when the test suspension came out on the 2013 maverick. I bought one, and it was very lackluster at best. Went back to a rzr. Maybe this will be different but time will tell...
I ride in El mirage it's very rocky in some areas and they are the sharp gaged kind that like to get stuck in things, I'm curious if time will tell about rocks and other debris getting stuck or wedged between the tire and knuckle support it looks pretty tight between the sidewall of the tire and the metal brace.
that extra weight didnt disappear from the scale... when you change the pivot point there. it transfers the weight over to the shock.. so either suspension is going to be great or beat to hell within the first year.
It's all about mechanical advantage. It's not about the weight "disappearing" It's the fact that the old design multiplies that initial 500 pound load and transfers it elsewhere and the new design lessons that. Notice both designs are higher than the initial 500 pound input, just the fact that the old suspension magnifies that much more than the new tall knuckle.
I think what he is saying is the x3 total weight load adds up to 1265 and the R’s total load only adds up to 744… if that cylinder was pushing evenly wouldn’t they add up the same? I’m asking and thinking at the same time… lol
@@tnross23nope. Because it’s not weight, it’s leverage. It’s why you can wrench harder with a longer handle. You push the same amount, but a longer handle can double the torque.
My thought is that the side loads have never really been a problem. However, shock double sheer in the front and a weaker frame has. Seems like they went a little too far.
Biggest gripe seems to be about tire size, but the R can fit 35s. If you're someone who runs 37s or bigger, then the whole awesome suspension geometry is probably not as important for you. Get the X3. Maybe Can-Am can stuff the bigger powertrain into the X3 for that kind of thing.
BMW and pretty much every european car has been using knuckles that like for like 20 years. WTF is everyone on about, is everyone in this comment section totally clueless about cars?
Congrats to CAN-AM on moving the bar in automotive sports; proving that the little car that could has a lotta guts and more to offer than just dune buggy. Watch out Legacy Auto
This is just a nice promotion for those who have not studied the calculation of materials under load. They installed sensors in only one place. It is not right. This doesn't say anything about the mechanism at all. A 3D CAD model would tell you how loaded the mechanism is. But of course they didn’t introduce it.
the left side is not an accurate set up for the X3 suspension. At least not on my 2019 XDS - i just changed out the front a arm bushings to brass with the steel inserts with the additional bracing. I feel the huge strength issue is the arm is not held on both sides " like a C " bracket . the top and bottom are basically straight bolts mounted only on one side of the chassis with a nut on the end . Yes the front now has a plate on it but they all still hand off the back bolts . This to me is not a good set up and this mock up is not a true rendering of the X3 . now the other side ( new ) given hw cheap and flimsy the castings are from Can Am , the whole things screams "sitting at the side of the trail" with expensive parts to fix ... my whole outlook on my 2019 XDS 4 seat is its not well built and i never feel confident that something will not break. I have gone through so much in what i feel are required upgrades but the machine is still not reliable.
Space the older style out to what a real front is. Then show me stress and pounds. It’s a pricier sales game to make you think your better so people will trade for new styles that have proven in the rocky trails of eastern Ky to be junk.
Dont dont know why anyone would want that top ball joint out over the wheel, when you can just bring it in 6 inches to just inside the wheel and up outa the way..
It has a lot to do with maintaining steering geometry and reducing hub loading. Many cars have suspension just like this, but since they are not super long travel they don't stick up out the hood.
Show me something that makes sense for performance and longevity. Build some better components, and ditch the ugly. What happens when rocks or sticks come up into this monument knuckle design? Now limited on tire size, what a 33” ? Can’t say I am impressed with this one. Sorry guys.
I think the other design that was floating around still came to the top of tire so the speed would've been the same an would been a little more popular with most with that be said a far as racing goes it's going to be better so I get it going to the center going to Eliminate all the bump steering an the over all the or roll an be more stable definitely going to be a beast an o the long race they will be a lot less Fatigue did they need to progress that much to be on the Podium I don't think so an for what they are promoting it for it boss I believe but I think if they would' put these other design on for the Mr an rc it would be a win win anit would've make truly purpose built like they have been doing all this time with not a hole lot but but stickers it kinda sucks paying 3000 thousand extra for basically stickers an I bet if you put it that same test probably would get about the same only with a little anti roll because not only the tire Issues but I'm pretty a good end dindo down the mt an a big rock hits it don't think it's going to stand up but we will see for the one that wants it different they will have kits to change it I'm sure
I see people saying this but ya’ll don’t seem to be aware of the fact that the trophy truck class is unlimited except for the body. Suspension and tires have to be tucked under the fibreglass. You couldn’t make this suspension work on a trophy truck while respecting that rule (hence why the Maverick R has huge cut outs where the fenders would be on the Maverick X3). Also keep in mind that most trophy trucks are built by family shops or small companies meanwhile Can-Am is part of a multi-billion dollar organization so they have a lot more R&D budget and engineers at their disposal to explore concepts like this. Not impossible to conceive how if you throw enough money at the project, you could build a better suspension system than the trophy truck guys.
Unfortunately those numbers can be made to read what ever you want depending on what the shocks are set at. Unless I set them myself I’ll never believe those values. Sorry guys but this is a advertising gimmick.
I would be okay with the looks, but not being able to go with a bigger tire is pathetic. Can-Am needs to make a stronger chassis instead. Riveting to the frame to weld it together is below Chinese standards. Yep, I own a 2020 X3 and I can tell that the only thing that CAN AM did right was the design with a Rotax and Fox, but the built quality is laughable.
Function over form everyday! I know there are a lot of people who are talking trash, but understand out west we hit crazy terrain at high speeds so this is going to be great!!! There is a reason this isn't replacing the X3, they know this won't work for everyone.
100% agree, but the more I look at that machine, the more I like it. It also is quiet, no chatter or uncomfortable sounds
Ya time will tell , sure it looks weird , but if it's better than what's out there everyone will want it
Narf? Narf narf narf forsure form instead of functional narf narf.. what a ugly ass coat hanger. If its so great and “functional” why would no rave trucks ever have used it? Its ugly and dumb
Definitely cool, but if a rock or log gets wedged in there at speed!!?? Looks like even a good rollover would hurt?? Time will tell??
Great way to look at it!
One of those pictures that tell a 1,000 words things!
The concept is great and the geometry backs it up!!! Artic cat did this years ago, it track much better with the tire staying flat.
I think it's an EXCELLENT and innovative design solution. The only downside is maybe getting mud jammed up between the top of the tire and the upper control arm/knuckle if running 35's.
A couple of times up on the podium and everyone bashing this suspension will be put to rest as a bad memory. Lets go Can-Am! Love it!
Gotta love it. If see this you look twice and it's makes the car drive and beahve better. So what more you want? Hope some more companies take this as an example and start thinking outside the box.
How does applying load to the inside of the tire relate to off roading?
How much more does it weigh and cost to make? It also looks like there is less clearance under the lower arm close to the tire.
Here’s what I think looking at that knuckle. One more expensive part to replace to fix something that isn’t that broke.
Why didnt they do fox 3.0's up front like polaris? Was expecting them to..
Nice explanation, thank you
You're welcome!
I think the new suspension looks cool. When I first saw the spy photos it looked odd, but now that I understand the engineering is has grown on me. I think the biggest advantage is less body roll.
doesn't have anything to do with body roll. that would be the sway bar taking care of that.
@@nwhuckin7761 It does reduce body roll--they even said so. The higher arm allows more leverage against the frame. Pay attention.
@@vintagetrikesandquads4012 But it pushes less force at the higher point. It all ends up being the same. Its bs
@@nwhuckin7761 Less force but a longer lever arm.
@@vintagetrikesandquads4012 They know more about it than i do and I'm sure there is something to it. 78" wide doesn't hurt the feeling of stability either lol
They fixed a problem that didnt exist in 98% of instances. They have created problems in the process. They didnt need a 4 foot tall knuckle etc to change lower roll center and add camber gain (reduce lateral scrub).
Thanks for the video, but how does load, translate to driving improvements? Did they mention a reduction in track change, or bumpsteer. I'm sure reduced load helps with reliability, just curious to see why "load reduction" is the main story regarding this setup.
I'm making an assumption, but Can Am might be focusing on the load because it's easier to explain and display. Maybe they don't feel they can easily explain bump steer, scrub radius, etc and the affects on handling to the average Joe. Just a thought.
I would be okay with the looks, but not being able to go with a bigger tire is pathetic. Can-Am needs to make a stronger chassis instead. Riveting to the frame to weld it together is below Chinese standards. Yep, I own a 2020 X3 and I can tell that the only thing that CAN AM did right was the design with a Rotax and Fox, but the built quality is laughable. Time will tell...
@ttp8973 A couple videos on the demo ride (I watched Cletus') say they were told it can fit a 35" tire. Not every 35 on the market but it is just big enough for a 35.
I remember when the test suspension came out on the 2013 maverick. I bought one, and it was very lackluster at best. Went back to a rzr. Maybe this will be different but time will tell...
Sorry meant Ttl
I ride in El mirage it's very rocky in some areas and they are the sharp gaged kind that like to get stuck in things, I'm curious if time will tell about rocks and other debris getting stuck or wedged between the tire and knuckle support it looks pretty tight between the sidewall of the tire and the metal brace.
It won’t be an issue.
How is this new suspension when road cars have such arms and had them for decades?
That is thinking out side of the box! Go Can Am!
well if you wreck or crash it, its going to be seriously expensive to fix.
So pressure just disappeared?
Reminds me of my 1993 Honda Civic
that extra weight didnt disappear from the scale... when you change the pivot point there. it transfers the weight over to the shock.. so either suspension is going to be great or beat to hell within the first year.
It's all about mechanical advantage. It's not about the weight "disappearing" It's the fact that the old design multiplies that initial 500 pound load and transfers it elsewhere and the new design lessons that. Notice both designs are higher than the initial 500 pound input, just the fact that the old suspension magnifies that much more than the new tall knuckle.
I think what he is saying is the x3 total weight load adds up to 1265 and the R’s total load only adds up to 744… if that cylinder was pushing evenly wouldn’t they add up the same? I’m asking and thinking at the same time… lol
@@tnross23nope. Because it’s not weight, it’s leverage. It’s why you can wrench harder with a longer handle. You push the same amount, but a longer handle can double the torque.
There is no weight here at all. It's force. Force can be manipulated with mechanical advantage.
My thought is that the side loads have never really been a problem. However, shock double sheer in the front and a weaker frame has. Seems like they went a little too far.
Biggest gripe seems to be about tire size, but the R can fit 35s. If you're someone who runs 37s or bigger, then the whole awesome suspension geometry is probably not as important for you. Get the X3. Maybe Can-Am can stuff the bigger powertrain into the X3 for that kind of thing.
More than likely going to be changing to a custom lift 37 on up!
Only Little Dicks Need BIGGER THAN 35s 😂😂
After owning one. I’m honestly not sure it’s worth the extra money over the standard x3. lol
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that U shape casting reeks of snapping .... right on the curve . Can am has still not made a good suspension set up
Heard somewhere that BMW is using the same design on some of its new model suv's. Must be something to it.
BMW and pretty much every european car has been using knuckles that like for like 20 years. WTF is everyone on about, is everyone in this comment section totally clueless about cars?
Congrats to CAN-AM on moving the bar in automotive sports; proving that the little car that could has a lotta guts and more to offer than just dune buggy. Watch out Legacy Auto
What about rocks and things that stick in the tire that are constantly beating the piss out of it
Places center of gravity on to the hub of the tires. Getting air on that isnt going to be fun
Double wish vone has been around for 70 years at least vs McPherson struts.
Fine, and all assuming that they are honest, and have it calibrated precisely, and equally, as not to sway the numbers slightly in their favor…
looks aside... It works
Only issue I see is larger tires
35" max!
ONLY BRP could engineer something as radical as this
I guess you've never seen front suspension on pretty much any road car in the last 20 years lmao.
Wow very nice
Agreed!
This is just a nice promotion for those who have not studied the calculation of materials under load. They installed sensors in only one place. It is not right. This doesn't say anything about the mechanism at all. A 3D CAD model would tell you how loaded the mechanism is. But of course they didn’t introduce it.
the left side is not an accurate set up for the X3 suspension. At least not on my 2019 XDS - i just changed out the front a arm bushings to brass with the steel inserts with the additional bracing. I feel the huge strength issue is the arm is not held on both sides " like a C " bracket . the top and bottom are basically straight bolts mounted only on one side of the chassis with a nut on the end . Yes the front now has a plate on it but they all still hand off the back bolts . This to me is not a good set up and this mock up is not a true rendering of the X3 . now the other side ( new ) given hw cheap and flimsy the castings are from Can Am , the whole things screams "sitting at the side of the trail" with expensive parts to fix ... my whole outlook on my 2019 XDS 4 seat is its not well built and i never feel confident that something will not break. I have gone through so much in what i feel are required upgrades but the machine is still not reliable.
Looks like the knuckle off a Honda Accord.
pitty no smartloock in the back....and no closed AC cocpit solution
Space the older style out to what a real front is. Then show me stress and pounds. It’s a pricier sales game to make you think your better so people will trade for new styles that have proven in the rocky trails of eastern Ky to be junk.
Let people beat on it for 5-10 years and you will know all you need to know.
It looks like I’ll just buy a jeep.
What are the NEW failure points on the control arms.
All that pressure is going somewhere.
Function over form
It's just like on my old Audi... 🤔
Looks like more parts to sell when stuff gets a little out of hand.
Dont dont know why anyone would want that top ball joint out over the wheel, when you can just bring it in 6 inches to just inside the wheel and up outa the way..
Better question.
Why do people search for old Ford kingpin beams.
Ball joints suck. Period.
It has a lot to do with maintaining steering geometry and reducing hub loading. Many cars have suspension just like this, but since they are not super long travel they don't stick up out the hood.
Sick specs but 78 is too wide for trail riding
It's not really a trail car it's more for the track and dunes!!
i would stay with the old design...
Its a wash. You added weight to make it stronger. When you could have just added weight to make the older stronger.
yeah yeah, but it destroyed the sexy aggressive RC car looks of the thing.
Show me something that makes sense for performance and longevity. Build some better components, and ditch the ugly. What happens when rocks or sticks come up into this monument knuckle design? Now limited on tire size, what a 33” ? Can’t say I am impressed with this one. Sorry guys.
I think they can get get specific sized 35’s to fit but the width has to be slim. 🤷♂️
You're not upsizing tires on that R suspension.
I call this the shopping cart suspension... does the same job as anything else... but with more problems 😂
I’m just gonna stick with my Glock
I think the other design that was floating around still came to the top of tire so the speed would've been the same an would been a little more popular with most with that be said a far as racing goes it's going to be better so I get it going to the center going to Eliminate all the bump steering an the over all the or roll an be more stable definitely going to be a beast an o the long race they will be a lot less Fatigue did they need to progress that much to be on the Podium I don't think so an for what they are promoting it for it boss I believe but I think if they would' put these other design on for the Mr an rc it would be a win win anit would've make truly purpose built like they have been doing all this time with not a hole lot but but stickers it kinda sucks paying 3000 thousand extra for basically stickers an I bet if you put it that same test probably would get about the same only with a little anti roll because not only the tire Issues but I'm pretty a good end dindo down the mt an a big rock hits it don't think it's going to stand up but we will see for the one that wants it different they will have kits to change it I'm sure
I’ll stick with regular models, these are for the desert only
If the set up was that good trophy trucks would be running the set up along time ago
I see people saying this but ya’ll don’t seem to be aware of the fact that the trophy truck class is unlimited except for the body. Suspension and tires have to be tucked under the fibreglass. You couldn’t make this suspension work on a trophy truck while respecting that rule (hence why the Maverick R has huge cut outs where the fenders would be on the Maverick X3).
Also keep in mind that most trophy trucks are built by family shops or small companies meanwhile Can-Am is part of a multi-billion dollar organization so they have a lot more R&D budget and engineers at their disposal to explore concepts like this. Not impossible to conceive how if you throw enough money at the project, you could build a better suspension system than the trophy truck guys.
Wrong. Trucks are a diff beast that weigh 4 times more.
Agree. Just looks like they are trying to be different
I think a lot of people are going to buy in on it because of how radical it looks so it must be good... none of which are engineers lol
You fixed something that wasn't broke....
What a joke
Unfortunately those numbers can be made to read what ever you want depending on what the shocks are set at. Unless I set them myself I’ll never believe those values. Sorry guys but this is a advertising gimmick.
All that force is now being taken by that s shaped knuckle. It’s all marketing bs.
I would be okay with the looks, but not being able to go with a bigger tire is pathetic. Can-Am needs to make a stronger chassis instead. Riveting to the frame to weld it together is below Chinese standards. Yep, I own a 2020 X3 and I can tell that the only thing that CAN AM did right was the design with a Rotax and Fox, but the built quality is laughable.
looks like crap loll.. must be functional but nope.
No thanks 👎🏻
i dont care how much better it is. it is fing ugly. so ill never buy one