Ever Seen A Fly Press?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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My friend Ken has loaned me a very cool tool. I will have a lot of uses for this old machine.
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"Press on,Brother." Everything you bring to this channel is fascinating.Looking forward to your discoveries.Thank you.
Takes me back to my schooldays in the '70s. I still have some of the things I made back then...sheet metal toolbox with handmade piano hinges, forged fireside shovel and poker, sine bar, toolmaker's vice, hand-planished brass cymbal! Good times in the shop!
Your videos are turning me into the son my father always wanted.
Just found this video on 2-2-2020. Have worked in a couple of shops but never saw or heard of a fly press. Very interesting. Thanks for showing us. It looks very heavy, so I am surprised at chaining it down.
Am looking forward to more about this piece of equipment.
I have a fly press at my home, albeit much smaller, but we call it a swatter and is not dependent on the fly flying into it. Everything you need, and nothing you don't need. ;)
I want to say as a electrician, I love watching videos just like yours and learning new things. I really appreciate your your videos and time.
The more I watch this channel, the more I realize, I f'ing love tools.
Garage extra space
Is like saying extra money
Happy tinkering boys
Everything you need and nothing you don't need. Love this.
Never seen a fly press but I have seen a horse fly
But have you seen a pig fly?
Matmoo me,
How about a barn dance?
Or a butter fly?
Bet you ain't never seen a donkey fly
I was going to go with henway. Thanks for carrying the ball for me these last 4 years. Go get some rest. You've earned it.
Sure have now! Thanks for introducing me/us to this precious gem!
Your channel is as good as "this old house" or any show out there for that matter.You are a natural my friend.
These are still popular in Europe even in some serious maintenance workshops in big factorys. Good machine to push in or out a bearing.
My grandfather was a jeweler and had one of these out in his garage for stamping cufflink and various other blanks out of sheet silver and gold. It was quite a bit smaller than this though.
Man it'd be so easy to move right in and make that shop a home I think if I ever got to tour it personally I'd have a hard time leaving I want to just live there and never leave what a playground what fun !!! Seems so cozy and very inviting to me and full history !!!
That's a cool machine. It looks to be a time saver. Nice!
No Flys were harmed in the making of this video.
Your videos are really brings some old memories... 👍👍👍
I used one that had full ring to hold it and we only used it to fold sheet metal... it was more for training ENG newbies back then. Thank you so much for making these videos they are awesome 🍺
Interesting. The company I work for has a few big presses that came from Ford's Model T production lines. Enjoy seeing the old stuff.
Wow. It's been years since the last time I saw this kind of press. A friend of my father who, as my father, was a goldsmith had one of those. I remember how it could go through hot gold like a finger through wet tissue paper.
That thing is a beauty.
Very entertaining and interesting! Thanks for sharing.
I used to work in an old blacksmith shop when younger. The flypress was so large a guy could hang on to each sphere and spins round 3-4 times before coming to a abrupt stop. The thread must have been 8-10” diameter.
just a word on the triple thread spindle. it makes the shaft move 3 times as far for each revolution compared to a single thread screw.
Looks like ideal for fullers.
Our parents and grandparents sure knew how to build quality things.
That is a beautiful tool!! Thanks for sharing
Hey Scott the triple lead thread is for speed it has the same strength as a finer thread but is as fast as a super coarse thread
Thank you!
The reason it has 3 thread lands or three starts is so that it travels 3 times further in one revolution. It could be a 8 mm pitch thread but travels 24 mm in one revolution.
The triple lead thread helps increase the speed at which the ram moves in relation to the revs of the handle. Otherwise, you'd have to crank full turns numerous times to get the same amount of stroke. Take the current tread pitch and multiply it 3X, and that is the stroke per rev. Multiple lead threads are used widely on gate and globe valves for rapid open/closing.
Maybe you ought to do video on making wrought iron fence.... I’ve seen some old examples and always wondered how it was done
Really cool tool. .
You gotta be pretty quick to press a fly in that thing. How do you get them to sit still? Do you bait them with jelly?
But if you pull on one side oly 0:54 it doesn't apply a proper torque to the threaded rod, there are another forces which make the whole thing move in other directions. I know a lot of tools are designed that way though
Zen & Hanemann #7 on eBay right now but it is a bit larger and uses a wheel opens to 15 inches
Would you be able to use a hydraulic press in the same manner? I know they don’t look as cool but was just wondering. Love your videos. Have your ever thought of an open house for your shop. Would love to come down from Eugene and see it in person.
I want one!!
You're lucky! Those are hard to find, I'm jealous.
Thank you for another great video!
Step 1: Wear helmet while spinning the fly. ;)
That was my thought too!
that is why the weight and handle are adjustable i ran one for a while it is just that to keep it above your head ..first day massive headache
robert mills In the distant past I have used a number of fly presses of various sizes to press out prototype parts, hundreds at a time. I can testify that it does really hurt when the cross bar catches your head. I only did it once. In the UK it is possible to pick these presses up for the price of the scrap value if you look out for them.
The Three Stooges would have loved this machine! 😀
Tested out my new press the other day. Turned my back on it and it knocked me over.
That press looks like a real head banger
My neighbor has one 3 times that size setting in his front yard
That fly press looks like a headache waiting for a place to happen. Be careful we want more videos.
Aw cool I've been trying to find one and did but I'm building a new shop so currently I can't buy any big machines
"Lands" more commonly called "starts" in thrust screws
so its like a giant arbor press? for broaching?
Замечательно. Veri Gud !
im sorry sir you know way to much but thank you wow ive learned a lot
You make great videos.
How many times have you clocked your head with the press, I wonder?
I have seen a lot.
I work for a family owned and run business working in the aerospace industry. 98.5% of our products are made using a fly press.
Looks like a square thread to me, which is what they used before acme thread was invented. Check out Keith Rucker if you haven't before, he's got some recent-ish videos where he talked about square and acme threads, and variations thereon. Interesting stuff.
I've used it in a school in 1998
Wouldn't it be prudent to attach you anti-twist bracing up on the table, rather than down on the feet? You're still putting significant twisting torque on those skinny legs.
To bad they are not more assible where I am in Indiana no mention of them little lone try and find one notable to afore one from overseas.
Mike Rowe should come hang out with you for a day or two
you could poke holes in all kinds of things with that. shoulda be called a sheen press I guess
Why not even out the mass distribution on the input anyway?
I wonder how many ppl have cracked their heads while turning the handles!
First, I wonder why there's only 1 weight, because a second heavy ball at the opposite side could make it more powerful. Second, it seems that you lost some weight, did you? :)
I’ve never seen a fly press, but I have seen a centipede putting shoes on
It looks like it's only running at half power. I'd bet there was a second ball up there at one point.
Beautifully simple, effective machine. But obviously requires some active mental participation or you're going to get a crack up side the head.
You should put some pool noodles on the handle so you don't brain your self if you miss catching it.
how much does the hole shrink the length of the bar. or is it negligible
Be careful with those flying handles you'll poke an eye out.
Ever seen a fly press? Nope but I've seen a cricket bat.
Brilliant!!!!
Beautiful machine, but I would be VERY wary of having that not bolted to the floor, or even just place it on a sheet of 3/8 steel or ANYthing wider, if you’re ever doing heavy twisting on big pieces i could see it coming off the ground, especially with that chain keeping it in place, but not keeping it down, like a cowboy lasso-ing a calf rear leg, leg goes up, top goes down. Its just unsettling to watch, but I’m sure it feels different in person and you can feel how much force and twist its actually producing. Nice find sir, and NEVER intending to put negative energy on someone else’s work or safety, but just saying with the utmost sincerity, be careful with that big ol girl.
That chain on only one leg tuging i hope you dont break that leg .Just think about it. You might understand stress should be on all four not two .Two are sliding in stones.
Essential Craftsman Fatigue can be tricky... making part of it stiffer will only concentrate the loads and break the weaker points even faster. I would think a full box base with at least one cross-brace tieing all the legs together would be best. Maybe x braced and without the front of the box so you aren't kicking it all the time. Since it is always striking the piece with clockwise momentum (looking from above), you could also add some shear strength coming from the bed with a few diagonals into your box frame (I'm assuming the bed is >> sturdier than the legs, therefore won't create new fatigue points). Really enjoying your channel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Maybe it's better rubber !!!
can it make a deck of cards to explode?
Never seen a fly press but ive heard of an ant on a skidoo.
Be great for fullering too!
"It's on loan." Lol. 'I'll just pop this thing in the back of my wife's minivan, I'll have it back to you in a week.'
Brad K I think this is one of those time where "on loan" means "I have this giant machine I don't need so how about you stick it in your shop? I'll just get it back later (i.e. never)".
I tough I was gonna see a fly get squished.
I've never seen a fly press, but I have seen an ant running on a treadmill.
Element of Kindness, I was hoping someone would run with this title that direction.
Bravo.
I was hoping for a good recipe for bug juice.
I saw one doing a backstroke in my soup once.
I have also but, then my magnifying glass caught my treadmill belt on fire.
that took me a second to get lol
And you don't need ear protection!
I'd think all of the clanging and banging from hammering could "hammer" your ears quite handily, myself. This press is quiet, but that's not all there is to metalworking.
You do if it is punching holes in steel
I'd opt for a helmet, or at least a hardhat.
Could you repeat that?
Seeing as the toes on the legs have given out I would be quite concerned that the legs are not far off themselves. That could kill you if a leg gives out.
I had the same thought (among other commenters). Also, I'm a fan of your videos as well NIL... RUclips feels strangely small sometimes. Next thing you know AvE will be reviewing EC's Burke bar.
Definitely worth getting some dye penetrant and checking the legs for cracks.
aimlessweasel I cannot effing wait for that moment. I hope they get together with chrisfix and use the Burke to wreck a car or something, lol
Weld up a frame that fits under it tight.
Hello Scott Wadsworth, This is a beautiful example of American Ingenuity and Craftsmanship captured in Cast Iron. I'm Paul Maselli and I am a master tool & Die Maker and an automation engineer. I'd like to offer a correction to your statement about the Acme Screw profile. The presence of the triple lead screw on your fly press is not to combat axial loading as you suggest. Multiple lead screws have been developed and used over the years with double triple and quad lead threads for a simple reason, they multiply the advance lead angle providing a very fast thread (rapid linear advancement) while providing sufficient contact surface area to distribute the load and force over the contact surfaces of the multiple threads. Axial load or misalignment are only compensated for or overcome by the length of the screw and lead nut design. Common rule of engineering would dictate that the contact area of the screw to lead nut is at least 3 times the diameter to provide sufficient surface area and contact to counteract friction and side loading. By nature of this machines design it should not experience side loading forces when being used properly. Thank You for Sharing.
fly presses existed since the roman empire... so not american
Thank You, the point here is not about this being an American Invention, more on the beauty of cast iron tools lost to today's artisans. Plus my attentions here are to correct the statement that the multi lead screw was used to offset axial loading. But maybe that went over your head. Please re-read this comment.
"Common rule of engineering would dictate that the contact area of the
screw to lead nut is at least 3 times the diameter to provide sufficient
surface area and contact to counteract friction and side loading."
When you say "...the contact area of the screw to lead nut is at least 3 times the diameter..."; do you mean the length of the nut or the actual spiral contact area of the threads?
Length to diameter ratio, a 2" diameter screw, you would be safe to have a 6" long lead nut. Thanks for asking.
What he actually said was that the multiple lead prevents the shaft from binding because the load is being applied from one side.
This is incorrect as is your assumption that the screw prevents locking up or jamming. I assume you are referring to the "Sine" of the lead angle, not "Sin".
Now lets break this down. As I stated the multiple lead screw is a fast action, with a steep angle and Sine value. This allows the ram to advance and retreat quickly for the action its performing. The amount of force applied is in direct relation to the length of the Fly Arm and the weight provides momentum.
A single lead screw will not lock up or jam, just look at how you use a "C" clamp. The screw advances and will release easily without jamming. So the single lead screw with the lower lead angle and lesser Sine value will not jam as you suppose, it is not an effective design for the task of creating a ram that is easily advanced with the inertia of the weighted lever behind it.
Thank You,
Paul A Maselli, Sr Tool Maker, Mechanical & Automation Engineer, Boatwright.
Metal working blows my mind. I can barely afford to woodwork, getting metalworking tools looks intimidating! Very cool!
John Patrick it's not that expensive. you can buy and make a great anvil for about $250. go buy a striking anvil plate. don't worry about it not having a horn, that's what a bick tool in your hardy hole is for
Levi Blackwood Gonna take me a while to decipher this response!
buy a flat peice of steel with a hole in it for the tools that go in the hole and ur fine
Metalworking>woodworking I do not like working with dead tree carcass
Lmfao
In my mind, more threads on a shaft makes the pitch steeper... so the movement is faster. More axial movement with the same amount of rotation. Nice apparatus tho =)
He Ka you're totally correct. The screen he describes is called a triple lead screw. If it had two helixes it would be a double lead screw and so forth. The purpose of a multi-lead screw is to transfer motion quickly.
Yep... seen it before in gate valves. Maybe somewhere else too...
I was practicing on my lathe the other day and I made a double and quadruple start. Triple would be much harder since it's not even.
You'll almost 100% of the time find multistart threads on juice bottles, milk jugs, etc.
I assume you did the multistarts on purpose ? xD .. But ye. they are used in all kinds of consumer products, like jars and bottles.. consumers wouldn't appreciate having to twist on a cap for a whole minute to get it open/closed =D
The Metal Butcher on a lath you just set your pitch 3 times what you want it to be, and adjust your cutting position with your compound rest. So for 10 tpi you set the lath to cut 30. Cut the first thread. Move the compound rest 0.100". Cut the second. Move again. Cut the third.
the thread on this press is called a triple lead thread. It is designed to give 3x the movement but retain the strength of the same pitch thread per inch
You are correct. The reason for multiple start threads is high axial movement.
Bet there’s a lot guys with pretty good sized lumps on their foreheads from those presses! Lol
Anyone else think this guy would fit right in with the guys from "This old house"?
Great videos with great content!!
This ild house has a verybspecial place in my family. Norm was our second favorite bearded carpenter. Scott would class up the joint nicely. They'd be lucky to have him.
We had smaller ones in the workshop where I was doing my apprenticeship and we used them for anything from stamping the company logos onto metal parts to stamping various smaller parts for office machines and for riveting. The reason for the multi thread is for faster vertical travel... otherwise you would be spinning the handle all day getting nowhere.
The fly press I remember from the shop I used to work at, had two balanced weight balls on the top, not just one. Seems odd to have just one, with all the imbalanced side loads on bearing surfaces.
Its on the opposite side for exactly that reason;
@@naui_diver9290 Opposite side of what?
I think I know where the term "knot head" comes from now.
I remember my dad using a fly press (a very small one) to cracked open some walnuts because he didn't feel like bruising his thumb and index finger.
Over here in England i work in a factory that has many fly presses this size. Ours all say "Denbeigh No 3 on the side. Ours have the addition of a lockable collar on the acme thread so an accurate depth of travel can be set. I think they were used for assembling shells during WW2
yes it's good when you have a stop on them, especially when loaded with dies and punches or bending brakes..
Is there any benefit to having the load only located on one side? In my head it would be a better design with two smaller weights, one at each end.
Actually, I have seen a fly press that had no individual weight hiked out like this one. Instead the thing looked like a steering wheel. The “wheel” was heavy but the spokes were not. It still needed a hand grip and if I remember right, the one I saw had two, still allowing the operator to bang their head.
You can put two ball weights on, i had one and one had a horrible noise it made, like it was going to jump off! It never did or would though thankfully
I have seen a similar press used with coining dies. The operator had a long, leather strap looped on the near handle with which he increased the speed and consequently the momentum of the strike. I enjoy all of your videos. Thanks.
Fifty years ago I had a school holiday job at a company called Econa who made drainage. One of their items was a sink grinder, the 'teeth' of which were punched out on a fly press. I was put on that job one day and was able to do it sitting down - pretty easy work. Then somebody called me and I stood up into the path of the ball. Did I see stars?! Wouldn't be allowed in today's elf and safety environment, but I was OK. Everybody else on the shop floor laughed.
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There's a steam railway down the road from me and I used their fly press to change the wishbones bushes in a car of mine. Not what it was designed for and a bit beneath it really but it did a great job.
I been using one in the smithy for 20 years now , versatility is an understatement. The latest tooling is for skillets. I have also built all manner of punches and sheers. Just don’t get whacked in the head with the arms. You might want to consider another weight on the fly, to balance things out.
you need a louver dye, everything looks better with louvers
David Jones I totally agree!
I would definitely be wearing a hard hat while using a fly press.
If for no other reason than out of fear ! Lol
Edit : I've never broken a bone or had any serious injury but I have had some close calls. Those close calls are why I actually use safety equipment.
I've had close calls but I like to foreplay with Danger.
@@bryanmartinez6600 Haha. Some times I'll be foolin around with a knife or somethin and I'll realize I need to put it away before I get hurt. Lol
Ex. Forget I'm holding a kinfe and try to reach in my pocket.
That's probably the quietest blacksmithing process I've ever seen. Imagine how nice that would be to have a day of great forging that didn't involve your ears bleeding
Can tell you are a carpenter by how deftly you moved to keep your head from banging the handle :^)
Mulligan Farms Exactly. Surprised there aren't a bunch of smashes glasses on the floor and a bloody nose.
Used to use one in England which was much bigger with a throat of something like 3 feet and the base was cast iron similar to a milling machine the throw was about twice as much.Loved that machine to death,it was so tactile, you knew where you were, so unlike a hydraulic press.Thanks for the memories, you've got a new subscriber.
I went to a technical school in the 1970's. There was no budget for this kind of equipment so the teachers got together and decided they could design and build one themselves.
The sucker was 8 feet high and sometimes needed two men to operate.
One to stand on a platform and yank the flywheel and another to feed in the material.
We the pupils got involved by making dies to stamp out various sheet metal parts.