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We are a Reformed Baptist church and have been singing out of the blue "Palms for worship" for years and love it. We also sing acapella like most churches did before the modern era.
The CREC is not merely friendly to the FV. It is the home of the FV. It's where FVists from the URCNA and PCA go when they leave. They are to the FV what Iran is to terrorism: the ecclesiastical sponsor.
R Scott Clarke
Where is your church? I always like to learn about RB churches that sing without musical instruments.
Our RCA church switched to PCA a couple of years ago. Not much changed with our worship, it's supposed to be "blended," but the "American Idol" style is emphasized to the point that a few weeks ago our pastor preached a sermon encouraging dancing in church (David danced before the ark--2 Samuel 6). We do not sing the psalms which I miss very much. Thank you for this video. After listening to you I am encouraged that I am not alone.
Thank you so much for this! I'm living in a Presbyterian desert without a drop of Psalm in sight. I've just written a little booklet that in part argues for Psalm singing (but I won't advertise in your space).
Go ahead or send it to me and I will for you.
Time to move?
Wonderful to hear. May your congregation be blessed as they sing about their King and Savior. Greetings from the Reformed Presbyterian Church of Canada (RPCC)
When you first mentioned that the Psalms weren’t about Jesus, I physically cringed. So glad you addressed that and did it well!
I’m a member of a PCA church. We sing elder-approved hymns and we also sing Psalms.
The CREC is not merely friendly to the FV. It is the home of the FV. It's where FVists from the URCNA and PCA go when they leave. They are to the FV what Iran is to terrorism: the ecclesiastical sponsor.
R Scott Clarke
Thanks Matthew
We are with the EPC Australia
We have sung unaccompanied psalms exclusively for over 50 years and we believe that there are very good biblical reasons for this practice.
When visiting other churches we do not join in hymn singing.
We use the Scottish Metrical Psalms which has some wonderful tunes.
We don't make a practice of being late for church but when we approach a church and hear the psalms in 3 part harmony it sends a tingle down our spines.
Our church (OPC) is looking into switching from the trinity hymnal to the Trinity Psalter-Hymnal and making psalm singing a regular practice in our worship. Very excited about this!
The CREC is not merely friendly to the FV. It is the home of the FV. It's where FVists from the URCNA and PCA go when they leave. They are to the FV what Iran is to terrorism: the ecclesiastical sponsor.
R Scott Clarke
You shan't regret it. Our OPC made the switch when the TPH came out and it has been a joy to have all 150 Psalms at our fingertips. Good stuff. Perhaps the only downside is the loss of some of the more "campy" songs from the 1990 TH that our folks love (Wonderful Grace of Jesus, the other tune for Rock of Ages [500], etc.). But we don't sing those in corporate worship anyway.
The trinity is a false doctrine invented by Tertullian.
Our URCNA church uses this one as well. I'm a fan
Great thing about the Psalter Hymnal is that it does keep a lot of the classic favorites! Not all of them, but most!
The Canadian reformed churches and the united reformed churches also sing the psalms . Not exclusively.
This is the same psalter I use for family worship, very good
The CREC is not merely friendly to the FV. It is the home of the FV. It's where FVists from the URCNA and PCA go when they leave. They are to the FV what Iran is to terrorism: the ecclesiastical sponsor.
R Scott Clarke
Thanks for that Matthew. I'm sure my Reformed Presbyterian brothers and sisters wouldn't mind me mentioning the Free Church of Scotland also has Sing Psalms - a modern English psalter. Copies can be downloaded from their website. I used to be in a congregation where we sang through all the psalms in a year including every part of Psalm 119. There are playlists on my channel for Books 1 to 5 of the Psalter as well as a playlist called "shorts for tunes" which has a mixture of Scottish tunes and traditional hymn tunes. Don't expect anything too polished but as someone once said, "if it's worth doing, it's worth doing badly."
2003 Sing Psalms Psalter is great! Having the blue Psalm book with the 1650 and 2003 Psalter is a gem! Hopefully the Free Church of Scotland will return to her original biblical position of the Purity of Worship.
I recently began attending a Presbyterian Church that's with the CREC. They use the Psalter, the Trinity Hymnal, as well as a folder with some other songs. They are sung acapela. Every once in awhile, there's a piano involved. It's really nice. As an added bonus, I don't have to wear ear plugs in the sanctuary because the music is too loud. It's rather amazing to me. I'm going to go through the membership process soon. It's a small church, but a good one with solid teaching.
What CREC church sings A capella?
Why is it so hard to find lol!!!
@@innovationhq8230 The one I go to here in Wisconsin. As I stated, sometimes, the piano is played but usually not.
@@billiamnotbob I will warn you that it's a very bad idea join a CREC church. The CREC is dishonest when it claims to be Reformed and then practices Paedo-Communion which directly contradicts the Westminster Confession and the other refomed creeds and confessions.
The CREC does nothing to discipline people who claim to uphold the Westminster Confession and then directly contradict it by teaching infused rightousness.
WCF
XI. Of Justification
I. Those whom God effectually calleth he also freely justifieth;a not by infusing righteousness into them, but by pardoning their sins, and by accounting and accepting their persons as righteous: not for anything wrought in them, or done by them, but for Christ’s sake alone; nor by imputing faith itself, the act of believing, or any other evangelical obedience to them, as their righteousness; but by imputing the obedience and satisfaction of Christ unto them,bthey receiving and resting on him and his righteousness by faith; which faith they have not of themselves, it is the gift of God.c
“What is regeneration? That is an existential and experimental reality. God takes away a heart of stone and replaces it with a heart of flesh. Now, when does regeneration occur? According to the traditional ordo . . . regeneration is first, then repentance, then faith, then justification. Imputation arrives with justification. What is the righteousness that this new heart has, both experientially and practically? It is an infused righteousness. Regeneration is not imputed, right? Regeneration is a change of heart, from an unrighteous heart that hates God to a righteous (but still imperfect) heart that loves Him, repents of sin, and believes in Him . . . At the end of the day, this means . . . infused righteousness as the instrument of imputed righteousness.”
The Auburn Avenue Chronicles, pp. 60-61
The CREC is the sanction denomination for Federal Vision heresy. I’d get out of there.
Congrats. Though I do love contemporary worship songs from the Maranatha era. It's great; however, I would love to get MP3 versions of modern version of these Psalters that you mentioned. It would also be great to have it on RUclips.
As I am listening to the video, I am recalling the metaphor of a full course dinner. We need the meat and vegetables. Alot of the contemporary and more of a side benefit. Balanced Diet!
This is awesome.
Actually this channel here @The150Psalms is awesome and you all should check them out! :-)
The CREC is not merely friendly to the FV. It is the home of the FV. It's where FVists from the URCNA and PCA go when they leave. They are to the FV what Iran is to terrorism: the ecclesiastical sponsor.
R Scott Clarke
We need the Psalms back in church, we need the Reformed of old, the Reformed the Papists feared, not crypto baptists.
Agreed! Praise God!
The CREC is not merely friendly to the FV. It is the home of the FV. It's where FVists from the URCNA and PCA go when they leave. They are to the FV what Iran is to terrorism: the ecclesiastical sponsor.
R Scott Clarke
What is a “crypto baptist”?
@@donhagner4845basically baptists who baptize babies
@@donhagner4845basically a baptist who baptizes babies
You are such an encouragement. Thank you so much for the time and effort you put into this channel. I know it does take time to do.
R. Scott Clark argues the Regulative Principle of Worship consists only of Psalms and inspired songs. Praise God it is making a comeback. I hope my church will reform as yours has
What do you mean "Inspired Songs" ?
@@DrGero15 Songs that are found in the canon of scripture.
@@innovationhq8230 So Canticles?
@@DrGero15 If something in the bible is found outside of the book of Psalms and is called a song that is what would be considered an inspired song outside of the Psalter.
@@innovationhq8230 Isn't that the definition of a Canticle?
Thanks for the recommendation brought on my iPad - I wish there was a chord version or option as I hope to use them in a contemporary setting style.
My church does not sing the psalms. I wish they did. It would reinforce scripture with music and that would help so many people. I’m going to try to get this to happen at my church.
The CREC is not merely friendly to the FV. It is the home of the FV. It's where FVists from the URCNA and PCA go when they leave. They are to the FV what Iran is to terrorism: the ecclesiastical sponsor.
R Scott Clarke
We need to be united as followers of christ in these last days
A good way to be united is only singing the prefect Psalms of God. man-made hymns are sectarian.
Some of our hymns are metrical psalms - but only a small handful.
I'm happy for you, guys. I love old Hymns, but I would love to start singing the Psalter.
Update: I have noticed that my Bibles with a two-column Psalm layout line up with the ACNA free downloadable Psalter. And even though I am not Anglican, I would like to, the next time I read through the Psalms in my Bible reading plan, mark the stanzas with a small asterisk. Then I can printout a few different Psalter Tones and slip them in the front of my Bible. I will then be set up to sing/chant the Psalms right from my own Bible. Obviously, it will take some practice, but I want to learn. I would like to also purchase an actual Psalter as well, but how wonderful would it be to be able to sing the Psalms from my own Bible in private?
Opc psalter hymnal is excellent!
Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Ephesians 5:19
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Colossians 3:16
How to Read & Understand the Psalms is a good book for ministers and layman to appreciate what they’re singing.
I’m with the Free Church of Scotland and we all sing the Psalms with the occasional Hymn. It is accompanied by a piano.
I agree to a large extent on the contemporary worship bands. The emotional manipulation is not subtle. My church still tries that every other Sunday because some in leadership think that’s what “young people” want, yet the young people don’t care and the older folks just stand there and wait for it to be over. Then they clap very politely when it is over, just like a concert.
I grew up in the Christian Reformed Church and we used the old CRC Psalter Hymnal. But as I remember it, the congregation struggled with it because most of tunes weren’t familiar. I’m glad some of the more modern Psalters are working on that!
It is more than disappointing that the PCA will be having David French as a speaker at the PCA General Assembly. I seriously consider David French to be borderline wicked. Why in the world would the PCA even consider this? Well, they are going down the slippery slope, as it always happens. A once faithful denomination surrenders to this wicked age. The fact that this is being allowed is NOT just a blip, this is serious. Hopefully you will find time to discuss this very concerning issue.
absolutely
Sadly there are 30 PCA churches in my area and not a single one sings a Psalm during worship.
I’m having the same problem. Not as many of them but they all do some kind of contemporary. It’s hard to get away from where I’m at
My PCA minister is wanting to bring in the psalms
All those PCA churches are unconfessional. The Westminster Confession says Psalms are to be sung in worship. WCF 21.5
You should ask the elders if they have taken exception to that portion of the Confession. This is the problem with dishonest subscription that goes on in so called reformed churches today.
@@innovationhq8230I agree.
Any of them use the red Trinity Hymnal? That has a number of psalms in it.
I have never sung the psalms and I would love to. Our church doesn’t sing hymns either unless it’s maybe 1 or 2 verses with a modern chorus as the refrain. It does center on Jesus every week but it’s just not my preference. I live about an hour or so north of a conservative Presby church. We are north of Dallas and growing at a very fast pace. If we’re in Dallas some Sunday I’d love to visit a church where I can sing the psalms! I appreciate your content so much.
Thank you for sharing brother!!
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Would you show us a couple of examples from your service?
A few years back I visited an evangelical church plant in Philadelphia with contemporary Christian music worship exactly as you described as entertainment, me-driven, emotion-laden, manipulative.. Frankly I was appalled. The "rock band" had a lead singer woman with a too-short skirt bouncing around the stage dancing for the crowd. IMO, it was a concert performance, not worship, and the focus was on her On a positive note, the pastor interrupted the "concert" and reminded the congregation that this was corporate worship, and everyone should enter into the worship. But then the "concert" resumed. I never returned.
Brother, I would be interested in the songs you have in your psalters based on the 118th Psalm. I’m doing a Sunday School lesson on the last day of June from Acts 4 when Peter quotes that psalm. I would very much like to have the lyrics of those if you could and wouldn’t mind helping me out. I would greatly appreciate that. I want to develop the Psalm context before going into Peter’s message when he calls out the Sanhedrin. I want to include these on a handout, so proper citation information is important. I will not attempt to sing this nor will I lead the class In singing this. I may try to get them to sing “This is the day,” but I’m still working on the lesson.
Matt a demo would be good.
I was a member of RPCNA, then relocated for retirement where even Spurgeon-Baptists are rare. "acapela" is neither prohibited nor required in the Regulative Principle; it sounds "kewl" & is a beautiful addition to The Worship of God;,RPCNA holds to exclusive palmistry as directed by the Regulative Principle; again, it is neither prohibited nor required. I agree that the "Praise Team" approach (including BOOM-BOXES &"Off-the-Wall" Projectors) dilutes The Worship of God; dangerous indeed.
A cappella is totally justified by the regulative principle of worship. You just don't know what you are talking about.
Pastor, what are you doing with the old red books? I have some friends planting a church in the Mars are who might be able to benefit from them
The praise band type songs are written for professional soloists and not for congregational singing. We recently attended a church that use the trinity hymnal/psalter and although unfamiliar with the tunes it was easy to sing along. We are singing at our family devotions systematically through the Anglo Genevan Psalter. Our church uses Hymns only no praise band songs.
AMEN!!! Thank you soooooo very much for sharing this!!!🙏🏻 I hope and pray more true churches follow!
Raven
I have come to love the Psalms. I am learning to sing them using a Scottish Psalter book.
Today I walked out of a PCA Presbyterian church. My first time there, (coming out of a non denominational “TGC” influenced church) I went to my first Sunday school class to find them working through a position paper on race. I am so sick of the social justice garbage in the church. Please can we focus on GOD at church on Sundays?? One more church I won’t go back to. I hoped this PCA church would be better than this, but nope. Not this one at least.
If I am trying to find a Presbyterian church in my area, what denominations would you say are the most conservative in North America? My church (not reformed at All) keeps walking further and further away. Through my reading of the puritans I am becoming more reformed in my beliefs. I’ve heard very liberal things about presbyterians, but I know some denominations hold true. Thoughts?
Pca, opc, and rpcna are pretty conservative. Pcusa is the most liberal.
When you sing the Psalms do you follow the various instructions to sing to the accompaniment of stringed instruments (Ps 67) or to praise with the resounding of cymbals (Ps 150)?
In our church, many of the children will clap their hands at the mention of the cymbals. =) It should be noted that the instruments mentioned in the psalms are understood to be associated with the Temple sacrifices that were done away with after Jesus fulfilled all that they were pointing toward. So we are free to not use instruments and instead praise with the fruit of our lips!
The Psalms speak of many aspects of old covenant ceremonial worship that we no longer practice in the new covenant.
@@innovationhq8230
Yes, I see that in regard to temple and sacrifice references because they are clearly explained in the New Testament. But how do the diverse forms of worship described in the Psalms get bundled in to that which was done away with?
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We look at the New Testaments command and example of worship and it is singing Psalms and letting praise be the fruit of our lips.
No command or example of the apostles using musical instruments in worship. Early church did not use musical instruments.
at the 9 min 10 sec mark, " there's something powerful about singing God's Word " . Yes, because we are 'sanctified' by the Truth. The ' Truth' is the ' Word'. (Jn 17:17) And so obviously the Psalms are a part of that same ' Word', and so sanctification is taking place with the singing of those Psalms. We don't feel it, just trust that it's taking place, because Christ has declared we are 'sanctified' by the Word. To those past and future disciples given to Christ in John 17:17-20 Jesus prays, " Sanctify them by the Truth. Thy Word is Truth" . No supernatural 'sanctification' is taking place when singing extra-biblical material like "Shine Jesus Shine", "The Old Rugged Cross" or even "A Mighty Fortress" , only some personal 'edification' might be gained, i'm sure. Further, my understanding, coming now into the RPCNA from a PCA, was the simple clarity of explanation that the "psalms and hymns and spiritual Songs" of Col. 3 and Eph. 5 , were simply understood as synonyms for one another for the psalms, much the same way the word 'sin' also has synonyms for it in scripture like 'transgressions' and 'iniquities'. These verses are not saying to write NEW hymns and NEW spiritual songs besides the Psalms. If they do mean that in the original, then everyone needs to be in the 'mixed-use' camp. But the dilemma is, the canon is closed, and Jesus stated we are sanctified by the Word, Jn. 17, so we might as well sing what has been inspired and canonically closed as 'the Word', and God's hymn book, the Psalter, is what's there for worship.
Perhaps Pastor Everhard could run through the various "Pressers" in America/Canada/Scotland/Australia (and use his Elbow to point out the various Apostates) People here seem confused.
I imagine some clever musicians could design a psalter that has good music and appropriate translations. I don't know if that exists today though.
No, there are good ones now.
@@johnking9161 What's an example of a good one? Thanks.
@@Robert_Sparkman_07 The book of Psalms for worship is great. I would also recommend the 1650 metrical Psalter.
The psalm project is pretty good, but they have some that sound like the worst of early 2000s mega church. There are a few bands that have been working theough the psalms. My Soul Among Lions is one of the best. Wendell Kimbrough does some very good modern musical updates.
Yes
Definitely
The Scottish metrical psalms have hundreds of wonderful tunes with harmony
The Trinity Psalter Hymnal would have been a better buy.
They already have the trinity hymnal. As someone who is EP I prefer just a Psalter. The TPH is good for private use though. The OPC church plant I go to uses it.
The Trinity Psalter Hymnal has unbiblical songs in it.
@@innovationhq8230 which one?
@@innovationhq8230 Huh? What are some?
@@robertwheeler1158
And Can It Be, That I Should Gain? is a heretical hymn that teaches Jesus emptied himself of all but love.
I saw that it was included in the Trinity Psalter Hymnal but I had not seen that they had modified the text to remove that part.
Silent Night is an example of Hymn in the Trinity Psalter Hymnal that contains falsehood. There is no biblical reason to believe that night Jesus was born was a silent night with all the commotion of the census and there being no room in the inn. Also the author was a Papist heretic.
Here is some information about one of the Hymn writers found the TSH
Anna Laetitia Waring author of Hymn 500 in the TSH Father, I Know That All My Life
In her personal life, she had some friendships "of singular depth and intensity," and one in particular with a "gifted friend" (a woman). Waring destroyed most of the correspondence between them, and (in the words of the biographer) "of the few which remain, none are suitable for publication." This suggests a relationship which in 1911 (when the memoir was written, in the year after Waring’s death) would have been thought shocking … a love between the two women that could not be revealed but which gave nothing but pleasure (Watson, The English Hymn, pp. 446-447, 448).
It Is Well With My Soul a very well known hymn found in the TSH.
The author Horatio Spafford was heretical cult leader that established the American Colony, in Jerusalem.
Hey Matthew I know you don’t get into politics much on this channel, but could you discuss the antisemitism bill that says it’s antisemitic to say that Jews killed Christ?
“Some of you have American Idol bands”…
Did you mean to say that those with modern bands are practicing idolatry? Or is that a slip of the tongue?
Remember, Martin Luther severely criticized for writing his hymns to the music that being played in the pubs so people could relate to the gospel in music.
Remember, Isaac Watts was severely criticized for writing hymns that were based on the New Testament because the church only sung from the Psalms. He wanted people to sing the gospel.
Church is not a concert, or American Idol, and there is a lot of shallowness out there, it there is also a lot of believers who have the heart of Luther and Watts too.
Please be careful in how you criticize Jesus church for singing a new song.
With love and respect.
Isaac Watts was a heretic. So having the heart of that evil man is not something any Christian should want.
The contemporary worship bands are practing idolatry.
When the bible talks about singing a new song is most cases it is refering to the Psalm that follows the command to sing a new song and we are never told to compose are own songs and use them in worship.
@innovationhq8230 - "we are never told to compose our own songs to use in worship" Really? Then I guess King David was a heretic. He composed over 50 new songs. The same ones you use in worship. If someone feels inspired to sing for worship, and they don't include bad theology, then you can sing along if you want. But before you condemn their theology, you had better ask your elders, and your bishop if you still have one.
Great point, brother. I was stuggling with the poor characterization and disparagement of other churches ("evan-jellyfish" 😢)as well, but didn't know how to respond to Matt in a kind and respectful way. I'm sure we could all engage in pointing out the weaknesses of other denominations and traditions if we wanted - but why would we? I also hold that all of the Psalms are inspired, and we should not only sing them, but also allow them (and the rest of Scripture) to inform our worship practices within the church. A few examples would be: Employing a large variety of musical instruments, and not just a piano and organ (Psalm 150). Using diverse genres of Christ-honoring music (Eph. 5:19). Singing new worship songs, and not just old ones (Psalm 96:1). Clapping our hands to some songs (Psalm 47:1). Lifting our hands in praise as we sing (Psalm 134:2). I would conclude with two points: We should be doers of the Word, and not singers only. And, Scripture must always trump Tradition. :)
@@lukasmakarios4998 David was Prophet of God with the gift of divine inspiration so of course he was commisioned to write songs for worship. What I am talking about is that we who are not prophets of God and don't have the gift of divine inspiration are never told to make up and compose our own worship songs without divine inspiration.
David's songs that he wrote are the very words of God inspired by the Holy Spirit along with all the other worship songs found in book of Psalms.
When David composed the Psalms for worship under the inspiration of the Holy Sprit it was certian that they would be inerrant which cannot be said of any songs composed by those who do not have the gift of divine inspiration able to write the very words of God that are in the canon of scripture.
This is a simple distinction to understand and it's amazing that you seem to not be aware of it.
I don't need to ask any bishop permision to condemn man-made "worship songs".
The church was already condemned them.
The Council of Braga c. 561-3
Canon 12
‘no poetic composition be sung in the Church except the psalms of the sacred canon…’
@@wdmc4 Eph. 5:19 is not speaking of diverse genres of Music. It's a triadic expression refering to the book of Psalms.
Musical instruments are part of the cermonial shadows of old covenant worship and they have been abrogated along with the burnt offerings, incense, grain offerings etc.
The new song we are told to sing in Psalm 96:1 is the Psalm that follows.
Based on your absurd understanding of worship we should bring beds and two edged swords into the church and use them in public worship. Psalm 149:5-6
Wait, there's singing midway through your service? Sign me up! Can you tell I'm a (former) music ministry singer?
I'd never even heard of this practice until fairly recently, when I learned about it online. Because I'm a singer, I was utterly confused. The phrase, itself, didn't compute in my brain. "Sing the Psalms"? How can you sing something... when you don't know the tune? For a moment, I thought there WAS some sort of written musical notation back then that had been preserved and recently discovered! Alas, no.
Just a few disjointed points:
What I don't care for is the attitude of some people that singing the Psalms is the ONLY biblically correct way to use music in a worship service. Don't get me started on the "instruments are sinful" attitude. Sorry, Miriam and David and others. And I guess those folks skip Psalm 81, 149, 150, etc.?
While I fully agree that some of the more current "worship music" is trash, not all of it is. Certainly not the music we used to sing back in the day.
The fact is that no one is singing the Psalms as they were done originally. No one. Why? Because nobody has any idea what those original melodies were! Somebody, much later on, invented those tunes, just like people do for every other song.
I'd love to experience this someday. But I would not want to sing the Psalms to the tune of some other well known hymn. That would totally throw me off! I hope someone has written some original tunes for these Psalms.
Again, I'm not sure how there can be some sort of authoritative Psalms music book because no one knows what the original melodies were. Use it, sure. But it's not like these were the melodies those people sang back then. We don't have those tunes. I can't wait for Jesus to return so we can find out!
If you email me, I can send you some pictures of a few example Psalms so you can see how they work.
@@MatthewEverhard Oh, that's very kind of you. Doing that right now, 5/8, Wednesday.
How can the Presbyterian Church be so conservative in worship, but at the same time endorse gay marriage? It's cherry-picking.
I think you are confusing the PCUSA with literally every other Presbyterian denomination... The PCUSA is apostate. The PCA certainly is not.
@@BigSkyTheology I don't know of any Presbyterian church that is conservative in worship and supports gay marraige.
If a Presbyterian church is conserative in worship they will not use any musical instruments and only sing from the Psalter.
If you know of a Presbyterian church that supports homosex and also practices historic Presbyterian Worship. which is no musical instrument Psalm singing then please link me to it.
I don't think any church like that exists in the world but I could be wrong.
What I see with the LGBT affirming "Presbyterian churches" is a total rejection of Historic Presbyterian worship. They practice the church calendar, use musical instruments, sing uninspired hymns and do all kinds of things never accepted in historic Presbyterian worship.