KNEE DROPPING FENG?! Says He Doesn't Recommend Him
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That ending is legendary
i actually busted out laghing the way you ended that one hahaha!
Indeed cutie. Funny ending.
No one is weak in TEKKEN 8!!!
DvJ...?
Even if that's true (it's not), some characters are definitely stronger than others.
Those characters are the most prevalent for a reason.
Otherwise we're viewing the characters in a vacuum.
@@sabrvibes3147 Tekken 8 is Strong Vs stronger
@dova3162 no every character weak against another character 😂. They all strong in their own way
Knee's tweet aged so poorly cause Mugold won vsfighting tournament with Feng a day later
Exactly. Feng is really strong. Its just at the moment Knee is doing badly as he hasnt adapted to t8 yet, so hes blaming the character and not himself.
@@GTJD111 I think Knee means that he dont recommend Feng vs the best players in the world, and i really mean the best of the best, not just any pro. I mean the top level koreans and pakistani players, also some top EU and US players. I think it can be hard to open up players like this with Feng sometimes..
@@WeisenbergTKMrWhite Agreed, people hear pros saying x character is weak or y character is strong and immediately think "I knew it!" while stuck in red ranks, as if they were talking about the same thing
Oh yes i forgot about that
This comment aged poorly
Poking is weaker in Tekken 8. That’s fengs specialty
And he's been overturned in other areas. He's obnoxious to play against.
Feng is too punishable and unsafe , he has to do alot to win while other characters have to do little to win.
If you have very strong fundamentals, Feng is great. He has great movement and every poking tool you can imagine. He's not a one button victory machine.
If you understand how and when to sidewalk, how to mix up his back kempo, how to play with his minus frames, how to use his various reversals, it's very difficult for your opponent to know when and how to retaliate against him. At high levels of play this becomes very apparent.
You could argue that there are more "efficient" characters to play at the highest level, but I would say that Feng is balanced and certainly competitive.
Poking is not weaker. Arslan wrecked Atif just by poking his busted Dragunov.
@@funkrates4778and what character did Asrlan use?. Someone with superior poking moves 😂😂😂
Crazy how ive heard mains of every character mention that their biggest weakness is tracking.
You only fight 1 Raven a year. Compared 100 Dragunovs a hour.
Yoshis moves dont bend and contort his body in a way that makes his hitbox non existent. Lilis launch for example.. she evades mids and borderline lows during not just that attack, but half her catalogue
Pros realized that if they dont down play, their character will get nerfed the same way they nerfed hwoarang's d34 even though "the character is underperforming." Im not a hwoarang main btw
hwoarang is still broken
@@Yozakura8787 if you watch even just a few of my uploads you'll realize that is very much NOT the case at all
Hwoarang main detected your disguise doesn't fool me!.
@@Justlookingaround19i already told the other guy if they even watched a single vid ive uploaded they would realize that is very much not the case, either youtube or moonsault slayer are deleting my replies
I take balance comments by the community with a grain of salt. I remember MainMan claiming Jin was busted initially. Then he backpedaled and claimed he was mid (a character playing T7 in T8) and then is now back to claiming he’s top tier (even after some nerfs).
@@temjin0014 he made a whole video before the major nerfs even came out claiming Jin was top tier
90% of the player base can't block punish or sidestep in this game.
I think there is way too much time complaining rather than learning how to play the game, which some of the blame should be placed on Namco, since there still isn't a sufficient tutorial to teach you how to use training mode and defend yourself against your opponent.
Learning how to tech throws and SS got me to tekken king. Which character I played really didn't matter.
bro you must know that jin was the least nerfed top tier character since the release of the game
3 words Jin is OP
Just makes sense, you release an opinion with whatever facts you have.
You get feedback that introduce new facts or perhaps another pov then release a new opinion based on those.
Either way you shouldn't just take the opinion"X character is OP" like a fact.
It's the arguments that you should take and form your own opinion.
That’s what happened to Azucena. The whiners got her overnerfed. Now that she’s much weaker, they just complain about anyone else better than their character.
wr32 (nerfs were harsh though), powercrush and maybe 11 nerfs were deserved but honestly should have kept the other stuff.
The fact u lose to Raven means only one thing Moonsault slayer……..”You are no true ninja.”
Lidia is not as strong in heat state as people think. Her HAE stance can still be beat by sidestep duck after certain moves. I think there's still more research to be done to truly realize how strong the character is in heat state with time.
Whoever is Haradas' favorite is who you should be in a prize tournament
I think the reason for Knee not recommending him has to do with how strong the character is, when I see Joka playing Feng it looks like he is becoming worse as a player. Which explains why strong players like Ash pick strong but not the best character when he plays. Even JDCR says something similar on why in Tekken 7 he doesn't use Devil Jin or Kazuya who were stronger Than their old man
I'm not a regular watcher as this is only my second video. As you were addressing the clmment about abrupt endings, I saw the next video previews show up and saw only two seconds were remaining. This got a good laugh out of me.
The ending 💀💀😂😂
I think Raven hasn’t been buffed yet because he absolutely wrecks everyone purple tier and below purely off knowledge checks, especially with his 1 frame shadow clone parry. Once ppl start clocking onto his bag of tricks I think then he’ll get buffed
Yoshi lost life when he spins. It's fair
Maybe if he lost more health it would be balanced
@@FearSubaruI didn’t even notice. That’s how little risk is in it.
It's not fair.
He is like zafina and Kunimitsu in T7. Eliminate a mix up by movement.
Yoshi can spin out of things no one else can. Sure he loses SOME health but he doesn't have to use defense for specific situations. That's not fair.
Give everyone a move like that OR. Nerf the benefit of it. Yoshi is already unique. He doesn't need spin to be Yoshi. He needs the sword. That's it.
The #1 reason it's broken is because he can recover permanent hp AND they implemented chip damage for everyone.
He can't have it all lmfao
@@ItsDonBroso you want everyone to play the same? Gooot it
All my friends who main feng dropped him right after patch 1.04 He got nerfed I don’t even remember why it happened ehh I main Claudio btw
Knee falling off… sad to see. All the other pros surpassing him or most already have, Knee is struggling for his life in modern day tekken rn. He’s past his prime time to hang the gloves up champ, you had a good run but by all means keep running if you want, it’s gonna be entertaining.
He’d still body you tho 🤷♂️
Probably the reason why he says that is because Feng was used a lot in recent tournament by Kkokkoma and Mulgold
The reason why the video ends abruptly because......(video done, to be continued.....)
Triple H WWW
Joka is the feng player in T8 right now.
He might be playing Dragunov.
He had to switch to Reina to win the Bazz Gauntlet, Feng is not without its problem 😂
Because Feng isn't very good when you have to be playing againta Nina, Dragunov, Alisa l, Yoshi it's no suprise that knee is dropping Feng
I don't agree at all that Yoshi is now a rushdown character in Tekken 8, but 100% agree with how difficult it is to have conversations about him.
The character is complex so Yoshi mains won't agree on everything; people latch on to the ones that have a similar opinion and everyone else are downplayers. So exhausting.
4:53 How is Lidia A tier? That's crazy. At the most she has to be on the B tier. AT MOST.
Jin is not A tier. He’s definitely S tier 😂
People are still winning with feng though..
it's ok for knee to drop feng, he should be focusing more on bryan
Yoshi have been a character that "cheats" with his tools. Then paid for it with worse pokes/strings and worse reward per launch.
Patching those holes just makes a character like Akuma that just "cheats'.
Man too many characters with no cons is boring.
Feng is strong with a good player behind him, but there are much more gimmicky charachters and good for mashing, those are the ones that shouldnt be too powerfull
Its cause Feng is a defensive character.
But people dont know that because EVERY CHARACTER IS THE SAME NOW.
As a feng main I can’t lie they did him kinda dirty with heat and dmg he barely lands 80+ dmg his heats don’t even launch like everybody else heat anymore I can still win but it’s some characters that actually are crazier then him feng just utilize all his moves vs other characters don’t
It's been a few days since I abandoned my Feng, after that now I don't play with him anymore lol
Man did not just say master raven was op
Knee needs to just drop the game. He doesnt know how to adapt to the T8 playstyle. it hurts my soul watching his T7 playstyle in T8.
Dude he beat Ulsans Dragunov recently with Bryan he is still bloody good he just needs to find a character that works for him. With time he will adapt.
The ending when full Sopranos
Their no need for Yoshi to get nerf the only thing you can say that needs to be nerf for Yoshi is his heat smash but that’s for every character that still have a homing heat smash and that one move that goes we’re he can decide to go in to helicopter stance. T
The ending ! 😂
I promise y’all Knee isn’t talking to us, he’s talking to the ppl at his level
Random tekken player "Omg, Feng is low teir now!!" 🙄
then suddenly arshlan used feng in grand finals and win the game
Wish I had a voice in this entire thing. Yoshi is not broken, flash is the only thing that need to be nerfed, it should be a 12 frame start up like Victor's B2. Then let Yoshi keep everything else. Not a Yoshi main, haven't even played him yet
Instead of dropping Feng Wei, I suggest you drop this godawful game that is Tekken 8 altogether.
4:47 knee
Can't believe you Claudio in S tier he's C at best.
The downplay is insane.
Of Feng? I agree with a vengeance.
And Arslan downplay Nina, pros do it all the time, since forever, in every FG
But he said yoshi is top 5... are you guys for real? NPCs spamming the same voicelines have more intriguing personalities
@@alexdano96 Are we downplaying Yoshi now? Lol, you sound like an NPC yourself.
@@amitypredator9385 we have 2 facts here:
1) in this video moon said he considers yoshi top 5
2) the comment that I replied to states "the downplay is insane" which is obviously not the case due to fact no.1 (unless, YOU consider top 5 in a game of 32 characters, weak)
Now you tell me where exactly do I sound like an NPC and why.
tbh I say all this assuming "the downplay is insane" goes for yoshi, since this is what happens 99% of the time in every comment
feng is my second main he has bad range and his lows are pretty risky comapred to dragunov , jin , nina , king etc , his heat smash is pretty usless, too slow and very vulnerable to 15 frame moves , he has a tracking shoulder but doesnt work on drag and lily , and knee wasnt struggling , he was playing bryan and uslan was on crack with dragunov
I agree with most of the points being made in this video however it's relatively easy to see in my opinion that they changed the game to address all of the issues and complaints with the Tekken series up until Tekken 7.
T7 was a step in the right direction but the entire system needed a overhaul.
You no longer have to fight as if you and your opponent are avoiding a puddle...
(I'm dead serious)
Personally I love how they handled the mechanics regarding throws.
Knee's probly trolling.
Where is RysingSol from the tierlist?
Nah Knee's washed up now.
Starting to think nerfs may not be fixing the issues with the game.
Everyone is a rushdown character in this game, while everyone is also crazy strong, even the weaker chasracters, so once you start rushing down its really hard to defend if you dont know the matchup that well, nerfing might do some work but the problem is that someone can get to bushin with something like 45 defense while if he had 45 in attack he would be stuck in red ranks, and im probably being really generous here. The game is not balanced to its core. The characters might be similar in strength to eachother but the game system is overtuned
@@alexdano96I couldn't have put it better myself. Players rely so much on cheap offense that they never bother learning how to engage with more advanced mechanics like movement or even learning match ups. Most players can't even block punish or tech throws... and they want to talk about what's balanced or not 🤨?
I also call into question whether or not there is genuine overwhelming discontent with the game, or if we just have more internet personalities voicing their opinion on YT.
There are things that I'd like to see changed, like improved backdashing, but I think character balance is overstated rn. System wide mechanics need more attention imo.
Mulgold won VSFighting with Feng over the weekend so wouldn't say he is not viable.
Because he fought an Asuka.. just because king Rey's asuka went to the final doesn't make it Viable she's still absolutely Trash.
I believe the reason Knee is dropping Feng is because he is not "OP" in T8 in the same way some characters were in T7.
In T7 you had characters with moves that simply did everything and had zero risk. Think Steve B1, Akuma's low foward into death combo... there are plenty of others we could list.
By relying on moves like this, you had less to think about, and so long as you made the right decision at the character select screen, you could turtle in a way you just cant in T8. Backdashing was also better in that game, not crazy good, but noticably better than in T8. Personally, I dont agree with the dev's decision to nerf backdash in T8, but thats another conversation.
Now in T8, I dont believe Knee has found a character that is do oppresive that he doesnt have to take any risks offensively and defensively. The closest he could get to that was with Drag. This game still requires defense, but its not like in T7 where you could option select an entire mixup and void most of a character's movelist. You need strong character knowlege and be able to adapt to your opponents offense. Basically... you gotta make more reads.
I think T8 is actually is in a pretty good place character balance wise, and the issues with the game are more system based. Side walking is VERY strong in this game, which is a tool to be utilized in offensive and defensive play. I think the issue with this game is that its too easy to "get in" on your opponent and force mixups.
If there were less moves that allowed you to skip neutral play, moves that essentially push your character across the screen without having to properly condition your opponent to block which then allow you to move in and start your offense, this game would be a lot better. Buffing backdash would help as well.
I think people are talking way too much about characters rn. More attention needs to be devoted to the system mechanics.
No T7 was worthy of the complaints too many characters were just insanely busted the gaps in characters strength in T7 was so ridiculous especially compared to T8 certain characters were so busted in T7 they got rid of mechanics like the jump back turn side switch because characters like akuma and geese were unstoppable n could constantly force it to happen
Feng is good but people have been massively over exaggerating him in T8 and I can see why Knee doesn’t recommend him at high level..
1 - He is very unsafe and has to take big risks if he’s making the approach.
2 - He doesn’t have much in the way of strings so you have to rely on good movement, timing, evasion, 5050s and gimmicks.
3 - Heat is very strong but nothing compared to a lot of other characters.
He can carry you as far as Tekken god but from that point on against the big dogs you have to work your ass off trying to outsmart people..
He’s extremely powerful and overwhelming up to a certain level, but not viable for pro level tournaments at all unless you like taking your chances with 50 50.
Basically in a nut shell - if your opponent guesses correctly then Feng dies.
i like the ending
I assume, he doesn't recommend Feng because he's well aware that the guy will eventually become unusable lmao
Feng is too punishable and unsafe , he has to do alot to win while other characters have to do little to win.
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Let's compare him to Bryan...Bryan clearly has to do a lot less to win.
But Feng is one of the best characters in the game because he has more chances to win more interactions...in previous games he had low combo damage(balancing him), not anymore 😅
He is punishable and unsafe? Are you playing Devil Jin?
Feng is fine...
His nerfs made him way worse then top tiers now , Nina, Dragunov, Alisa. His full crouch leg sweep that got nerfed made him so much more predictable and easier to play against.
Womp womp im a yoshi main my opinion doesnt matter
i literally liked the video just for the ending
Feng will forever be strong AF until they gut him completely from nerfs
What do u mean by rush down character
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Broo he does this in tekken 3 lmao .. i used to be a yoshi back then .. xD
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