5 tips! Lies about starting a D&D group!
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2022
- Paid Sponsor: www.kickstarter.com/projects/...
How to start a new group in D&D! Where do I find a group, how do I get people to play with me?
Songs:
Faster Than My Dreams by Adam 7
Waltz by Sunny Fruit
Ballerina by Yehezkel Raz
Return of the Gladiator by Kadir Demir 
Кино
Zee walking around town, ranting about DnD, and peeking teary eyed through windows, is not something I expected, but am glad I witnessed.
I can relate to much
Peeking ❤ Sorry it's a condition
It's like getting a glimpse at his real life.
Witness!
seeing everybody disappear one by one with reason after reason hurts me on a spiritual level
Prospect: "I've got real life things."
DM: "That's okay! Real life comes first!"
DM: *cries in lack of real life things*
Honestly, as someone who lives alone in a city far from IRL friends and family...
That's a *M O O D*
I feel called out.
Hits too close to home
Why must you hurt me this way? Yes i spend 30 hours a day working on DnD things, but I mean, come on, not everyone has to have a life... right?
Screaming "I AM REAL" and grabbing and shaking them really should work, but it never seems to get the point across for some reason
I love the strategy of "trick them into playing a campaign by calling each quest/mission a short-shot... that just happen to all be linked together" 😂
This is the literal origin story of critical roll
@@user-mu8ok5xf8d 😆 it is, isn’t it?
I tried to limit my DM duties doing this, by only promising a short shot. But my group pressured me into making it regular long-form DnD after the last session.
If you do it right, its not a trick. It allows low cost entry for new players while saving you as the dm headaches when you have player churn. Its the logic behind many of the original campaigns. Create a world the players play in rather than a story the players play through.
@@ghandiwon I mean... it IS a trick, but more like a magic trick, not a "aha! you activated my trap card" -trick.
I have never seen a numbered list with this much narrative and emotional range. I laughed, I cried, I learned how to schedule D&D groups. No notes.
"I learned how to schedule D&D groups."
Pix or it didn't happen.
I love how every character is so wildly different aesthetically to Zee, like they're "normal" people to Zee's TTRPG people
The parents defs give off huge "normal-core" energy
Except Zac...
And they're the ones who look weird. Like something about the "normal people" art style is just... icky to me. It's not even the clash, they just... Ew.
only Zac as Zee have 4 fingered hands, everyone else seems to have 5 fingered hands. very weird and intentional.
It’s great! Big Mario in New Donk City vibes
I love that baby is labeled as "bullshit reason".
One of our players played throughout her pregnancy, and well into the new born baby phase.
Honestly I've seen most of these as legitimate reasons. (Not Laundry day. Go fuck yourself, if that was a problem then you wouldn't have been set up to play that day to begin with.) Including car trouble, despite being a online game. The guy needed to go out and get his car checked by people because it broke down the previous day and so his day went down the crapper. Baby problem similarly was needing to take the baby for a checkup and the only free day that week was DnD. And I myself have had work just one-sidedly decide to break prior agreements and either call me in or change my schedule permanently to cover game day. (I ALSO had work try to call me in despite months of warnings that I couldn't be called in when I went on vacation with my family and was 2000 miles away from work. Including one place I worked at which shadow fired me after failing to call me in while I was on the other side of the country. Just stopped calling me in to work events at all because they decided I betrayed them when I didn't show up for the ONE event I told them ahead of time I couldn't work.)
@@Sandman382 Holy fuck!
That's an incredibly shitty employer!
Sounds like those ass holes couldn't be bothered to check the vacation time calendar.
I hope you've landed someplace that respects you, and pays more.
Keep playing even when the baby is there, and you'll have another player in just a few years. I've played D&D with my six year old nephew before.
My longest standing player has GMed entire D&D campaigns for exclusively his kids, and has now even played in games GMed by his kids for the whole family. Start 'em young, make it a family institution. ;-)
@@NathanielJordan85 Oh damn!
That's impressive!
Another tip: very few people cancel suddenly twice in a row. Even fewer three times. If they cancel four times in a row you have a seat ghost and should deal with it accordingly.
Of course with reasonable exceptions, like your friend who got in a car crash and has been in rehab for 4 weeks should not be treated as a ghost
true. regrettably i have been that person once. i should've said something, but i was just too drained of energy.
@@Brent-jj6qi yeah but that's not sudden, at least not after the first one
Yup
@@Brent-jj6qi I misread this as 'your friend who got in a car wash' and was highly confused, but amused.
"At the end of the double shot, give them some magic trash that matches their build and makes them think about all the cool shit they could do at higher levels" made me belly-laugh from the word 'trash' onwards. Brilliant. 'Take this +1 elven breadknife with a Light enchantment.'
Careful if you have creative players, that can backfire on you big time.
I know I'm hella late on this, but I think he's actually saying "treash" as in short for "treasure"
Getting people in the habit of gaming is a huge part of it. One of our players had an existential crisis when she realized she'd turned down a date because "Sunday is D&D." We have been playing for 7 years straight across 7 hours of time zones. Game day is serious business.
that is when you should invite the date to D&D.
That feels like a sign that you're taking D&D too seriously, but the problem is if you skip D&D to go on one date, and that date turns into a relationship, it's very easy for Sunday to turn into date night instead of D&D
@@RainAngel111 Not sure I'd call that taking D&D too seriously. It *is* a prior commitment, and one that's much more difficult to find a different schedule time for than a date. Scheduling a date just requires the schedules for 2 people to line up. D&D requires aligning the schedules of at least 3 people, often more. And as you said, breaking the D&D schedule once has the potential to break it forever, and if you have to give up on something that brings you joy to be in a relationship, that doesn't sound like a healthy relationship (with the obvious stipulation that the thing that brings you joy is harmless, not advocating for the twisted people who get joy out of other people's misery and such).
@@jacintacapelety9600 it is definitely taking D&D too seriously. I love d&d, but people have a lot going on in their life, to miss a session on occasion is fine. There's a big difference between skipping one session and giving up on D&D.
If players are putting d&d ahead of everything else they do, if it prioritizes their schedule with respect to other social activities, I would argue that's similar behavior to an addiction. I don't think that is the case here, but something people should be mindful of when they put d&d on a pedestal.
@@RainAngel111 I mean, my example's a little pithy. It's not like it was do-or-die. A date can be rescheduled just like a game session can, and we definitely do have the occasional break when folks can't make it. If that player said she had a date that evening and needed to cancel, we'd have been cool with it. It was her own realization that, "Huh, I just cancelled a date to play D&D", where she discovered her own priorities in that situation.
This is so accurate it hurts. Planning play time is truly the most difficult thing players and DMs can face.
i once had a wargaming group that met every weekend for a year. 4-6 rotating people who were into the game. it broke up because some of us had to move, but man, that was good. And everyone was clean and showered. fokkin excellent
PF2e even recognizes this in the core rulebook.
The real TPK is scheduling...
@@RyNsWoRLD sad that last one even has to be discussed
Found myself a group that has committed to every other Monday for the past 4 years. I love them.
Yes! What I've felt is the biggest campaign killer is people who kinda-sorta-totally want to play but keep prioritizing other things over DnD even *after* you have set a date, because it's 'just a weekly game'. Like, I get there are more important things but I feel once everyone has agreed on a date, that should take precedence over other things because you have now entered into a social obligation to show up, *especially* in groups that avoid playing without everybody there where your absence can cancel the entire game night for everyone.
So I have started seeing "Can stick to a set schedule/agreed-upon date" as the #1 priority player trait when thinking about who I want to play with in a regular game.
Because having all your investment and excitement fizzle over months just because someone can or will not make time feels extremely bad.
I know this exact feeling, I was just lucky that the player who caused that issue was self-aware enough and/or considerate enough of other people that she just left the dnd group
Then we got a player that could not make it to roughly every 3rd session, so he asked that we play the sessions without him and we finally all switched off the "everyone needs to be here" rule
They're both lovely people and I'm really scared of how many people won't be like those 2
TIP #6 - doublecheck if maybe you're putting a bit too much pressure on the rest of your players. Passion is a slippery slope to Tyranny.
… thank you, I needed to hear that…
So bloody guilty there.
NONSENSE!
HELP! I've been attacked! It needed to be said, so, thank you for saying it
Unless Tyranny is what you're going for...
Never betray a man with a beard. Beards have a millenia old hive mind, and beard holders can tap into an ancient, primal, world shattering rage thanks to millenia of beard lore. It will not end well, and every beard holder shall know the slight you have passed on to their kinsmen.
Oh, I so gonna steal that! Thank you.
@@TheDocAstaroth im debating making it a parasitic abberation or a magic item, itd be great
So... is that why I generally don't like people?
@@theastralwanderer691 i assume you are of the hive mind. This would explain things yes.
*beardsmen
Wow, a listicle with a plot, an emotional core, an existential crisis, and a twist. Not sure why the gods graced us with such delicious content but I like it
Zee is a generous god
Summary:
1: Get your friends interested with a two-session adventure, then add more sequential adventures at the same day and time
2: Have someone who shows up every week, likely the DM, and remind people about the game
3: Invite more people than you would ideally prefer to DM for; most likely some will show up consistently and others rarely
4: Snacks and breaks during games
5: This wasn't actually a tip, it was more just part of the video's plot
tip 6: figure out why that one annoying friend decided to do the equivalent of making a group chat with everyone minus you and start his own horrible system, then beat the shit out of him
@@blikthepro9727 . switch names .do a plastic.surgury and move to Argentina
I think actually tip 5 was a real tip and it was about having a grand ol time with friends outside of DnD, creating a close knit group that can get along without the *only* demand being the dungeons and the dragons.
The overarching story and the irony within that compared to the tips truly make this an exceptional episode of animated 👏
Tip number 6
nail down a day BEFORE you begin to assemble players.
Everyone, from the start, remains on the same page for when to meet. Makes everything a lot easier to manage.
But if your trying to lure them in like at the beginning of the video it dosent work out so well
I just recently experienced why this is absolutely necessary. Joined a game on r/LFG and all seven players were at an impasse on when to play because the DM didn’t set a day or time before recruiting people.
The only problem to that is you better hope enough of your friends are available that day to play, otherwise it's back to the drawing board. Works great with randos tho.
Are we going to get a story on why everyone made a new group behind his back instead of just admitting why they kicked him?
If im not mistaken that assesment is inacurate. Larry wasnt one of Zees players, hes just the other DM so Id say its more like Zees players looked for a new DM or got poached. What Im tryna say is, I dont think you can rly kick a DM, you can only leave theyr game
Zee's got a penchant for Gritty Realism, probably wanted a campaign where someone doesn't get Game of Thrones'd every session.
It's his ruling about the jumping distance, isn't it?
@@tuomasronnberg5244 No its the Hozer who TPKed an entire party... TWICE.
@@tuomasronnberg5244 Or using realistic carry weight systems.
I feel you, Zee. Supposed to play tonight. But one in the group has an Anniversary trip and our DM is having sleep issues. Life gets in the way, but you just have to make it that much more fun when everyone does make it. The real BBEG is trying to get five adults in a room at the same time for three hours.
Small tip. Give everyone a day before reminder, then a morning/noon reminder, and lastly a 1-2 hour before reminder. Try to get people to reply and comment to those messages to get people talking about it. It makes sure the game is on their minds. When the "captain" and someone else say that they will be there it shows the game is 100% going forward and you don't want to miss out.
Shear momentum keeps a group together better than anything else I've tried. Picking a day and then finding the players who can stick to it.
my group plays on the first and third friday of the month. its predictable and easy to plan around. holidays take priorities.
I can agree. Every Monday for nearly three years now my campaign happens. If there's a month or two between two campaign, there are chillout evenings in our Discord Server until the next campaign starts. all players who're new to campaign have one simple rule: Be ready to play on mondays, we don't switch to a different day.
Every Tuesday. We've been gaming as a group for almost a decade, with our current campaign heading for the 4 year mark
The advice ive heard most is that to keep a group going, you pick a timeslot every week, and you treat that agreement like a god given commandment. You do no reschedule unless absolutely necessary, you give fair warning days in advance, and keep backup options if dnd isnt an option. Make the ritual of the weekly session a religious matter.
Also everyone should treat it as a prior arrangement. If its not a matter of choice, i understand, but dont reschedule dnd night just because you wanted to do something. The session is scheduled already, dont just deviate for no good reason.
Be careful with shear momentum though, running with scissors is never a good idea.
4:10 thought he was gonna just descend into total madness and say "Nail the doors shut." XD
The key with the brownies is to work it in the story. People lose their minds cause it's a literal reward and they chase that high.
"Oh damn you charmed the baker really well. One sec..."
*DM leaves comes back with brownies* and says:
"The Baker, chuffed by your aptitude, says: Here ya go you rascals, thanks for killing those monsters for me."
There's an adventure somewhere that literally suggests using real life brownies as a reward for finishing it. It mighta been on DM's Guild. ... Maybe Zee linked it a while ago? But also maybe not, I don't remember sorry. It's out there
If you’re in person, you can also use gummy bears (or whatever small candy) as enemy minis. Kill the enemy, eat the snack.
@@badjokezach6359 that sounds. unsanitary
Wow, this video is even better than usual! The animation is beautiful, the topic is vital, the content is very well presented in a lovely little subplot, and the humor is spot on. Excellent work.
Zee is upping his game with every video. Absolutely one of the best D&D content creators out there.
Well said. It’s easy to take great content for granted when content creators make it look easy by crushing it every damn time
The Betrayal!
The one about if you’ve missed as many days than you’ve played, then yeah, campaign’s dead.
Sometimes it’s just hard to put it out to pasture when your holding that 12 gauge
I have had one come back from that. Took like a year, though.
the "team captain" tip is literally how I managed to have weekly games every single week for all 4 years I was in collage. I went to the local game shop, told the owner I wanted to run campaigns, and whoever was there that weekend played. after about a month I had a dedicated group of regulars who showed up for the next 4 years with a collection of 2-4 semi-regulars who could jump in at any point. although this obviously only worked out due to the collage town situation. also, ya know, no plague...
Basically what I did too. During the pandemic, I was basically just like game's happening on these days, whoever shows up plays as long as it's three people and eventually it became a regular campaign and I've had multiple campaigns with that group since.
Absolute gold; I didn't realize how much I needed to see Zee looking teary-eyed at his players.
That ending, i can see the inbound table flip in his eyes
That ending with the group dropping away to reform without him hits a little too close to home.
I wasn't the GM for the one game that happened to me in, but the GM himself metaphorically picked up the game table, invites all the other players into the next room, and locked the door on me.
Uh, wow. What brought THAT on?
@@Erhannis Yes! Explain yourself, witch! 😜
I've seen it happen. 2 different groups tried to shunt a friend of mine out stealthily while they were off their meds because the doctors and insurance were being assholes. One group functionally succeeded, but there were in another group I DM'd with them and then decided to stir up shit in my game and got it killed. The other group tried to swap to something they thought the player wouldn't like....they loved it and joined, then the players all ended up attached to the new character of that person.....except one who the DM brought in 'to keep his sanity' around them and who was a massive dickbag who caused EVERY problem in the game that the GM didn't cause himself(GM couldn't believe anything less then a truck could carry 100lbs of armor....dumbass.) then eventually the GM flipped his shit when dickbag tried to leave the game after getting pissed for the 12th time that being a dumbass didn't conform reality to his ideals and the entire thing exploded because the GM basically said he wouldn't play without that player if someone was going to leave it'd be the player(who was now on their meds again since the swap of games and being very well behaved) they didn't like....the one that 3 other players wouldn't function without because of how entwined their stories had become.....meanwhile dickweed's character was 'loner who smokes and drinks. He punches things with his fists all the time and doesn't like using guns. Has sawed off shotgun because GM forced him to have a gun since trying to punch Zerg aliens in a leather coat is suicide.' who threatened to leave the game once because the base WE WERE BUILDING ON ARRIVAL didn't have a bar yet.
Was really too bad, he was a damn good GM when it came to roleplaying and we had two dead campaigns instead of one because of him. Just....got really dumb thoughts in his head and refused to allow things he didn't like or think of to happen. He was SUPER opposed to robot limbs in starwars, couldn't believe that people in space marine armor were able to be carried by vehicles, and despite listed armor weights refused to believe them and made the lightest powered armor like 20 tons until we had a 3 hour argument to make him realize a ATV can carry several hundred pounds and that the armor made sense to be around the weight it was maybe a LITTLE heavier, it wouldn't take a semi-truck to transport a single space marine(starcraft) and in fact a large number of vehicles are MADE space marine size since the lowest level of effective armor for anyone in that universe is space marine armor.
@@Sandman382 damn that sounds like an emotional rollercoaster.
I've had quite some campaigns die, but never this shitty
That's... uhh. Rude.
I hope you found a better group but I guess _literally any other one_ would suffice.
I love how we see them having these reasons to leave as zee just stares at them only for the bullshut excuses to actually be true and they just joined him i really just *love* how that was done
The buildings go by so quickly during the driving segments that it comes across as Zee plowing through a residential neighborhood while ranting about scheduling issues, and I love it
Well, canonically, Zee works in the game store, so he can blacklist all of them, for what that’s worth.
or lock the players inside. never letting them out.
May I just say. The poor betrayed puppy dog eyes of sadness supernova followed SWIFTLY by the deep, intense, black holes of RAAAAAAAGE was a beautiful touch.
So to summarize:
1. Don't do a campaign that runs forever. Start with a two-shot to feel everyone out, and run longer and longer adventures from there.
2. Be consistent. Have your games at a consistent time and make an effort to have the game regularly happen at those times.
3. Have a group of 2-4 players. This way you can lose a player or two for a session and still have a game.
4. Have breaks in the sessions so nobody gets burnt out, and the right snacks if in person.
5. Get people who like D&D the way you DM it, who like each other (including you!) and can all commit to a reasonable time frame. Wangrods will ruin your game no matter what time you play, system you use or what snacks you bring, so don't run with wangrods.
My tip #6: find a way to keep them engaged between sessions. When our games went remote, I started recording and made "funny" edits of the best parts - just for the group, not public. I got better at video editing and the group loved the videos as a fun recap of the last session.
Thank you for giving me the term "double shot". My friends and I use the term "three banger" for a 3 part DnD campaign, but hadn't developed one the 2 part yet.
This has been a struggle for me as a DM. I actually even alienated one of my players by being too pushy about the schedule and all that, which was very disappointing and I really took it hard and felt guilty.
One of the things that worked best for me and my group is:
1. Do try to pick a consistent time that most folks are available.
2. Make a simple way a few days in advance for players to confirm they're available. If they are, great, game on! If not, well, that sucks...especially if it's a string of unavailability.
3. If you're dealing with a slump, you have a couple of options...you can try a new schedule option if folks are available. You can work on other aspects of the campaign or a different campaign or a different group. I sometimes suffer from writers' block, but a few times we tried to always have an activity that time, even if it wasn't our main campaign.
However, I think it's important to accept that sometimes the grandest story, with the greatest people and characters and everything...won't ever truly be finished. This isn't limited to tabletop games...We all have stories we love, be it films, tv stories, movies...I'm always greatful when a grand and epic story is well and truly finished in a satisfying way. And sometimes, a touch sad that the story is really, truly over.
I'm even more sad though, when a story that had so much potential remains unfinished, unwritten...or is "finished" in a wholly unsatisfying way for whatever reason. The truth is, the more wonderful stories you attempt to write, enjoy, participate in...the more stories there will be that will be unfinished, or fall short. Sometimes so tragically that it can even cause sadness, depression, mourning. Stories, like people, are a deep part of our lives and our meaning, because without them, life is just sort of "existing".
If you can't enjoy that a story hasn't concluded in a satisfactory way, then I think the next best thing is to appreciate the parts of the story you WERE able to enjoy, and for the social aspects, the people you were able to enjoy that story with. Sometimes, if a campaign is well and truly dead, it can be nice to share an ad-hoc epilogue to bring closure and catharsis. Or you can even take a page from the "fanfic" community: take the "established canon" whatever it might be for your campaign, and write alternates on top of it / encourage players to make the story their own as they continue on.
Even with all that, I think it's okay to mourn the unfinished story, or the story that didn't stick the landing. If you think about it, all of us live lives that are often shorter, and less complete and narratively sensible then we would if we had "complete authorial control" over our lives...Yet even in our own lived stories, what matters the most is the journey and the people we share that journey with.
Well said. “The tree which does not fruit is meant for the fire.” I used to read that old proverb as a lesson in letting go and moving on. True though that may be, I now see a deeper meaning in it too: the fire is a fuel for future work, which uses the potential latent in that old wood to make something new! And even after it is burnt for its fuel, the char and ash are like a fertilizer for new growth. Suddenly, it’s not merely about leaving our treasures behind, but learning to see our stories and creations as the assemblages they’ve always been; amalgamations of characters and tropes and lore and clever twists and turns which can be disassembled and reassembled over and over again for the real reason we sought them in the first place: making compelling stories come to life with kindred spirits around the table, whenever the work is called upon.
An interesting paradox about DnD is that its a game about things that normaly attracts introverts, that relies on social contact, thats something that normaly attracts extroverts...
That ending was almost heartwarming.
For 5e D&D at least, I find the ideal group size is five players and a DM, though that is solely a matter of opinion, and if you don't already have a long-running game going I can understand that being hard to wrangle.
Likewise. Five players is my preferred D&D group size. All bases are probably covered, character-wise, and one person not being able to make still leaves you with enough players to run anyway.
Yeah I really should run 5 person games, as much as I prefer balancing 4 person parties, missing one person just wrecks that session, oof!
As the DM and very much ‘captain’ of my group: Ive always stressed a ‘low priority’ for my group, but have always gently pushed people toward talking or playing the game as much as possible, without getting annoying (or at least I hope). I’ve got five players to manage and every single one has a full time job. Have to set expectations accordingly.
A group I was in had a core trio who attended every session: the DM, the host, and the guy whose workplace has a flexible holiday policy. It worked out pretty well.
After having a group do the whole "Oh how about next week then?" thing for SIX MONTHS, this video was a nice gift.
It's okay Zee, I'll play D&D with you.
...Not this week though I'm busy.
I'm busy next week too.
I actually had a group excommunicate me via slowly making up excuses why we couldn't meet then meeting without me. It didn't turn out to have anything to do with me but rather that the DM didn't want to DM for more than 4 and as the newest member I was being axed.
My Tip #6 is: Don't mind if you have to game once a month. It's fine to do other things on the weekends, so you and your players don't risk becoming oversaturated with TTRPGs and so you (the DM) don't work yourself to death with prep and get a decent break between sessions
Wasn't another D&D table, but I had players try and pull essentially that exact thing to me. They asked me to set up a recurring game as a way for everyone to keep together after college. I quadruple checked that D&D was what they wanted to do, and made sure we had an understanding that it would be twice a month commitment, and if anyone wanted to do something different on that day, to let us all know in advance so we had time to change it up.
I would buy snacks and drinks, opened my home up to host, manage calendars, and remind people of game day. Two people constantly flaked last minute (or would just ghost) and always had something else come up that day. If they actually let me know, I would always tell them no worries, family commitments/other important stuff like that happens and take priority.
The last straw was the day they called and told me about an hour before the game that they had an emergency come up and they were so sorry they couldn't make it, but they would be busy handling that all day. Again, I told them no worries and that I hoped everyone was okay. Not 10 minutes later, one of my players, who got there early and was sitting on my couch, had his phone ring. It was the guy who just called me, of course. "Yo dude, we've got nothing going on today so me and other flake were going to the beach today! We invited too, did you want to come?"
Everyone else told them no and showed up for gameday, but needless to say I had a nice little chat with the beach bums about the incident afterwards. Turns out this also wasn't the first time they planned other things, invited everyone in the table but me, and nobody said anything to me. That happened over 6 years ago. They are still banned from my table to this day...
Tip number 6! When dealing with betrayers, aim for the solar plexus
I noticed the “Zac” in the corner of the sheet before the scene that pointed it out, and I got really confused when you immediately assumed the character was made for you.
At first glance it looked like a poorly scribbled “Zee” so I let it slide
@@MrGladiator59 Me too. I had to go back and thought "well ok, makes sense" and carried on, thinking it was sweet. An interesting way to force the plot twist.
6:00
Zee “I cast Burning Hands.”
Larry “this game doesn’t even have a magic system!”
Zee (leveling a lighter and some hairspray) “I wasn’t talking in character.”
I managed a group that met three to four times a week for the full summer vacation. The trick was that we had eight players and we played if at least three people showed up. It made for very fun variety among sessions, kept the momentum going through all the various arcs, and made for some very interesting party illustrations each week from our party’s artist
This is so true to life, I feel like my soul is being etched out into a video.
(minus the betrayal plot twist. I wish my "would be" ex friends were that spicy)
Thanks for finding a use for the short at 1:02 I honestly think that's one of the funniest skits you've ever done
Completely agree. The whole video was fun, but I had to watch that part 5 times in a row to appreciate the art style.
Meanwhile I've got my players so focused on solving mysteries that might not even exist that they refuse to leave the campaign until they're solved.
Fantastic video and animation as always.
These are good tips, and Zee sounds like a pretty good GM. Some of that work he talks about, people who have clubs and throw regular parties, don't do. I feel like the primary selling point here is: do you like fiction? Yes? Would you like your fiction tailored to you and your choices? Yes? Would you like to do in a collective setting with people you like? Yes? Then come role play.
If not, solo-rpg's exist, too.
God that ending makes me think of when something similar happened to me. Had a former friend who ran a dnd group with a handful of people I knew which was fine, but he specifically told them to not mention anything to me, which felt worse than just simply saying I'm full up/I want to run with newbies. One of the players eventually said something to me because they felt bad and also didn't like lying about it. This same player had still showed up for a few months for our dnd sessions while he was running his game, in secret.
This was an AMAZINGLY well animated episode. And the comedic timing, the content, all of it: Chef Kiss!
“Tip #5”
-and that’s when I realized his animated hands have four fingers
as someone who is beyond lucky enough to have a group of friends with fairly similar schedules I am truly grateful and I feel for all of those who have to FIND a group or put one together because it sounds so painful but at the same time when it works it can create great things... potentially
Always makes my day better to see new Zee
Wait you don’t lock your players in an abandoned warehouse on the edge of town like the puppet from Saw?
I like how Zee's fit a lot of creative storytelling into something as potentially simple as provided tips. The videos like this are fun!
My group has done really well in this regard, we game biweekly and on our off week we hang out and shoot the shit.
We take holidays to spend time with our family and this keeps the game fresh and fun.
In my group we found out really quick that a weekly game is impossible. We meet up once a month but the game is an all day session on the third sunday as that day is the only one we all don't have to work. Besides the DM we have around 7 players.
I think Zee has pinkeye, attention to detail right there.
Did I miss this one some how?! My Gods I love it!
And I gotta ask,
“You holding, bruv? Cause I’m buying.” Your content is a treasure, enlightening, and a delight. Keep at it, boyo! This wisdom is needed
I know it’s a joke. But this exact situation happened to me and it really hurts. My advice to players is to talk to your friend DMing and let them know as a group you would like a new DM and story.
awesome video. I can say that I stopped playing d&d about 5 years ago when all my friend started to get married/having babies. I basically think when you are an adult you simply can't really play d&d anymore. there's always something in the way of the game. I never played a game since
This comment section is filled with people who had to let go and probably still want to play. Maybe set up somewhere online and see of that can work for you?
Lies! You just have to want to make time...
@@erikkennedy8725 say that to my old team lol
My first DND group I made I invited 20 people, 10 showed, 5-7 became the actual group. I figured statistically I would end up with the numbers I wanted and was correct!
My DM did that and everyone said yes so he ended up splitting it into 2 parties and running 2 campaigns simultaneously. I don't know how he does it...
@@heroiclibrarian3967 it’s called being insane, some people are and some people aren’t!
I've DM'd two digital groups that each lasted for over a year. The current one has lasted over three. What works for me is what I will call the Party of Theseus method:
What I suggest doing is run Lost Mine of Phandelver weekly. If you're playing online you'll have more than enough people willing to play. Aim for mostly new players, but crucially, one veteran. The veteran can show brand new players the basic gist of being a player. Even if they fall off later, newer players usually will learn enough to be comfortable playing by session two.
This isn't the main game, this is the cutting phase. People will flake after the first session, but the demand to be a player should allow you to replace people as they leave. By the time you get to the end of it you should have a consistent group of at least four players. See Phandelver through to the end so you can confirm you like everyone in the group, kick out problem players, and start you homebrew extravaganza.
Also...only do this if you're fine being a forever DM. I haven't been in a regular campaign since before Curse of Strahd came out.
“Tip number 5!” Holds up 4 fingers
As a 5 year DM, this really hit me hard because I believe I'm currently in that stage of "losing" my players, and it is the most harrowing feeling too, especially if the reason was that you had to take a month's break due to mental health issues.
I attempted to host a session for them while I was feeling okay, which was met with an hour of effectively standing still despite my best attempts to throw plot hooks at my players, they were from what I could tell, disinterested. They seemingly didn't want to continue until they finally decided to make a move in a sluggish manner and with little of the effort they usually put into the game.
That experience has now mentally crushed me and put me in a spot where I feel I am not allowed to take breaks, asking myself if I am really enough while going between telling myself that I am and that I am not.
Thanks for putting a smile on my face Zee, even though it was born out of misfortune.
Edit: And if you are a DM and have felt like I do, remember to just take a moment, calm down, and talk with your players, if they're not willing to even do that, then leave it be.
If they are no longer interested in the game, that's ok. You have more worth than just being a dm, dnd is not everything.
Frankly, sometimes momentum is what keeps a game going. And sometimes it keeps a gaming group going.
Here's what I would suggest. First, embrace the slowness in this new beginning. People will pick things up eventually and you'll be back to a more pleasant experience. Try asking your players to be specific about what would get them more interested and engaged, if you haven't already. But second, you might also offer the idea that if this game (I'm assuming you started out with a new campaign after the long break) just isn't to their liking, for whatever reason, one of them might like to try running a game for once instead. Not as a "Oh yeah? Let's see if you do any better" king of thing, but because DMing can be a lot of fun, and from the sound of it you could use a bit more of a break. Because Playing can be a lot of fun, too, and it's certainly less work.
@@thassalantekreskel5742 So I run for two groups, one is my EU group (I am located within their time zone as well so we do it in the evenings) and then there is my American playgroup which I start at midnight (my time), what we were doing is resuming the Waterdeep: Dragon Heist module as I saw that I wouldn't be able to write for two homebrew campaigns at once, so I kept my EU group as the only homebrew campaign for now.
Presently I just believe they were a little bit lost, and they have expressed that the open-ended nature of this module has been a bit too much for them as they'll sit with choice paralysis and have expressed they enjoyed my more custom PC-made story bits that were more rail-roaded as they prefer to just enjoy a story more than having to figure out 4-5 different variables.
I'm sure it'll be fine once we're back to it on a regular schedule, and I have spoken to them about our options, before I took my break it was supposed to be that one of my players was to try setting time aside to give DM'ing a try, although they don't know when and where they should even start, so I helped them pick an easy module and taught them about how to use the VTT on the DM's end of things.
Since then however nothing has come of it, despite his initial excitement for it, I definitely would've liked to have the chance to play as a player, but I am resigned to the "curse" of Forever DM™.
I think it'll resolve itself eventually.
@@matt-ti8yw Yeah I know, unfortunately I have a tendency to attach my self worth to my performances DM'ing and/or singing, so I end up mentally harassing myself whenever something goes just a little bit wrong.
This video's combination of story-telling and helpful hints is immaculate.
I mean, if you want a new group to play with all you really need is a big soundproof basement, some chains, and a baseball bat or other club like device. Maybe keep a fridge down there with mountain dew and Doritos so they don't starve and offer extra food items to good rpers.
idk who else can relate, but when you and your group of players are primarily outdoor enthusiasts/professionals, it's even harder to schedule. "Oo, yeah it's climbing season, I can't do weekends until the 12th of next month," or "ya, so I'm hiking from Mexico to Canada for the next 7 months." Sometimes though I'm the one who's busy (the DM), "sorry guys, I'm camping that weekend"
I love how different people can look and still feel like they belong! It feels more like real life even when some are really cartoonish!
Woo! Zee is always a good time!
I love how Zee draws everyone with normal hands, but he has 3 fingers and a thumb. It's so jarring once you notice it, especially with how long his fingers are
While you were standing in front of the coffee shop, your watch kept switching wrists. That's some impressive magic.
I cant get My friends to Get Together for one day to save my life
The gags are top notch, as always Zee
I somehow missed this until going back through the Lying dice playlist. F'ing bell icon is rung and everything.
Anyways absolutely loved this, from the solid advice to the emotional rollercoaster, just fantastic.
Fantastic video! Now it’s easy to understand why “solo play” is growing….if you are going to do all of the work for your game- you might as well enjoy it
wait, his party bailed on a BIRTHDAY GAME? wtf!!!
As a DM that's been having multiple games rescheduled recently and having alot of time to think about story hooks and homebrewed magic items and just everything and everyone in my games, this was an amazing time to watch this amazing video. Thanks Zee, keep doing you.
After you watch the video, re-watch the 1st few seconds and it tells a different story than the 1st time you watched the video... And you can never go back...
The "tip number THREE!" cut seriously got me haha
Love it. The quality of the animation and the comedic timing is getting so very solid.
I respect you a lot as a content creator and D&D player, and it makes me feel good to see this video with tips on things I already try to do for players with the hopes it’ll work, (which is does by the way) and feel validated. Amazing video and animation 🔥
Being a DM is an eternal struggle of raising new little DMs so you can finally F**king play
"If the number of games you've played in a campaign is outnumbered by the number of games your group has rescheduled or missed... your game is dead." This is seriously the most true fact EVER. Honestly, all it takes is one month of missed play. After that, it's over, in my experience.
Yes!!! 🎉 Another video from Zee! Thanks for all of the hard work!!
Love this! Also 5:05 made me do a spit take! Keep em coming Zee!
I had something similar happen to my birthday game a couple years ago. 8 player one shot pre-made characters that I vetted with he players for interest, I spent like 150 dollars on pizza and brownies, and 6 people canceled, the 2 that showed up had a good time and came back again next year for a second one shot, so I won in spirit.
The way he says "Tip #3" is hilarious to me
Wish I'd had this video a couple years ago. I attempted to take my first step into DnD by DMing for a group of friends who were sorta interested and completely unfamiliar. While in the middle of college, I tried to start us off with an completely hand-written home brew. The first combat scene took so fing long. After like 5 sessions we tried switching to premade but by that point I was falling behind and had to give up the dream 😭
Going to use these tips and more than just the tip for the homies
Thank you so much for this video. I've had so many false starts with D&D over the years I've dragged my feet for almost a year after a couple of friends explicitly said they wanted to play and would like me to DM. Then TikTok shows me your cropped-down version of this and now, less than a week later, we have our session 1 booked (on a Sunday, no less) and five players raring to go.
For those that want a "Double shot", run the 4th edition dm guide adventure "Kobold Hall" in short 2 hour sessions. 1st session is for Fallcrest, a random encounter, and then the first 2-3 rooms in the Kobold Hall, session 2 is for the 4th and 5th room, as well as getting back to town to claim the reward
Ive used this adventure at every table I run with new players, and it hasnt failed once
Used the "let's shoot to play like every other week" line with a few friends who have wanted to play for a long time. Finally got together last Thursday for a "0.5" session, where we finished up making characters and I set them up with a generic dungeon so they could learn how to navigate the game. Played for nearly 4 hours, and they have not stopped talking about what they want their characters to be like, goals they want their characters to accomplish, and what is waiting at the end of the dungeon they didn't quite finish. Made my little DM heart so full of love !
Good luck, because that way lies only madness.
Also, I am so glad your players liked it.
@@oz_jones oh I know. Been dming for 6 years now. Been infected with the madness ever since.
Dude, Zee, first time I've ever commented on one of your vids but I've seen them all. This is THE BEST one you've made so far. Like seriously I'd watch a Hulu series with Justin Roiland's name plastered onto it with this kind of humor. If you keep this level of hilarity, you could make it to the big leagues. 100%.