MP-1 Fun - Nuno Settings, 3TM & More

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  • @guitardave
    @guitardave 3 года назад +18

    “ADA” and “Nuno settings” - instant like!

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Instant crunchy stuff!

  • @travisrusselldc
    @travisrusselldc 3 года назад +10

    You had me at “Nuno”
    Sick tones! Thanks for posting.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it! Been meaning to do this one for ages

    • @KzZk-ye9gp
      @KzZk-ye9gp 10 месяцев назад

      Wtf is a Nino?

  • @jlynnb1
    @jlynnb1 3 года назад +5

    If I remember correctly the Bill Lawrence pup in his signature is really bright, probably explains the settings with so much bass boost and treble cut

  • @StevenBelong72
    @StevenBelong72 Год назад +1

    Love these tones! I first heard these way back in the day from Paul Gilbert and Bruce Bouilette. Great vid!

  • @Bash_Man
    @Bash_Man 3 года назад +1

    Very nice Leon. I've had my 3TM modded MP-1 since about a month when they first were relased on the ADA Depot. Still have it. One of my fav preamps to this day. Been wanting to rebuild the full rack... Keep the great content coming. Cheers

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      Nice! Get that rack going again :D

  • @richwalter5322
    @richwalter5322 2 года назад +1

    I have 2 MP-1's currently (one in the rack, one as backup)... using a Furman PQ-3 to boost it and a BBE 411 to really make it shine (MP-1's really need the BBE if you ask me, and in the studio Michael Wagener used a BBE 802 on all those classic 80's albums including Nuno's tone). Great video as always!

  • @kospandx
    @kospandx 3 года назад +1

    A new ADA video from Leon is always appreciated! Speaking of which, ages ago I told you that I had read that I had heard that Angus Young used the ADA MP-1 for a while, and I've finally been able to source the claim: it came from an interview with our guys Vito and George in Guitar for the Practicing Musician in 1989. Vito, of course, had just been on tour with AC/DC at the time, although I will have to add that his phrasing is less committal than I remember. Is there any way to get in touch with you outside of here? I'd be happy to send you the quote in question, but YT doesn't allow external links in the comment section.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      Sure, flick me a DM on instagram

  • @cliftonwright7081
    @cliftonwright7081 3 года назад +2

    There’s Nunone like you! I can’t wait for the nights with Nün! I imagine the tones on tunes!

  • @pepeseverino
    @pepeseverino 3 года назад +4

    ADA MP-1 Classic my secret weapon 🤟 Thanks Leon 🤟

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      The classic is something I've been searching for, all I need to complete the collection!

  • @stevenmgyori3826
    @stevenmgyori3826 3 года назад +1

    Good morning Leon! Thanks for the Demo! Great to see The Green Monster! Nice tones, Thanks for sharing Brother!
    Dr appointments next 3 days, wish me Luck! Be Well All!

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Godspeed my brother!

    • @stevenmgyori3826
      @stevenmgyori3826 3 года назад +1

      @@LeonTodd Thank you Much!

    • @JesusChrist-nc8pr
      @JesusChrist-nc8pr 3 года назад +1

      @@stevenmgyori3826;
      🇻🇦✝️🇻🇦♌️🇻🇦✝️🇻🇦

    • @stevenmgyori3826
      @stevenmgyori3826 3 года назад

      @@JesusChrist-nc8pr Aww, Thanks for sharing! Be Well!

  • @mrparkinson
    @mrparkinson 3 года назад +1

    There is a thread on Gearspace where Michael Wagener shared the settings of the preset that he claimed to use on Skid Row, Extreme, and White Lion's albums he recorded. The settings are different here, but maybe the original was a starting point, who knows. Still cool, all these years later the ADA MP1 still kicks ass! Cool video sir!

    • @mrparkinson
      @mrparkinson 3 года назад +1

      Here is the post. gearspace.com/board/showpost.php?p=364951&postcount=33

    • @evtguy
      @evtguy 3 года назад +1

      For anyone looking for this, you'll find the settings in the discussion at this link: gearspace.com/board/high-end/36736-questions-michael-wagener-2.html

    • @stevemineer2857
      @stevemineer2857 3 года назад +1

      I think you mean Gearslutz. He said he used the same exact settings on all three players. Nuno’s tracks sound like he had a Rat pedal added to the equation. It’s far more percussive and punchy where Vito sounds smoother and warmer.

    • @mrparkinson
      @mrparkinson 3 года назад +1

      @@stevemineer2857 Gearslutz changed their name to Gearspace a while back.

    • @stevemineer2857
      @stevemineer2857 3 года назад +2

      @@mrparkinson Ah ok. I haven’t been there in years. Thanks.

  • @thechannelforeverything2170
    @thechannelforeverything2170 3 года назад +3

    All those blinking lights makes it look like something from Star Trek TOS or Star Wars.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Hahaha totally

    • @nicholastotoro7721
      @nicholastotoro7721 3 года назад +2

      “The lights are all blinking out of sequence, sir!”
      “Well get them to blink *in* sequence!”

  • @d-mack7053
    @d-mack7053 3 года назад

    @LeonTodd Once again our beloved MP-1!!!!!! GREAT WAY SPEND LUNCH BREAK!!!!!!

  • @Bricklinsv1970
    @Bricklinsv1970 3 года назад +8

    You really need to hear the ADAMP1 powered by a Mesa Boogie Strategy 500 cranked. Its mind blowing!

    • @sabrosapurr
      @sabrosapurr Год назад +1

      I used to run mine with a Mesa Boogie Simulclass 2:90. Also amazing.

  • @hobronerhobroner1848
    @hobronerhobroner1848 2 года назад

    "If its worth doing its worth over doing" true 80's lifestyle proverb and should b on a tombstone

  • @alanjacob8542
    @alanjacob8542 5 месяцев назад

    And also thanks for the nuno setting!!

  • @irmasil3
    @irmasil3 Год назад

    You gotta love the ADA MP1s...The ONLY preamp for me who did it for the Nuno sound. Remember Nuno doesn't actually alternate pick his riffs, he just legatos the shit out of them while palm muting to get this percussive tone....It's absolutely tricky to nail it and I only managed to get it sound "right" (that is super clean and articulate and over-compressed BUT not muddy at all) with the ADA 3TM and a very Trembly pickup but NOT super high output (Bill Lawrence (becky) is better compared to the Duncan)...the best fit for a. pickup was from a 1986 Charvel Model 4, Jackson pickup which is literally like having a compressor in front :)

  • @rickjones7416
    @rickjones7416 2 года назад

    Love my mp-1! I know rack gear has kinda gone out of style, but it does offer way more versatility.
    My mp-1 is stock. I bought it for 200 bucks a couple of years ago. I’ve been looking to get another one, but the price is more than 3times that now if you can find one.
    I wasn’t too happy with it at first, but I ran it through an eq and it totally came alive! Good stuff!

  • @MKRISING75
    @MKRISING75 3 года назад

    Thanks LT great content me and brother use to own a brand new MP-1 when they came out wish I still had it!Rock on🤘killer tone!

  • @pv6505
    @pv6505 Год назад

    I WANT MY MP-2 BACK!! I was young and dumb and couldn't dial it in the way I "wanted". Hindsight, I had some fantastic sounds!!

  • @KauffeyBean
    @KauffeyBean 3 года назад

    Yay! MP-1 is always synonymous with Fun! Were using your V30 4x12 IR for this video?

  • @guitarhero9147
    @guitarhero9147 3 года назад +2

    Hey Leon. Can you do a video where you show how to dial in the bottom MP-1 tone in to the Axe-Fx III? I'll bet that would sound amazing!!!

  • @peterknicked
    @peterknicked 3 года назад +2

    I still use my MP1. Love it. A tad bit noisy though. But great tone with EHX 12AX7 Gold. Mine is slightly modded back in the 90ties

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +2

      Do the noise mod on it - my 3TM has it and it's way quieter. Basically just need to replace some caps

    • @SimsCustomGuitars
      @SimsCustomGuitars 11 месяцев назад

      I have the MP1 Classic which is quieter than the standard MP1

  • @Chadass80
    @Chadass80 8 месяцев назад

    I still have my ADA MP1 in the rack. I modded it using a kit from adadepot, the mesa 666 mod. Basically, it adds more low end and more mid tone control as well as gain.

  • @_mysilentblue2227
    @_mysilentblue2227 3 года назад

    Alaways love the MP-1 videos. I still have mine from the 80's. When is Cliff going to add it to the Fractal gear? It is all over the request gear to add, in the forums.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Oh mate I'd love if they add it! At the moment try the "big hair" model and drop the tonestack frequency to 550hz

  • @professormindless
    @professormindless 20 дней назад

    Thank you so much for making a video. I just purchased my first ADA mp-1 preamp! Unfortunately it's not holding the preset settings! This particular model does not have the switch on the top. I think most likely the battery needs to be replaced but I don't have the skills to do that if it's hardwired in there. Any advice would be appreciated! Keep doing what you do!

  • @markfranke8326
    @markfranke8326 3 года назад

    Love the ADA rack! Really great!

  • @stevemartin9035
    @stevemartin9035 Год назад

    Just came across this video as a random in my feed. Great sounds. Still use my MP-1. Modded my two tube board as a cathode follower like a Marshall 2204 or Soldano. ADADepot is a great source of info. Also have a Microtube 100 amp, and Microcab speaker emulator.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  Год назад

      That's a cool mod - I'll have to hit up marshallJMP again and pick their brain some more!

  • @litos_mendes
    @litos_mendes 3 года назад +1

    Nuno. The Portuguese pride 🇵🇹
    Always question myself that rabea,as a massive Nuno fan, never checked one of these out on his channel ....

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      I agree, this needs to happen

  • @t.j.fuller9531
    @t.j.fuller9531 3 года назад +1

    Lol I had 4 ADAs / sold 2 / you can never have enough of them !!!! Great video

  • @n00n3r
    @n00n3r Год назад

    love my original mp1. i play Michael Wagners profile on a kemper mostly now. Seeing this vid makes me want to hook the mp1 up though.

  • @BobGuido
    @BobGuido Год назад

    Mutha (Don't Wanna Go To School Today)
    ...best Extreme song of all Extreme songs and on their first album produced and recorded by Bob St. John with zero budget. Nuno became Kid Ego for a while. Who wouldn't if compared to Yngwie and Eddie, which he was, every time a journalist wrote about him.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  Год назад

      "Cocaine's a hell of a drug"

  • @ianfurqueron5850
    @ianfurqueron5850 3 года назад +1

    Patiently waiting for a MP-2 video - you're such a tease having it there in the rack for us to see. ;-)

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Still needs some servicing, tried a few things so far but no dice. I did do a preliminary vid though.

  • @michaelpeacestewart
    @michaelpeacestewart Год назад +1

    the orginal without the mod sounds best to me

  • @harry-callahan-aka-dirty-harry
    @harry-callahan-aka-dirty-harry 3 года назад

    Great video! Thks

  • @clawfoot8400
    @clawfoot8400 3 года назад

    Man I’d love one of these; super cool vid!

  • @alanjacob8542
    @alanjacob8542 5 месяцев назад

    I have an mp1 with the most recent version but it needs a good cleaning and a retube...ordered electronic cleaner and got new jj's for it.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  5 месяцев назад

      Nearly all of them would be overdue for a re-cap, makes a big difference!

  • @wolfsdenmusic9404
    @wolfsdenmusic9404 3 года назад +4

    Instant click bait = Leon + ADA MP-1 😃

  • @immanuelsanate8615
    @immanuelsanate8615 Год назад

    I didn’t think I’ll ever be in a position to ever lay my hands on all these gears be it accessibility or financially, so I got hold of an old Randall RG 75 3G with the hope of getting close to the ballpark of Nuno tone. I got it so because of Randall rolling out with those NB series for a short period of time…..now is there anyone out there who could possibly help me out with the tone chase. I play a very basic BC Rich with a HH configuration with a licensed Floyd Rose. I think the tone @ 1:35 is just incredible, and fantastic playing too. Thanks for the video and sharing the information!!!

  • @Flornmonk
    @Flornmonk Год назад

    I think the unmodded ones sound the best!

  • @anggaBlecemot
    @anggaBlecemot 2 года назад

    Coz ofvur video .. I use my friend ADA mp-1 to make and metal album .. Yes and its badd ass pre from the past

  • @TheCjbowman
    @TheCjbowman 3 года назад +1

    😜like most everyone else on here, if I see "Nuno", I'm clicking in for a visit! Great vid, Leon! 🤘😎🤘

  • @drockny
    @drockny 3 года назад +1

    Awesome He-man Woman Hater! Leon when are you going to bust out that solo for us haha!

  • @CatDieselPwr
    @CatDieselPwr 3 года назад

    You might like the Digitech GSP 2101 with a tube power amp. There's a few good demo's on here by Glen Hyden and others.

  • @denniseberhart1603
    @denniseberhart1603 24 дня назад

    I have an ADA MP1 and matching pedal ADA AMP for sale

  • @chrisnaishguitar
    @chrisnaishguitar 3 года назад

    Leon at 00:56 - "...and I'm plugged into that stock bottom one at the moment...". Me: "STOCK BOTTOM...STOCK BOTTOM...STOCK BOTTOM!!! "

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      C - B - A - D - E

  • @pwnEdge1
    @pwnEdge1 3 года назад

    Instant 80’s 🎸😎

  • @BrianClem
    @BrianClem 8 месяцев назад

    I have the three tube mod as well. I will need to find the video you talk about it.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  8 месяцев назад

      Here it is ruclips.net/video/Voq8o8HYl2w/видео.html

  • @hwmbo727
    @hwmbo727 3 года назад

    Love my 3TM ADA MP1!

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      Such a great preamp!

  • @powerfunk6588
    @powerfunk6588 2 года назад

    I know the Marshall jmp1 isn't a true tube distortion, but I think the ADA is. Is that right? I have both preamp, but I much prefer the ADA. Thanks.

  • @Guttalaser
    @Guttalaser Год назад

    With a good pair of Monolith M1060 on my old and ruined ears: the 220V (for me the best of the three... and the one i have) has a more "healty" and "opened" and balanced sound than the 110V that sounds a bit "muffled". The 3TM to me totally alter the character of the ADA MP1 adding some artificial sizzle on the top highs (something like the old Behringer "tube" rack fxs)... in some point it loose the bass and the punch and in other it seems heavily scooped but not in the good way we all mean "scooped" (ya know: the "smile eq"). So... i'm happy with my stock ADA-MP1 220V!

  • @ryanjared
    @ryanjared 3 года назад

    Sounds fantastic! What are your thoughts on master gain settings? I gravitate toward the Michael Wagner setting, but he runs the master gain at 7.5 which makes it hard to balance with a clean sound. Also, do you prefer to run a hot output from the MP1 into the power amp or keep thre volume knob on the MP1 lower and run the power amp hotter?

  • @johnclark1925
    @johnclark1925 2 года назад

    It’s all your fault… all these ADA MP1 videos and I had to buy one this week to chase my nostalgic 1980’s dreams… I hope it’s as good as remember. Sounds good on your videos. 😎🤘

  • @Yupppi
    @Yupppi 3 года назад +1

    I was thinking "I swear the 110 V sounds the best, but I'm probably just imagining" until you said the same thing. The 3 tube mod is much more clinical, but when you really turn up the gain, it has its benefits. Do Nuno settings require a RAT?

    • @dwarkanathpramanik8545
      @dwarkanathpramanik8545 2 года назад +1

      In recent years Nuno has used the RAT pedal with various Marshall heads live. And if I'm not mistaken he used it back in the 80's before the MP-1. But never with the MP-1 live or in the studio as far as I know.

  • @AudaciousAce1989
    @AudaciousAce1989 2 года назад

    My favorite player Marc Diglio used one of those for his first album

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  2 года назад +1

      Diglio is a BEAST, cool to see someone else who appreciates him

    • @AudaciousAce1989
      @AudaciousAce1989 2 года назад

      @@LeonTodd Indeed, the reason why I picked up the guitar. And bought an old 86 model 2 charvel -almost just like his. Now I just need your amp LOL

  • @deandee8082
    @deandee8082 2 года назад

    also, curious, since you have 3 and it has a stereo out have you tried multiplexing? into the first one, then out the two stereo outs one each, then stereo pan into 4 seperate amps, should be able to time the effect to get some ncie canyon wall effects, specially if you mic back..
    picked up a pitchtraq the other day, motor is out of balance or a wheel or two but it works.. crazy old school stuff is WICKED and sounds way better then those new dry skinny units they want $10k for, fugg that, loop up a bunch of old school units and its only like konkey dong!

    • @deandee8082
      @deandee8082 2 года назад

      that 3 toob is thick as a brick, WOW

  • @brpadington
    @brpadington 3 года назад

    I have some Kemper profiles of the MP-1. Great tones. I find the Nuno one to be really flexible.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Are they the big Hairy Guitars profiles?

    • @brpadington
      @brpadington 3 года назад

      @@LeonTodd You got it! The Michael Wagener ones are killer too.

  • @justincase9173
    @justincase9173 3 года назад

    Love the vintage gear brother. I'd love to be the guy at your estate sale with a pocket full of cash 😂

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      hahaha oh man that'll be some sale

  • @biggun1450
    @biggun1450 Год назад

    how would you like to trade that firebird in the back round for a mint JTM45?

  • @adrianbenc.8216
    @adrianbenc.8216 Год назад

    Quiero uno!

  • @mrnobodyinvr9762
    @mrnobodyinvr9762 Год назад

    Can you recreate that Nuno setting on the MP-2?

  • @men_fukuoka
    @men_fukuoka 3 года назад

    NICE SOUND!

  • @bobjoe7508
    @bobjoe7508 2 года назад +1

    Maybe I'm in the minority, but I actually prefer the tone from the original MP-1 than the 3 tube mod. The 3tm just has too much saturation for my taste. They all sound great though!

  • @janbuyck1
    @janbuyck1 3 года назад +1

    I still own one ( on the attic ) Should revive it some time…

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      YES!!!!

    • @diversifiedent
      @diversifiedent 3 года назад

      Or sell it on EBay. They’re worth a bundle right now. I listed mine and it had 900 views in no time

  • @clemsontiger001
    @clemsontiger001 2 года назад

    Dang I should've gotten the 3TM mod back in the day.

  • @prsdave22
    @prsdave22 3 года назад

    Nuno is a force of nature that no mere mortal could hope to replicate

  • @allendean9807
    @allendean9807 Год назад

    Is there a difference between the hardware version and the nembrini audio sim?

  • @keithfields1178
    @keithfields1178 4 месяца назад

    I still have my MP1, midi foot peddle, and a ADA power amp, stereo. Loveless. But now the question. Where can I find good tech support for the line. It went out of buisness, I think. Anyone know?

  • @deandee8082
    @deandee8082 2 года назад

    my voice is at 5.5. then if I hit up it goes to tube then no sound at all, have to reboot and clear settings?

  • @peterknicked
    @peterknicked 3 года назад

    I have backed down the volume pot to around 11 o'clock and the mastergain to around 6.5-7.5. Makes the tone alot better. More string separation. More Noice sure but I have a nociegate

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Interesting!

    • @peterknicked
      @peterknicked 3 года назад

      I also use the 4-5 on the OD1 7-7.5 on OD2. More mids than you. Around 4 and more precense than the Nunopatch

  • @tanshaomala
    @tanshaomala 2 года назад

    Hi Leon, I also noticed that the 110v mp-1 sounds slightly better than the 230v. Would you say this is just due to component tolerances from unit to unit or does voltage somehow affect tone? Thanks.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  2 года назад +1

      I suspect the 230v needs a recap which might be some of the reason!

  • @muleblues71
    @muleblues71 2 года назад

    ADA or JMP-1?

  • @christopherdelahoz9017
    @christopherdelahoz9017 3 года назад

    Is each preamp for sale yet?

  • @AnimeAsLeaders998
    @AnimeAsLeaders998 3 года назад

    just wondering, your Peavey Wolfgang seems to have extra tuners on the headstock? (so there are 8 in total) - am I seeing this right?

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад

      Probably the googly eyes I stuck to the headstock

  • @tierangreen
    @tierangreen Год назад

    How does yours sound SOOOOO clean? Mine is crazy noisy.

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  Год назад

      Might be worth doing a recap, that's often the source of MP-1's getting noisy

  • @teaserrocks1768
    @teaserrocks1768 3 года назад

    3 MP1's, 3 Times the Fun!

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Does that make it an MP3?!

    • @teaserrocks1768
      @teaserrocks1768 3 года назад

      @@LeonTodd LOL! I had mine I bought new in 1991, with split stack, tube and SS power amps (got the tube amp later, since I liked it better, but then I bought a 3rd Power stereo power amp, and that brought it all to fire-breathing life!) Sold it all 2 years ago, since I became a Fractal Audio addict instead! Still have my Alesis Quadraverb that was part of that rig, though!

  • @Phantasm70
    @Phantasm70 Год назад

    Can I buy the 3TM

  • @jafethuerta
    @jafethuerta 3 года назад

    Is it me or does the 3TM sound close to the Morin Preamp ??

  • @wakjob961
    @wakjob961 3 года назад

    Just a few years ago there was a MINT MP-1 with the foot control... for a $150 in a local shop... and I passed it up like an idiot ;-(

  • @gtcheetah3361
    @gtcheetah3361 3 года назад

    Did you replace your eclpise with an H3.5k ?

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      The Eclipse is still here, it's on my desk rack as I'm working on soemthing with it

  • @TavaresProject
    @TavaresProject 3 года назад

    I liked the nuno settings.... Not as shrilly .. cool comparison!!!

  • @NudnikShpilkus
    @NudnikShpilkus 3 года назад

    7:03 - the EVH guitar has more of a phat mid thing, vs. Greenie's slightly brighter bite....

    • @NudnikShpilkus
      @NudnikShpilkus 3 года назад

      What DiMarzios are in Greenie? I have a Tele copy that needs a brighter, biteier tone than the mudbuckers from my junk drawer provide....

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  3 года назад +1

      Tone zone and Air Norton!

    • @NudnikShpilkus
      @NudnikShpilkus 3 года назад

      Have never encountered those IRL. Was thinking about stuffing the recent PAF style DiMarzios in late last year, but decided to hold off....

  • @JONNIE_ROCKER
    @JONNIE_ROCKER 3 года назад

    230v 👍👍

  • @nicklebac6753
    @nicklebac6753 3 года назад

    Vito tones tho

  • @sheatanner9935
    @sheatanner9935 3 года назад

    Probably an unpopular opinion, but that 3tube mod sounds way too fizzy for my tastes. I like the stock sounds more. They just seemed more... three-dimensional.

  • @KzZk-ye9gp
    @KzZk-ye9gp 10 месяцев назад

    Disgorge used this and that’s all that matters

  • @helio1055
    @helio1055 10 месяцев назад

    You had one since you were 15?… shit lucky

    • @LeonTodd
      @LeonTodd  10 месяцев назад +1

      You could find them for 150 bucks at the time, no one wanted them

    • @helio1055
      @helio1055 10 месяцев назад

      @@LeonTodd Word I can totally see that, hopefully I can finally get one of my own after all the OT I’ll be working this Christmas!

  • @homersimpson2159
    @homersimpson2159 Год назад

    Went from buzzing chainsaw to tin chainsaw. Always hated those noisy pieces of junk, sounds like a bee hive