More extensive symbolism pointing to Jesus was included in the earthly temple that was given to Moses. We must always remember that it was given for our sake, so that we could better understand Jesus and His mission. The Sabbath was established to commemorate the creation and exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commandments are part of the earthly temple about which Jesus said that not one stone will be left upon another. It is Jesus who does all the work and invites us to rest in Him.
On the one hand, there is the Ten Commandments and our work to achieve perfection. On the other hand, there is Jesus and His work to make us grow in Him.
If someone does something by breaking the law and there is an appropriate provision for it, e.g. 2 years in prison. The fulfillment of this law is to put such a person in prison for two years. The law has been fulfilled. Sometimes people escape, are not caught or the crime is not solved because it is human and must not be perfect by nature. But when it comes to me, for example, I have broken God's law and for that there is a death penalty, eternal death of course. Therefore, the fulfillment of God's law is my death. There is a law, there is a criminal, there is punishment. Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. The fulfillment of the law is death. Fulfillment and observance are two different things.
God's law is the law of love. Sin is a sickness of heart that without remedy results in behaviors, what we call sins, that add damage to us characteriologically as well as spiritually. When we think of sin as crimes punishable by death-everything becomes very pharisaical and behavior-oriented. However, when we take a look back and realize it is the malady of fear and selfishness humanity is enslaved by and Christ partook of humanity to purge it out of humanity to renew it in love and righteousness-our understanding of how God's law operates changes as well as what Christ came to accomplish in the first place. Unless we come back to Creator worship which is exactly what the first angel's message has called us to do-we will never be effective in presenting the second and third. We must rid ourselves of the idea that God's law is a Babylonian legal code, as if it's the Code of Hammurabi, that violations of said law requires the infliction or payment of a penalty by God's Son to essentially “let Him off” from punishing us. If we present this view, we are grossly misrepresenting the character of God. We must worship the Creator whose laws are the design parameters for life and health and deviations from those laws sear the conscience, warp the character, and harden the heart. Quintessentially degenerating us less and less in what God created human beings to be which was to show forth His image-His character-in how they live and conduct themselves.
That's a false diagnosis of the problem. It is the sin condition-not the acts that lead to death-that are the problem. Evangelical Protestantism's diagnosis of the problem is based off the Roman legal system-you committed the crime and now you're on the hook to pay the debt you owe. When Psalms 51:5 says we're born in sin and conceived in iniquity-a condition of fear-driven selfishness that leads to the acts that to death. We need a remedy-a cure-a transformation of the heart by the Spirit-cutting away the dross of selfishness and putting in a new righteous heart within the believer. Sin is not a legal matter that needs to be paid for by some legal payment that declares us legally righteous even though we are not. We are human beings drowning in the pit of our sin-we need an actual transformation of being where we actually love God and others more than self.
Looking at the Ten Commandments, do we say "this is how we will obey" or rather "we are unable to"? If we choose 1, we will be deceiving ourselves. If 2, we turn our eyes away from the Ten Commandments and look for help from Jesus.
There is a danger that when we show people the Ten Commandments in the wrong way, people will not accept Jesus. What does it mean to show inappropriately? If you follow the Ten Commandments, you will get to heaven. People who understand the Decalogue in this way get very tired because we pretend that we, from the perspective of fallen people, can obey the Decalogue. To put it another way, the Ten Commandments are out there somewhere and they show us the LAW. People got this LAW and we know it and the elder teachers knew it in the scriptures. And we will all sin again. Some knew that they were sinning and others pretended that when they learned this LAW, from then on they did as the Decalogue commands. We know that we all break the law. The Decalogue is just a tool in God's hands to show us what situation we are in. We can also say that God's love and forgiveness have always existed, but of course we know this, for example from the story of King David. In Jesus, God manifested his love to everyone. He made us realize that not only David sinned, but all of us. WE ALL DO LAWFULNESS EVEN WE KNOW THE LAW. There is one more problem that if we break the LAW we are guilty of everything contained in the law, even in such a situation the Sabbath does not count.
On the seventh day, God rested from His works (to rest, to cease from doing, to observe, to cease from activity). The first humans did not participate in the work that God did in creation. Day one of creation, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six, God creates the first people. In 5 days, God creates everything that is needed for people, and on the 6th day, He creates man, where everything is ready for them. The entire creation of the world by God has been completed. Rest or abstention from work was a concern of God, not of man, while the first people had no reason to rest or refrain from work. You can't rest if you haven't worked.
What should people do with something that God says is holy. Like Gods throne is holy. It’s his, not ours. Should create throne holy though it is not ours. Whatever God says is holy, how should that thing be treated?
We sinners through Jesus need to uphold the law in its original state including the highly educated as well as the panhandler on the street corner. PTL for all the truth revealed.
On the seventh day, God rested from His works (to rest, to cease, to observe, to cease from activity). The first humans did not participate in the work that God did in creation. Day one of creation, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six, God creates the first people. In 5 days, God creates everything that is needed for people, and on the 6th day, He creates man, where everything is ready for them. The entire creation of the world by God has been completed. Rest or abstention from work concerned God, not man, but the first people had no reason to rest or refrain from work. You can't rest if you haven't worked.
He was not advocating that he didn't need God's law to rightly discern right from wrong but that God is actually withholding blessings from him and the rest of the angelic host. And with this disgruntlement, he began to advocate that God “was not just in imposing laws to all created beings.” Ellen White eloquently points out the following in Patriarchs and Prophets: “God could employ only such means as were consistent with truth and righteousness. Satan could use what God could not-flattery and deceit. He had sought to falsify the word of God and had misrepresented His plan of government, claiming that God was not just in imposing laws upon the angels; that in requiring submission and obedience from His creatures, He was seeking merely the exaltation of Himself. It was therefore necessary to demonstrate before the inhabitants of heaven, and of all the worlds, that God's government is just, His law perfect. Satan had made it appear that he himself was seeking to promote the good of the universe. The true character of the usurper and his real object must be understood by all. He must have time to manifest himself by his wicked works.” PP 42.1 He is manifesting a double entendre. He is suggesting two lies in that statement. Firstly, that God is not just. Secondly, that He is imposing laws. Many, in Protestantism, have sadly still held onto this lie and continue to stipulate that Jesus must die to pay a penalty to maintain the integrity of the law. What they fail to realize that God already abundantly pardons us for our condition; He does not hold us accountable for the hereditary of our condition. Yet, He does hold us accountable if we haven't taken hold of Christ by faith, making Him the apple of our eye, and thus becoming reconciled unto to our heavenly Father for our cleansing and restoration unto righteousness Ellen also points out the following in Patriarchs and Prophets, pg. 685, par. 2: “While God has desired to teach men that from His own love comes the Gift which reconciles them to Himself, the archenemy of mankind has endeavored to represent God as one who delights in their destruction. Thus the sacrifices and the ordinances designed of Heaven to reveal divine love have been perverted to serve as means whereby sinners have vainly hoped to propitiate, with gifts and good works, the wrath of an offended God. At the same time, Satan has sought to arouse and strengthen the evil passions of men in order that through repeated transgression multitudes might be led on and on, far from God, and hopelessly bound with the fetters of sin.” PK 685.2 Many still hold to the idea that Jesus' death, that through His blood, is the means unto which we receive legal pardon for our sins from God. We must maintain the fact that Hebrews 9:22 says astutely that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. God is always propitious towards us. As Paul says in the first or second epistle to the Corinthian church: “God was in the Son reconciling the world to Himself.” And in the book of Romans, chap. 8, v. 31-32 says, “31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?” The problem is our carnal nature-the survival-of-the-fittest principle that drives us into self-interest, insecurity, and fear for oneself. When Adam and Eve sinned, God, His attitude, nor His law changed. However, they're now in transgression and are in a terminal condition of continual degradation spiritually and physically, and now Christ coming in through the human family with in or around four thousand years of degradation that there was absolutely no reason for Adam and Eve to believed God was withholding truth, love, or anything from them for the betterment of their well-being. He revealed that in even weaker humanity that He could rightly establish obedience to God's law and rectify the sin problem by overcoming the carnal nature and becoming the Second Adam.
Are you saying that we don’t receive “legal pardon” Through the death of Jesus?? Please elaborate on what His death was for? Was he atoning for our sins? Was the wrath of God satisfied at the cross?
@@bpitch1071 How do you understand the wrath of God? What law lens are you looking through? If God's law are simply rules that are enforced by threat of punishment than God's wrath is not against sin itself but personally against the sinner. But if God is Creator and His laws sustain the universe, after Adam and Eve sinned, God "passed over" (Passover) the sins previously committed in His forbearance. Paul outlines this clearly in Romans chap. 3, v. 25-26, “25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.” Thus, by Christ taking up our humanity, (Galatians 4:4 & Romans 8:1; born under the law of sin and death) in order that we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Corinthians 5:21) God's wrath is not inflicting punishment but to cease from using power to shield one from the natural consequences of their choices. (Romans 1:24, 26, 28) Thus, in Romans 4:25, God in His wrath against sin, ceased from using power to shield His Son to make the ultimate choice of overcoming the pull of temptations of the carnal nature in order to destroy Satan and his work, death, and bring life and immortality to light. (Hebrews 2:14, 1 Timothy 1:10, and 1 John 3:8.) Thus, He becomes the New & Second Adam. (1 Cor. 15:48-49)
@@caleschnell law lens? What exactly do you mean by this? Gods law enforced by punishment suggests that it’s against the sinner and not the sin? The wages or payment or recompense for sin is death, correct? Death of what? Of who? Does the scripture not say that Christ was made sin? Did He not suffer the full penalty for the sins of the world? Think of it this way: Christ on the cross paying for the sins of a lost world, sins past, present, and future. Who is the only being in that scenario who could mete out the appropriate amount of punishment for all of those sins? Who could have a full knowledge of all of the sins to be committed into the future, and make sure the atonement was complete, so as to cover them? I’ll be back with a quote from the prophet, and would like to get your thoughts on it
@@caleschnell The power that inflicted retributive justice upon man's substitute and surety, was the power that sustained and upheld the suffering One under the tremendous weight of wrath that would have fallen upon a sinful world. Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God's law. It is a fearful thing for the unrepenting sinner to fall into the hands of the living God. This is proved by the history of the destruction of the old world by a flood, by the record of the fire which fell from heaven and destroyed the inhabitants of Sodom. But never was this proved to so great an extent as in the agony of Christ, . . . when He bore the wrath of God for a sinful world. . . . {TMK 64.3} Man has not been made a sin-bearer, and he will never know the horror of the curse of sin which the Saviour bore. No sorrow can bear any comparison with the sorrow of Him upon whom the wrath of God fell with overwhelming force. Human nature can endure but a limited amount of test and trial. The finite can only endure the finite measure, and human nature succumbs; but the nature of Christ had a greater capacity for suffering; for the human existed in the divine nature, and created a capacity for suffering to endure that which resulted from the sins of a lost world. The agony which Christ endured, broadens, deepens, and gives a more extended conception of the character of sin, and the character of the retribution which God will bring upon those who continue in sin. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. {TMK 64.4} Please explain the statements above through your “law lens” Jesus never used His divine power to benefit himself, but what could be used was His divine capacity to suffer, and all sin was His to bear. What love is this?!! Again, who could mete out perfect justice for all of the sin to ever be committed? And for all of the sins future, how could what Jesus experienced be “the natural consequence of choices” when they hadn’t been committed yet?? Most important: please explain your interpretation of the statements from Ellen White above Thanks
@@bpitch1071 Again, you're seeing this through the human law lens. In the human law lens, sins are crimes, crimes require punishment, and the punishment is death. In the design law lens, we have a condition, a carnal nature, that without Christ giving His life and our Heavenly Father and Holy Spirit letting go as They are the source of life, Christ cannot complete the mission of eradicating the death-causing principle that underlines the carnal nature. You sadly still see under the purview of our Heavenly Father pouring out His wrath as if He is inflicting punishment. This is exactly Satan's argument and Ellen White in the Desire of Ages completely refutes that our heavenly Father requires a blood payment be made to forgive us of sin as well as Isaiah chap. 55 which says, “... He will freely pardon.” “In the opening of the great controversy, Satan had declared that the law of God could not be obeyed, that justice was inconsistent with mercy, and that, should the law be broken, it would be impossible for the sinner to be pardoned. Every sin must meet its punishment, urged Satan; and if God should remit the punishment of sin, He would not be a God of truth and justice. When men broke the law of God, and defied His will, Satan exulted. It was proved, he declared, that the law could not be obeyed; man could not be forgiven. Because he, after his rebellion, had been banished from heaven, Satan claimed that the human race must be forever shut out from God's favor. God could not be just, he urged, and yet show mercy to the sinner.” DA 761.4 You are divorcing justice-from mercy, God's steadfast love, as though His justice, His righteousnes, is not merely the inner-working of His love to fix what is damaged in sinners. You pervert the justice of God when you make it look as though His justice is that of the sinful governments of this world. Christ Himself said, “My kingdom is not of this world” when you falsely conclude sin must be punished and if it is not-God is not just. If you actually look at what true biblical justice is-it is helping the needy-the widow and the orphan. It is not punishing the oppressor but healing the oppressed. Btw, Ellen White concludes further that, “We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy. It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan. The disobedient and unthankful have great reason for gratitude for God's mercy and long-suffering in holding in check the cruel, malignant power of the evil one. But when men pass the limits of divine forbearance, that restraint is removed. God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but he leaves the rejecters of his mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown. Every ray of light rejected, every warning despised or unheeded, every passion indulged, every transgression of the law of God, is a seed sown, which yields its unfailing harvest. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan.” GC88 36.2 God's laws are design laws. Any time we indulge sin, we crucify again the Son afresh, and we injure the intercessions of Christ that the Holy Spirit employs on our hearts and minds. Thus, transgression is not an arbitrary act in which God employs a punishment upon the rejectors of His mercy. He leaves them to themselves and they reap the sure result of their transgression and die as a consequence of not heeding to His moral laws which are natural constants He has interwoven in reality itself. (Exactly what Paul is speaking of as he explains what God's wrath in Romans chap. 1) You are sadly still on milk; what Paul calls those who are still babes not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. You are not able to rightly divide the word of truth even enough to realize that God's wrath is not judicial or punitive but remedial and salvific in order that Christ in bearing up our iniquity, the carnal human nature, that through the greatest act of love ever shone is able to overcome the onslaughts of the enemy, Satan, working through that crowd telling Him to come down that cross to save Himself and not remedy the carnal nature and instill the law of love which is the law of life as the operative principle into the humanity He had fully taken up. Thus, He destroyed Satan's accusations about God's law by living it out fully by giving Himself that through Him we can be redeemed from the law of sin and death and thus live by the law of love that life is built to operate on.
My death. My SELF must die. My SELF must stop WORKING. If my SELF has died, it means that my SELF IS RESTING. If my SELF IS RESTING, it means that JESUS IS WORKING.(plus 2 coments below)
For example, taking the Sabbath itself from the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath is very important because it is in the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commandments are God's law. (Whoever wants to, can treat every day the same or observe the Sabbath, I have no problem with that, it's a matter between him and God) There is a danger that if I take something from the Decalogue with the intention of "I will follow it", I will approach the entire Decalogue in the same way. And yet the Decalogue should always turn our eyes to Jesus. People, however, prefer to look at the Ten Commandments all the time. What does the Ten Commandments mean for fallen humanity?
To your first point, it clearly states that not all days can be treated the same, because one of the 7 is a Holy Day. To answer your question, nobody breaks down the relationship between the Law and Justification by Faith better than Pastor Myers. The law shows us what we need to repent for, because it tells us what sin is. Then, after we truly repent, through faith, we access mercy and are clothed with Christ's righteousness for there is none righteous among men and no other name by which we MUST be saved. And what do we do as evidence of our repentance? Keep the law. See the cycle/relationship? The plan of saving fallen man is brilliant on just about every level that my puny mind can understand
I don't know all the preparations the Jews made before the Sabbath. Washing, preparing meals... All the rituals preceding the Sabbath were intended to cleanse man so that he would enter the Sabbath day clean, and yet Jesus says to the same people, you must be born again. If you start to look closer, Jesus didn't change anything in the law because rest still applies, but this time it applies only in Jesus.
The problem is that we have something like this in our heads. The Decalogue comes from God, so I must follow it. It is true that the Decalogue comes from God. The problem, however, is that we are not capable of following the Ten Commandments due to our fallen nature. We must come to Jesus. To come to Jesus we must realize our hopelessness and WORK for perfection. The Decalogue has proven to us that we are unable to obey God's law. I have broken the law. THE LAW demands my death. Jesus died for me and for us. You must admit that there has been some change.
No one can keep the law perfectly. That is clearly understood. How does this equal the law is done away with and no longer relevant? The law of Christ you speak of. You have no problem that one? Can you keep that law perfectly?
30since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
51:28 God did better than come Himself in sending the One He loved more than Himself. Just ask any earthly father what would they do if they were presented the choice.
After the fall of the first people, God searches, finds, investigates, listens, evaluates, judges, helps, punishes, and arranges animal sacrifices for them, pointing to the Son of God Jesus as the true sacrifice for sin. Adam began to work hard on the land and yet God did not give them the Sabbath but animal sacrifices. In the symbolism of animal sacrifices, JESUS is shown to people. Adam began to work and the FRUITS of his labor were thorns and thistles. God announced that the Messiah would come and rebuild everything and the fruits of HIS WORK are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
Because we have in our minds (at least I did) that Jesus fulfilled the law, that is, he obeyed the law. And it's getting messy here. The law was given for transgressions' sake, for our sakes. The law was not given to Jesus and because of the nature of Jesus, he was not fallen. His spirit did not fall. The whole, if I may say so, "symbolic temple for salvation", i.e. the temple, i.e. the earthly building and everything that was connected with it, the Decalogue, and the Sabbath in the Decalogue, all this is one symbolic system. Jesus fulfilled the law as it was written. He fulfilled the requirement of the law for us, which is death. The law demanded our death.Because we have in our minds (at least I did) that Jesus fulfilled the law, that is, he obeyed the law. And it's getting messy here. The law was given for transgressions' sake, for our sakes. The law was not given to Jesus and because of the nature of Jesus, he was not fallen. His spirit did not fall. The whole, if I may say so, "symbolic temple for salvation", i.e. the temple, i.e. the earthly building and everything that was connected with it, the Decalogue, and the Sabbath in the Decalogue, all this is one symbolic system. Jesus fulfilled the law as it was written. He fulfilled the requirement of the law for us, which is death. The law demanded our death.
This is the "law of Jesus at work" in you. The Decalogue has no power. The Decacode does not work within us. Old covenant and New covenant. It is in Jesus that it is possible to approach perfection. There is no such possibility in the Decalogue.
One method is a law written in stone: you shall not do this or that. This method was only intended to show us that we are sinful. The second method is the living Jesus and He, filled with perfect love, showed us what we were missing. The first law had no force because it was just a letter on a stone. The living Jesus has power. The Mosaic Law is intended to show what we are like, and I still have to show us our powerlessness to fulfill this law. If we realize this, we must turn to Jesus. And when we become smaller and smaller and Jesus grows, His power in us will allow us to be like Him, that is, loving God and people.
@@davidkordas3339 The law on stone, which is the law of God, not the law of Moses, must be written on the heart. See Hebrews 8:8-10. The new covenant shows we no longer have hearts of stone that don't want to keep the law. We delight to do his will now, where before it was burdensome. But still, the law of Jesus, what exactly is that. And how many commandments are included in this law? How many commandments did Jesus give?
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away: 8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? 9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away. 17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
This reminds me of the story of the harlot who was caught in an open sin and the sin is death and when it comes to the law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, this woman deserved to die because of the law that demands fulfillment. Jesus forgave this woman and from that moment on she followed Jesus. This woman did not have to go back to the Ten Commandments to know that she had sinned. However, those who wanted to stone Her also had something on their conscience and they also knew the Law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, but unlike this woman, They did not come to Jesus to ask Him for forgiveness. They preferred to stick to the old covenant and convince themselves and perhaps others that it was only this woman that was the problem. The Decalogue only shows the problem but does not solve it. You may ask why God gave the Ten Commandments which does not solve the problem? The Decalogue is intended to show what sin is and our helplessness in the fight against our fallen nature. Only in Jesus is change possible and nowhere else. The man who relies on the law will lose. Jesus introduces not only forgiveness but also a certain principle related to it, namely that you have to forgive others yourself. Many others Jesus introduced laws and principles and will emphasize this by saying, "He said, 'If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.'" 8. Jesus Christ also taught: "[Love ] the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. Jesus does not demand our death for breaking the law, but he expects mercy from us. This woman was to be sacrificed for breaking the law, because the sin is death. Jesus does not want sacrifice but mercy. He offered Himself on the cross as a sacrifice for us. There is a difference between the law of Moses and Jesus. If we put ourselves in the position of looking at the Ten Commandments in order to follow them, from our fallen perspective it is impossible, but the scribes did not understand it this way. Can we still pretend before God that we know how to follow the Ten Commandments and that the principles of the Mosaic law are the right way?!
Again, in that same story, when Jesus forgave the woman for adultery, was also saying that she no longer needed to keep the law that said do not commit adultery? Did Jesus abolish that law, or does it still stand. What did he mean when he said to her, go and "sin" (transgress the law I Jon 3:4) NO MORE? And why would not want to distinguish between the law of Moses and the Ten Commandments? Moses didn't write the Ten Commandments. God did. To demonstrate how futile of an argument this is. Moses wrote this Law: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Deut. 6:5 And this one: “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord." Le.19:18. Are these laws of Moses or of Jesus? Back to woman caught in adultery, was she free to now ignore that law? An answer would be appreciated! :) Keeping the law against adultery from that point on would not be the reason she was saved or forgiven. Jesus did that. Accepting Christ wipes away sin, not the law that describes sin. Why are you trying to get rid of that which describes sin? You do realize that this is being the devil's advocate who is called the "lawless one."
Jesus will forgive us whenever we turn to Him. Go and sin no more does not mean that I (Jesus) will never forgive you again. If Jesus forgives us and we sin again, it is more difficult for us to come to Him for forgiveness again, and every time we return to sin, there is a danger that we will not return to Jesus. When Jesus says to the woman, go and sin no more, he is actually saying to her, stay with me.
I think your putting words in my mouth. Jesus is always willing to forgive. My question was, did Jesus in forgiving the woman of adultery abolish the law that prohibits adultery? Does that law no longer apply to her exist since Jesus forgives? Does repentance from adultery mean adultery is no longer condemned?
Can the law on the stone forgive you your sins? The law in stone is just a tool in God's hands to show us what condition we are in. At that time, when the Israelites received the Ten Commandments, they still had a fallen nature. The law written in stone had no power to change the human heart.
The law was given because of the transgression of fallen people, that is, all of us. The temple on earth, the slaughter of animals on the altar, the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, i.e. rest on the seventh day, and many others were given because of us, fallen people. Jesus did not follow the same rules as us, because He did not sin and did not have to participate in this practice for His sins. . He could have sinned, it was possible, but we know that He Himself did not sin, so He did not take part in it. Jesus announced the destruction of the earthly temple and the rebuilding of it anew, and here he already spoke about himself about the temple of his body. He announced that the old system would be removed and replaced with a new one. Jesus fulfilled the law that demanded our death. When Jesus rose from the dead, he rebuilt the temples, established the law because he himself died for our sins and the requirements of the law towards us were placed on Jesus, so the law was established, which means that if there was no law, Jesus would not have had to die. The old temple was destroyed, animal sacrifices stopped, the law was nailed to the cross, payment for the curse of the law made in Jesus. Jesus rebuilds the temples, the new commandment gives us rest only in Jesus.
Why are there so many advertisements on your videos? Powerful message but really hard to listen through the worldly advertisements. Just some food for thought.
I'm pretty sure that he has no control over what you tube does. But you do you can subscribe to the no ads on your RUclips account. Also when he has the live service there are no advertising hiccups just the message praise God and Bless you always
This world is filled with lawlessness and sin and we just have to be thankful that this message is being able to be put out there for people to. Know the truth just ignore those advertisements and when they come up just pray and be thankful that you're knowing the truth. And to resist the devil so submitting to the Lord resists the devil and he will flee so you just put your mind on Jesus and he will help. You through it.
Forgiving and accepting forgiveness. Forgiveness where Love is the basis is true forgiveness. This woman, accepting forgiveness as an expression of true love, received grace from Jesus, but also His love came to live in her. The law of love. She wasn't lawless now. Of course, this law of the Decalogue exists, but it has no force. The law of love and forgiveness does. It can be said ironically that when she was under the law, i.e. the Decalogue, she committed lawlessness. The law of Jesus and His principles prevail over the law written in stone. This woman, accepting forgiveness from Jesus and then witnessing the events until the end, understood that Jesus was beaten instead of her. And this awareness of great love was engraved in her heart. If we do not accept the laws of Jesus, the law on the stone will not help. It wasn't that when Jesus forgave this woman, he only made a small correction regarding "no adultery." Jesus showed this woman His love for her, and when He died on the cross, she saw the HUGEITY of HIS LOVE even more.
This beautiful. Wow. But it doesn’t answer the question. Is thou shall not commit adultery a law that God expects his people to honor? Are you married? Would your wife expect you to honor this commandment? Also, what is the law of Jesus? What are his commandments? You haven’t answered that yet either.
Law Cannot Save from Sin 13Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 21I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25I thank God-through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Paul is not only talking about himself here, but he is talking about all of us. In the situation we all find ourselves in. We all have a fallen nature, a sinful nature, and even though we know what to do and want to do good, it still turns out bad. Paul explains this problem here. Finally, Paul thanks God for Jesus who delivered him from this body of death. The Jews had the Ten Commandments and observed the Sabbath, and yet this did not lead them to perfection, which means loving God with all their hearts and their neighbors. Jesus had to come and show us what we were missing and He offers Himself to us for free.
It is my sins and the sin of the whole world that have been made into a covering for Jesus, and in return Jesus wants to give me a clean, shiny, white, spotless covering. This covering for me is Himself. A woman caught in open adultery was subject to the law. Everyone wanted her dead. The penalty for breaking the law is death. But Jesus extended His mercy to her, and at that moment the law stopped working on her. All those elders who wanted her dead wanted to fulfill the law. But it was Jesus himself who fulfilled the requirements of the law and the prophets. When Jesus removed the law over this woman and applied mercy, he knew that he would have to pay for her with his death. Everyone who expects mercy from Jesus must know that the requirements of the law no longer burden him because Jesus already died for it. When the Declogue was shown to the Israelites, they still had a fallen nature. The law only shows that we are sinful and that we should die. The law condemns us, just as the elders condemned this woman.
Correct. Was it ok for the woman to now commit adultery since Jesus set her free from the condemnation of the law? Yes or no question. When Jesus set her free, Did he abolish the law that said do not commit adultery? Or did he say go and transgress this law no more? Being set free from the condemnation of the law does not mean one is free to break said law. Right?
When someone steals something and doesn't go to jail for it, you can say that the law has not been fulfilled. I sin and at the moment of my death the law is fulfilled, because the penalty for sin is death. Jesus fulfilled the law by his death.
@@charnelallan7159 right. Because “I had not known sin except the law said thou shall not covet.” By the law is the knowledge of sin. By Christ is redemption from sin. But Christ doesn’t not cancel the law. He cancels the condemnation. The law that says thou shall not covet still stands. Ready to condemn again if broken again.
@@charnelallan7159 The law of conscience was the law of God written on the heart when he created ADAM and Eve. Thats why before the law written art sinai, the3yb new it was wrong to steal, kill, lie, and break that which is holy, the sabbath.
On the seventh day, God rested from His works (to rest, to cease, to observe, to cease from activity). The first humans did not participate in the work that God did in creation. Day one of creation, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six, God creates the first people. In 5 days, God creates everything that is needed for people, and on the 6th day, He creates man, where everything is ready for them. The entire creation of the world by God has been completed. Rest or abstention from work concerned God, not man, but the first people had no reason to rest or refrain from work. You can't rest if you haven't worked.
This reminds me of the story of the harlot who was caught in an open sin and the sin is death and when it comes to the law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, this woman deserved to die because of the law that demands fulfillment. Jesus forgave this woman and from that moment on she followed Jesus. This woman did not have to go back to the Ten Commandments to know that she had sinned. However, those who wanted to stone Her also had something on their conscience and they also knew the Law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, but unlike this woman, They did not come to Jesus to ask Him for forgiveness. They preferred to stick to the old covenant and convince themselves and perhaps others that it was only this woman that was the problem. The Decalogue only shows the problem but does not solve it. You may ask why God gave the Ten Commandments which does not solve the problem? The Decalogue is intended to show what sin is and our helplessness in the fight against our fallen nature. Only in Jesus is change possible and nowhere else. The man who relies on the law will lose. Jesus introduces not only forgiveness but also a certain principle related to it, namely that you have to forgive others yourself. Many others Jesus introduced laws and principles and will emphasize this by saying, "He said, 'If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.'" 8. Jesus Christ also taught: "[Love ] the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. Jesus does not demand our death for breaking the law, but he expects mercy from us. This woman was to be sacrificed for breaking the law, because the sin is death. Jesus does not want sacrifice but mercy. He offered Himself on the cross as a sacrifice for us. There is a difference between the law of Moses and Jesus. If we put ourselves in the position of looking at the Ten Commandments in order to follow them, from our fallen perspective it is impossible, but the scribes did not understand it this way. Can we still pretend before God that we know how to follow the Ten Commandments and that the principles of the Mosaic law are the right way?!
Wow I’ve never heard it put that way. That was a blessed message! This takes all the vagueness away and fills in the blanks. It’s all so clear now!
Powerful sermons thank you very much Pastor ivor may God continue to bless you and teach us!
Beautiful message, beauifully given. Thank you for making it so clear and so simple, Oh Lord!
😮 This is a whole new perspective on breaking and disrespecting God’s law awesome message praise God 🙏🏻
Amen brother 🤍
Thank you for having the strength and courage to boldly stand up for him !
God bless you 🙏 I will share this
More extensive symbolism pointing to Jesus was included in the earthly temple that was given to Moses. We must always remember that it was given for our sake, so that we could better understand Jesus and His mission. The Sabbath was established to commemorate the creation and exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. The Sabbath is part of the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commandments are part of the earthly temple about which Jesus said that not one stone will be left upon another. It is Jesus who does all the work and invites us to rest in Him.
Listening in png more of those preaching am praying 🙏 for you pastor (in Papua new Guinea)
Praise God
Powerful Message 🙏🏽
Amém
Thanks Pastor Ivor
I repent for breaking every commandment of God’s Law!!
If God’s law was done away with, then who is hell’s fire for?
The seventh day is a rest for God after the creation of the world. The Sabbath is for Jesus to rest in the grave after all his work.
Excellent Message Pastor Ivor!
Thank God for Christ being our Sabbath Rest
Praise God. Christ provides us rest from breaking his Law.
On the one hand, there is the Ten Commandments and our work to achieve perfection.
On the other hand, there is Jesus and His work to make us grow in Him.
How much more possible 😮..... Christianity today......... fits so many warnings in the Old Testament
If someone does something by breaking the law and there is an appropriate provision for it, e.g. 2 years in prison. The fulfillment of this law is to put such a person in prison for two years. The law has been fulfilled. Sometimes people escape, are not caught or the crime is not solved because it is human and must not be perfect by nature. But when it comes to me, for example, I have broken God's law and for that there is a death penalty, eternal death of course. Therefore, the fulfillment of God's law is my death. There is a law, there is a criminal, there is punishment. Jesus fulfilled the law and the prophets. The fulfillment of the law is death. Fulfillment and observance are two different things.
God's law is the law of love. Sin is a sickness of heart that without remedy results in behaviors, what we call sins, that add damage to us characteriologically as well as spiritually.
When we think of sin as crimes punishable by death-everything becomes very pharisaical and behavior-oriented.
However, when we take a look back and realize it is the malady of fear and selfishness humanity is enslaved by and Christ partook of humanity to purge it out of humanity to renew it in love and righteousness-our understanding of how God's law operates changes as well as what Christ came to accomplish in the first place.
Unless we come back to Creator worship which is exactly what the first angel's message has called us to do-we will never be effective in presenting the second and third.
We must rid ourselves of the idea that God's law is a Babylonian legal code, as if it's the Code of Hammurabi, that violations of said law requires the infliction or payment of a penalty by God's Son to essentially “let Him off” from punishing us. If we present this view, we are grossly misrepresenting the character of God.
We must worship the Creator whose laws are the design parameters for life and health and deviations from those laws sear the conscience, warp the character, and harden the heart. Quintessentially degenerating us less and less in what God created human beings to be which was to show forth His image-His character-in how they live and conduct themselves.
That's a false diagnosis of the problem. It is the sin condition-not the acts that lead to death-that are the problem.
Evangelical Protestantism's diagnosis of the problem is based off the Roman legal system-you committed the crime and now you're on the hook to pay the debt you owe.
When Psalms 51:5 says we're born in sin and conceived in iniquity-a condition of fear-driven selfishness that leads to the acts that to death. We need a remedy-a cure-a transformation of the heart by the Spirit-cutting away the dross of selfishness and putting in a new righteous heart within the believer.
Sin is not a legal matter that needs to be paid for by some legal payment that declares us legally righteous even though we are not. We are human beings drowning in the pit of our sin-we need an actual transformation of being where we actually love God and others more than self.
Looking at the Ten Commandments, do we say "this is how we will obey" or rather "we are unable to"? If we choose 1, we will be deceiving ourselves.
If 2, we turn our eyes away from the Ten Commandments and look for help from Jesus.
Preach it brother Ivor!!
There is a danger that when we show people the Ten Commandments in the wrong way, people will not accept Jesus.
What does it mean to show inappropriately? If you follow the Ten Commandments, you will get to heaven. People who understand the Decalogue in this way get very tired because we pretend that we, from the perspective of fallen people, can obey the Decalogue. To put it another way, the Ten Commandments are out there somewhere and they show us the LAW. People got this LAW and we know it and the elder teachers knew it in the scriptures. And we will all sin again. Some knew that they were sinning and others pretended that when they learned this LAW, from then on they did as the Decalogue commands. We know that we all break the law.
The Decalogue is just a tool in God's hands to show us what situation we are in. We can also say that God's love and forgiveness have always existed, but of course we know this, for example from the story of King David. In Jesus, God manifested his love to everyone. He made us realize that not only David sinned, but all of us. WE ALL DO LAWFULNESS EVEN WE KNOW THE LAW. There is one more problem that if we break the LAW we are guilty of everything contained in the law, even in such a situation the Sabbath does not count.
On the seventh day, God rested from His works (to rest, to cease from doing, to observe, to cease from activity). The first humans did not participate in the work that God did in creation. Day one of creation, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six, God creates the first people. In 5 days, God creates everything that is needed for people, and on the 6th day, He creates man, where everything is ready for them. The entire creation of the world by God has been completed. Rest or abstention from work was a concern of God, not of man, while the first people had no reason to rest or refrain from work. You can't rest if you haven't worked.
What should people do with something that God says is holy. Like Gods throne is holy. It’s his, not ours. Should create throne holy though it is not ours. Whatever God says is holy, how should that thing be treated?
We sinners through Jesus need to uphold the law in its original state including the highly educated as well as the panhandler on the street corner. PTL for all the truth revealed.
On the seventh day, God rested from His works (to rest, to cease, to observe, to cease from activity). The first humans did not participate in the work that God did in creation. Day one of creation, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six, God creates the first people. In 5 days, God creates everything that is needed for people, and on the 6th day, He creates man, where everything is ready for them. The entire creation of the world by God has been completed. Rest or abstention from work concerned God, not man, but the first people had no reason to rest or refrain from work. You can't rest if you haven't worked.
He was not advocating that he didn't need God's law to rightly discern right from wrong but that God is actually withholding blessings from him and the rest of the angelic host.
And with this disgruntlement, he began to advocate that God “was not just in imposing laws to all created beings.”
Ellen White eloquently points out the following in Patriarchs and Prophets:
“God could employ only such means as were consistent with truth and righteousness. Satan could use what God could not-flattery and deceit. He had sought to falsify the word of God and had misrepresented His plan of government, claiming that God was not just in imposing laws upon the angels; that in requiring submission and obedience from His creatures, He was seeking merely the exaltation of Himself. It was therefore necessary to demonstrate before the inhabitants of heaven, and of all the worlds, that God's government is just, His law perfect. Satan had made it appear that he himself was seeking to promote the good of the universe. The true character of the usurper and his real object must be understood by all. He must have time to manifest himself by his wicked works.” PP 42.1
He is manifesting a double entendre. He is suggesting two lies in that statement. Firstly, that God is not just. Secondly, that He is imposing laws.
Many, in Protestantism, have sadly still held onto this lie and continue to stipulate that Jesus must die to pay a penalty to maintain the integrity of the law. What they fail to realize that God already abundantly pardons us for our condition; He does not hold us accountable for the hereditary of our condition. Yet, He does hold us accountable if we haven't taken hold of Christ by faith, making Him the apple of our eye, and thus becoming reconciled unto to our heavenly Father for our cleansing and restoration unto righteousness
Ellen also points out the following in Patriarchs and Prophets, pg. 685, par. 2:
“While God has desired to teach men that from His own love comes the Gift which reconciles them to Himself, the archenemy of mankind has endeavored to represent God as one who delights in their destruction. Thus the sacrifices and the ordinances designed of Heaven to reveal divine love have been perverted to serve as means whereby sinners have vainly hoped to propitiate, with gifts and good works, the wrath of an offended God. At the same time, Satan has sought to arouse and strengthen the evil passions of men in order that through repeated transgression multitudes might be led on and on, far from God, and hopelessly bound with the fetters of sin.” PK 685.2
Many still hold to the idea that Jesus' death, that through His blood, is the means unto which we receive legal pardon for our sins from God. We must maintain the fact that Hebrews 9:22 says astutely that without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin. God is always propitious towards us. As Paul says in the first or second epistle to the Corinthian church: “God was in the Son reconciling the world to Himself.” And in the book of Romans, chap. 8, v. 31-32 says, “31 What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?
32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things?”
The problem is our carnal nature-the survival-of-the-fittest principle that drives us into self-interest, insecurity, and fear for oneself.
When Adam and Eve sinned, God, His attitude, nor His law changed. However, they're now in transgression and are in a terminal condition of continual degradation spiritually and physically, and now Christ coming in through the human family with in or around four thousand years of degradation that there was absolutely no reason for Adam and Eve to believed God was withholding truth, love, or anything from them for the betterment of their well-being. He revealed that in even weaker humanity that He could rightly establish obedience to God's law and rectify the sin problem by overcoming the carnal nature and becoming the Second Adam.
Are you saying that we don’t receive “legal pardon”
Through the death of Jesus??
Please elaborate on what His death was for? Was he atoning for our sins? Was the wrath of God satisfied at the cross?
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How do you understand the wrath of God?
What law lens are you looking through?
If God's law are simply rules that are enforced by threat of punishment than God's wrath is not against sin itself but personally against the sinner.
But if God is Creator and His laws sustain the universe, after Adam and Eve sinned, God "passed over" (Passover) the sins previously committed in His forbearance.
Paul outlines this clearly in Romans chap. 3, v. 25-26, “25 whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, 26 to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.”
Thus, by Christ taking up our humanity, (Galatians 4:4 & Romans 8:1; born under the law of sin and death) in order that we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Corinthians 5:21)
God's wrath is not inflicting punishment but to cease from using power to shield one from the natural consequences of their choices. (Romans 1:24, 26, 28)
Thus, in Romans 4:25, God in His wrath against sin, ceased from using power to shield His Son to make the ultimate choice of overcoming the pull of temptations of the carnal nature in order to destroy Satan and his work, death, and bring life and immortality to light. (Hebrews 2:14, 1 Timothy 1:10, and 1 John 3:8.) Thus, He becomes the New & Second Adam. (1 Cor. 15:48-49)
@@caleschnell law lens? What exactly do you mean by this? Gods law enforced by punishment suggests that it’s against the sinner and not the sin? The wages or payment or recompense for sin is death, correct? Death of what? Of who? Does the scripture not say that Christ was made sin? Did He not suffer the full penalty for the sins of the world? Think of it this way: Christ on the cross paying for the sins of a lost world, sins past, present, and future. Who is the only being in that scenario who could mete out the appropriate amount of punishment for all of those sins? Who could have a full knowledge of all of the sins to be committed into the future, and make sure the atonement was complete, so as to cover them?
I’ll be back with a quote from the prophet, and would like to get your thoughts on it
@@caleschnell The power that inflicted retributive justice upon man's substitute and surety, was the power that sustained and upheld the suffering One under the tremendous weight of wrath that would have fallen upon a sinful world. Christ was suffering the death that was pronounced upon the transgressors of God's law. It is a fearful thing for the unrepenting sinner to fall into the hands of the living God. This is proved by the history of the destruction of the old world by a flood, by the record of the fire which fell from heaven and destroyed the inhabitants of Sodom. But never was this proved to so great an extent as in the agony of Christ, . . . when He bore the wrath of God for a sinful world. . . . {TMK 64.3}
Man has not been made a sin-bearer, and he will never know the horror of the curse of sin which the Saviour bore. No sorrow can bear any comparison with the sorrow of Him upon whom the wrath of God fell with overwhelming force. Human nature can endure but a limited amount of test and trial. The finite can only endure the finite measure, and human nature succumbs; but the nature of Christ had a greater capacity for suffering; for the human existed in the divine nature, and created a capacity for suffering to endure that which resulted from the sins of a lost world. The agony which Christ endured, broadens, deepens, and gives a more extended conception of the character of sin, and the character of the retribution which God will bring upon those who continue in sin. The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ. {TMK 64.4}
Please explain the statements above through your “law lens” Jesus never used His divine power to benefit himself, but what could be used was His divine capacity to suffer, and all sin was His to bear. What love is this?!! Again, who could mete out perfect justice for all of the sin to ever be committed? And for all of the sins future, how could what Jesus experienced be “the natural consequence of choices” when they hadn’t been committed yet??
Most important: please explain your interpretation of the statements from Ellen White above
Thanks
@@bpitch1071 Again, you're seeing this through the human law lens.
In the human law lens, sins are crimes, crimes require punishment, and the punishment is death.
In the design law lens, we have a condition, a carnal nature, that without Christ giving His life and our Heavenly Father and Holy Spirit letting go as They are the source of life, Christ cannot complete the mission of eradicating the death-causing principle that underlines the carnal nature.
You sadly still see under the purview of our Heavenly Father pouring out His wrath as if He is inflicting punishment. This is exactly Satan's argument and Ellen White in the Desire of Ages completely refutes that our heavenly Father requires a blood payment be made to forgive us of sin as well as Isaiah chap. 55 which says, “... He will freely pardon.”
“In the opening of the great controversy, Satan had declared that the law of God could not be obeyed, that justice was inconsistent with mercy, and that, should the law be broken, it would be impossible for the sinner to be pardoned. Every sin must meet its punishment, urged Satan; and if God should remit the punishment of sin, He would not be a God of truth and justice. When men broke the law of God, and defied His will, Satan exulted. It was proved, he declared, that the law could not be obeyed; man could not be forgiven. Because he, after his rebellion, had been banished from heaven, Satan claimed that the human race must be forever shut out from God's favor. God could not be just, he urged, and yet show mercy to the sinner.” DA 761.4
You are divorcing justice-from mercy, God's steadfast love, as though His justice, His righteousnes, is not merely the inner-working of His love to fix what is damaged in sinners. You pervert the justice of God when you make it look as though His justice is that of the sinful governments of this world. Christ Himself said, “My kingdom is not of this world” when you falsely conclude sin must be punished and if it is not-God is not just.
If you actually look at what true biblical justice is-it is helping the needy-the widow and the orphan. It is not punishing the oppressor but healing the oppressed.
Btw, Ellen White concludes further that, “We cannot know how much we owe to Christ for the peace and protection which we enjoy. It is the restraining power of God that prevents mankind from passing fully under the control of Satan. The disobedient and unthankful have great reason for gratitude for God's mercy and long-suffering in holding in check the cruel, malignant power of the evil one. But when men pass the limits of divine forbearance, that restraint is removed. God does not stand toward the sinner as an executioner of the sentence against transgression; but he leaves the rejecters of his mercy to themselves, to reap that which they have sown. Every ray of light rejected, every warning despised or unheeded, every passion indulged, every transgression of the law of God, is a seed sown, which yields its unfailing harvest. The Spirit of God, persistently resisted, is at last withdrawn from the sinner, and then there is left no power to control the evil passions of the soul, and no protection from the malice and enmity of Satan.” GC88 36.2
God's laws are design laws. Any time we indulge sin, we crucify again the Son afresh, and we injure the intercessions of Christ that the Holy Spirit employs on our hearts and minds. Thus, transgression is not an arbitrary act in which God employs a punishment upon the rejectors of His mercy. He leaves them to themselves and they reap the sure result of their transgression and die as a consequence of not heeding to His moral laws which are natural constants He has interwoven in reality itself. (Exactly what Paul is speaking of as he explains what God's wrath in Romans chap. 1)
You are sadly still on milk; what Paul calls those who are still babes not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. You are not able to rightly divide the word of truth even enough to realize that God's wrath is not judicial or punitive but remedial and salvific in order that Christ in bearing up our iniquity, the carnal human nature, that through the greatest act of love ever shone is able to overcome the onslaughts of the enemy, Satan, working through that crowd telling Him to come down that cross to save Himself and not remedy the carnal nature and instill the law of love which is the law of life as the operative principle into the humanity He had fully taken up. Thus, He destroyed Satan's accusations about God's law by living it out fully by giving Himself that through Him we can be redeemed from the law of sin and death and thus live by the law of love that life is built to operate on.
My death. My SELF must die. My SELF must stop WORKING. If my SELF has died, it means that my SELF IS RESTING. If my SELF IS RESTING, it means that JESUS IS WORKING.(plus 2 coments below)
Solid points brother.
For example, taking the Sabbath itself from the Ten Commandments. The Sabbath is very important because it is in the Ten Commandments and the Ten Commandments are God's law. (Whoever wants to, can treat every day the same or observe the Sabbath, I have no problem with that, it's a matter between him and God)
There is a danger that if I take something from the Decalogue with the intention of "I will follow it", I will approach the entire Decalogue in the same way.
And yet the Decalogue should always turn our eyes to Jesus. People, however, prefer to look at the Ten Commandments all the time. What does the Ten Commandments mean for fallen humanity?
To your first point, it clearly states that not all days can be treated the same, because one of the 7 is a Holy Day.
To answer your question, nobody breaks down the relationship between the Law and Justification by Faith better than Pastor Myers. The law shows us what we need to repent for, because it tells us what sin is. Then, after we truly repent, through faith, we access mercy and are clothed with Christ's righteousness for there is none righteous among men and no other name by which we MUST be saved. And what do we do as evidence of our repentance? Keep the law. See the cycle/relationship? The plan of saving fallen man is brilliant on just about every level that my puny mind can understand
I don't know all the preparations the Jews made before the Sabbath. Washing, preparing meals... All the rituals preceding the Sabbath were intended to cleanse man so that he would enter the Sabbath day clean, and yet Jesus says to the same people, you must be born again. If you start to look closer, Jesus didn't change anything in the law because rest still applies, but this time it applies only in Jesus.
The problem is that we have something like this in our heads. The Decalogue comes from God, so I must follow it. It is true that the Decalogue comes from God. The problem, however, is that we are not capable of following the Ten Commandments due to our fallen nature. We must come to Jesus. To come to Jesus we must realize our hopelessness and WORK for perfection. The Decalogue has proven to us that we are unable to obey God's law. I have broken the law. THE LAW demands my death. Jesus died for me and for us. You must admit that there has been some change.
No one can keep the law perfectly. That is clearly understood. How does this equal the law is done away with and no longer relevant? The law of Christ you speak of. You have no problem that one? Can you keep that law perfectly?
30since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
51:28 God did better than come Himself in sending the One He loved more than Himself. Just ask any earthly father what would they do if they were presented the choice.
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After the fall of the first people, God searches, finds, investigates, listens, evaluates, judges, helps, punishes, and arranges animal sacrifices for them, pointing to the Son of God Jesus as the true sacrifice for sin. Adam began to work hard on the land and yet God did not give them the Sabbath but animal sacrifices. In the symbolism of animal sacrifices, JESUS is shown to people. Adam began to work and the FRUITS of his labor were thorns and thistles. God announced that the Messiah would come and rebuild everything and the fruits of HIS WORK are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control.
💯Amen
Because we have in our minds (at least I did) that Jesus fulfilled the law, that is, he obeyed the law. And it's getting messy here. The law was given for transgressions' sake, for our sakes. The law was not given to Jesus and because of the nature of Jesus, he was not fallen. His spirit did not fall. The whole, if I may say so, "symbolic temple for salvation", i.e. the temple, i.e. the earthly building and everything that was connected with it, the Decalogue, and the Sabbath in the Decalogue, all this is one symbolic system. Jesus fulfilled the law as it was written. He fulfilled the requirement of the law for us, which is death. The law demanded our death.Because we have in our minds (at least I did) that Jesus fulfilled the law, that is, he obeyed the law. And it's getting messy here. The law was given for transgressions' sake, for our sakes. The law was not given to Jesus and because of the nature of Jesus, he was not fallen. His spirit did not fall. The whole, if I may say so, "symbolic temple for salvation", i.e. the temple, i.e. the earthly building and everything that was connected with it, the Decalogue, and the Sabbath in the Decalogue, all this is one symbolic system. Jesus fulfilled the law as it was written. He fulfilled the requirement of the law for us, which is death. The law demanded our death.
This is the "law of Jesus at work" in you. The Decalogue has no power. The Decacode does not work within us. Old covenant and New covenant.
It is in Jesus that it is possible to approach perfection. There is no such possibility in the Decalogue.
Don't focus on the law given to Moses but focus on Jesus on the cross an Hi give you a new law and that's new law will be writer on your hearts.
What's the new law? How many Commandments Does Christ have? Have you counted them? Do you keep them?
One method is a law written in stone: you shall not do this or that. This method was only intended to show us that we are sinful. The second method is the living Jesus and He, filled with perfect love, showed us what we were missing. The first law had no force because it was just a letter on a stone. The living Jesus has power. The Mosaic Law is intended to show what we are like, and I still have to show us our powerlessness to fulfill this law. If we realize this, we must turn to Jesus. And when we become smaller and smaller and Jesus grows, His power in us will allow us to be like Him, that is, loving God and people.
@@davidkordas3339 The law on stone, which is the law of God, not the law of Moses, must be written on the heart. See Hebrews 8:8-10. The new covenant shows we no longer have hearts of stone that don't want to keep the law. We delight to do his will now, where before it was burdensome. But still, the law of Jesus, what exactly is that. And how many commandments are included in this law? How many commandments did Jesus give?
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
This reminds me of the story of the harlot who was caught in an open sin and the sin is death and when it comes to the law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, this woman deserved to die because of the law that demands fulfillment. Jesus forgave this woman and from that moment on she followed Jesus. This woman did not have to go back to the Ten Commandments to know that she had sinned. However, those who wanted to stone Her also had something on their conscience and they also knew the Law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, but unlike this woman, They did not come to Jesus to ask Him for forgiveness. They preferred to stick to the old covenant and convince themselves and perhaps others that it was only this woman that was the problem. The Decalogue only shows the problem but does not solve it. You may ask why God gave the Ten Commandments which does not solve the problem? The Decalogue is intended to show what sin is and our helplessness in the fight against our fallen nature. Only in Jesus is change possible and nowhere else. The man who relies on the law will lose. Jesus introduces not only forgiveness but also a certain principle related to it, namely that you have to forgive others yourself. Many others Jesus introduced laws and principles and will emphasize this by saying, "He said, 'If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.'" 8. Jesus Christ also taught: "[Love ] the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
Jesus does not demand our death for breaking the law, but he expects mercy from us. This woman was to be sacrificed for breaking the law, because the sin is death. Jesus does not want sacrifice but mercy. He offered Himself on the cross as a sacrifice for us.
There is a difference between the law of Moses and Jesus. If we put ourselves in the position of looking at the Ten Commandments in order to follow them, from our fallen perspective it is impossible, but the scribes did not understand it this way. Can we still pretend before God that we know how to follow the Ten Commandments and that the principles of the Mosaic law are the right way?!
Again, in that same story, when Jesus forgave the woman for adultery, was also saying that she no longer needed to keep the law that said do not commit adultery? Did Jesus abolish that law, or does it still stand. What did he mean when he said to her, go and "sin" (transgress the law I Jon 3:4) NO MORE? And why would not want to distinguish between the law of Moses and the Ten Commandments? Moses didn't write the Ten Commandments. God did. To demonstrate how futile of an argument this is. Moses wrote this Law: Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. Deut. 6:5
And this one: “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord." Le.19:18. Are these laws of Moses or of Jesus? Back to woman caught in adultery, was she free to now ignore that law? An answer would be appreciated! :) Keeping the law against adultery from that point on would not be the reason she was saved or forgiven. Jesus did that. Accepting Christ wipes away sin, not the law that describes sin. Why are you trying to get rid of that which describes sin? You do realize that this is being the devil's advocate who is called the "lawless one."
Jesus will forgive us whenever we turn to Him. Go and sin no more does not mean that I (Jesus) will never forgive you again. If Jesus forgives us and we sin again, it is more difficult for us to come to Him for forgiveness again, and every time we return to sin, there is a danger that we will not return to Jesus. When Jesus says to the woman, go and sin no more, he is actually saying to her, stay with me.
I think your putting words in my mouth. Jesus is always willing to forgive. My question was, did Jesus in forgiving the woman of adultery abolish the law that prohibits adultery? Does that law no longer apply to her exist since Jesus forgives? Does repentance from adultery mean adultery is no longer condemned?
Can the law on the stone forgive you your sins? The law in stone is just a tool in God's hands to show us what condition we are in. At that time, when the Israelites received the Ten Commandments, they still had a fallen nature. The law written in stone had no power to change the human heart.
The law was given because of the transgression of fallen people, that is, all of us. The temple on earth, the slaughter of animals on the altar, the Ten Commandments, the Sabbath, i.e. rest on the seventh day, and many others were given because of us, fallen people. Jesus did not follow the same rules as us, because He did not sin and did not have to participate in this practice for His sins. . He could have sinned, it was possible, but we know that He Himself did not sin, so He did not take part in it.
Jesus announced the destruction of the earthly temple and the rebuilding of it anew, and here he already spoke about himself about the temple of his body. He announced that the old system would be removed and replaced with a new one.
Jesus fulfilled the law that demanded our death. When Jesus rose from the dead, he rebuilt the temples, established the law because he himself died for our sins and the requirements of the law towards us were placed on Jesus, so the law was established, which means that if there was no law, Jesus would not have had to die.
The old temple was destroyed, animal sacrifices stopped, the law was nailed to the cross, payment for the curse of the law made in Jesus. Jesus rebuilds the temples, the new commandment gives us rest only in Jesus.
Why are there so many advertisements on your videos? Powerful message but really hard to listen through the worldly advertisements. Just some food for thought.
I'm pretty sure that he has no control over what you tube does. But you do you can subscribe to the no ads on your RUclips account. Also when he has the live service there are no advertising hiccups just the message praise God and Bless you always
This world is filled with lawlessness and sin and we just have to be thankful that this message is being able to be put out there for people to. Know the truth just ignore those advertisements and when they come up just pray and be thankful that you're knowing the truth.
And to resist the devil so submitting to the Lord resists the devil and he will flee so you just put your mind on Jesus and he will help. You through it.
Why is that even a question? that's the devil's angels playing with your feed. Pastor has no say in advertisements, that's youtube... smh
It's called the skip button 🧐😑
Forgiving and accepting forgiveness. Forgiveness where Love is the basis is true forgiveness. This woman, accepting forgiveness as an expression of true love, received grace from Jesus, but also His love came to live in her. The law of love. She wasn't lawless now. Of course, this law of the Decalogue exists, but it has no force. The law of love and forgiveness does. It can be said ironically that when she was under the law, i.e. the Decalogue, she committed lawlessness. The law of Jesus and His principles prevail over the law written in stone. This woman, accepting forgiveness from Jesus and then witnessing the events until the end, understood that Jesus was beaten instead of her. And this awareness of great love was engraved in her heart. If we do not accept the laws of Jesus, the law on the stone will not help. It wasn't that when Jesus forgave this woman, he only made a small correction regarding "no adultery." Jesus showed this woman His love for her, and when He died on the cross, she saw the HUGEITY of HIS LOVE even more.
This beautiful. Wow. But it doesn’t answer the question. Is thou shall not commit adultery a law that God expects his people to honor? Are you married? Would your wife expect you to honor this commandment? Also, what is the law of Jesus? What are his commandments? You haven’t answered that yet either.
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Satan is the man of lawlessness or of sin.
Law Cannot Save from Sin
13Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. 14For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. 18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25I thank God-through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
With my mind I serve the law of God. What is that Law? And don’t serve it with your mind like Paul?
Paul is not only talking about himself here, but he is talking about all of us. In the situation we all find ourselves in. We all have a fallen nature, a sinful nature, and even though we know what to do and want to do good, it still turns out bad. Paul explains this problem here. Finally, Paul thanks God for Jesus who delivered him from this body of death. The Jews had the Ten Commandments and observed the Sabbath, and yet this did not lead them to perfection, which means loving God with all their hearts and their neighbors. Jesus had to come and show us what we were missing and He offers Himself to us for free.
@@davidkordas3339 With the mind I serve the law. Why is Paul saying here that the law should be served? Should be obeyed mentally?
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G O D I S L O V E (1 John 4:16).
T H E R E F O R E L O V E I S T H E F U L F I L L I N G O F T H E L A W ( Romans 13:10)
G O D = L A W = L O V E 🙏🙏🙏🙏
It is my sins and the sin of the whole world that have been made into a covering for Jesus, and in return Jesus wants to give me a clean, shiny, white, spotless covering. This covering for me is Himself.
A woman caught in open adultery was subject to the law. Everyone wanted her dead. The penalty for breaking the law is death. But Jesus extended His mercy to her, and at that moment the law stopped working on her. All those elders who wanted her dead wanted to fulfill the law. But it was Jesus himself who fulfilled the requirements of the law and the prophets. When Jesus removed the law over this woman and applied mercy, he knew that he would have to pay for her with his death. Everyone who expects mercy from Jesus must know that the requirements of the law no longer burden him because Jesus already died for it. When the Declogue was shown to the Israelites, they still had a fallen nature. The law only shows that we are sinful and that we should die. The law condemns us, just as the elders condemned this woman.
Correct. Was it ok for the woman to now commit adultery since Jesus set her free from the condemnation of the law? Yes or no question. When Jesus set her free, Did he abolish the law that said do not commit adultery? Or did he say go and transgress this law no more? Being set free from the condemnation of the law does not mean one is free to break said law. Right?
When someone steals something and doesn't go to jail for it, you can say that the law has not been fulfilled. I sin and at the moment of my death the law is fulfilled, because the penalty for sin is death. Jesus fulfilled the law by his death.
@@davidkordas3339 You arent answering the simply question though.
@@charnelallan7159 right. Because “I had not known sin except the law said thou shall not covet.” By the law is the knowledge of sin. By Christ is redemption from sin. But Christ doesn’t not cancel the law. He cancels the condemnation. The law that says thou shall not covet still stands. Ready to condemn again if broken again.
@@charnelallan7159 The law of conscience was the law of God written on the heart when he created ADAM and Eve. Thats why before the law written art sinai, the3yb new it was wrong to steal, kill, lie, and break that which is holy, the sabbath.
On the seventh day, God rested from His works (to rest, to cease, to observe, to cease from activity). The first humans did not participate in the work that God did in creation. Day one of creation, day two, day three, day four, day five, day six, God creates the first people. In 5 days, God creates everything that is needed for people, and on the 6th day, He creates man, where everything is ready for them. The entire creation of the world by God has been completed. Rest or abstention from work concerned God, not man, but the first people had no reason to rest or refrain from work. You can't rest if you haven't worked.
This reminds me of the story of the harlot who was caught in an open sin and the sin is death and when it comes to the law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, this woman deserved to die because of the law that demands fulfillment. Jesus forgave this woman and from that moment on she followed Jesus. This woman did not have to go back to the Ten Commandments to know that she had sinned. However, those who wanted to stone Her also had something on their conscience and they also knew the Law of Moses, i.e. the Ten Commandments, but unlike this woman, They did not come to Jesus to ask Him for forgiveness. They preferred to stick to the old covenant and convince themselves and perhaps others that it was only this woman that was the problem. The Decalogue only shows the problem but does not solve it. You may ask why God gave the Ten Commandments which does not solve the problem? The Decalogue is intended to show what sin is and our helplessness in the fight against our fallen nature. Only in Jesus is change possible and nowhere else. The man who relies on the law will lose. Jesus introduces not only forgiveness but also a certain principle related to it, namely that you have to forgive others yourself. Many others Jesus introduced laws and principles and will emphasize this by saying, "He said, 'If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.'" 8. Jesus Christ also taught: "[Love ] the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
Jesus does not demand our death for breaking the law, but he expects mercy from us. This woman was to be sacrificed for breaking the law, because the sin is death. Jesus does not want sacrifice but mercy. He offered Himself on the cross as a sacrifice for us.
There is a difference between the law of Moses and Jesus. If we put ourselves in the position of looking at the Ten Commandments in order to follow them, from our fallen perspective it is impossible, but the scribes did not understand it this way. Can we still pretend before God that we know how to follow the Ten Commandments and that the principles of the Mosaic law are the right way?!
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