I Would also add that, the way Fate treats Iskandar by showing more of his good side, is pretty similar how we treat his history as well, it's pretty common for people to remember his Victories and level headness for the time, forgetting he was often the agressor in those wars. His feats are still inspirational it is just good to keep those things in mind.
this is my favorite quote from Fate Iskandar "To win, but not destroy; to conquer, but not humiliate: That is what true conquest is!" that's basically who Alexander the Great is
About the dogs on the CE. Diogenes was the most famous member of the cynicism philosophy, and cynicism derives its name from the Greek for dog (from Wikipedia : The term cynic derives from Ancient Greek κυνικός (kynikos) 'dog-like' and κύων (kyôn) 'dog'). Dogs and the barrel are always associated with Diogenes. There’s also another Alexander and Diogenes story that goes like this: “Alexander the Great found the philosopher looking attentively at a pile of human bones. Diogenes explained, “I am searching for the bones of your father, but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave.””
Bucephalus being a NP for Kid Alex is also really neat since Bucephalus was Kid Alex's greatest feat. The Taming of Bucephalus was a notable achievement considering supposedly he was incredibly rowdy and unridable until Alexander managed to tame and ride him
I always interpreted Alexander’s wanting to meet Nero in Septum less as “Nero Worship” more, she’s the current ruler of Rome in the proper timeline, and he wants to see if she has what it takes to correct things. Basically it didn’t matter that she was Nero Claudius, rather the “Proper Roman Emperor”
@@CrazyYurie indeed I would suggest to read the manga version of septem As it dials down the nero simping to minimum and focuses on actual character and story
Its worth noting that historically speaking, Alexander the Great is depicted as being a slender man with black hair and heterochromatic eyes (two different colors). Obviously this depiction doesn't fit Fate's depiction, which Waver notes in Zero. These traits are instead given to Faker, who serves as his body double. Faker is entirely made up, being Hephestion's nameless sister.
I saw multiple competing depictions of Alex's physical description, which is why I fell back on talking about the statue of Alex made during his lifetime - something I could rely on more.
@@dakotadoyle7573 He *might* qualify for Assassin. He doesn't *feel* like one in any of his appearances. You show me his fight vs Lancelot in the movie, and his Mad Enhancement Inducing NP, and I'll tell you that's the furthest away from Assassin possible.
If Gilgamesh didnt swear to only ever have one friend forever iskandar probably would've been his second he not only used enkidu on iskandar but summons ea and stabs him letting his blood touch the barrels of ea which is pretty telling how much he liked iskandar
A moment that stuck with me was how in Fate/Zero, it's easy to just roll with Iskandar's enthusiasm and just nod along when he cheerfully talks about his grail wish, but then you stop and think about how that would realistically play out. He'd probably end up starting the Fate equivalent of WW3. Sure, he'd probably throw some fun parties and there would definitely be some people willing to fight for him but worldwide conquest is a lot larger scale these days, nukes exist now and people aren't as willing to glorify present day imperialism. Then there's the political mess of Alexander the Great walking into the Balkans before any of the conquering even starts and all the magi who try to destroy all threats to their secrecy. It gives the impression that the way Iskandar's charisma and force of personality obscures the darker aspects of conquest was likely at least somewhat intentional. He's good at PR. Most of it's probably because it'd get in the way of his narrative role, though. The other thing that stuck with me is the fantastic way F/Z used him as a foil to Artoria for her character arc. A lot of people get upset about how he called her out at the banquet but her whole deal about trying to erase her legend was something she needed to let go of. It's just that F/Z is the tragic prequel to the story where she actually completes her arc and ends up in a better place. A king who unapologetically lives life to the fullest, accepts the good and the bad of this and earned many people's respect in doing so is an excellent foil to a version of king Arthur who lived apart from others to the point of alienating them, lost their trust and wants to completely unmake what happened because of it. One problem with the scene is that his army was in parade formation instead of the Macedonian phalanx, which was famously a big part of why his army was so successful. I don't really find Alexander's death all that mysterious relative to other things we just don't have the information to be completely sure about. People love speculating about possible assassinations of famous people but what we know points to illness. The amount of time it took him to die makes poisoning unlikely and a number of common illnesses from the time can account for his symptoms. The main suggestions seem to be malaria and typhoid, but I came across an interesting theory about GBS. The bigger mystery is his tomb, which has never been found despite many people looking for it. Lots of wild theories around that. When I was looking up restored colors for classical statues, I found one that was depicting Alexander in a red tunic and lion cap. It's from a tomb in the royal necropolis of Sidon. I also found that Iskandar is likely derived from parsing Alexander's name as Al-iskandar in arabic, due to al being a definite article that's used as a prefix. The whole spreading Greek culture thing just reeks of European historians' fixation with painting Greece as the origin of civilization and tendency to downplay, erase or appropriate the contributions of other cultures. Greece wasn't the only culture Alexander paid attention to in his empire and a lot of what he did in that regard seemed to be to strengthen political relations and foster a shared identity to improve his empire's longevity. It facilitated cultural exchange within it as a whole, not just introducing everyone to Greece. It's like when they assumed any culture that wrote Greek texts spoke and was culturally Greek when trade languages don't really work that way.
I'd be curious if Yurie ever had a Hephastion follow up if only to talk about Waver Case Files and the post-Iksander effect on Waver himself; tho unless it was specifically elaborated in Fate/Zero's original Novels, I won't give Gen Urobuchi any more credit as anime-only doesnt really admonish Iksanders recklessness again having both Artoria and Gil dignity his power, if not outright idolize him through Waver's arc. Of course maybe if they were more conscious of admonished Iksander they'd emphasize his post-conquest fallout and his entire lifes work empire completely imploding internally yadda yadda so yknow maybe Gen ate the propaganda more than refute it
Artoria in fate zero didn't want to erase her legend She wanted to go back in time and redo it Its only due to iskander's words that after the fight with lancelot she decided to erase her ever becoming king
@@Anonlyso Artoria never really warms up to Iskandar and Gilgamesh's respect for him isn't about morality. Gil's an egotistical jerk who doesn't care about that sort of thing. A bunch of characters get exasperated by Iskandar doing things they consider reckless like barging into a duel and revealing his identity. His unconventional way of doing things has its advantages, but it also gives his opponents more to plan against him, which is a disadvantage worth considering with his limited mana. Kirei was able to exploit Artoria's dislike of him to frame him for Iri's abduction, which cost him his chariot. He also used a lot of mana dealing with Assassin and the kraken with no quick way to replenish it. He didn't win the grail war, but he arguably spent his time better leaving a lasting impression on other characters and a heroic last stand against Gilgamesh is a decent consolation prize. It's not like getting the grail would've been useful in the state it was in anyway. As for historical examples, Fate isn't really trying to educate people about history so much as telling stories that happen to involve legendary figures. They take a lot of liberties for the sake of the story or worldbuilding and you never really get detailed accounts of people's deeds even when they're villains that can be as terrible as they want. There's only so much room to tell the story, so they focus on the parts that are relevant to the plot or the character's abilities. When you pay attention to Iskandar's character, it's pretty clear his morals aren't what people expect these days, even if he's nicer about it than Gilgamesh. They get along because they're both unapologetic about pursuing their desires and following through on their ideals. Iskandar has no qualms taking what he wants from others and doesn't object to being called greedy or a tyrant. Waver's arc is about finding confidence in himself and he doesn't really have the time or disposition to debate morals and history with his Servant, if he even knows enough history to do so. He's also a magus, who aren't exactly known for being moral. The culture doesn't really leave a lot of room for morals, so even the nice ones generally do questionable things to some extent. I wouldn't really expect Waver to be put off by that sort of thing when he's surrounded by people like Kayneth. What bothers me more is how much needs to be unpacked about magi, like the colonialist aspects of casually looting historical and cultural artifacts for personal gain and that magi are continuing slavery through homunculi. There's also the nihilistic aspects of the magic system and how it basically validates some of the terrible stuff magi do. Sakura's backstory also raises some concerns about the prevalence of SA among magi but the nasuverse seems to have been toning down that aspect of the writing. Artoria brought up the collapse of his empire, when questioning Iskandar's problem with her wish and regrets over the fall of Camelot: "Iskandar. Your reign ended with all your heirs slain, and your empire broken up by civil war. Do you mean to say, that you have no regrets about that end?" "None at all. Not if it came to pass by my own decisions and the considerable sacrifices of my many retainers. Its destruction was inevitable. I shall mourn it. And shed tears over it. But I shall never regret it." "But you-" "Let alone undo it all! Such an act would be an insufferable insult to all those who fought and bled and died alongside me!" Iskandar does care about what happened, but his philosophy is about living life to the fullest and accepting what happens, for better or worse. That's why his wish is to become reincarnated and pursue his conquest in the present, rather than undoing his death and the events that followed. He looks towards the future rather than dwelling in the past and the things that could've been. On the IRL side of things, there isn't really anything Alexander could've done to prevent it. His death came at a bad time and he didn't have an heir ready to take the throne. Large empire with lots of politically ambitious people, succession crisis and rumors of assassination mean civil war while everyone interested in ruling fight over who gets to the top. Empires in general also aren't really sustainable. It's really more a matter of when they collapse than if. In addition to the banquet itself, Iskandar also summarizes his views in his speech to his army, and his parting words to Artoria: "Hear me! A king must live a grand life and embody his people's image of admiration! He who is worthy of all heroes' envy! And he who leads their way! That, is a king! Therefore, the king is not alone! For his will equals that of all who would follow him to his ultimate glory combined!" "You may keep silent. Tonight was for a conversation amongst kings... but I no longer recognize you as a king, Saber. Little girl. You must wake from your sad dream and see the truth. If you don't, someday you'll lose even that modicum of pride you retain as a heroic spirit. The dream of a king you spoke of earlier is a curse and a burden which blinds and cripples you." Iskandar isn't likeable because he's morally upstanding, he's likable because there are positive aspects to his philosophy of self-indulgence and leadership that are worth learning from and he's more personable than most of the other characters in the story. Don't go around conquering and stealing but let yourself have things and be a fully realized human being. Artoria didn't let herself really have a life, because she felt that being king meant sacrificing her humanity. It was a terrible way to live, took a toll on the people around her and led to the fall of her kingdom. She's not wrong to think that a king should serve their people but martyring herself wasn't a good way to do that. Going through the banquet episode, I was reminded that Iskandar summons the Gordius Wheel by slashing the air, in reference to how he got it from cutting the gordian knot. Like how Medusa summons Pegasus by stabbing her neck because it was born from her blood after she was decapitated. It slipped my mind to talk about design, so I guess I'll drop it here. There's a virgina sun on Alexander's chest. The fur trim on Iskandar's cloak is probably lion. Aside from the Heracles association, there's a mosaic depicting Alexander hunting a lion. Macedonia was one of the last parts of the European lion's range before they went extinct. Red is associated with Macedonia, which is presumably why it's such a big part of his design. The red hair and eyes also tie into his whole son of Zeus thing with how the nasuverse depicts demigods and people descended from magical beings. I like the golden accents in his design a lot better than how they went about gold with Gilgamesh.
@@taiga738 Certainly all ends up under creative licensees stretch to the end for Fate, but it still stands out, almost subversive that Urobuchi had ANY positive arc out of the Tragic Prequel: Kayneth dies BECAUSE of his love even in cucking, Kariya's self-destruction amounts to very little and rubs in his face his love as impure etc (if I was really pushing it, Ryuunosuke going out with a smile is still way more satisfactory than everyone else "dying for nothing") hell even just Kiritsugu's wild obsession with pragmatic heroism backfires as THE final theme and incites Fate's big incident etc..., beyond the obvious "x people have to live to start Fate/Stay Night and y can die freely", just ending with the would-be selfish villains "winning" as set-up...it actually kinda re-inforces Selfishness as virtue if only that of the 4 survivors, Kiritsugu is fucking miserable while Gil and Kirei are living it up and Waver, well he's the surprise survivor FOR carrying on Rider's will, when it could so very easily have been the exact thing that could've killed "any other foolish idealist" for extra easy tragedy that tips the Urobutcher's merciful hand Whether it's "over-reading intent" that Rider's end leaves a dignified, if not outright positive effect in a sea of otherwise tragedy even for just Fate/Zero's story that "accepting one's selfishness as self-actualization" can be message contrast how every "self-less idealist" is so readily beat down, even just leading into the Fate/Route, that Waver lives long enough to straight up becoming El Melloi II and STILL draws motivation from Iksander just kinda exonerates and cements him as an overall positive figure pushing AGAINST Mage Society norms etc... sure, Fate/Zero didn't need to be the "actually Alexander was a dumbass" show, but because all the philosophical opponents wound up suffering and dead pretty much makes Iksander right if not by default, than by future proxy of Waver's growth etc...
Actually now that I think of it, Gen pulls this AGAIN in Gaim: Anti-Hero (Baron) while antagonistic and power-hungry is charismatic with people enough to mentor ANOTHER guy (Zack), one Gen admitted had a million death flags, and instead is deeply inspired BECAUSE of Baron's complete selfishness and "lust for power" that it actually empowers HIM to become downright heroic. Lesser extents with Psychopass and Thunderbolt Fantasy (Dad > Son sacrifice is traditionally noble, and the idealist kid more-or-less survives with only a couple scratchs) It just funny to contrast all the mercy given to these bright-eyed hero kids...and still kill all the "badass women" on the side lol
Iskandar and Waver probably have one of my favourite servant/master dynamics in Fate I do wish younger Alex looked more like Iskander, Iskander has very recognisable facial features where as Alex just kinda has a generic “cute anime boy” face, I think there was definitely a way to de-age him while still keeping a resemblance to his old facial features
I just learned about this from my Greek history class! Lol Diogenes has a strong connection to dogs because he was called Diogenes the Cynic. The term Cynic comes from the Greek word kynikos, which basically means dog or dog-like. At least from what my teacher said Diogenes was called the Cynic because he lives like an animal, but Diogenes just made it part of his brand cause he's cool like that.
Someone may have pointed it already, but the dog in Alexander's bond CE is more a reference to Diogenes. He was the founder of the cynical ( not really in the sense we use in day-to-day talk) school of thought. Cynic come from dog in greek (Kynos), because they rejected some of society's rules and lived with, and like dogos on the streets. That is brought in the video on the anecdote of Alexander and Diogenes, where the later had no use for all of Alexander's riches and power, he just wanted to go back to enjoy the sun.
As for the diogenes thing: Diogenes was the greatest representative of the cynic school. Cynic came from the greek world for dog(wich yes, mean Genshin Impact has a character that is literally named "dog") because those philosophers rejected material goods, thinking only knowledge held any value. Diogenes took this to the extreme, to the point he was said to live like a dog, hence the school's name. In fact, Alexander was testing his character there. He wanted to see if Diogenes would fell to the temptation if the King offered him anything he desired. Diogenes did not and this left Alex deeply impressed.
It is funny to me how Fate Iskandar and Gilgamesh have body builds swapped with their depictions in reality, Gilgamesh is meant to be the mountain of muscles and Iskandar the boy band reject!
Iskandar (Adult Alexandar) in Fate has a second Noble Phantasm named Via Expugnatio. It is a weaker Noble Phantasm at rank A+ compared to Ionioi Hetairoi which is at EX rank, and it has not been depicted much in fate media. It was used only once in Fate Zero, against Artoria, which allowed him to dodge Excalibur at point blank range, and is also depicted in Fate/EXTELLA Link as one of his stronger attacks. It is basically him trampling his enemies with the Gordius Wheel at extremely high speeds using the power of Zeus. Spoiler: In the Case File of Lord El Melloi, Ergo who was created through experimentation of Iskandar's body alongside Sun Wukong, Set and Oceanus (Basically Ergo is a super being who was created using Iskandar's corpse by three mage groups and has parts and powers of Sun Wukong, Set and Oceanus) inherits Via Expugnatio fron Iskandar as part of his powers, (The others being the Ruyi Jingu Bang from Sun Wukong and Per Djet from Set).
There was a story in there travel in the dessert where Alexander refused to drink water when his men gave a helmet full of it because he wanted that his men gets to drink from it first rather than giving it to there king
"Glory lies beyond the horizon." I'm not gonna lie: Waver and Iskandar were the real protagonists of Fate/Zero for me. Part of that has to do with the fact that theirs is one of the few arcs that wraps up neatly when all's said and done. F/Z being a prequel means a lot of its plot has to leave threads dangling so they can be tied off in Stay Night.
Almost 40 mins... I shall require snacks, a drink and to watch the king's speech from Fate/Zero to inspire me. Also can we take about how busted his noble phantasm is? Summoning an entire army of heroic spirits, like hello? Assassin must have been like bro come on... I got like nine other me's, this ain't fair.
I wasn't aware that Iskandar's look as based on a statue by his personal sculptor. To think I've been laughing at those "Gil and Iskandar's design's were swtiched around" jokes for years Alexander actually has another connection to Divine Bulls, specifically the Apis Bulls of Egypt. (I apologize if that's what you were talking about when you talked about the bull sacrifice near the beginning. It sounds like you're talking about Gordias secrificng Bulls, but it could be Alexander doing it)
Diogenes was often derogatorily called a Dog, that's why the School of Philosophy that claims him as founder were called Cynics, from the Greek word for Dog. What the ancient Cynics were about doesn't correspond well to the most connotations of the word. I think Iskandar's philosophy in the Grial Dialogue is basically Thomas Carlyle's Heroarchy, which I view as the common ancestor of Fascism and Nazism. I think I've mentioned to you before how I do believe the Historical Nero was not nearly as pop as he's popularly portrayed. Now the RUclipsr Portable Orange has a two hour video on the topic.
Also, Alexander was so beloved by the Egyptians that they made him a Pharaoh. That’s yet another point into Divinity. C is an unusually high rank for a normal human but I think it makes sense with him.
ISKANDAR THE KING OF BROS I became a fan of him after Fate Zero(that was my entry on Fate Franchise). He's definitely the most carismatic of all the servants there. He can be both goofy and a serious leader. The "Banquet of Kings" scene where he scolds Arthuria was the proof that even with a most comedic tone, he also has great knowledge. And on battle he knows how to be a great leader.
Thanks for this fantastic video in one of my favourite Servants in the entire franchise. I can't add much except... Well, generic skills are to be expected when we're dealing with the second batch of 7 Servant ever made (well, more like 5, as 2 of them were repeats, but Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia has basically 10 Servants in total, 11 if we count Saber Alter).
It seems like in early FGO ranks where more a measure of the number they wanted to give a servant and part of the balance rather than a character representation, specially for the generic ones, as now the number assigned to skills are much more standard. Also about obscuring the bad parts of history it at least has a lore excuse that this are more the Heroes in human record more than the people they actually were. Which is more relevant to a figure that it's taught in passing as part of ancient history and the empires of old that people that are taught because of their bad actions like Ivan the Terrible or that is much more active in the collective consciousness like Columbus and oct 12th being a holiday.
You're forgetting a *lot* of context involving Alexander's appearance in Septem. He didn't go and meet Nero because he had nothing better to do or was just fanboying that hard but was ordered by Lev Lainur to go and kill her so that Lev the United Empire can destroy the era. Alexander not really caring for Lev off his first impression of wanting immense destruction goes to meet Nero and get his own opinion of the person he was ordered to kill, and testing if she really is worthy of being a ruler of Rome. So when Alexander lures Nero to his fort to talk to the woman, he asks her of why Nero isn't joining the United Empire to stop unnecessary death and casualties. Nero gets mad at him for calling that unnecessary, as she refuses to have her birthright as the Emperor of Rome be stripped by another, and thinks the United Empire's of ruling is too inhuman. As the people were said to be more like drones following their master rather than their own individual people. Which Nero notices due to none of them laughing and or smiling *(She says this in Part 13 of Septem)*, even it is a perfectly united and stout nation. Alexander even picked up on that as well, mentioning how the soldiers again, attack Nero like automated machinery rather than actual humans. He's not there to fanboy over Nero, even Iskandar in Extella said that he was surprised that who he thought to be a tyrant had any actual skill in combat. The point is to test Nero's resolve and light a fire inside of her so that she truly has enough to determination to go against the United Empire with the odds stacked against her and be a worthy ruler of the nation that truly fights for what they believe in. And again, Alexander doesn't like Lev and didn't want to cause deaths just for the sake of it. Along with Leonidas and Romulus within the same singularity. *And as for your points on Boudica's apperance:* You forgot that Septem's actual leader is Lev Lainur, one of Goetia's 72 Demon Gods planning to destroy human history. As Lev summoned Romulus to be one of his generals in his goal for death, that's confirmed in Part 7 of the second singularity. And Romulus himself of course didn't want to play in the destruction of his own nation let alone the world, but couldn't go against the power of Lev Lainur. So the logistics of the situation are that a giant murderous empire worse than Rome is trying to make a new version of Rome filled with superhuman soldiers like Julius Caesar and Leonidas. Winning against Rome already could be hard for Boudica but going against that same army on steroids would be impossible by herself. Plus, again Mashu and Romani told her that the United Empire is trying to ruin the destroy the era they live in and thus Britain. So Boudica joining Nero's fight is literally the best move she can make if she cares about the future of Britain. (Not to mention she said she *did* consider getting revenge at first but moved for the sake of the innocents who were being killed. Acknowledging that you can hate a nation without hating its people. And shows that she still doesn't like Nero and sees her as a tyrant, but again, stopping a planetary chronological death cult takes more priority)
I'm surprised you didn't give him an A. As for Fate keeping it's characters likable by hiding their dark deeds, they didn't hide Gilles de Rais' dark deeds at all.
Well Gilles infamy is the main reason he was able to be summoned as caster and the 3rd war Grail corruption. Without the corruption, the only available class for Gilles would be his Saber one
A better example is proving how they *didn't* hide Iskandar being capable of doing evil things, it's not what they focus on due to it not being the crux of Zero's themes. And even then they still bring Iskandar's capacity for darkness to light. As Iskandar quite literally says he doesn't regret his soldiers slaying his sons and his empire dissolving into three parts if came from Iskandar's own/his soldiers' decisions. And that an ideal king must embody the extremes of both good *and* evil. The entire memorable speech is literally Iskandar going against' Artoria's paragon virtues that most modern people can admire, and rebuking her for it. (Not to mention he literally calls himself a tyrant in that same episode)
😅 that’s probably because he’s not one of the good guys or because the writer of zero was actually willing to show the bad stuff the servants actually did. Sorry I’ve always had a problem with fate doing this ever since I found out what they did with Nero.
Always look forward to these Videos, great job. I'm always impressed by how much research you do for these Videos, clearly there is much effort put in them and I, for one, really appriciate your work. This is easily my favourite channel when it comes to learning new things from FGO's characters past.
I believe Alexander simply wanted to meet Nero since she was not a servant but the actual living emperor of the singularity, I think any emperor would want to see how the emperors of the future portray themselves in person Specially if it's a kid who is full of curiosity, and happens to be famous for his interest in studying under a renown philosopher. He is bound to be open minded, in order to see what kind of moral code someone like Nero has
AGRAVAIN IS NEXT BABY (note i know some bits about him not to much and i stopped during the camelot singularity for various reason so i vowed to not play ever again. I just like the character Agravain.) LET'S GOOOO MY BOY AGRAVAIN CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT P.S This video came around the same time as rustage's Alexander's rap i wanted to add that
22:29 I mean it is Babylon after all something bad was bound to happen over there just look at the review scores the christians made when they got there.
@@CrazyYurie yes that’s right thank you the jews review scores show that Babylon was not worth spending your money in like 1/5 will not come here again with a 10 foot pole.
What I don't like about Alexander is how he motivated so many people to pursue their mad dreams of conquest. I understand the desire for greatness, but it often is just a disguise for greed and vanity. We've had enough self-important conquerors and "men of Providence" in our history to keep believing this myth
I'm really curious for when it will be Nero's time, because septum I don't find it great even for the protagonist of the chapter itself (I would really like um rameke of septum giving more space to characters like Caesar, Romulus, Budica and so on, because the premise itself was very interesting in my opinion, the execution really sucked). Nero in EXTRA and CCC is a much more interesting character than he is now in FGO.
It works on both genders. canonically all the women in Fate are bisexual. Could it be that Alexander is the only guy character in Fate that is bisexual like his real life counterpart
I would like to point out that Diogenes response to Alex saying he would want to be Diogenes was "If I wasn't Diogenes, I would also like to be Diogenes" Diogenes was unfathomably based
I was definitely on Iskandar’s side during the banquet of kings, he’s a lot more charismatic and fun to watch (even if I do enjoy Gil as a character) Also, downplaying the nastier parts of a character’s history to make them more palatable? Isn’t Nero over there like the prime example of Fate doing exactly that with? Like they constantly either say that a lot of it was either exaggeration, or they try to push the blame onto Nero’s mother. Boy that’s gonna be a fun one to cover when you get there 🫤 And yeah, Septum is easily the worst chapter in before the lostbelts. Even the FGO manga covering Septum specifically couldn’t fix that dumpster fire 😓
Something you missed Iskander self recognition as a son of zeus is also the cause of his current physical appearence Its also the cause for his lightning abilities as you mentioned and this is actually another noble phantasm mentioned in his material profile In the lord ell melloi manga several images of a younger iskander before he turned fully into a son of zeus appear 1 of them even seems to be based on an actual drawing of alexander the third that you showed in the video
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I Would also add that, the way Fate treats Iskandar by showing more of his good side, is pretty similar how we treat his history as well, it's pretty common for people to remember his Victories and level headness for the time, forgetting he was often the agressor in those wars. His feats are still inspirational it is just good to keep those things in mind.
this is my favorite quote from Fate Iskandar "To win, but not destroy; to conquer, but not humiliate: That is what true conquest is!" that's basically who Alexander the Great is
About the dogs on the CE. Diogenes was the most famous member of the cynicism philosophy, and cynicism derives its name from the Greek for dog (from Wikipedia : The term cynic derives from Ancient Greek κυνικός (kynikos) 'dog-like' and κύων (kyôn) 'dog'). Dogs and the barrel are always associated with Diogenes. There’s also another Alexander and Diogenes story that goes like this: “Alexander the Great found the philosopher looking attentively at a pile of human bones. Diogenes explained, “I am searching for the bones of your father, but cannot distinguish them from those of a slave.””
Bucephalus being a NP for Kid Alex is also really neat since Bucephalus was Kid Alex's greatest feat. The Taming of Bucephalus was a notable achievement considering supposedly he was incredibly rowdy and unridable until Alexander managed to tame and ride him
Indeed. I didn't tell that full story, but it was very much what I was thinking of.
I always interpreted Alexander’s wanting to meet Nero in Septum less as “Nero Worship” more, she’s the current ruler of Rome in the proper timeline, and he wants to see if she has what it takes to correct things. Basically it didn’t matter that she was Nero Claudius, rather the “Proper Roman Emperor”
Perhaps, but Septem is still full of Nero simping.
@@CrazyYurie indeed
I would suggest to read the manga version of septem
As it dials down the nero simping to minimum and focuses on actual character and story
Its worth noting that historically speaking, Alexander the Great is depicted as being a slender man with black hair and heterochromatic eyes (two different colors). Obviously this depiction doesn't fit Fate's depiction, which Waver notes in Zero. These traits are instead given to Faker, who serves as his body double. Faker is entirely made up, being Hephestion's nameless sister.
I saw multiple competing depictions of Alex's physical description, which is why I fell back on talking about the statue of Alex made during his lifetime - something I could rely on more.
Also, wow, Agravain next. It's wild he has yet to get a playable appearance (if they never make him a Berserker I'll get Mad Enhancement myself).
Im really offended about that tbh
The main financial manager of the round table knights is not in the game.
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Actually he qualifies for the Assassin Class
@@dakotadoyle7573 He *might* qualify for Assassin. He doesn't *feel* like one in any of his appearances. You show me his fight vs Lancelot in the movie, and his Mad Enhancement Inducing NP, and I'll tell you that's the furthest away from Assassin possible.
If Gilgamesh didnt swear to only ever have one friend forever iskandar probably would've been his second he not only used enkidu on iskandar but summons ea and stabs him letting his blood touch the barrels of ea which is pretty telling how much he liked iskandar
Out of all the 100+ cities he conquered he named at least one of them after his horse
12:45 I wonder if Alexander and Iskander fanboyed over seeing the real Achilles in Chaldea.
Edit: I forgot about Alex's interlude :)
Pretty sure both have voice lines if you have Achilles in your account.
A moment that stuck with me was how in Fate/Zero, it's easy to just roll with Iskandar's enthusiasm and just nod along when he cheerfully talks about his grail wish, but then you stop and think about how that would realistically play out. He'd probably end up starting the Fate equivalent of WW3. Sure, he'd probably throw some fun parties and there would definitely be some people willing to fight for him but worldwide conquest is a lot larger scale these days, nukes exist now and people aren't as willing to glorify present day imperialism. Then there's the political mess of Alexander the Great walking into the Balkans before any of the conquering even starts and all the magi who try to destroy all threats to their secrecy. It gives the impression that the way Iskandar's charisma and force of personality obscures the darker aspects of conquest was likely at least somewhat intentional. He's good at PR. Most of it's probably because it'd get in the way of his narrative role, though.
The other thing that stuck with me is the fantastic way F/Z used him as a foil to Artoria for her character arc. A lot of people get upset about how he called her out at the banquet but her whole deal about trying to erase her legend was something she needed to let go of. It's just that F/Z is the tragic prequel to the story where she actually completes her arc and ends up in a better place. A king who unapologetically lives life to the fullest, accepts the good and the bad of this and earned many people's respect in doing so is an excellent foil to a version of king Arthur who lived apart from others to the point of alienating them, lost their trust and wants to completely unmake what happened because of it. One problem with the scene is that his army was in parade formation instead of the Macedonian phalanx, which was famously a big part of why his army was so successful.
I don't really find Alexander's death all that mysterious relative to other things we just don't have the information to be completely sure about. People love speculating about possible assassinations of famous people but what we know points to illness. The amount of time it took him to die makes poisoning unlikely and a number of common illnesses from the time can account for his symptoms. The main suggestions seem to be malaria and typhoid, but I came across an interesting theory about GBS. The bigger mystery is his tomb, which has never been found despite many people looking for it. Lots of wild theories around that.
When I was looking up restored colors for classical statues, I found one that was depicting Alexander in a red tunic and lion cap. It's from a tomb in the royal necropolis of Sidon. I also found that Iskandar is likely derived from parsing Alexander's name as Al-iskandar in arabic, due to al being a definite article that's used as a prefix.
The whole spreading Greek culture thing just reeks of European historians' fixation with painting Greece as the origin of civilization and tendency to downplay, erase or appropriate the contributions of other cultures. Greece wasn't the only culture Alexander paid attention to in his empire and a lot of what he did in that regard seemed to be to strengthen political relations and foster a shared identity to improve his empire's longevity. It facilitated cultural exchange within it as a whole, not just introducing everyone to Greece. It's like when they assumed any culture that wrote Greek texts spoke and was culturally Greek when trade languages don't really work that way.
I'd be curious if Yurie ever had a Hephastion follow up if only to talk about Waver Case Files and the post-Iksander effect on Waver himself; tho unless it was specifically elaborated in Fate/Zero's original Novels, I won't give Gen Urobuchi any more credit as anime-only doesnt really admonish Iksanders recklessness again having both Artoria and Gil dignity his power, if not outright idolize him through Waver's arc.
Of course maybe if they were more conscious of admonished Iksander they'd emphasize his post-conquest fallout and his entire lifes work empire completely imploding internally yadda yadda so yknow maybe Gen ate the propaganda more than refute it
Artoria in fate zero didn't want to erase her legend
She wanted to go back in time and redo it
Its only due to iskander's words that after the fight with lancelot she decided to erase her ever becoming king
@@Anonlyso Artoria never really warms up to Iskandar and Gilgamesh's respect for him isn't about morality. Gil's an egotistical jerk who doesn't care about that sort of thing. A bunch of characters get exasperated by Iskandar doing things they consider reckless like barging into a duel and revealing his identity. His unconventional way of doing things has its advantages, but it also gives his opponents more to plan against him, which is a disadvantage worth considering with his limited mana. Kirei was able to exploit Artoria's dislike of him to frame him for Iri's abduction, which cost him his chariot. He also used a lot of mana dealing with Assassin and the kraken with no quick way to replenish it. He didn't win the grail war, but he arguably spent his time better leaving a lasting impression on other characters and a heroic last stand against Gilgamesh is a decent consolation prize. It's not like getting the grail would've been useful in the state it was in anyway.
As for historical examples, Fate isn't really trying to educate people about history so much as telling stories that happen to involve legendary figures. They take a lot of liberties for the sake of the story or worldbuilding and you never really get detailed accounts of people's deeds even when they're villains that can be as terrible as they want. There's only so much room to tell the story, so they focus on the parts that are relevant to the plot or the character's abilities.
When you pay attention to Iskandar's character, it's pretty clear his morals aren't what people expect these days, even if he's nicer about it than Gilgamesh. They get along because they're both unapologetic about pursuing their desires and following through on their ideals. Iskandar has no qualms taking what he wants from others and doesn't object to being called greedy or a tyrant.
Waver's arc is about finding confidence in himself and he doesn't really have the time or disposition to debate morals and history with his Servant, if he even knows enough history to do so. He's also a magus, who aren't exactly known for being moral. The culture doesn't really leave a lot of room for morals, so even the nice ones generally do questionable things to some extent. I wouldn't really expect Waver to be put off by that sort of thing when he's surrounded by people like Kayneth.
What bothers me more is how much needs to be unpacked about magi, like the colonialist aspects of casually looting historical and cultural artifacts for personal gain and that magi are continuing slavery through homunculi. There's also the nihilistic aspects of the magic system and how it basically validates some of the terrible stuff magi do. Sakura's backstory also raises some concerns about the prevalence of SA among magi but the nasuverse seems to have been toning down that aspect of the writing.
Artoria brought up the collapse of his empire, when questioning Iskandar's problem with her wish and regrets over the fall of Camelot:
"Iskandar. Your reign ended with all your heirs slain, and your empire broken up by civil war. Do you mean to say, that you have no regrets about that end?"
"None at all. Not if it came to pass by my own decisions and the considerable sacrifices of my many retainers. Its destruction was inevitable. I shall mourn it. And shed tears over it. But I shall never regret it."
"But you-"
"Let alone undo it all! Such an act would be an insufferable insult to all those who fought and bled and died alongside me!"
Iskandar does care about what happened, but his philosophy is about living life to the fullest and accepting what happens, for better or worse. That's why his wish is to become reincarnated and pursue his conquest in the present, rather than undoing his death and the events that followed. He looks towards the future rather than dwelling in the past and the things that could've been.
On the IRL side of things, there isn't really anything Alexander could've done to prevent it. His death came at a bad time and he didn't have an heir ready to take the throne. Large empire with lots of politically ambitious people, succession crisis and rumors of assassination mean civil war while everyone interested in ruling fight over who gets to the top. Empires in general also aren't really sustainable. It's really more a matter of when they collapse than if.
In addition to the banquet itself, Iskandar also summarizes his views in his speech to his army, and his parting words to Artoria:
"Hear me! A king must live a grand life and embody his people's image of admiration! He who is worthy of all heroes' envy! And he who leads their way! That, is a king! Therefore, the king is not alone! For his will equals that of all who would follow him to his ultimate glory combined!"
"You may keep silent. Tonight was for a conversation amongst kings... but I no longer recognize you as a king, Saber. Little girl. You must wake from your sad dream and see the truth. If you don't, someday you'll lose even that modicum of pride you retain as a heroic spirit. The dream of a king you spoke of earlier is a curse and a burden which blinds and cripples you."
Iskandar isn't likeable because he's morally upstanding, he's likable because there are positive aspects to his philosophy of self-indulgence and leadership that are worth learning from and he's more personable than most of the other characters in the story. Don't go around conquering and stealing but let yourself have things and be a fully realized human being. Artoria didn't let herself really have a life, because she felt that being king meant sacrificing her humanity. It was a terrible way to live, took a toll on the people around her and led to the fall of her kingdom. She's not wrong to think that a king should serve their people but martyring herself wasn't a good way to do that.
Going through the banquet episode, I was reminded that Iskandar summons the Gordius Wheel by slashing the air, in reference to how he got it from cutting the gordian knot. Like how Medusa summons Pegasus by stabbing her neck because it was born from her blood after she was decapitated.
It slipped my mind to talk about design, so I guess I'll drop it here. There's a virgina sun on Alexander's chest. The fur trim on Iskandar's cloak is probably lion. Aside from the Heracles association, there's a mosaic depicting Alexander hunting a lion. Macedonia was one of the last parts of the European lion's range before they went extinct. Red is associated with Macedonia, which is presumably why it's such a big part of his design. The red hair and eyes also tie into his whole son of Zeus thing with how the nasuverse depicts demigods and people descended from magical beings. I like the golden accents in his design a lot better than how they went about gold with Gilgamesh.
@@taiga738 Certainly all ends up under creative licensees stretch to the end for Fate, but it still stands out, almost subversive that Urobuchi had ANY positive arc out of the Tragic Prequel:
Kayneth dies BECAUSE of his love even in cucking, Kariya's self-destruction amounts to very little and rubs in his face his love as impure etc (if I was really pushing it, Ryuunosuke going out with a smile is still way more satisfactory than everyone else "dying for nothing")
hell even just Kiritsugu's wild obsession with pragmatic heroism backfires as THE final theme and incites Fate's big incident etc..., beyond the obvious "x people have to live to start Fate/Stay Night and y can die freely", just ending with the would-be selfish villains "winning" as set-up...it actually kinda re-inforces Selfishness as virtue if only that of the 4 survivors, Kiritsugu is fucking miserable while Gil and Kirei are living it up and Waver, well he's the surprise survivor FOR carrying on Rider's will, when it could so very easily have been the exact thing that could've killed "any other foolish idealist" for extra easy tragedy that tips the Urobutcher's merciful hand
Whether it's "over-reading intent" that Rider's end leaves a dignified, if not outright positive effect in a sea of otherwise tragedy even for just Fate/Zero's story that "accepting one's selfishness as self-actualization" can be message contrast how every "self-less idealist" is so readily beat down, even just leading into the Fate/Route, that Waver lives long enough to straight up becoming El Melloi II and STILL draws motivation from Iksander just kinda exonerates and cements him as an overall positive figure pushing AGAINST Mage Society norms etc...
sure, Fate/Zero didn't need to be the "actually Alexander was a dumbass" show, but because all the philosophical opponents wound up suffering and dead pretty much makes Iksander right if not by default, than by future proxy of Waver's growth etc...
Actually now that I think of it, Gen pulls this AGAIN in Gaim: Anti-Hero (Baron) while antagonistic and power-hungry is charismatic with people enough to mentor ANOTHER guy (Zack), one Gen admitted had a million death flags, and instead is deeply inspired BECAUSE of Baron's complete selfishness and "lust for power" that it actually empowers HIM to become downright heroic.
Lesser extents with Psychopass and Thunderbolt Fantasy (Dad > Son sacrifice is traditionally noble, and the idealist kid more-or-less survives with only a couple scratchs)
It just funny to contrast all the mercy given to these bright-eyed hero kids...and still kill all the "badass women" on the side lol
Iskandar and Waver probably have one of my favourite servant/master dynamics in Fate
I do wish younger Alex looked more like Iskander, Iskander has very recognisable facial features where as Alex just kinda has a generic “cute anime boy” face, I think there was definitely a way to de-age him while still keeping a resemblance to his old facial features
I just learned about this from my Greek history class! Lol Diogenes has a strong connection to dogs because he was called Diogenes the Cynic. The term Cynic comes from the Greek word kynikos, which basically means dog or dog-like. At least from what my teacher said Diogenes was called the Cynic because he lives like an animal, but Diogenes just made it part of his brand cause he's cool like that.
Glory lies beyond the horizon! Challenge it because it is unobtainable, speak of conquest and demonstrate it, for the men watching behind me!
Someone may have pointed it already, but the dog in Alexander's bond CE is more a reference to Diogenes. He was the founder of the cynical ( not really in the sense we use in day-to-day talk) school of thought. Cynic come from dog in greek (Kynos), because they rejected some of society's rules and lived with, and like dogos on the streets. That is brought in the video on the anecdote of Alexander and Diogenes, where the later had no use for all of Alexander's riches and power, he just wanted to go back to enjoy the sun.
As for the diogenes thing: Diogenes was the greatest representative of the cynic school. Cynic came from the greek world for dog(wich yes, mean Genshin Impact has a character that is literally named "dog") because those philosophers rejected material goods, thinking only knowledge held any value. Diogenes took this to the extreme, to the point he was said to live like a dog, hence the school's name.
In fact, Alexander was testing his character there. He wanted to see if Diogenes would fell to the temptation if the King offered him anything he desired. Diogenes did not and this left Alex deeply impressed.
It is funny to me how Fate Iskandar and Gilgamesh have body builds swapped with their depictions in reality, Gilgamesh is meant to be the mountain of muscles and Iskandar the boy band reject!
Iskandar (Adult Alexandar) in Fate has a second Noble Phantasm named Via Expugnatio. It is a weaker Noble Phantasm at rank A+ compared to Ionioi Hetairoi which is at EX rank, and it has not been depicted much in fate media. It was used only once in Fate Zero, against Artoria, which allowed him to dodge Excalibur at point blank range, and is also depicted in Fate/EXTELLA Link as one of his stronger attacks. It is basically him trampling his enemies with the Gordius Wheel at extremely high speeds using the power of Zeus.
Spoiler:
In the Case File of Lord El Melloi, Ergo who was created through experimentation of Iskandar's body alongside Sun Wukong, Set and Oceanus (Basically Ergo is a super being who was created using Iskandar's corpse by three mage groups and has parts and powers of Sun Wukong, Set and Oceanus) inherits Via Expugnatio fron Iskandar as part of his powers, (The others being the Ruyi Jingu Bang from Sun Wukong and Per Djet from Set).
There was a story in there travel in the dessert where Alexander refused to drink water when his men gave a helmet full of it because he wanted that his men gets to drink from it first rather than giving it to there king
"Glory lies beyond the horizon."
I'm not gonna lie: Waver and Iskandar were the real protagonists of Fate/Zero for me. Part of that has to do with the fact that theirs is one of the few arcs that wraps up neatly when all's said and done.
F/Z being a prequel means a lot of its plot has to leave threads dangling so they can be tied off in Stay Night.
Tbh Nasu always want to disown this series so it was deemed as spinoff to Stay Night since years ago
Almost 40 mins... I shall require snacks, a drink and to watch the king's speech from Fate/Zero to inspire me. Also can we take about how busted his noble phantasm is? Summoning an entire army of heroic spirits, like hello? Assassin must have been like bro come on... I got like nine other me's, this ain't fair.
WE'RE GOING EAST WE'RE GOING EAST BOYS WE'RE GOING EAST
I wasn't aware that Iskandar's look as based on a statue by his personal sculptor. To think I've been laughing at those "Gil and Iskandar's design's were swtiched around" jokes for years
Alexander actually has another connection to Divine Bulls, specifically the Apis Bulls of Egypt. (I apologize if that's what you were talking about when you talked about the bull sacrifice near the beginning. It sounds like you're talking about Gordias secrificng Bulls, but it could be Alexander doing it)
10:31 That soldier on the front looks very similar to adult Waver (Lord El-Melloi II).
He is eumenes, Iskandar' s personel secretary and strageist . Iskander say wawer remind him eumenes and want them to meet
@@mehmetylmaz1831 Maybe a possible ancestor of Waver.
Diogenes was often derogatorily called a Dog, that's why the School of Philosophy that claims him as founder were called Cynics, from the Greek word for Dog. What the ancient Cynics were about doesn't correspond well to the most connotations of the word.
I think Iskandar's philosophy in the Grial Dialogue is basically Thomas Carlyle's Heroarchy, which I view as the common ancestor of Fascism and Nazism.
I think I've mentioned to you before how I do believe the Historical Nero was not nearly as pop as he's popularly portrayed. Now the RUclipsr Portable Orange has a two hour video on the topic.
Props on tackling another historical giant! Another great video from you! Can't wait for more next year!
He and Waver had a pretty cool dynamic.
Also, Alexander was so beloved by the Egyptians that they made him a Pharaoh. That’s yet another point into Divinity.
C is an unusually high rank for a normal human but I think it makes sense with him.
ISKANDAR THE KING OF BROS
I became a fan of him after Fate Zero(that was my entry on Fate Franchise). He's definitely the most carismatic of all the servants there. He can be both goofy and a serious leader. The "Banquet of Kings" scene where he scolds Arthuria was the proof that even with a most comedic tone, he also has great knowledge. And on battle he knows how to be a great leader.
MY KING, IVE COME TO SERVE
Wonderful video as always, Yurie!
Happy birthday aswell!
Thanks!
Thanks for this fantastic video in one of my favourite Servants in the entire franchise.
I can't add much except... Well, generic skills are to be expected when we're dealing with the second batch of 7 Servant ever made (well, more like 5, as 2 of them were repeats, but Stay Night and Hollow Ataraxia has basically 10 Servants in total, 11 if we count Saber Alter).
HEKTOR MENTION LETS GOOO
It seems like in early FGO ranks where more a measure of the number they wanted to give a servant and part of the balance rather than a character representation, specially for the generic ones, as now the number assigned to skills are much more standard.
Also about obscuring the bad parts of history it at least has a lore excuse that this are more the Heroes in human record more than the people they actually were. Which is more relevant to a figure that it's taught in passing as part of ancient history and the empires of old that people that are taught because of their bad actions like Ivan the Terrible or that is much more active in the collective consciousness like Columbus and oct 12th being a holiday.
You're forgetting a *lot* of context involving Alexander's appearance in Septem. He didn't go and meet Nero because he had nothing better to do or was just fanboying that hard but was ordered by Lev Lainur to go and kill her so that Lev the United Empire can destroy the era. Alexander not really caring for Lev off his first impression of wanting immense destruction goes to meet Nero and get his own opinion of the person he was ordered to kill, and testing if she really is worthy of being a ruler of Rome.
So when Alexander lures Nero to his fort to talk to the woman, he asks her of why Nero isn't joining the United Empire to stop unnecessary death and casualties. Nero gets mad at him for calling that unnecessary, as she refuses to have her birthright as the Emperor of Rome be stripped by another, and thinks the United Empire's of ruling is too inhuman. As the people were said to be more like drones following their master rather than their own individual people. Which Nero notices due to none of them laughing and or smiling *(She says this in Part 13 of Septem)*, even it is a perfectly united and stout nation. Alexander even picked up on that as well, mentioning how the soldiers again, attack Nero like automated machinery rather than actual humans. He's not there to fanboy over Nero, even Iskandar in Extella said that he was surprised that who he thought to be a tyrant had any actual skill in combat. The point is to test Nero's resolve and light a fire inside of her so that she truly has enough to determination to go against the United Empire with the odds stacked against her and be a worthy ruler of the nation that truly fights for what they believe in. And again, Alexander doesn't like Lev and didn't want to cause deaths just for the sake of it. Along with Leonidas and Romulus within the same singularity.
*And as for your points on Boudica's apperance:* You forgot that Septem's actual leader is Lev Lainur, one of Goetia's 72 Demon Gods planning to destroy human history. As Lev summoned Romulus to be one of his generals in his goal for death, that's confirmed in Part 7 of the second singularity. And Romulus himself of course didn't want to play in the destruction of his own nation let alone the world, but couldn't go against the power of Lev Lainur. So the logistics of the situation are that a giant murderous empire worse than Rome is trying to make a new version of Rome filled with superhuman soldiers like Julius Caesar and Leonidas. Winning against Rome already could be hard for Boudica but going against that same army on steroids would be impossible by herself. Plus, again Mashu and Romani told her that the United Empire is trying to ruin the destroy the era they live in and thus Britain. So Boudica joining Nero's fight is literally the best move she can make if she cares about the future of Britain. (Not to mention she said she *did* consider getting revenge at first but moved for the sake of the innocents who were being killed. Acknowledging that you can hate a nation without hating its people. And shows that she still doesn't like Nero and sees her as a tyrant, but again, stopping a planetary chronological death cult takes more priority)
I talk about that in the Boudica video.
@CrazyYurie Be specific in what you're referring to that in your comment
I'm surprised you didn't give him an A.
As for Fate keeping it's characters likable by hiding their dark deeds, they didn't hide Gilles de Rais' dark deeds at all.
Well Gilles infamy is the main reason he was able to be summoned as caster and the 3rd war Grail corruption.
Without the corruption, the only available class for Gilles would be his Saber one
A better example is proving how they *didn't* hide Iskandar being capable of doing evil things, it's not what they focus on due to it not being the crux of Zero's themes. And even then they still bring Iskandar's capacity for darkness to light. As Iskandar quite literally says he doesn't regret his soldiers slaying his sons and his empire dissolving into three parts if came from Iskandar's own/his soldiers' decisions. And that an ideal king must embody the extremes of both good *and* evil. The entire memorable speech is literally Iskandar going against' Artoria's paragon virtues that most modern people can admire, and rebuking her for it. (Not to mention he literally calls himself a tyrant in that same episode)
I don't play JP. In any case I tend to put more focus on their story appearances.
😅 that’s probably because he’s not one of the good guys or because the writer of zero was actually willing to show the bad stuff the servants actually did. Sorry I’ve always had a problem with fate doing this ever since I found out what they did with Nero.
@@Cozmotown I already explained how they didn't hide Iskandar's capacity for evil.
Olympus was a narcissist with an axe to grind against her husband.
Always look forward to these Videos, great job. I'm always impressed by how much research you do for these Videos, clearly there is much effort put in them and I, for one, really appriciate your work. This is easily my favourite channel when it comes to learning new things from FGO's characters past.
Thanks!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY YURI! 🥳 A funny little coincidence you did, you post the Iskandar video on on my sister's Bday and the Herc one the day before mine,
21:05 It's okay you did great man :D
I believe Alexander simply wanted to meet Nero since she was not a servant but the actual living emperor of the singularity, I think any emperor would want to see how the emperors of the future portray themselves in person
Specially if it's a kid who is full of curiosity, and happens to be famous for his interest in studying under a renown philosopher. He is bound to be open minded, in order to see what kind of moral code someone like Nero has
Awesome video!!
Now I can't wait to see the ptolemaious video
When you say a story of another day is much bitter than a story of another time
Hmm?
@CrazyYurie I mean in tv shows they say a story of another day how more comman multi episodes series
@@Sengoku814-friends I'm still confused.
@@CrazyYurie just in next time try to say (is story to another day)
Ah yes Alexander the pretty alright
Oh how my love for gacha and history coincide to show me stuff like this.
Hooray! :D
AGRAVAIN IS NEXT BABY (note i know some bits about him not to much and i stopped during the camelot singularity for various reason so i vowed to not play ever again. I just like the character Agravain.)
LET'S GOOOO
MY BOY AGRAVAIN
CAN'T WAIT FOR THAT
P.S This video came around the same time as rustage's Alexander's rap i wanted to add that
22:26 Eh... Why did you use Faker's design? You know there is canon design for Hephaestion even though its just a panel with no color, right?
I needed a Sprite.
Alexander the kinda alright
Can you please do a how accurate is fate Amakusa
At some point.
With Tsiah retired could you do a Fate/Question Answer live stream?
So he actually retired? I was wondering why I never see him upload anymore.
@@Animebryan2 check out the community page on his channel
What does that involve exactly? I've only seen a handful of the guy's videos.
Question, will you be doing Zeus in the future?
Looks like Agravain the Unwounded is next.
Zeus might be hard.
@@CrazyYurie
Understandable
Wonder if there are any servant that take an hour long of explanation lol
Gilgamesh
I wouldn't want to make a video quite that long. x_x
Would love a Ganesha video, lameley the conection to actual Ganesha is pretty low due to the pseudo servant thing
India scares me, but i'll have to get into it for OC1.
22:29 I mean it is Babylon after all something bad was bound to happen over there just look at the review scores the christians made when they got there.
You're thinking of the Jews.
@@CrazyYurie yes that’s right thank you the jews review scores show that Babylon was not worth spending your money in like 1/5 will not come here again with a 10 foot pole.
I guess you don't go over skill upgrades that are only out on jp. Cause Iskandar's first skill has an upgrade.
I don't play JP.
weird how you didn't use any clips of Alex from the goetia movie since he gets a few moments of high quality animation
I use two of them - including literally in the very first seconds of the video.
@@CrazyYurie ah shit, I'm not only blind, but also retarded
What I don't like about Alexander is how he motivated so many people to pursue their mad dreams of conquest. I understand the desire for greatness, but it often is just a disguise for greed and vanity. We've had enough self-important conquerors and "men of Providence" in our history to keep believing this myth
Yurie do you think Alexander The Great fits title of King of Conquerors? Because there are few people who conquered more than him like Chinggis Khan.
At the very least, he's a contender for it.
I'm really curious for when it will be Nero's time, because septum I don't find it great even for the protagonist of the chapter itself (I would really like um rameke of septum giving more space to characters like Caesar, Romulus, Budica and so on, because the premise itself was very interesting in my opinion, the execution really sucked). Nero in EXTRA and CCC is a much more interesting character than he is now in FGO.
It works on both genders. canonically all the women in Fate are bisexual. Could it be that Alexander is the only guy character in Fate that is bisexual like his real life counterpart
whyd you make an aghast face that alexandria has 6 million people whats up w that
That was the "shock" face... at least that's how I use it. :o
Can you do Gilgamesh
He's on the list.
But isn’t he unsunmonable?
But we know plenty to do an accuracy video. We even know what class he qualifies for
Indeed.
I would like to point out that Diogenes response to Alex saying he would want to be Diogenes was "If I wasn't Diogenes, I would also like to be Diogenes" Diogenes was unfathomably based
I was definitely on Iskandar’s side during the banquet of kings, he’s a lot more charismatic and fun to watch (even if I do enjoy Gil as a character)
Also, downplaying the nastier parts of a character’s history to make them more palatable? Isn’t Nero over there like the prime example of Fate doing exactly that with? Like they constantly either say that a lot of it was either exaggeration, or they try to push the blame onto Nero’s mother. Boy that’s gonna be a fun one to cover when you get there 🫤
And yeah, Septum is easily the worst chapter in before the lostbelts. Even the FGO manga covering Septum specifically couldn’t fix that dumpster fire 😓
Seeing Alexander's design and inclusion of the Illiad CE is actually what got me to play FGO 5 years ago 🫡 my King of Conquerors 🫡
Something you missed
Iskander self recognition as a son of zeus is also the cause of his current physical appearence
Its also the cause for his lightning abilities as you mentioned and this is actually another noble phantasm mentioned in his material profile
In the lord ell melloi manga several images of a younger iskander before he turned fully into a son of zeus appear
1 of them even seems to be based on an actual drawing of alexander the third that you showed in the video