Darktide Grimoires Overview | The Secret Hidden Health Effect of Grimoires

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  • Опубликовано: 2 фев 2025

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  • @Nugire
    @Nugire 2 года назад +69

    Grimores were made harder with the constant corruption tick, but less rewarding as in Vermintide.
    You get about 1/4 to maybe 1/3 of your mission reward on top. Just do 2 missions without secondary in and get more out of it in terms of progress, enjoyment and loot.

    • @VallornDeathblade
      @VallornDeathblade 2 года назад +1

      I loved running 3 tome 2 grimoire runs in Vermintide 1's Cataclysm, they were hard as nails but the reward was appropriately pretty good. I have 0 incentive to run either scriptures or grimoires in any difficulty mission in Darktide outside of maybe leveling up an alt character.

    • @talkingmudcrab718
      @talkingmudcrab718 2 года назад +2

      The only reason to do Grims obviously is for contracts. Also it can be somewhat useful for Zealots and their "Martyrdom" perk.. kinda enforcing that damage bonus. Especially if you take the perk where it gives 6 stacks of Martyrdom instead of 3.

  • @matchesburn
    @matchesburn 2 года назад +13

    ...So, let's review the problems with grimoires in this game:
    1.) Their spawns are random, and you can easily miss the last one.
    2.) Players already rush through a level and don't explore or loot *_FOR SOME MYSTICAL REASON_* like they have an explosive collar around their neck in real life that is counting down.
    3.) Players can pick up a grimoire, use it and destroy it.
    4.) If a player is downed and dies, the grimoire is lost forever - no picking it up like medkits or ammo crates when they're dropped by dead players.
    5.) You lose health to corruption immediately upon pick up, for your entire team, and continue losing it.
    ...So, either Fatshark needs to MASSIVELY boost the payout for grimoires because actually getting fellow players to not just ignore everything and rush to the end of the level is about as pointless as trying to herd cats, players that die with it lose the grimoire and it can't be picked up or replaced and you can easily miss it.
    And you get like, what, about ~2,400 or so ordo dockets for getting all of them? With that much frustration to deal with? It's not really worth it, and good luck getting randoms to even put up with you searching for them - they'll just throw a fit and kick you from the party because they want to speedrun levels like they only have 20 minutes left of life to live.

    • @rednova2212
      @rednova2212 Год назад

      The only /real/ reward for Grimoires are for Melk Contracts. But even then, you can trade out those ones for another mission that's easier to get.

    • @Yackattack22
      @Yackattack22 Год назад +1

      Does using up the grimoire even do anything? Why even have the option. It should just say destroy for an open sky if you give up

  • @somax2705
    @somax2705 2 года назад +55

    Grimoires are not necessarily located in different areas : we found two during one middle event area of the investigate the plague mission.

    • @somax2705
      @somax2705 2 года назад +3

      @@Gamermason To be honest, i was thinking the same before it happened (thankfully my friend is a lot more dedicated in searching every corner of the maps ^^)

  • @TheEldestSoulDrinker
    @TheEldestSoulDrinker Год назад +6

    I accidentally broke a grim once, didn’t know they could break

  • @isaaca9123
    @isaaca9123 2 года назад +8

    I didn't see it mentioned, but I might have missed it. Healing at a Medcae station will reset the corruption to a lower amount. Basically buying your more time.

  • @Wheelz567
    @Wheelz567 2 года назад +7

    A tip I keep telling my friends when doing Grim runs is to grab curios that increase "wounds". Each wound is a segmented portion of your health, with most classes starting with only 3 segments.
    If you have only one wound that is no corrupted, (all others being purple), then the next time you go down you will straight up die. And just like in Vtide2, if you die holding a grim, its gone forever.
    The more segments of health you have, or wounds, the more your health pool is divided and each one represents a smaller % of your HP. So with lots of these wounds, you'll need far more corruption to leave you with only 1 white segment.
    As a general rule, let the Ogryn grab one of the Grims, as by default I think he gets 5 wounds without a curio? He's also just got more survivability too. And stop letting the psyker take them too! They're far too squishy, you're bound to lose grims that way.

    • @alyssasowell774
      @alyssasowell774 2 года назад

      The corruption spreads to everyone so I don't think it matters who grabs one.

    • @Wheelz567
      @Wheelz567 2 года назад

      @@alyssasowell774 that's not what I mean: if someone dies holding it, the grim is gone forever. So it's best to give it to the class with the most health/wound count. And without curios, that's the Ogryn.
      Everyone is affected with corruption, but that corruption affects the survivability of each class differently. Vet and Psyker are often squishy, so without lvl 30 feats Ive found it best to give to ogryns and preacher since preacher can also survive a killing blow every 90 secs

    • @Wheelz567
      @Wheelz567 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason It would make sense. But what doesn't make sense is that you can't swap characters. I really don't like that feature currently as it stands due to that. Every time we load into a public match, and there's no Ogryn, or there's 2 Vets, or something that isn't really the best team composition, I just wish I could swap out for what we're missing.
      Vtide2 locked heroes, so no matter what this could never be an issue. So as much as I like the freedom of selection, the game really does kind of work best when you have 1 of each.

  • @Broly2012
    @Broly2012 2 года назад +5

    I had noticed something was up the last couple games we went for the grimoires but I couldnt figure out why it was so much harder and why I was losing wounds without being knocked down. Great vid, thanks so much

  • @IsonTin31
    @IsonTin31 2 года назад +2

    Once again! Another great video. :D

  • @sulphuric_glue4468
    @sulphuric_glue4468 2 года назад +11

    These grimoires are so frustrating compared to the ones in VT2, and give you so little benefit. I just avoid any missions with grimoires on now, even if it's on a level I really like.

  • @NomoregoodnamesD8
    @NomoregoodnamesD8 2 года назад +2

    it's most noticeable with scriptures on missions with 3 named sections before the ending, but the grim/scriptures are divided up into the different named locations in a level. Since there is one fewer grim, one of the sections won't have one. It's usually easier to find grims because they glow green and are usually placed in dark areas.

  • @Cssfallout
    @Cssfallout 2 года назад

    Hey mate, just played a game with you as the Ogryn Boggra. Hope the Scripture video turns out well! Gave a sub too.
    Handy tip: Grimoires also give off a green glow in the spot they are also making it a bit easier to find it in darker areas.

  • @rednova2212
    @rednova2212 Год назад +1

    Ok, let's get a few things straightened out. Grimoires corrupt health over time as well as when they're first picked up, making the game harder. They don't give extra rewards unless you count like... 2 K more ordo dockets as a reward (Which at this point is not even really much of a reward, you can just leave the grimoires and get 2x more missions done in the time you could get 1 done with a few grimoires and with less headache) and it doesn't increase your likelihood of getting a better Gift from the Emperor.
    Therefor, it's easy to conclude the only thing Grimoires (As well as Scriptures) are good for, and that is Sire Melk Contracts. And even then, you can use Ordo dockets to swap out that particular part for something that is not a grimoire or scripture, such as murdering types of enemies with ranged or melee, or simply completing a number of missions, or killing monstrosities (all of which happen naturally over the course of numerous missions)
    In Summation: Grimoires and Scriptures are a useless mechanic that Fatshark needs to either buff or get rid of, because it's currently not fun.

  • @calebkimmell1202
    @calebkimmell1202 2 года назад

    Great video, thanks!

  • @dannyavarice
    @dannyavarice 2 года назад +4

    Good eye. That's definitely a detail that is good to know. Eventually someone would have found out anyway, but the sooner we know these kinds of things, the better. Grims now slowly eat away the rest of your health? Yeah, it's time to leg it. lol Just don't panic or lose your edge when advancing through the level. You still obviously need to make sure you're not taking unnecessary hits along the way.

    • @JPooger
      @JPooger 2 года назад

      So they DO gradually take more hp....I thought I was crazy. Now I know I was right about it and the little red effect on the edges of my screen were indeed it siphoning my hp

  • @Falcon0BR
    @Falcon0BR 2 года назад +1

    Last time I checked the corruption tick was to the grimorie carrier only, not all team members!

  • @MetaphorUB
    @MetaphorUB 2 года назад +1

    Suggestion from me: this was awesome good video for explaining the effects of grimoires on gameplay. The only thing I noticed was a bit of a jarring ending. You told the big secret after some establishing groundwork, but then it felt like you were, “Okay, that’s the end of the video!” My thought is that a smoother transition into a slightly longer summary would have been better. You could reiterate your main points better and allow the video to wind down in its dénouement without having to do anything that bloats your total runtime.
    Anyway, that’s just a small suggestion that I hope helps you. The video was really good though.

    • @MetaphorUB
      @MetaphorUB 2 года назад

      Man did I not proof that comment lol.

  • @Mach-2-Fishbed
    @Mach-2-Fishbed 2 года назад +1

    I knew something seemed off/different when doing grimoire runs (always felt like I was missing more health over time than I should but couldn't figure out why) but I never noticed the grim slowly ticks away. Gives me more reason to keep curios that add wounds (don't find myself going down much, but the extra buffer will be nice knowing what grims do now).

  • @manicniceguy2341
    @manicniceguy2341 2 года назад

    I spent 8 hours playing this yesterday went from Veteran to a Psyker having more fun not running out of Amo.

  • @iModMyWorld4U
    @iModMyWorld4U Год назад +1

    Just came across this, if you refine ya curios and have mats you can choose @ rank 4 +20% corruption resistance (GRIMOIRES) so if ya doing a grim run then that’s a good option to help with hp limit.

    • @Gamermason
      @Gamermason  Год назад

      I haven't played Darktide in a while so it might be good to revisit it once again due to all the 'careers' coming out

  • @PatrickRatman
    @PatrickRatman 2 года назад +1

    lol luckily grims are almost entirely useless so generally i just threaten to let someone die if they pick up a grim. generally speaking the risk of completely failing a mission is not justified by the negligible amount of XP and money the grim side objective gives, and generally speaking i refuse to hold on to the "pick up 15 grimoires/scriptures" contracts and reroll them every time.

    • @Shocknfunk
      @Shocknfunk 2 года назад

      Scriptures are fine, they need to rework grim rewards like guaranteed weapon/cosmetic

  • @talkingmudcrab718
    @talkingmudcrab718 2 года назад

    I don't know about Grimoires but for scriptures I have found 2 in one section before. It's rare but it happens. In one case we found all 3 in a single location unseparated by airlocks or drop downs.

  • @nikajo__8755
    @nikajo__8755 2 года назад

    Hadn’t noticed that about the health tick, will pass that on. Thanks!

  • @hridaytrivedi8132
    @hridaytrivedi8132 2 года назад

    Hello after taking grimores in hand pressing left key burn the grimores does it affect anything?

  • @scotth6797
    @scotth6797 2 года назад

    yeah, noticed that pretty quick when playing, it wasnt quite like the grimoires from VT2

  • @NKGerydos
    @NKGerydos 2 года назад +1

    O yeah, I'll never remember the run when i had 8HP at the end of the mission due to that my team mates did not understand that the grimo is ticking corruption. -.-"
    The boss was fun, and we killed it. But we needed the Emperor's might that is for sure.... 😀

  • @Spitz643
    @Spitz643 2 года назад

    Not sure if its intentional but corruption from grims also seems to be a set number for each class. I've increased my health as ogryn with all curios with no corruption dampners and I'm barely corrupted with both grims at the same time

    • @Spitz643
      @Spitz643 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason i thought so, thanks for the reply because i wasn't 100 percent sure. With both health and corruption resistance I'm sure the problems will be minimal

  • @lizzz3ard
    @lizzz3ard 2 года назад +2

    So i will take it your not collecting trinkets for different Missions? you get 3 spots for them and they come with corruption resistance how much of it you need to combat the effect is the next step to work out

  • @DominiqEffect
    @DominiqEffect 2 года назад

    Thx - good tip - I was wrongly assuming it works the same as in Vermintide 2

  • @Arzual
    @Arzual 2 года назад +1

    Its not 25% max health per grim. That would've been smart. Our psyker loses a third of his max health with just one grim while I as an ogryn barely notice it with ~485 health. So I assume its just flat 50 Health lost.

    • @Arzual
      @Arzual 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason Its even worse, if the two grims are in the first half of the map, the psyker reaches just 1HP left real quick and is near death almost all the time.
      And even then if you run corruption ressistance grims on a psyker, lets say you even stack it two times max roll 15%, so 30%, it only reduces the flat dmg lost by 30 health from two grims, meaning from the 150 you start with you still lose almost half by default. And after 13 minutes, considering you haven't taken corrupted damage by other sources, you're back at 1HP again.
      Its a realy stupid design decision.

    • @Arzual
      @Arzual 2 года назад

      I just realised that it even gets more stupid.
      You can choose to have for example 15% corropted grim resistance as a perk and / or 5% health (competing with also up to 30% toughness resistance)
      This means that 15% grim res gives you as a psyker 7.5 more health i.e. you lose 7.5 health less, while 5% health gives you 7.5 more health which is the same and overall more usefull.

  • @robertschaffer596
    @robertschaffer596 2 года назад

    i'm actually certain that the constant HP loss is just a bug. I observed this to be a thing even without any grimoar equipped by neither team member.

    • @robertschaffer596
      @robertschaffer596 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason Yes i mean that nobody on the team has any grim in the pocket (Number3 on hotbar where the grim gets stored and where also the medpacks and ammo crates are)

  • @whatisgoingoninmiami
    @whatisgoingoninmiami 2 года назад

    Man says “Grim-mmwhaa”

  • @ShadeScarecrow
    @ShadeScarecrow 2 года назад

    Absolutely hate the constant corruption ticking. I don´t see why they need this mechanic to hurry you along, as if a flat reduction of your max health isnt enough. And the reward seems hardly worth the effort and risk.

  • @BlueBD
    @BlueBD 2 года назад

    I have to verify, But I think it not 25% of max health but based on your wounds.
    My psycher had +2 wounds and 1 grim only diminished the first wound bar.

  • @JaredJuetten
    @JaredJuetten 2 года назад

    If you are downed with them you also lose the grimoire...

  • @T0nneau
    @T0nneau 2 года назад

    Hi, can you d oa video on impact % and was is unstopable vs cannot be stunned (see preacher)

  • @svartursteinn
    @svartursteinn 2 года назад

    Good news for the Zealot Preacher at the time of writing this and last I was aware;
    Holding the grimoires will in fact work with your perk Martyrdom. Planning ahead on a mission to allow 6 stacks will enable you to have +30 damage at all times while holding the grimoires.
    This is amazing news for you Combat blade lovers as +30 damage translates into an enormous boost to weak spot and critical hits due to the weapon's traits multiplicative damage allowing you to one-shot most elites with the blade, even without using your special.

    • @HoneyBadgerVideos
      @HoneyBadgerVideos 2 года назад

      It's 5%. Its a typo

    • @Xandros999
      @Xandros999 2 года назад

      Losing 90% of your health doesn't seem like a great tactic.

    • @svartursteinn
      @svartursteinn 2 года назад

      @@Xandros999 with one hp bonus item and holding 2 books the 50% loss it forces enables the buff

    • @Xandros999
      @Xandros999 2 года назад

      @@svartursteinn I'll take your word for it, but I don't really understand how that adds up.

  • @jasoncreamer5747
    @jasoncreamer5747 2 года назад

    Does the your chance for a rare item reward go up while holding two Grimoires? I did get one of my best weapons while completing a mission with both, maybe just a coincidence though.

  • @Pandaman94
    @Pandaman94 2 года назад

    Introduced in dakrtide? They are in vermintide 1 and 2. Anyone who came from those games knows instantly about their effects.

    • @Pandaman94
      @Pandaman94 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason they were INTRODUCED in them and lowered health. Worrying about health being lost over time is for normies and False followers of the God Emperor of Mankind. Incorrect Lore is Equalivent to Heresy. The Inquisition shall hear of this.

  • @tentinquarentino.3076
    @tentinquarentino.3076 2 года назад

    Thank you

  • @mkaleborn
    @mkaleborn 2 года назад

    Just did my first mission with this as a secondary task. I spent most of the mission with 90% corruption. I was downed constantly, had to be rescued 2 or 3x. I literally could do nothing. Terrible, terrible mechanic for lousy rewards. Will never pick a mission with this again until it's changed.

  • @hernaldo14
    @hernaldo14 2 года назад

    but what happens if you use it? my mate picked one up and said he used it and had a animation then it disappeared

  • @causticenforcer8792
    @causticenforcer8792 2 года назад

    I wouldn’t suggest goin for grimoires in heresy or higher, it’s fucking helllll

  • @ian_imperial
    @ian_imperial 2 года назад

    What are the effects of consuming one grimoire? I did it playing, but I didn't see any changes.

  • @MyViolador
    @MyViolador 2 года назад

    Ogryns with 3 20% extra hp and 15% corruption resistance curios. Hehehe it tickles

  • @darthimperius2865
    @darthimperius2865 2 года назад

    Game should reward you for tagging elites etc because nobody bothers to do it it's so annoying or let one person tag more than 1

    • @darthimperius2865
      @darthimperius2865 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason lower difficulty it's ok but heresy and damnation it's a priority you would think people playing at that difficulty would understand

  • @Xandros999
    @Xandros999 2 года назад

    Risk vs reward eh? What's the reward again?

    • @Xandros999
      @Xandros999 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason Oh boy, I gotta get me some grimoires.

  • @TheSegert
    @TheSegert 2 года назад

    I dont think this is true. we have have one or 2 crimiores. and when we medicae. All health instantly ticks down again to 30 percent or so.

    • @TheSegert
      @TheSegert 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason Could be one of the many bugs in the game to be fair. I have encountered it a few times. I always tought the damage from crimiores in this game are random because of that.
      I lvl 30 guy said. That it was weird it happened. So maybe it is a bug.
      I was talking about the bit where you said a only a certain percentage would get recorrupted after a med station. But a few times now. When using a med station. All of the previous corruption you got over time got back. I remember doing a last part of the mission with everyone having almost 15 percent health left.

  • @lazaroskesidis6594
    @lazaroskesidis6594 2 года назад

    it seems like when u take damage while corrupted, the corruption grows. In 1:55 you can see how the bomber takes away health and applies corruption. The question here is if it only applies to specialists or can any enemy add corruption? Do you know anything about that MrMason?

    • @lazaroskesidis6594
      @lazaroskesidis6594 2 года назад

      @@Gamermason This helps a lot, thank you. I was unsure about the infected but its all clear now.
      Yes, ive watched the video, cant wait for more darktide content.

  • @templargfx
    @templargfx 2 года назад +1

    I wouldn't call that a secret :P
    Remember you only need to be holding onto it at the end of the mission. If your about to fight somewhere for a while and there is an ammo crate/med kit put the grimoire down until the encounter is over and your going to move on so you don't increase the corruption everyone has during that encounter. This will also allow everyone to heal up to max if theres a station there

    • @NeFjuS
      @NeFjuS 2 года назад +1

      You cannot put down a grimoires, it is bound to you and you lose it when you die. But yeah if you see a grimoire do not pick it up right away when you know a fight is coming up. Pick it up after it.

  • @Jyeoi
    @Jyeoi 2 года назад

    Guess u never played vermintide

  • @dearcastiel4667
    @dearcastiel4667 2 года назад

    Really don't care about tomes and grimoires in this game, since they don't get you any better loot at the end it's far better to just finish the mission easily than failing for a few thousand coins more.
    In general, the loot/gear system of this game is deplorable compared to Vermintide 2 (and even Vermintide 1). No point in killing bosses or daemon hosts, very little reward for getting grims and tomes, RNG loot every 1h (in VT a mission takes 15-20 min and you get loot at the end, in Darktide if there's nothing you want to buy you have to wait 1h for another chance of buying something...), underwhelming free cosmetics.
    Saying this game is a disapointment is an understatement, it doesn't event get right 50% of what VT2 proposes...

  • @jakebui7293
    @jakebui7293 2 года назад

    Wooooooo books

  • @lazarious5424
    @lazarious5424 2 года назад +1

    That's not a secret lol 😂

    • @lazarious5424
      @lazarious5424 2 года назад

      @gamermasons8509 nah I get it most people wouldn't pay attention to this debuff so it's good the more people that know tbh I think the effect is to harsh for the reward

  • @aliceleblanc7713
    @aliceleblanc7713 2 года назад

    Not a secret, you learn this after getting your first grim.