I like that you seem to be working with Possible History by talking about one of their videos. I hope to see many great videos to come, and hope to see more off of this series.
yeah, I would definitely watch this series AFTER project Stresa. I am loving your scenarios, they are very well made and I want to see a end to them first before starting another.
4:47 I shit you not, I asked that exact question only a few seconds before you answered it. You know exactly what you're doing and I love it. Fantastic work as always
I could see France being more hesitant to sell land to the Americans, though at the same time they might also want to sell because y'know they can't really control it. Either way manifest destiny would be interesting as if America declares war on the exile France, the Exiles couldn't do much. Cause if they take away their garrisons they kinda collapse and manpower would be a constant headache.
Wooow it’s such a unique alternate history scenario 🤩 As a Spaniard I would love to see you deep down on the America consequences because in our history, when the bourbons ascended to the throne that meant that the viceroyalties, that where once considered equal territories of the Spanish realm, passed to be administrated more like a colony way. So in this alternate scenario where France just sweeps over and annexes all of Spain probably neither the Spaniards or the Spanish Americans would be happy and probably the Americas would have a war of independence earlier than the United States or even at the same time. That would have a kinda Cold War vibe between Europe and America or maybe the French and the English team up _against_ the revolutionaries. Making the USA and the Spanish American get their independence later, probably at this moment of the French Revolution and Napoleon rising.
I would love to see this series with Napoleon Dominates Europe. France and Spain were going through a revolution, and it would be possible for Napoleon to try to do some reforms to fix the problems that the Boburns missed. Napoleon may have been a brilliant strategist and competent war general, but he had excellent administration skills. His political ingenuity helped France from the brink of collapse into a modern country and brought laws and reforms that increased the standard of living. He also improved with Elba Island during his exile through domestic developments and to other countries like Germany and Switzerland. Napoleon should have put people in charge instead of his family members, for most of his family members had different capabilities than Napoleon. He placed people like his marshalls or political advisors with experience in politics to run each continent the French Empire had as provinces, and not mention he should allow people to elect their own representatives that way; most of the people who lived in the French Empire wouldn't have to revolt against the French. Anyway, I can't wait to see more of Project Bourbon. Keep up the great work, and enjoy a Happy Thanksgiving with your family, Mr. LoreDad!
One problem is you kinda brush over the whole like few years of the revolution where the monarchy was kept around they wouldn’t just instantly become republican
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I think you have America and the British empire both intervene in Latin America. The British to take Caribbean possession (and due to a weaker imperial hold in parliament perhaps an even earlier freeing of the slaves in the empire) while America will see this as a way to gain Louisiana and Canada. I see this as most likely drawing the two Anglo nation much closer to each other then own our timeline as all the loyalist will for the most part still be in the USA with once the USA annex Louisiana and what is nowaday eastern Canada absorbing any loyalist population that had fled from America post independence.
Just an idea: since bavaria already has claimed the austrian throne why don’t they also gain some pan-germanic ideals? it would be interesting to see a bavarian unification of germany with austrian lands included.
One thing to keep in mind is the Spanish Colonies were all designed to be dependent on Spain and weren't self-sufficient and self-governing like the US, this being the major Reason why the Spanish colonies are so poor in comparison to the US, because they never had the right institutions for that and all their infrastructure was oriented towards religious conversion and resource extraction. Additionally the colonies were never connected, made to be more dependent on Spain rather than themselves and each other. Because of this, I can see their Empire falling apart, and as this happens, I can see the US invading for a number for reasons. 1, They probably don't want to share a border with such a large empire, let alone one that is a absolute Monarchy, 2, They may see Allies in The Republic of Iberia and France, 3, They may seek to Liberate their Anglic brethen in Canada, and 4, Manifest Destiny, which I don't need to explain. I'd Imagine the Bourbons would hold onto Mexico and Central America at most. Though one Major Criticism I have for this timeline is that I don't know if The US would even declare Independence with such a powerful state on their border, it may be more likely they put up with the taxes and other issues because they fear the French more.
Thanks for the comment! All of these are good insights and are definitely factoring into the “canon” outcome. And that is good feedback regarding the USA’s independence. I probably should have made clear that the French control over New France was pretty limited
I just want to say, keep in mind that it is very likely that Hungary is ruled by the same King as Bavaria since the crown of Hungary was offered to the previous king at the ending years of the war of spanish succession and he only refused it because it looked like a lost cause, in this universe he would have very likely taken it since Hungarian independence was pretty much guaranteed
Anti royalist sentiment from my understanding was strongest in South America, as a result I believe we would still have independence revolutions break out there but how much of the colonial Empire is actually lost is up in the air. In my personal view the revolutionaries would be able to take as far north as Southern Mexico before being bogged down by issues of logistics, and problems fighting past the Mexican Mountain Ranges. The Franco-Spanish Colonial Empire I believe will also probably try and sell several minor to moderate concessions in Canada and the Caribbean to the USA and British in effort to minimize overstretching fighting revolutions like in Haiti, as well as gather important funds for war efforts against the encroachment of South America. Trade concessions might also be made in order to secure loans or other assistance particularly with the relatively Bourbon friendly USA.
I'd say that if France is at peace for a bit, they'd try to support their colonial empire's independence wars, guerrilas there were quite common, especially in Mexico, I think that Louisiana and New France could easily revolt as well. As Napoleon once said in reference to the Mexican war for independence and one of its leaders, José Maria Morelos y Pavón. "Give me two Morelos and I'll conquer the world."
They would have more legitimacy than a viceroy, which means that they would be able to keep control of whatever viceroyalty they settle in. But they are very likely to have a weak fleet, so they won't be able to reinforce their loyalists in the territories that go independent, or fight US encroachment. They'll probably be more successful recognizing hard to defend borders than Latin American rulers were, so they'll probably cede some territory to other nations to have easier to defend borders and avoid losing too much territory later on. It would take longer to abolish slavery, so any US settlers in that empire would be less likely to start a rebellion.
Unfortunately no, I have some things to deal with this week so this is the only video this week. Positive side is that stresa 10 is looking like it would be around 15min long
I want to see a Napoleonic sweep where something equivalent to the EU is founded in the 1800s. I also want to see how liberalism and left-wing ideologies develop in a world without the Congress of Vienna, which martyred Napoleonic France and future progressive revolutions as victims of reactionary monarchies. The question of nationalism and its future is something that will either make or break this EU. If Pan-Western European and Pan-Germanic nationalism are properly integrated in the founding myth of this continental Europe, this Europa United will have no significant opponents internationally. Speaking of Code Geass references through "Europa United" (Which is actually "Europia" for some reason.), the bourbons may create their own equivalent of the Holy Britannian Empire. Truly, one cannot have greatness in alternate history (The EU) without having a counterweight on progress (The monarchs rebuilding in exile) if this path is taken. Well, it's not like OTL America was particularly liberal either way for a majority of its history.
I want this to continue. South America would break away, but México and North America (as well as the Caribbean, the Philippines, and the Pacific territories) would remain under Bourbon control.
I really really really prefer this timeline over Project Stresa. This seems more interesting for sure. I don't know if you can keep uploading both scenarios, or you will start this scenario after Project Stresa, but I want to see more of Project Bourbon ASAP! Cheers!
Maybe release a SparkNotes script for what happens, or a few paths, for Stresa, and expand upon this scenario through videos. I don't know if Stresa is already fully public in text form, so what I said may be pointless.
French Republic to Western Roman (latin) empire speed run. If it becomes a republic of the people, it would transform into a modern and titular Roman Empire, especially with the occupation of rome, dissolution of the HRE, and inclusion of the Latin peoples in Iberia and Italy.
That's a modern flag of hungary. The hungarian tricolor flag was inspired by the italian tricolor which was created by napoleon and was inspired by the french revolutionary flag
I think that when the monarchy falls in Spain we would see similar revolutions happeing in Latin Ameica, most of them will still pay lip service to the new Spanish republic but they will be the seed from where the new republics will be born, the royal family will flee to Mexico, as it was the richest area of the Empire and its people were really conservative, with the Monarchy there the division between criollos and peninsulares will dissapear as they need the support of the criollos and Spain is now an hostile nation. That and the fact that, like in our timeline happened with the 1812 Cadiz constitution, will make the status of every citizen in the Spanish Empire equal, the war will be a fight between liberalism and the old regime rather than a war between the Spanish elites and the local elites like in our timeline, with the exiled monarchy having both New Spain and Peru as strongholds while the liberal regime, either sister republics to the Spanish one or loyalist to the Madrid goverment will launch rebellions fromNew Grenada and La Plata. Also aomething really important is the fate of the fleet, if the European goverment manages to keep it they will reinforce the local rebellions and attempt to conquer New Spain to end the monarchy and reunite the Empire, if that is the case the liberals there will be lean to be loyalist to Spain as the idea of shared identity will take hold, if the fleet goes with the king the liberals in Latin America will be cut out from the mainland, making the ideas of independence grow, as their success will prove that they dont need Spain to protect them as well as create new national identities, something similar to what happened im Argentina when the British invaded.
“I will make a timeline where Germany wins WWII, to do so I will let the Germans win the battle of Strasburg in 357AD.” The further your point of divergence is, the less realistic your scenario is.
The united states would still have a giant populatuon compared to feench colonies so they would probsbly send settelers there like they did with texas and california
Prussia is more Polish than German that must be acknowledged. In our history there was a Prussian plan to place powerful magnate as new Polish King tie him in marriage with Prussian Princess gaining ally it was before the Vienna (when Poland was still partitioned)
I find the seven years war extremely unrealistic. France had no way to defend it, and the lands were underpopulated. The United colonies would not rebel, as they wouldn't have a reason to. They can't expand into the west because it's controlled by France. Even if they did France would 100% not support them. Because the entire idea was to expand westward, aka, taking french lands
This is good feedback, and thanks for sharing It could be that in the full series, I have the outcome of the 7 years war in North America change. However, I figured that because France now had the entirety of Spain and it’s navy it would impact the war so I may not change it. I don’t think any European power could have expected the raw power of the United States. They would support them with the idea that they would become a client state. That would quickly be thrown in their face though. Thanks for the feedback, hope you have a good day
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I think the Americans would intervene in the Latin American wars of independence because in our timeline they wanted Louisiana territory from France.
They wanted new orleanes and got offered the rest for 50% more then just new orleanes
True they werent France ally
Didn’t expect a new series! I’m excited for more episodes
I like that you seem to be working with Possible History by talking about one of their videos. I hope to see many great videos to come, and hope to see more off of this series.
2:54 someone that knows that Milan existed under Spanish rule incredible.
yeah, I would definitely watch this series AFTER project Stresa. I am loving your scenarios, they are very well made and I want to see a end to them first before starting another.
The premise sounds super cool, I'd love to watch this alternate timeline unfold after Project Stresa!
this channel is so underrated i always wondered how it would be if napoleon won, you deserve a new sub!
4:47
I shit you not, I asked that exact question only a few seconds before you answered it. You know exactly what you're doing and I love it. Fantastic work as always
I could see France being more hesitant to sell land to the Americans, though at the same time they might also want to sell because y'know they can't really control it. Either way manifest destiny would be interesting as if America declares war on the exile France, the Exiles couldn't do much. Cause if they take away their garrisons they kinda collapse and manpower would be a constant headache.
yes more videos from project Burbon
Wooow it’s such a unique alternate history scenario 🤩
As a Spaniard I would love to see you deep down on the America consequences because in our history, when the bourbons ascended to the throne that meant that the viceroyalties, that where once considered equal territories of the Spanish realm, passed to be administrated more like a colony way.
So in this alternate scenario where France just sweeps over and annexes all of Spain probably neither the Spaniards or the Spanish Americans would be happy and probably the Americas would have a war of independence earlier than the United States or even at the same time.
That would have a kinda Cold War vibe between Europe and America or maybe the French and the English team up _against_ the revolutionaries. Making the USA and the Spanish American get their independence later, probably at this moment of the French Revolution and Napoleon rising.
Thanks for your comment! Yeah I like how different this makes everything all of a sudden. I’m excited to work on this again, hopefully soon!
this series is gonna be good, keep up the good work dad
Fantastic video. Love your Projects
I would love to see this series with Napoleon Dominates Europe. France and Spain were going through a revolution, and it would be possible for Napoleon to try to do some reforms to fix the problems that the Boburns missed. Napoleon may have been a brilliant strategist and competent war general, but he had excellent administration skills. His political ingenuity helped France from the brink of collapse into a modern country and brought laws and reforms that increased the standard of living. He also improved with Elba Island during his exile through domestic developments and to other countries like Germany and Switzerland. Napoleon should have put people in charge instead of his family members, for most of his family members had different capabilities than Napoleon. He placed people like his marshalls or political advisors with experience in politics to run each continent the French Empire had as provinces, and not mention he should allow people to elect their own representatives that way; most of the people who lived in the French Empire wouldn't have to revolt against the French. Anyway, I can't wait to see more of Project Bourbon. Keep up the great work, and enjoy a Happy Thanksgiving with your family, Mr. LoreDad!
okay hear me out:
Monarchist Bourbon American Empire
So Britannia from Code Geass.
I would like to see this series countinue
What a surprise. The DeviantArtist Mobiyuz partly described this scenario.
Definitely continue this! It's a really cool concept, and your videos are really quite good. Keep up the amazing work!
This is a really interesting topic, I would love to see a series about this
stresa ep 10 when? idk if its good to make more projects when you're already busy w one
Why wouldn't the Bourbons flee to Naples?
One problem is you kinda brush over the whole like few years of the revolution where the monarchy was kept around they wouldn’t just instantly become republican
Well, this is just a preview
The revolution wouldnt happen in this timeline tbh
I would like to see a continuation of this series.
Amazing video as always
HERE WE GO AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CAN'T WAIT TO SEE MORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Time to replicate this in AOH2 do to my increasing lack of creativity
OOOOO,This is going to be interesting
Project Stressa Will Continue, Right?
I would love to see this side by side with stresa, it looks like a good series
Love the idea
I think you have America and the British empire both intervene in Latin America. The British to take Caribbean possession (and due to a weaker imperial hold in parliament perhaps an even earlier freeing of the slaves in the empire) while America will see this as a way to gain Louisiana and Canada.
I see this as most likely drawing the two Anglo nation much closer to each other then own our timeline as all the loyalist will for the most part still be in the USA with once the USA annex Louisiana and what is nowaday eastern Canada absorbing any loyalist population that had fled from America post independence.
Just an idea: since bavaria already has claimed the austrian throne why don’t they also gain some pan-germanic ideals? it would be interesting to see a bavarian unification of germany with austrian lands included.
"Woah..
That's a big Empire..."
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One thing to keep in mind is the Spanish Colonies were all designed to be dependent on Spain and weren't self-sufficient and self-governing like the US, this being the major Reason why the Spanish colonies are so poor in comparison to the US, because they never had the right institutions for that and all their infrastructure was oriented towards religious conversion and resource extraction. Additionally the colonies were never connected, made to be more dependent on Spain rather than themselves and each other. Because of this, I can see their Empire falling apart, and as this happens, I can see the US invading for a number for reasons. 1, They probably don't want to share a border with such a large empire, let alone one that is a absolute Monarchy, 2, They may see Allies in The Republic of Iberia and France, 3, They may seek to Liberate their Anglic brethen in Canada, and 4, Manifest Destiny, which I don't need to explain. I'd Imagine the Bourbons would hold onto Mexico and Central America at most.
Though one Major Criticism I have for this timeline is that I don't know if The US would even declare Independence with such a powerful state on their border, it may be more likely they put up with the taxes and other issues because they fear the French more.
Thanks for the comment! All of these are good insights and are definitely factoring into the “canon” outcome.
And that is good feedback regarding the USA’s independence. I probably should have made clear that the French control over New France was pretty limited
This is exciting! Also good timing because I'm going to see the film tomorrow lol
I just want to say, keep in mind that it is very likely that Hungary is ruled by the same King as Bavaria since the crown of Hungary was offered to the previous king at the ending years of the war of spanish succession and he only refused it because it looked like a lost cause, in this universe he would have very likely taken it since Hungarian independence was pretty much guaranteed
Ok I wouldn’t mind seeing how this would play out once your stresa series is finished
Now you need to do a Portuguese edition of this (:
Concordo
dew it we all hungry for more projects
Anti royalist sentiment from my understanding was strongest in South America, as a result I believe we would still have independence revolutions break out there but how much of the colonial Empire is actually lost is up in the air. In my personal view the revolutionaries would be able to take as far north as Southern Mexico before being bogged down by issues of logistics, and problems fighting past the Mexican Mountain Ranges.
The Franco-Spanish Colonial Empire I believe will also probably try and sell several minor to moderate concessions in Canada and the Caribbean to the USA and British in effort to minimize overstretching fighting revolutions like in Haiti, as well as gather important funds for war efforts against the encroachment of South America. Trade concessions might also be made in order to secure loans or other assistance particularly with the relatively Bourbon friendly USA.
Thanks for your comment, really good suggestions!
I'd say that if France is at peace for a bit, they'd try to support their colonial empire's independence wars, guerrilas there were quite common, especially in Mexico, I think that Louisiana and New France could easily revolt as well. As Napoleon once said in reference to the Mexican war for independence and one of its leaders, José Maria Morelos y Pavón. "Give me two Morelos and I'll conquer the world."
Very nice video! I think you should look more into it
Continue it I would love it
They would have more legitimacy than a viceroy, which means that they would be able to keep control of whatever viceroyalty they settle in. But they are very likely to have a weak fleet, so they won't be able to reinforce their loyalists in the territories that go independent, or fight US encroachment. They'll probably be more successful recognizing hard to defend borders than Latin American rulers were, so they'll probably cede some territory to other nations to have easier to defend borders and avoid losing too much territory later on. It would take longer to abolish slavery, so any US settlers in that empire would be less likely to start a rebellion.
Why does Portugal not call Britain into the war to defend itself? There is no way Britain wouldn’t get involved if their ally was being invaded.
They definitely do. I just wanted to showcase some of my ideas regarding the scenario!
Yoo this video was cool and I like it this new serie but I still want project stresa to get new episodes
I want to see this new serie
Yes
Will Project Stressa episode 10 still come out this week?
Unfortunately no, I have some things to deal with this week so this is the only video this week. Positive side is that stresa 10 is looking like it would be around 15min long
@@LoreDad Thanks for the update!
i would love 2 see this
I would like to see more of this.
Working on it! (when I can)
Thanks@@LoreDad
I NEED MORE
YES
Yes please make a second
How do you make your videos?
Are you finished with Project Stresa?
yes
where come the next episode i wait it so much also lore about aftershock of the revolution i want it but take ur time for make good video
After a couple of more episodes from different projects I will be uploading bourbon episodes. Hope you stay tuned!
I support a continuation
I want to see a Napoleonic sweep where something equivalent to the EU is founded in the 1800s. I also want to see how liberalism and left-wing ideologies develop in a world without the Congress of Vienna, which martyred Napoleonic France and future progressive revolutions as victims of reactionary monarchies. The question of nationalism and its future is something that will either make or break this EU. If Pan-Western European and Pan-Germanic nationalism are properly integrated in the founding myth of this continental Europe, this Europa United will have no significant opponents internationally.
Speaking of Code Geass references through "Europa United" (Which is actually "Europia" for some reason.), the bourbons may create their own equivalent of the Holy Britannian Empire. Truly, one cannot have greatness in alternate history (The EU) without having a counterweight on progress (The monarchs rebuilding in exile) if this path is taken. Well, it's not like OTL America was particularly liberal either way for a majority of its history.
Make a part 2 pls
Prussia now just looks like if you swapped the polish-Lithuanian union places
I want this to continue. South America would break away, but México and North America (as well as the Caribbean, the Philippines, and the Pacific territories) would remain under Bourbon control.
Ohh yes
I really really really prefer this timeline over Project Stresa. This seems more interesting for sure. I don't know if you can keep uploading both scenarios, or you will start this scenario after Project Stresa, but I want to see more of Project Bourbon ASAP! Cheers!
Maybe release a SparkNotes script for what happens, or a few paths, for Stresa, and expand upon this scenario through videos. I don't know if Stresa is already fully public in text form, so what I said may be pointless.
I would say finish Stresa first and then finish this
Sacrifice the child to watch the movie
French Republic to Western Roman (latin) empire speed run. If it becomes a republic of the people, it would transform into a modern and titular Roman Empire, especially with the occupation of rome, dissolution of the HRE, and inclusion of the Latin peoples in Iberia and Italy.
YYYYEEEEESSSSS
Please expand this
cool
That's a modern flag of hungary. The hungarian tricolor flag was inspired by the italian tricolor which was created by napoleon and was inspired by the french revolutionary flag
Thank you, I will try to make a flag that’s more suitable for the period
I think that when the monarchy falls in Spain we would see similar revolutions happeing in Latin Ameica, most of them will still pay lip service to the new Spanish republic but they will be the seed from where the new republics will be born, the royal family will flee to Mexico, as it was the richest area of the Empire and its people were really conservative, with the Monarchy there the division between criollos and peninsulares will dissapear as they need the support of the criollos and Spain is now an hostile nation. That and the fact that, like in our timeline happened with the 1812 Cadiz constitution, will make the status of every citizen in the Spanish Empire equal, the war will be a fight between liberalism and the old regime rather than a war between the Spanish elites and the local elites like in our timeline, with the exiled monarchy having both New Spain and Peru as strongholds while the liberal regime, either sister republics to the Spanish one or loyalist to the Madrid goverment will launch rebellions fromNew Grenada and La Plata.
Also aomething really important is the fate of the fleet, if the European goverment manages to keep it they will reinforce the local rebellions and attempt to conquer New Spain to end the monarchy and reunite the Empire, if that is the case the liberals there will be lean to be loyalist to Spain as the idea of shared identity will take hold, if the fleet goes with the king the liberals in Latin America will be cut out from the mainland, making the ideas of independence grow, as their success will prove that they dont need Spain to protect them as well as create new national identities, something similar to what happened im Argentina when the British invaded.
The only alternate historian wbo isn't a jobless virgin
Someone make this a Mod in Victoria 3 please
Yes please
This might allow the French to back the USA in the war of 1812.
want more pls
Have the Americans still get their manifest destiny (pls)
Guess who is going to see Nepoleon? Tell you if its good later
napoleone 🥰
So the french monarchy creats a kingdom in north America ?
Go further on this
“I will make a timeline where Germany wins WWII, to do so I will let the Germans win the battle of Strasburg in 357AD.” The further your point of divergence is, the less realistic your scenario is.
Bad take
The united states would still have a giant populatuon compared to feench colonies so they would probsbly send settelers there like they did with texas and california
Prussia is more Polish than German that must be acknowledged.
In our history there was a Prussian plan to place powerful magnate as new Polish King tie him in marriage with Prussian Princess gaining ally it was before the Vienna (when Poland was still partitioned)
I find the seven years war extremely unrealistic. France had no way to defend it, and the lands were underpopulated. The United colonies would not rebel, as they wouldn't have a reason to.
They can't expand into the west because it's controlled by France. Even if they did France would 100% not support them. Because the entire idea was to expand westward, aka, taking french lands
This is good feedback, and thanks for sharing
It could be that in the full series, I have the outcome of the 7 years war in North America change. However, I figured that because France now had the entirety of Spain and it’s navy it would impact the war so I may not change it.
I don’t think any European power could have expected the raw power of the United States. They would support them with the idea that they would become a client state. That would quickly be thrown in their face though.
Thanks for the feedback, hope you have a good day
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A maps enjoyer and history nerd also have contact with woman???
Is this even possible?
No the French Revolution was very unique one success for France could stop it
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This is an incredibly bad video, not because the topic is bad but because the logic isnt logicting.
Thanks for your comment. What did you not like about it? I’d appreciate your feedback
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