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The Forgotten Ferrari: 1983 Ferrari 512 BBi - RETRO DRIVE REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- MotoMan drives the first mid engine Ferrari: the Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer. This one, a fuel injected, 1983 Ferrari 512 BBi with 360 HP. Yet there’s a problem: Even with the iconic place of the Ferrari 512 BB engine and its importance in Ferrari history, this Ferrari is forgotten by many. MotoMan presents the Ferrari Berlinetta Boxer history, demonstrates this performance of this Ferrar 512BB and takes it through a round of our entirely new game on the show, #OptionsGameSenior to learn why the Ferrari Boxer is largely forgotten by the Ferrari collector market.
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I owned 27553 for quite a few years. Clutch is great, the trick is the using the engine torque and basically rollout of a stop. The AC, well you are correct useless, but never open the windows and drive on a hot day. The hot air from the radiators will waft right into the interior. Drive it in the evening with the windows down. A well engineered idea that leaves you smelling like exhaust fumes after a drive. Part of the fun is waking the beast up when it has been parked for a while. I
In the early 80's I drove a clients BB from LA to Aspen. A most memorable ride.
Id take a bb over its modern day counterpart the 812 superfast every single time , its one one the most perfectly proportioned element designs ever
I'd take the BB's body and the 812 tech- the BB is still a car from 1983.
@@cpgixxer ill take it as is .
I was a lucky and saw a dark blue Ferrari 512BB as a kid. 💙
I stopped and stared as this particular Ferrari took my breath away. 🌟
NOTE - There was nothing like actually seeing a Ferrari in the flesh in the late Seventies ! L👍
I saw a Countach, again in the flesh, a few years after I saw the Ferrari BB512.
I'm in the minority but give me that blue 512BB anyday over the Countach. 🙆♂️
The last of the truly handmade Ferrari's. The 512BBi was the last car to have hand formed body panels, hammered over a wooden buck. A genuine work of art
I have some fond memories of my 79. It will take a couple of weeks to really become smooth with the BB. The clutch will allow you to roll out of a complete stop with too much problem, But on a hill, now that will take some getting used to. I sold mine few years ago at 275.
What an excellently detailed review; it's great learning things about iconic and historic vehicles such as these that don't otherwise get much if any airplay.
The transaxle sits under the engine in this car. Because of that it had an even higher cg compared to regular 60 deg v12s with regular transaxle placement. Defeating the whole purpose of the flat engine
Stunning example. Takes me back. I lusted after this Beauty as a youngster. Thank you for this video. I enjoyed it greatly.
The real appellation given to that car was BERLINETTA BOXER but for real, the designer (Leonardo Fioravanti) and the engeneers who developped that car, because of the sexyness of it's line were calling it BB for BRIGITTE BARDOT. It's not a joke. OH YEAH... By the way, RATAROSSA is restoring a withe BBi with blue interior in the UK and e would like to know where he could find the fabric to restore the headliner.
This was my first favourite car. Such pure lines.
I like to see that narrow-body 911 996 in the background, such a great driver's car. Much better handling than the early stuff, much more dynamic and more petite than what came later. Mine is a '99.
Now you’re doing the cars I love, really enjoyed it. I’ve got a 1967 Iso Grifo and really enjoy the passion of these old school cars. Do lots more classics, we’ll watch them !
Wow... Now that's a seriously rare AND very pretty car as well.
Jerry Billings yes the Grifo is very rare, even more so as mine is one of the 30 RHD cars and I’m in Australia. I’ve owned mine 20 years and have done over 100,000km in it and enjoyed every mile. If you search Iso Grifo on RUclips mine is the red one with Grifo number plates on CarTorqueTV. Steve
thinking about me as a kid, loving the shit out of the BBi matchbox i had gives me the fuzzy feelings. those orange indicators. the shape. beautiful.
MotoManTV. You are my kind of car guy. I’ve always loved this car. Great video. Thanks.
In my eyes one of the best looking Ferraris ever, together with the 458 Italia.
Bellissimo.
I reckon the silver screen have something to do with the BB being somewhat forgotten. Both its predecessor & successor, the "Daytona" & the Testarossa had the spot light in Miami Vice, while its compadre, the 308 was on Magnum PI, leaving the BB out of sight out of mind. Not being officially released in the US didn't help either.
Man, I can't believe its been 10 years since you got the 275 on the show.
Excellent work, M. I like how you matched the shirt to the car.
INCREDIBLY good point . . . Shared your thoughts with the guys at the hangar - they seem to agree. And thanks for noticing the shirt/car coordination . . . :)
@@MotoManTV cheers :)
Not forgotten by me. That’s my dream car. I live out in LA and dream of driving one someday. What a magnificent car.
The first Ferrari I got a ride in. Leaving a Ferrari meet in Victoria Australia driving home with my dad in his Giulia Super a Green Boxer rolls up next to us and im clearly wide eyed and taken away by what looks like a Lemans race car driver pulls us over puts me on his lap and we drive for 5 or 10 minutes 40 years ago and it still remains with me. I have been fortunate enough to be in a couple of others a 250 TDF, a 275 and I have driven a 308GT4 (my dads) a number of times. But the Boxer was my first. Forza Ferrari.
I made a Tamiya model of this car when I was a kid. The shape is imprinted on my brain.
What a beauty....the DNA is so clearly visible through from the 308,328,348, 288 and the 512 series...and with a little stretch even the Testa Rosa.
My all time favorite car, but with black rocker panels and gold rims with chrome center nut 😍🤤
I believe much of the reason for the detuned performance has to do with different camshafts; which were made to prevent reversion exhaust air backwards into the CIS intake (no overlap). I _think_ there are camshafts that can be used that bring back that performance without reversion, but it's an uncommon modification.
I love the classic car reviews. One video I'd love to see you make is a Top 10 video of the most pivotal road cars in history.
In the sim when you get the rpms up and it starts screaming and your elbows flare and you begin to manually saw at the wheel taking it past its limits you'll begin to understand how difficult and satisfying it is to do the calculus with a flat 12 as your anvil holding you in place..
Minor point, but although the flat engine would have lowered the CofG, they had to put the gearbox underneath to package it in the car. Hence the CofG was actually a lot higher than ideal. It's not like in the '70s F1 cars where the flat 12 sat just inches off the tarmac. If you do corner a Boxer hard you'll find quite a lot of roll and some roll oversteer. They didn't really cure it until the 512M in the '90s. So treat it as a GT rather than a sportscar and you'll have a better driving experience. The aircon, as with many 70s and 80s cars, is actually an american system, just badged Borletti, and with Marelli electrics. It can be set up to work very efficiently and I once had the cockpit down to 40F. It does gas out pretty quickly though, even if regularly used, and will need a re-charge about every 9 months.
I had one of these and I traded it in for a brand new 2002 Ford Taurus SES WITH an extended warranty and they threw in a set of floor mats!!! They said that these things were really soft in the market and that I would only owe ten grand for the Taurus. I don't know why car salesman get a bad rap, these guys were really nice.
My father had this car , but it was a 1984 model. He passed away and we had to sell it. I was heartbroken, and I want this car back. I miss that strong leather smell :(
I serviced a 1980 512. The clutch is hydraulic and trivial to drive. These were GT cars and did not have a lot of power.
@@truantray Even if it doesn’t have a lot of power, it’s all about the driving experience and the beautiful sound
Love the 512 BBi - I have kinda successor in my closet as a model car - the GTO which is the dream car of my childhood, it was the most beautiful car for me.
The 288 GTO is by far, my favorite Ferrari. On the hunt for one to feature on the show.
Here's some 512 onboard on the limit ruclips.net/video/bqVwX6yhL1Y/видео.html
My 911SC is a true 180 degree boxer engine, the cylinder heads are on the sides of the engine (SOHC flat 3.0L flat 6.)
Best videos on RUclips
The good old days of vintage Ferrari sports cars that had styling, sound, pure performance and stick shift (gated shifter.) I miss those days.
It was fast for its time. The bar for fast has been moved significantly. A Golf R would beat this easily but that’s not the point. These things old sports cars offer exquisite and unique driving experiences and they are still pretty quick.
On most tracks but Golfs are still slower 0-200 20 seconds vs 17.5-19 for the BB. GTO could do it in 15.5. Doug De Muro said it is modern fast. It would definitely beat a Civic type R to 60 as front wheel drive is terrible for 0-60.
My Uncle had 2 of these in Italy ,brand new , smashed booth , the bastard never even invited me for a drive .
In gran turismo, this is my favorite Ferrari. So fun to drive.
Nice to see you on your feet and moving so well
Would love to see more retro reviews
Back in 1981 my dad was looking to buy a Porsche Carrera GT(A 924)A local dealer had one.They also had a 79 911 Turbo,$40,000 Lamborghini Countach for $100,000 and a 1977 Blue Boxer for $40,000.Dad bought the Porsche 911.What a mistake.
I have never forgotten that car, i just always look for the twin black injector? covers on the engine hood.
Great Video again! I really learned something new today. - Nice to see some original KONI shocks in Action here ;-)
Someone else mentioned a "Forgotten Ferrari", the 288 GTO, which I think is Drop Dead Gorgeous. Better than the 512 BBi.
288 GTO is one of my favorite Ferraris ever!
@@MotoManTV Doug DeMuro did a segment on the 288 GTO 3 years ago, labelling it "The forgotten Ferrari". Well, it's not forgotten by me, because that car is nothing less than a Total Beauty. It's more beautiful than the 365's, 512's and any of the Testarossa's that followed.
Great informative and entertaining video. Enjoy listening to a car before NVH was a priority. Thank you.
One of its best qualities:)
This guy would be more suited for a Toyota, and definitely not any Ferrari. Ferrari has always been a man’s car that would never cry about the clutch. This video needs no sound, or a real man to discuss this car.
Santa Maria ! Your doing classics awesome job best wishes !
Maybe splitting hairs but the 365 GT4 BB was the first mid engined Ferrari.It was quicker and lighter. Forgotten? Give your head a shake. Evo did a nice review of it.
Not the 'Berlinetta Boxer ' everyone has wrongly named it...Apparently its the Bridget Bardot...Its not a Boxer too....
WELL SAID
BB stands for berlinetta boxer
It is written in the owners manual.
Great Video all the best.
Great content, thanks :-)
the clutch is not as difficult as he describes. maybe his needed some adjustment. he needs to try it on the highway to get a feel for the torque - fantastic pull even in 5th gear.
Never forgotten.
Thank you!! So very tired of the reviews of all the new cars out there. My feed it full of new baby buggies, Senna’s the latest Lambo and slew of hybrids. I thought I was losing my interest in cars, but I am clearly not. Just new cars which makes sense since I got rid of a F80 M3 and picked up a E39 M5. Anyway, great job, really well done as always!! Keep this type of content coming - we need this.
Thank you . . . Would love to do more of this. I shared how some of the economics works on these types of videos - which is a bit more challenging in this one: ruclips.net/video/ezl4XP7durI/видео.html
What makes the difference is if you guys could help get the word out and share the episodes. They simply don't have anywhere near the same search traffic as new cars, which is why you see a lot of the same stuff.
I love old Ferrari, but I prefer Porsche. Thanks for the video.
il motore in realtà ha una V di 180° poiché le bielle sono montate a coppie sullo stesso supporto, mentre per definirsi boxer avrebbe dovuto avere un supporto per ciascuna biella, come nei motori in linea.
Pero il motore sta bene esattamente dove sta. Tra la 512 TR e la BB sono sicuro che la BB verra superiore contro l'orlogio...
Ferrari official Brochure BB 512 states:
"number and arrangement of cylinders: 12 horizontal opposed"
says it in 2 other languages
nowhere does it say "V12"
Bellisima!
THANK YOU!
It's fast. The DB5 is quick.
Sammy Hagar loves his, still has it....
How can anyone claim this is a 'forgotten' Ferrari? Just because some tosser with more money than sense doesn't know about it doesn't mean that a genuine petrolhead isn't familiar with this master piece.
Why are a lot of manufacturers are staying away from manual gearboxes? In my country even the elderly drives a manual.
Holy LITTERALY
Hard to believe the test drivers of these and Countachs went 9.5/10 on public roads...passing lines of semi trucks.
They’re not that hard on the clutch, you’re doing something wrong, or there’s something wrong with the car
This car has a problem. The clutch is hydraulic and is extremely easy to drive.
@@truantray yes exactly, they are known for having good clutches that are easy to use
True!!!!!!!!!!!!
Greetings from Greece !! thank you for an another excellent video .!
it isn't a Boxer! BB: Berlinetta Bialbero!
BB acronym
According to engineer Mauro Forghieri, the designation "BB" did not originally mean "Berlinetta Boxer." He stated during an interview with Davide Cironi that they knew the car was not equipped with a Boxerengine. He explained the meaning of the acronym (Berlinetta Boxer) was fabricated by journalists, in reality it means Berlinetta Bialbero (dual camshaft).[15]
An alternative origin story of this name was put forward by Leonardo Fioravanti. He claimed that the "BB" designation was derived from a nickname given to the car by designer Fioravanti, Angelo Bellei and Sergio Scaglietti. During development of the 365 GT/4 BB, they began to refer to the car as "Brigitte Bardot", as they perceived the prototype to be exceptionally beautiful like the French actress. This nickname was shortened to "BB" and quickly adopted by other Ferrari factory workers. "Berlinetta Boxer" was later invented by Ferrari officials prior to the model's introduction at the 1971 Turin Auto Show, as it was considered unprecedented to name a Ferrari after a woman.[16][17]
BB stands for berlinetta boxer
It is written in the owners manual.
365BB was the first Ferrari supercar
timeless shape . new ferraris today dont look " italian enough " like they did in the past . they lack the "pinninfarina " allure that the older ones had . just a opinion .
So you’re saying I can’t fit in this thing? ;)
No one and I mean no one, has forgotten this car. What are you smoking?
The 512 BB as not a boxer engine but a flat 12 engine, the right name is not Berlinetta Boxer but Berlinetta Bialbero.
ruclips.net/video/uzKN2adtSag/видео.html
BB stands for berlinetta boxer
It is written in the owners manual.
Forgotten Ferrari? Yeah right!?! Maybe by you but not by Ferrari enthousiasts
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Man, lose the irritating back ground 'music'. Its like a fly in the room.
Forgotten by who exactly?
See my response to other similar comments.
Forgotten by who ??
Have a look at any collector car mag, value guide or auction. That tells the whole story.
@@MotoManTV 2,300 built between 1974 and 1982 so hardly a limited production designed by eye built by hand Ferrari at its best
Forgotten? Bye who? People with zero knowledge of Ferrari.
The collector car market. Story is in the values of these things.
Aren't they worth an absolute fortune? You said yourself $500k+
Bosch K jetronic ruined this car and a few others
*Forgotten or just shit and badly dated ?*
*Both really*
First road going mid engined Ferrari was the Dino.