SLIP TEST - Dacia Duster 4WD vs Suzuki Vitara S All Grip - AUTO & LOCK -
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Dacia Duster 1.6 SCe MT 4WD (2018)
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Suzuki Vitara S 1.4T AT All Grip Select (2016)
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Lovely that you tested them as well. I am a tad late to the party, but thanks anyhow. Unfortunately Renault does not assemble the "newer" duster 4x4 nor import them anymore in Brazil
Both doing pretty damn good job. I’m very impressed for that price of a car.
And thanks for your testing!
My pleasure.
Another great video! Vitara definitely wins this one, but Duster2 is not bad either. Great work! 👍
Mi se par la fel de bune ambele mașini.
@Alex am și uitat de comentariul ăsta.
That duster does a great job. The right setting and it's pretty close to the champion
But the Vitara does an even better job, right?
The champion being Vitara.
El sistema Allgrip de suzuki és una maravilla
Locking differentials look very good to me now
Vitara es mejor, carretera sport y playa 4x4= 4wd, consumo de gasolina excelente, 🤟🏻👍🏼, (salimos a carretera 7hrs en llegar)
At 4:15 and 4:56 you can observe something unusual as the Vitara's back gets lower. This is visible only in those two final hardest tests. In the rest of the situations the car was level. Why?
It goes lower because of strong intervention of rear brakes. If you look closer, you can see it in every test, but not so strong like in the last two.
I think he pull the hand brake for more friction
@@viorelnedelcu1337 That's traction control, not a handbrake.
As for me, Duster is suitable for those who often leave the city or lives outside the city or in the countryside where you can get into off-road conditions more often, on the other hand, Suzuki is more a city car with good off-road potential.
The duster would sell well in the US if it's done right....it's just a nice shape for a small SUV. Put a strong normally aspirated 4 banger that gets 27 mpg overall and it'll sell like hotcakes.
Well They have much more customers in India, China and South America. Diesel Duster gets 40 MPG of cheaper diesel fuel. Bery important for people from countries what don’t atack other countries for oil. 😉
I love these tests. I would love to see then on an incline to get a feel if the si stems can bias enough torque. Some test feel like the sistem is only good enough for low torque flat and dry
I can't do that on incline cause it would be impossible to compare the cars later.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers it would be a nice test do. Sister Channel idea. Lol
I would really like to see a new Grand Vitara with a new All Grip Pro system and law range gear maybe a rear locking diff to. It will be unbeatable.
I dont know why they dont do them anymore, would be better than Forester by miles.
Nice vid`s man!
Thanks!
So far Grand Vitara is not coming back but there are some plans for the future. In a meantime here is Forester and Grand Vitara: ruclips.net/video/hhBL1kLCN9Y/видео.html
The World has moved on!
Suzuki AWD gives Subaru a run for it's money, if only they hadn't left the US market. I totally would have purchased this Vitara. It's a great little SUV.
Duster is better for "offroad" because of "shorter" Gearbox. Vitara's Clutch suffers in Terrain, this Car is better for the road.
right
Nope you're wrong
not to mention the ride height... Vitara has 185mm and the Duster has 210mm...
Super test!!! :)
This Duster has 156 Nm torgue, Vitara has 220 Nm. If the Duster was the 110 dCi (240 Nm torgue) then probably Duster was better (it's all about physics). In general, Duster has better off-road capabilities as it has better ground clearance (210 for Duster, 200 for Vitara), bigger angles (ramp, approach and departure: 23, 30, 34 for Duster, 17.7, 18.2, 28.2 for Vitara) and lower rate of 1st gear. The new Vitara is much worst than the previous models in hard off-road (rocks, climbling, etc).
It doesn't matter at all, maximum torque is not used in such test. 1,6 S-Cross got the same result as 1,4T Vitara. There are also tests of 1,5 dci Duster, the same result as 1,6.
ruclips.net/video/hb2LbodOwBc/видео.html
Better for what? Duster is slightly better off-road but the Vitara is a much better road car.
If you want a car that can do off-road buy a Jimmy.
@@Jasontvnd9 Duster is much much better than Vitara off-road and maybe equal to road even with 65-35 tyres
How do you understand which one is the better?
Firstly you have to check if the car is able to drive off the rollers. Then you watch how does it do it - easily or struggling etc. You also have to watch if the driving modes do any difference. Some driving modes are intended to a lot of wheelspin.
Suzuki have a long experience in 4X4...
so does Nissan...
@@aLtta1 Nissan system the Dacia!..not the Suzuki.
@@angolbeteg9176 you get me
Czułem że ten pojedynek wygra SUZUKI. Nie było miazdzacej przewagi ale ostatni test jednak pokazał możliwości marki... :)
Интересно как проявит себя Duster 2024
Interesting, especially that there are new driving modes.
Great videos Vavoom! What type of AT is in Vitara? Any problems? Maintenance? I am planning on adding HKS GTIII-FX, FMIC and remap. Everybody says AT can endure bigger torque than MT.
@pasmater svima That's good, old, hydrokinetic aisin. No problems.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Could you please tell me what model is it? I came across very different info.
@@seventhson4766 I think it is TF-80SC/AF40, but I am not sure about it. I will try to check it.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thank you! Please check when you have the time.
@@seventhson4766 I didn't find model of gearbox, but I have very very detailed service info about it. Please contact me via facebook if you need it.
Awesome, but what I don't like about these modes, is it doesn't push in the only place it has traction. All of these rollers should have been irrelevant to the actual floor, it should have calculated that the push is only happening from the floor. But love the duster anyway..
Actually they push the wheel with traction. In these kind of awd systems it always take some time to calculate the situation (well, some systems are not able to that but these two can).
If i wand tow a boat from sand beach which will be better for that job? Maybe duster because it has very sort 1st!
Yes, short 1st of Duster should do a good job. But the classic, hydrokinetic AT in Vitara will do the job as well.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers thanks for answer, i dont know anything about hydrokinetic at (what is this?) Where can i read about this technology?
@@stavrosiliadis2271 That's old type of automatic gearbox, including torque converter. No dual clutches etc. There's a lot of articles about it.
What's the 4WD drive that drives 4 wheels or can be locked, so all 4 wheels are used?
Suzuki is in the lead, but they both do better than 4matic and 4motion 😉
Suzuki Vitara for ever ... History of the 4x4
So does Nissan...
Exactly! As it seems, an off-road capable Vitara is history anymore...
The New Vitara it's not a All TERRAIN vehicle any more, it's a SUV, work great, but now it's one more family sedan whit esthetic of a light truck and integral transmission, it's not the same of a 4x4 transmission. The position longitudinally of the pack engine&transmission show the difference.
Vitara has the original 4wd system, all the other suv's with 4wd system is not so good like the vitara.
Suzuki 👍
Vitara 👍. Agarre mas seguro. Mejor sistema de economía en combustible. Sistema combinado actualizado. Mejor calidad en todo sentido. Duster con sistema de inyección desactualizado, por ende menos ahorro en combustible
They still did not fix duster but improved at least that you have better chances of getting out of tricky situation.
The person who tested the Vitara it accelerate much slower and then brake shortly to allow the car to advance from those rollers, (look carrefuly at 5.02) meanwhile in the Duster since the car is also much lighter but the guy accelerate stupidly continuously the car stay still this situation is not use in offroad condition no one accelerate faster when diff is locked.. so the video only show half the story and not proof anything.. both cars are about same off-road but the Duster being a bit taller from the ground and lighter it will get more easy some obstacles the Vitara kicks more power but is a bit lower to the ground i have tested both cars myself.. for cities highways Vitara suit better is more posh but for country unpaved gravel roads the Duster is the working horse, that is why people buy it because it is more affordable and if is specked on middle trim with Duster money is really hard to find something better..
@Pop Laurentiu What you can see at 5.02 (and many other attempts) is the operation of awd and traction control, that is not the driver input.
PS. These cars do not lock the diff, they don't have the center one.
And Duster isn't lighter than Vitara.
Good and illustrative video. A short explanation of different symbols and final comparison would be useful. Keep up the good work! :-)
Symbols show where rollers are and the driving modes 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanx for a quick response. I understand where the rollers are positioned, but being new to the 4x4 area I don't know the symbols of the different manufacturers. A overall comparison by you guys would be appreciated. To the untrained eyes (mine!) Suzuki Vitara seems the better, but I might be wrong.
@@NicolaiBjerre We do not extend the videos with explanations, descriptions etc. But we do answer every individual questions in comments and we try explain every doubts 🙂 In this case you are right, Vitara was better. What is interesting here is that both cars have almost the same same awd systems (mechanically), all the difference is in the sophistication of software.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Thanks again for quick response. As you mention, it is quite interesting, that they perform differently when having the same mechanical system. Actually, I had expected Dacia to perform better with its "true" 4x4/FWD compared to Suzukis' AWD.
I like your down-to-earth way of testing 👍🏻
@@NicolaiBjerre There is much more like Mitsubishi, Nissan, Mazda, they all share the same mechanical system but performance is very different. Detailed video based on Suzuki is here: ruclips.net/video/N_SCul259hc/видео.html
Vitara is definitely a winner. But driver on the Duster on every try always hit the acceleration paddle on max, there for Duster manage to exit, but on Vitara it accelerate slowly. If you accelerate slowly on Duster , results will be slightly worst. That's my opinion
and it is logic why... Vitara has a 1.4 turbo engine... it has a torque of 220Nm from 1500rpm to 4000rpm...Duster has 1.6 n/a(non turbo) engine with a torque of 156Nm from 4000rpm...but the new 1.3tCe engines with 131hp and 150hp have 260Nm and 240Nm from 1600rpm and 1700rom...to bad they don't come with 4WD version but in summer, this year, they said they will come with 4WD....
@@aLtta1 There is not much torque needed in roller tests. S-Cross 1.6 behaves quite similar to Vitara 1.4T: ruclips.net/video/hb2LbodOwBc/видео.html
Put both on 4 rollers. There are often such conditions in reality.
Yes and if that happens you don't move in any car , How can a car with zero traction on all contact surfaces drive , have a little intelligence.
Сузуки 👌👌
Спасибо за видео ! Молодец !
Думаю “Duster” нет конкуренций за такую цену. 👍🤝
Форестер его делает по всем фронтам...я не про атмо и вариатор
@@izmeni_psevdonim_dyra По каким интересно, а то аж смешно стало)))
@@idconst муфту бинтиком подвяжи и подорожник туда же
@@izmeni_psevdonim_dyra что ты несешь? Я задал конкретный вопрос, если ответить не можешь, не надо мучиться...
@@idconst 280 лс механика блоки и ТД, управление.. Да во всем он обходит Дастер. А типо форестеры на вариаторе это не Форестер а пародия
Japan ♥ Japan ♥ Japan ♥
Fate una prova con la Fiat panda 4×4, grazie
But Fiat Panda has obtained Zero stars according to last year (2018) NCAP testings..
Check the channel in a few hours - Panda Cross 4x4 test coming ;)
Both cars were pretty good, surprising really. However biggest difference between these two can be seen in crash tests...
Where I can buy those rollers?
They are diy.
2:32 The legend says the Duster is still trying to get out of the rollers
😅
Dove li posso trovare questi rulli? Grazie
Custom made.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Grazie
That function "lock".. what really locks, the garage doors, or home door?!:))). In the past, when .."things" as those two weren't produced, the button "lock" in any suv activate diff locker and when transfer box were in position 4x4, no variation between what get front / rear diff's occurs. Now.. "lock" just press harder that multiplate clutch.. never really locks something there!
Now (well, for over ten years already in such cars...) LOCK means that awd system is permanently engaged. Not blocked, but locked (no 2wd). It also changes operation of some other systems.
in auto mode, the car is a 2wd until the front wheels lose traction... when they lose traction, the computer commutes power to all 4 wheels and when the car regains traction the computer commutes to 2WD again... in lock mode all 4 wheels have power but until 80km/h...
@@aLtta1 Maybe AUTO mode in Duster works like you described (I don't know), but not in Suzuki. There AUTO mode isn't waiting for loss of grip, but it is powering all wheels every time you start, every time you accelerate at low speeds, every time you accelarate hard up to ~80 km/h and everytime you drive on low µ roads.
Ho preso la Duster GPL e sto avendo un sacco di problemi al motore. (v. Gruppo Facebook DACIA GPL NON CONFORME)
Alla fine la Vitara mi veniva solo 2500€ in più col ritiro dell'usato, e con il 1.0 risparmi di assicurazione e probabilmente anche sui consumi.
Pensateci se siete in tempo!
Duster diff. is higher, and wider wb.
Company name in Japan Suzuki Escudo Japan
VITARA mejor. 👌👍👏👏
is vitara the best car on rollers ?
Mirza Milavica Not the best, but one of the best.
Which is the best cars on your tewt
@@mirzamilavica1238 The fastest reaction times were in Jeep cars (Cherokee, Renegade).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers tell me in which aspect of offroad new Vitara 1.4l boosterjet is better than new Duster 1.5l DCI? Also tell me why I should buy Vitara over duster in general? I am having very hard time choosing between these 2 cars.
@@GiorgiGachechiladze02 When you consider only offroad then Duster is much better. More ground clearance, better angles. And it is exactly the opposite onroad or on snowy roads where Vitara's handling is much better. But Vitara isn't the competitor of Duster, they are from different segments (B & C). S-Cross is direct competitor for Duster.
Suzuki all grip is the best !!
In my country Argentina the prix of a Vitara is almost iqual to a Toyota Fortuner a real 4x4.
So is the Vitara expensive or is Fortuner cheap?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i think because is cheaper due to Fortuner (here Toyota SW4) is manefacturated in Argentina...
Still Vitara is the best...had some doubts about the new Duster but now is confirmed :)
Which was your doubt? You know it has 2 open diffs ? It's all about electronics. There is a Mudster versionbwith rear lsd that is much ore capable.
ai vazut. comparatia intre vechea Duster ph2(facelift la prima generatie) si Vitara(aceeasi masina ca cea din video)? daca te-ai fi uitat la ea, ai fi vazut ca noul Duster are un sistem 4WD mai bun... inainte, cand era pe 3 role si doar roata din spate jos, Duster nu a plecat de pe loc... deloc... acum a facut-o... si in plus, diferenta de pret... cel mai ieftin Vitara AllGrip are motor 1.0.turbo si este 18.000€ iar cel mai ieftin Duster 4WD are motor 1.6 n/a si cu a.c. este 15.000€....si in plus, nu sunt din aceeasi categorie... Duster este in aceeasi categorie cu SX4 Cross....
Dacia też ma coś podobnego do Haldexa?
Dawid Stankowski Tak, także sprzęgło wielotarczowe, ale elektromagnetyczne. Słabsze niż haldex, ale szybsze.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Szkoda że nie stosują tak jak przy Grand Vitarze centralnego dyferencjału i stałego 4x4.
@@dawidek441 Tego typu samochód nie wymaga takiego rozwiązania, choć przy terenowych aspiracjach coś mocniejszego niż sprzęgło na pewno by nie zaszkodziło.
Dawid Stankowski obecnie niewiele osób godziło by się na litr - 1,5 litra większe spalanie przez stały 4WD. 90% osób nigdy nie zjedzie poza asfalt lub szutrową drogę a zwiększone opory ruchu i dodatkowe 15-20 kg masz cały czas.
@@dawidek441 grand Vitara to przeszłość synu.
Suzuki will be still running many years after Dacia has been recycled
You are soooooo dumb !!!
We have both 2014 Duster and 2018 Vitara, both bought as new. Neither one has had any problems.
Que triste ver al nombre Vitara convertido en SUV y enfrentado a un una version familiar del Logan con integral(que para lo que es anda realmente bien). El ultimo bastión de los TODO TERRENOS medianos y chicos, la grand vitara hasta 2016 y hoy solo queda Jimny.
Vitara looks like an orthopedic shoe.
Duster is way better i am an owner ...
Owner of both?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers owner of duster but i have driven vitara several times and all generations i agree that Vitara is a very good off-roader but i prefer duster because the new generation of vitara isnt so good
@@dimitrisv7068 New generation of Vitara is not an offroader any more. Still capable of some soft offroad, but much less than Duster. Situation changes on roads (dry or wet tarmac, snow, ice etc.), there Vitara is much more stable car.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers look i've driven my duster into a storm and in an icy road through the mountains and there want any problems at all in both times
@@dimitrisv7068 I do not say that Duster can't go on icy roads, but its stability is far behind Vitara, so is safety (passive and acive), corner braking etc. Try to do some faster cornering or sharper maneuvering in both cars.
Моя девяточка без проблем с 4 таких штуковин съезжает))
Władimir Putin!
Если под запаску пятую такую хуёвину подложить - то и девяточка не съедет...
Suzuki cost much more than duster
Not any more, Duster with new 1.3 engine isn't cheap as it used to be...
in my country 250$ difference, thats not much
Don't forget ; with Dacia, the price is the price, the same everywhere. With Suzuki and all others, you can negociate !
Duster, of course!
Vitrage of course
Suzuki every time. 5 star ncap safety rating . The Duster is about 10 years behind when it comes to car and pedestrians safety.
and Duster is a low cost car...look on the ncap site and see hiw the Dusters test concluded... and look at the data, not the video... for a low cost car, Duster is really safe... if it had at least one automated safety system, it. would had 4 stars...
@@aLtta1 You're right! "Look at the data"! ...and not the stars! Is Duster really safe????!!!!! The driver suffers a life-threatening head injury in a head-on collision.
"In the full-width rigid barrier test, head injury values based on decelerations indicated poor protection for this part of the body and all points for the driver dummy were lost."
Vitara vitara vitara .love u
Vitara is 20 years old blueprint uncomparable to new Duster which is modern light and agile car. Testing diferential reactions is nonsense compared to other factors of cars.
I understand that your comment was a joke.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you didn't understand it right
@@Zeonoid Then explain how is the Vitara 20 years old if it was released in 2015.
@@Zeonoid Still waiting for the explanation...
Suzuki win is the best
Vitara!
Duster is better Offroad , i have Duster and testing in bad winter ground in the wood , angled ca. 45% . Duster is better because the first three gear change are very shortly , thats fine for enorm much tracktion in lock modus .
O prostie
Suzuki all the time, owner of a SZ5
4:24 he cheated. took the curve and that helped him pass.. 👎👎
Mihai076's Channel Exactly the opposite - driver must turn the steering wheel and correct to stay ON rollers, otherwise car will fall down (torque steer).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers in this case. I apologize. I thought he wanted to cheat. sorry 👍
@@mihaisuciu6602 No problem at all, I am here to explain all doubts :) That is quite common question, so soon rollers will be changed in a way that tires won't be able to touch the frame). If someone still doesn't believe, here is test outtake which clearly shows that sides of rollers do not help:
ruclips.net/video/H_lM_vXwRSo/видео.html
What is the point of this video? What it is trying to prove?
Valentin George It is basic test of awd/traction control systems.
ba, esti prost? :))
@@adrianbarbuu și el unul dintre românașii care se crede mare cunoscător de mașini dar nu înțelege când vede un test pentru a vedea care sistem 4WD este mai bun...
Suzuki Vitara the best 👍
Duster 👍🏻
Suzuki
Единственное что в дастере хорошо - это клиренс, а так овощь полный в сравнении с витарой.
Completely useless comparison!
Duster's engine applies 156Nm@4000rpm,
while Vitara's 220Nm@ *1500* -4000rpm!
Guess who will perform better. I don't need a video for this...it's a no brainer...
Use a Duster with dCi or new TCe engine, then we can derive any meaningful conclusions.
Really? Then why S-Cross 1.6 performs the same as Vitara 1.4T? And why Duster 1.6 performs the same as Duster dCi?
I'll tell you - cause there's not much torque needed in such test. You can have 1000 Nm and it won't be used.
Duster 👏
Дастер 🤣
Сузуки класс
Как можно сравнивать говно с лопатой, в данном случае дастер- полное ГОВНО!!!!!!!
Suzuki is ugly it has no angle of Attack and no diesel it is a city car no offroad car like the Duster
There was diesel engine in Vitara but Suzuki has quit with it. When it comes to look - that's a matter of taste, personal thing.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers quit MEANS THERE IS NO - AND ITS REALY AN UGLU CAR WHO LIKE IT - HAS NO TASTE
@@violinalang5292 Maybe you have no taste? You claim that car is ugly, ok. But that doesn't mean that people who like it have no taste.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It is not only ugly it is Kitsch , Duster is beautiful.
@@violinalang5292 Millions of people will say it's the opposite. There's no accounting for taste.
Витара моя мечта.
Suzuki Vitara wins because it is more safer than Dacia Duster i guess?
It wins because it has more sophisticated awd system. Safety has nothing to do with this test, but that is also correct - 5 stars for Vitara, 3 stars for Duster.
4wd also automatically switch off at 80 kilometers per hour on Vitara; or only for Duster ?
@@jumpyutz In Vitara 4wd system is active up to 130 km/h (Sport & Snow modes, driving on dry tarmac, I don't know if it is active above that speed when it is slippery). In Duster - I don't know.
Chose the Hungarian made Quality: Suzuki Vitara! ✌🏻🇭🇺
Vitara was designed in Japan and it is build by Japanese standards... but for the European market they chose Hungary because if the law, taxes, roads and cheaper work force... the Duster is designed in Romamia for markets like Romania(4th world countries) but is sells as good as in Germany....
Killah Priest Whoo! Hold down! Chill! Whats the matter, cos’ I dont wrote any mocking on nobody! Wait! Whats triggered you the most? Hungarian flag? This is the case here? And you dare to call others retarded!? 😄 Tell me, you wrote as “we”, so you represent here somebody, or you simply a schizo? 🤣
aLtta1 Built by High Japanese standards, which btw mets with the also high Hungarian standards. Suzuki have chose Hungary, and not other back in the early 90’s, because the Japanese were absolutely convinced by the talented workforce, and by the commitment of the gov’ts, and local authorities! Without it Suzuki could easily pick other country in the region, but they took the Best choice.
aLtta1 Designed in romania for sure, but here the names of the designers of Renaul..sorry dacia:
Erde Tungaa, Laurens van den Acker, Emmanuel Klissarov, David Durand.. Maybe the duster and others were designed in Bucharest design center, but I dont see any romanians there.
@@sisimoto Renault's team did the design and Dacia's team did the engineering.... designing a car doesn't mean only drawing....
According to you who live in the west of Europe, what is happening in the West is always better, and everything from the East does not work. DDuster is a French invention and product
Duster wins hands down..
Timothy Somers Where do you see the win?
Duster is a fine machine..susaki or what ever you call it..a heap of shit
@@timothysomers9434 That is not the answer for my question. Besides, Suzuki is on the top of reliability indexes.
Duster a fine machine
@@timothysomers9434 You're repeating yourself.
suzuki 1 dacia 0
Suzuki is far better, no need to waste time in such tests :D waiting for my new vitara
Vitara looks gay! :)) Duster is really cool!
Fake tests, you should find a decent job!
Use arguments.
tires not the same, drivers not the same, pressing the pedal different, course you like money...
@@liviuteodor1410 As long as tires on pavement do not slip, they do not influence the test. Acceleration is regulated by electronics. Drivers are usually the owners of the cars, so they know their cars the best.
Oh man. What is fake here? If you are out on a ice field and only one tire has grip, then you are exactly in this kind of situation. If you have better tires or a other driver does not have a effect if you just let do the electronics doing the stuff
look how inefficient the duster was