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The Most Common Mistake for Japanese Beginners
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- Опубликовано: 11 апр 2023
- Beginner Japanese students have a rough time with Japanese adjective conjugation. Perhaps because we don't conjugate adjectives in English. We see these small Japanese adjective mistakes a LOT, so I decided to make a quick video to explain how to conjugate Japanese adjectives into the past and negative past. い adjectives AND な adjectives.
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It is not only educational but also the editing is fantastic and fun. Kudos for all the work put into editing the video!
Thank you! I had fun with this one. =)
Yeah, "Fun" 😭
The confusion comes from the fact the it's never actually explained that there are two types of です, one that is the polite form of the copula だ (which is a verb and a predicate of the verb, and conjugates as such), and the other one that is just a decorator to add the politeness, but doesn't provide the meaning of "to be". So called い-adjectives are adjectival verbs, which means they're close friends to verbs, and do function as predicates. So called な-adjectives are actually adjectival nouns which means they're the cousins of nouns and as any noun they cannot serve as predicates. One thing to note is that the copula だ (in present affirmative) in casual, natural speech is usually omitted if not followed by sentence-ending particles, but it's important to remember it's still there, but hidden.
楽しかったです (adjectival verb [predicate] + decorative です)
綺麗でした (adjectival noun [not predicate] + past tense of copular です [predicate])
Regular verbs use a different approach to add politeness by using the helper verb ます that attaches to the verb´s い-stem, and conjugates on its own.
It's also worth to note, that there used to be a negative form of です, でせん but fell out of use, and we use ではありませんでした・じゃなかったです instead.
Bruh I’m following your genki series now and all I can say is thank you so much for your effort and making it available for free. Genuine classroom quality content available for free. Huge respect and you earned my follow and thumbs up for sure!!!
This channel is such a godsend, Ive been floundering in my studies lately but these videos always make Japanese make sense again. Thank you for all you do!
Thank you, that was great - short and to the point and with good explanations!
Love your content, Andy. Thanks so much, keep it comin'!
動画楽しかった！
詳しくはなかったのでと、ても勉強になりました！ありがとうございました！
Short, cohesive and educational. Great stuff! Even though I kinda knew those rules, it's always nice to have a quick review with videos like that. Thanks!
Not even close to learning this but enjoyed the information none the less! :D
Glad to hear it! Now when you do get to this point, you should be good to go. =)
Definitely really helpful. I'm struggling through chapter 5 of Genki 1 on TokiniAndi and I mix up the adjective conjugations a lot so it's nice to have it just all broken down again!
Looks like this video is perfectly timed then! I'm glad to hear that it's helpful. =)
Wow, I have always admired the "regularity" of the language, and I love the way you teach it!
I feel so reassured because I surprisingly already knew all of this and was predicting the conjugations. がんばって！
Great video. A lot of educational resources leave out the things that learners might get wrong, because it supposedly makes the material more confusing, but in reality, learners just end up confused without knowing it.
This video helped me immensely. Thank you.
If I'm not very much mistaken, 「ない」 is an い-adjective, which is why it conjugates like 「じゃなかった」
I was actually thinking about this to myself on my way to work last week! What a timing :D
面白かったです! とても便利です
Just like your "は vs が" video, this should be required watching for anyone learning Japanese. Another great one!
im glad i knew this before clicking the video, but watching this was a good refresher and it was edited well enough to keep my attention. this was a good video! i wish this existed two years ago lol. it took me a couple months to understand how desu worked
I really had to drill and practice when I was initially learning these conjugations, this video would have been hugely helpful at the time but I'm sure it'll help a ton of new learners on their journeys with Japanese!
just discovered this channel, youtube clearly thinks i need to brush up. This is absolutely not a flex, but watching this made me realise that my first teacher somehow must have explained it in a way that I don't think I ever made the mistake of 楽しかったでした but watching this made me think, that sounds about right and I would probably do that. side note, I'm so glad you have the appropriate memes and reactions to expectations. If there's anything I've learnt about learning basically any language, Logic is just not part of it. "This is how it is, suck it up." - Every language ever. Love it, will be checking out the rest of your videos!
I just started learning grammar in BunPro and immediately was confused by the constant pairing of present tense です with past tense conjugation! Luckily someone on the forums clarified for me what this video says, but this video does it so much better! I think I might join tokiniandy as an independent learner.
Man, I know it's not the most well known or popular course but I am so glad that I did (am doing) the Human Japanese course for my learning. The author writes like how Andy teaches, that is to say, like a normal human not like a textbook so everything is so easy to understand. I've never struggled with adjective conjugation thanks to this....unless I'm getting lost in a long conjugation train. 😅
I never even considered this to be an issue since it's become so natural to me now lol. But I do see a lot of beginners also make this mistake since the concept is so foreign.
When you get used to it, it's not so bad. But yes, it is really hard to get used to I think! =)
@@ToKiniAndy Yeah I think so too.
This mistake likely comes from the confusing (but not necessarily wrong linguistically - I don't know for sure so whatever) idea that です is a conjugated form of だ. I remembered this through an example that Tae Kim gives in his grammar guide:「そうですか？」is a valid question whereas 「そうだか？」isn't, even though です is "supposed to be" just a conjugated form of だ。The declarative role of だ contradicts with the question itself, whereas です is merely added for politeness, and it's fine to use it. So best to follow his advice and treat です as an entirely different word from だ.
Perhaps, although the students making this mistake usually haven't even encountered だ yet.
That's one point that I tend to disagree with Tae Kim on. While practically the advice makes sense, in reality it's a little less straight forward.
Maybe I'll break down why in another video some day. =)
@@ToKiniAndy textbooks teaching desu before da is a huge problem on its own
@@electricant55 I don't think that, teaching だ before です wouldn't help or save the problem. They teach the more common thing first which is completely fine
@@ssjkaryuusennin doesn’t matter which one is more common, and it’s not even true - people spend way more time taking with their friends and family
@@electricant55 It does matter which is more common. What you said would be right if we were talking about japanese people. That's not the case. Why would foreigners talk to their family in japanese? Of course it depends on the person. But there is a reason why です is more known even amongst foreigners. And even if だ was more common. It doesn't solve the problem entirely, because as soon as です is introduced it will be similar to the current problem. And textbooks try to teach you what you need for the working world and strangers.
This issue really stumped me for a while when I first started out, but once you have the pattern its a case of committing to memory and practice, I don’t kno if you have seen conjugation city app but it allows you to drill verb and adjective conjugations. You can do by level and by conjugation type. It’s only 99 cents and really worth it in my opinion.
Thanks for the recommendation! =)
Here I am in Japan taking Japanese courses. Ever since Lesson 3 (we're learning the whole first Genki book in ine semester... that's like one lesson a week). I start to struggle. I found your channel for help with Lesson 4 stuff.
Now I see what we are about to learn tomorrow and I just feel that I'm getting buried by how fast our classes are moving.
Helpful video, also loved all the different suffering memes throughout the video. 🤣
Glad you enjoyed it! I enjoyed making it. =)
Videos kind this will save me so much trouble in the future.
Brilliant, learnt it all in a new way. One can see an endless loop of nai and katta developing....
They can get pretty long!
Great video! I love watching your videos to supplement my study. Yes, I really did come up with たのしかった. I think part of it is that Japanese parts of speech don't line up exactly to English parts of speech. I try to understand this at a deeper level, so here's my probably slightly inaccurate understanding. い-adjectives are verb-like, and な-adjectives are noun-like. So an い-adjective can be a predicate all by itself, and it conjugates. In that case, the です is there only for politeness, not to make it a proper sentence. な-adjectives need a copula to make a predicate, and if you haven't attached them to a noun with な, you conjugate the copula. My guess is that if you take the negative and get 好きじゃない, it now acts like an i-adjective.
I just finish Genki lesson 8. Thank you this is so useful.
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Thanks for watching. =)
This video is very weirdly timed, currently learning this with my tutor and it has confused me so much.......THIS WAS SO HELPFUL
I'm glad to hear I timed it so well, and that it helped! =)
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I think there's one major thing missing. Study, study, study that vocabulary in the beginning. Knowing lots of words helps build comprehension and understand grammar much faster.
This has been blowing me away for years. I never knew what verb to conjugate, why they were adding another verb at the end of what seemed like an already perfectly fine verb, nor which should be conjugated out of the two. Tldr, they just put です on the end to be polite. Japanese striking again with its polite form speech.
I think the problem arises because the conjugation of Na adj is always introduced in mixed polite and casual form. For example the conjugation of"suki" is introduced as : Suki desu (present polite)/ Suki janai (-ve present casual) / Suki deshita (past polite) / Suki janakatta (-ve past casual). In my opinion, it shall be introduced as follow either complete casual : Sukida / Suki Janai/ Sukidatta / Suki Janakatta or complete polite : Suki desu/ Suki dewaarimasen/ Suki deshita/ Suki dewaarimasen deshita
I love it’s 😊thanks.
You’re welcome 😊
Thanks for watching!
always fun to use あたたかい for this as an example : D. Also ... polite for な adjectives: 好きでわありませんでした？
My brain melted, thanks
@ToKiniAndy i don’t know if you have this planned or not, but i’m struggling quite a bit with my pronunciation like with です、 し and a few others. So, i was wondering if you could make a video or series explaining pronunciation for hiragana and katakana.
I like seeing you mix up your content with short form videos that are content packed and easily digestible!
-ザックリ
These can be a lot of fun to make! Glad you're enjoying it. =)
What makes it make sense to me is telling myself "I still think of it as fun" so it is still fun to me even though it happened in the past.
It's like if a japansese person was learning english and said "That was right!" when they mean to say "that's right"
One thing that always messes me up is the ている form. I understand that it can be used for continuous actions ("走っている" means "running") and continuous states ("乾いている" means that something is dry and continues to be dry), but it's hard to figure out which one it is sometimes. For example, does "これを飲んでいる" mean "I am drinking this" or "I drank this"? I feel like it could be either.
For transitive (actor + action) verbs like that it always means "I am X-ing." =)
Intransitive (don't need an actor) it is usually change of state.
Not confusing at all lol. Thanks for the vid!
I hope it's a LITTLE less confusing now! haha
@@ToKiniAndy Absolutely, tis my memory that betrays me. Thank you for your guidance!
More videos like this please
Will do!
Can you make a video about the NAT test.
I can't give a in-depth answer on why it is incorrect but all I know is I learned and always use かった to indicate that an い adjective is in the past
Oh man I know why but it’s still so hard for me to remember off the top of my head since it’s only adjectives that behave this way in desu-masu form.
Also, the two other things that regularly mess me up are causative and passive (and causative-passive) verbs and the dreaded に particle
Thanks been absorbing your videos for know hows learning japanese. would be cool to see if you make video of learning japanese using chatgpt, i been using it to everyday to translate & give furigana of kanjis and make anki cards. would love to see your opinion on how accurate it is.
I may be able to come up with something for that, as GPT is really interesting to me. =)
I'm glad to hear that the videos have been helping!
a really helpful lesson but something that I'm still not sure is what about verbs in たい can we add です。? for example 飲みたくないです。 行きたかったです。 I've read that saying 行くです 飲むですか。sounds like an anime character , and once again thank you for the lesson I'm learning a lot!
a good website to practise this is bailey snyder Japanese conjugation practise.
Thank you for the recommendation. =)
I think the confusion covered in this video is really a symptom of a more fundamental confusion regarding how copulas work in English, and how this differs from other languages. Once you stop focusing on the copula, it becomes much easier to grasp how Japanese (and other languages) conceptualize qualifying nouns/verbs.
Honestly I didn't realize there is a past tense for desu until now
The wojacks really drove this point home for me.
I think this is one of the things I tried to master first because I was scared of verbs :P
楽しいだった❎️
楽しかった✅️
楽しいでした❎️
楽しかったです✅️
楽しかったでした ❎️（二重過去形 (double past tense)）
Hehehe feel so proud that I knew why it was wrong not because of genki but because of terrace House😎
I've been studying for over 2 years, and I recently passed the JLPT N3. That said, I occasionally mess this up myself, so I enjoyed the video!
Andy & Yuki, one suggestion for future videos. I like the format, but can I suggest one small tweak? When you put incorrect grammar up on the screen (e.g., when demonstrating a common mistake), and especially when you have Yuki read it out loud for us, maybe put a question mark or some other visual indicator (color?) that you haven't "blessed" or sanctioned what's on the screen yet. Once you clarify whether it was or wasn't correct grammar, maybe give another visual indicator (X or circle, or maybe red or green?) before moving on? If someone is intently paying attention and following the flow, then it's probably not a big deal, but you kept switching back and forth between good and bad grammar examples (with Yuki's audio), and I can see someone getting confused or perhaps subconsciously absorbing something they shouldn't.
You studied for 2 years and passed N3? What- how many hours do you study Japanese on a daily basis?
@@citriosis I think they meant that N3 in 2 years is slow, I think it's more normal to pass N1 in 3 years.(I can't speak for the majority of course, but that was my impression when I heard other people telling how long it took them)
アンディーくんは楽しい。
So Genki uses じゃありません／じゃありませんでした for the negative polite forms of the copula です (instead of じゃない／じゃなかった です). Is there a sense of which is more common and how that varies? Is it a regional thing? A generational thing? A situational thing?
Is it possible for non grammar nerds, with 2.5 hours/day of dedicated study time, to become somewhat fluent in conversation, if given 1 year of study prior to traveling to Japan?
皆、頑張れ！ファイト！
conjugation is brutal, it's like the brick wall in Genki
I feel like even when I think of or hear a sentence in Japanese that I should completely know - I still don't grasp it... I'll hear the words and can decipher them eventually, but it takes so long for me to reorganize them and figure out what was really said. It's even worse when listening. It takes me 45 seconds at least to reorganize one sentence to where I can comprehend it. It just feels like I'm thinking backwards for some reason and my brain doesn't want to. I take a long time figuring out the sentence without that verb coming early. Also I keep thinking, wait what is my verb? what was my subject again or should it be an object?Any advice?
I can speak English normally but I'm getting lost when I'm restructuring those same sentences in Japanese or hearing them in Japanese.
An old Japanese learning RUclips channel called Cure Dolly actually had a video on this. It's something I still struggle with too but her tips seem to be helping a little.
RUclips doesn't like when you post links or I'd link you directly but look up her video on "how to think in Japanese" and you'll find it.
I'm having a hard time with keigo and sonkeigo. I constantly mix them together and genki 2 doesn't make it much easier. How important is it to learn keigo and sonkeigo at the early stages of learning Japanese?
Everyone mixes those up, even natives, so you don't need to worry too much. Genki 2 only introduces them to you so that you'll have an idea of what you're hearing when you're on the phone with a company, or at the convenience store. There is really no need to learn how to use them perfectly yourself at Genki 2 level. =)
In fact, even natives tend to take classes or purchase specialized books to study it when they decide to start a job that will require it.
@@ToKiniAndy Ok, that takes a lot of pressure off of my chest, thank you Andy! Knowing that even natives have to study them at some point puts my mind at ease. :)
I know I'm a bit late but I'm really struggling with the negative of すぎる
Johnny English caught me off guard 🤣
ハハハ！
Yeah, I didn't actually realize this was a problem with Japanese until now!
The part I've been finding most difficult is the Kanji.
I find that WaniKani teaches at too fast a pace for me and I don't find RTK to be engaging.
And yet, I'm about to start chapter 6 with little kanji knowledge.
ｗｗｗ。
I didn-t studied any of this but never get that wrong, inmersion is definetly the way, it just sounds so wrong after all of the listening
lol I'm not sure if this is a silly question, but I was wondering, if you can say "好きじゃなかったです" (I didn't like~), then can you say "好きじゃなくなかったです" (I didn't not like~)?
I guess in English, that could work, but I'm not sure in Japanese. For example:
A: Did you not like the movie?
B: Uhhh.... I didn't NOT like it, but I didn't like it, either.
You absolutely can say that! Good job figuring that out! =)
So when do we use 「でした」then?
With nouns and な adjectives. =)
Ok despite all the trouble I have in actually speaking Japanese I do know this one.
ですis a polite monster
Can you also use じゃありません for added politeness? Bcuz ます.
You can! And then you can add です after that for even more! haha
@@ToKiniAndy stackable politeness
" I know I'm going to learn a language, im going to learn Japanese "😁 ... after checking out RUclips and a few books later 😶😑 .. i feel ive bitten off way more than I can chew and although I am having fun getting grips with hiragana an katakana (I havnt stared with kanji yet 😒) I feel like I have one toe on the one step of a very large humongous ladder 😟 oh well after 10 years I might be able to order a coffee in japanese😂 😂😂😂😂
い → かっ（変わり）
I wonder if it is good that you pronounce the wrong options. Hearing the wrong option might be counter productive
絶対じゃなかった米国人だけど、アメリカ人です。やっぱりこのような英国人じゃありアメリカ人でした。
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‐た 助動詞
‐た past tense suffix
So basically, you don't want to make both parts negative because (to help me remember, anyway) two negatives make a positive (like in math)...or even two wrongs don't make a right? LOL. That was the idea that popped into my head while watching this.
2 pasts don't make a past I guess would make sense. haha
Funnily enough, in Japanese you CAN do double negatives.
楽し くな くない is a perfectly logical conjugation. =)
この動画が楽しいでした！😮
冗談です！😂😂
君の冗談は面白いでした！
笑！
見てくれてありがとうございます！
huh
「楽しいでした」はちょっと可愛い。もっとも「幼児っぽくて」という言葉が付いちゃうけど。
hello andy
Hello Jamz. You're fast! =)
@@ToKiniAndy Yep :) lol
WHY CAN YOU ADD DESU MAN
Learning Japanese or how to internally scream at every lesson
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見てくれてありがとうございます！
This is another proof why you shouldnt speak as a beginner, to not internalize these big mistakes.
時々活用語が楽しくない
:'(
Please stop using meme plz 😬🤓
Damn, putting anime in this video. Here's the titles:
1) One Punch Man (my favourite anime)
2) Re:Zero
3) Gundam
4) Gabriel DropOut
5) KonoSuba
I love conjugating adjectives🥲
And it's not hard to pronounce at all. 😶