Does the OnePlus 12 have a Stacked Camera Sensor? Is the Open Camera Better? CONTROVERSY!
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This channel really is a breath of fresh air in the Smartphone RUclips space
I agree!
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@@Gmr239 Bro I wish 😂
Ya I love how Juan treats his videos as conversation starters, whereas other tech youtubers create their content in a "final word" way
@@fraghead9813 What if I don't know what? 😅😅
This kind of test can be tricky because the same nominal ISO setting may not translate to the same conversion gain on the sensors. The 2-layer design is supposed to have a larger full-well capacity and thus better highlight retention at the same conversion gain.
And MAYBE we see some of that in action on the fur, but then it would come at the expense of a slightly darker overall scene and more visible chroma noise? Those don't sound like upgrades to me.
The gap between the 12 and Open is alot less than the gap between the S23 Ultra and Fold 5
Most reviews are just paid commercials. This is why good testers are gold.
LYT-808 is a conventionally stacked sensor, only the LYT-T808 has the new 2-layer transistor pixel technology, which increases the fwc (full well capacity of the sensor) and reduces noise. Oneplus made the aperture slighlty larger on the 12 to help with noise but the fwc still looks better on the Open; Notice the white area between the dog's eyes at 4:04 , it is clipped on the 12 while it remains properly exposed on the Open. The importance of this discussion is to educate people about the difference in these two sensors, not an attempt to stir up any controversy. OP12 is a great phone with a very capable camera and no one can deny this.
The clipping is exactly what we would call user error, just remember the exposure are on full manual
ISO & SS were matched on both cameras, yet the 12 clipped and the Open didn't.
Clipping is the signal when photodiode gets the maximal number of photos it can take, and by itself is not a good metric for good or bad of a sensor. A proper signal-to-noise ratio would be much more helpful, but that's not what was presented in the video.
Doesn’t look clipped to me, you can adjust it easily, no big deal in real world use.
It's not about that. It's about finding what this new technology can do. Marginal or not, there does seem to be a difference in these two sensors. That doesn't mean the 12 is bad or anything, I'm just interested in knowing how they are different.
Best phone camera channel on youtube !
This channel needs to be cherished.just an actual true review and comparison.not a paid commercial
At the moment i'm really not satisfied with the camera form the OP12...often the picture is blurry and detail-less
I think people are just picking nits. The Open is a much more expensive phone and it's pictures should be ever so slightly better. Right?
Definitely material like this is why i have subscribed. Very meaningful discussion in a sensible presentation
S24 Ultra is about to get a major update. OnePlus 12 got theirs a few days ago. There needs to be another showdown as the update for the OnePlus 12 seems to have major improvements. Adding UHD60 HDR was a big surprise!
Kinda ridiculous that we need laboratory tests to determine the capabilities of a smartphone camera, when you think about it.
But then, how are we to differentiate them (specially in mid-year refreshers) pointing at the same mundane objects we see every day?
It's a delicate balance, surely, between "it's a phone camera! What do you expect from it?" and "these devices cost ~1000 bucks! they SHOULD take great pictures!"
So I guess the answer is: it depends on the user. As always.
Did any of this made sense?
I think i get you.
My preorder showing it's gonna arrive tomorrow can't wait. Great early bday present
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
the level of detail and R&D that you have done for this sensor is top notch keep going
Can anyone tell me how this camera compares to the cameras on the S21 ultra?
Well done, what a great technical content we have here! however I think that just one comparison photo between the two smartphones is not enough. I mean, this video would have been perfect if you had compared the .dng files in multiple scenarios, since you have both phones.
A theoretical video is interesting and useful, but some practical comparison is always welcome
The main issue being addressed is light. Other differences like color tone and processing would be comparing the SOC and the ISP and differences in software. When the difference in light is MAYBE a quarter stop in a strictly controlled setting with locked exposure values, I don't see much value in doing a ton of tedious samples. Especially when otherwise, the two perform so close, most folks would have trouble discerning the differences without me labeling the shots.
@@SomeGadgetGuy I fully understand, thanks for the reply. My "criticism" arises from the fact that it is really rare to hear about smartphone photography from the technical side, and sometimes it would be nice to see some analysis of the raw files. You would be able to.
Maybe it's pointless to compare the two smartphones because they are very similar, but the fact is that if you don't buy them you don't know how they behave when shooting in raw.
It makes no sense for me knowing that the OP12 shoots like the Open, if I don't know how the latter behaves either...how can I get an idea if no one shows photographic examples?
That being said, I think you do a nice job with the channel, don't get me wrong. Keep it up, mine are just thoughts as a (new) follower and amateur photographer ahah
But if you break it down like that Juan how can you frame it as controversy and betrayal for that sweet sweet SEO?
But I put "controversy" in the title! I want all that sweet sweet drama traffic!
How does the One Plus 12 differ from the X7 Ultra?
that one has a larger main sensor 1.0 and longer zoom range
A quick run through about the major sensor innovations in the last decade and their impact on image quality.
FSI to BSI gave about a stop improvement in DR and noise, especially in higher resolution sensors since the circuitry was moved out of the path of light. This is why the higher resolution= worse low light is not true anymore.
Stacked BSI sensors were actually a downgrade in image quality by about a stop due to half of a pixel being occupied by a transistor but brought incredibly fast sensor readout speeds.
This dual layer sensor tech actually brings the light sensitivity and DR back in line with BSI sensors while also being incredibly fast to read out.
Yeah I could have broken the history down a bit more, but doing this all from memory in front of the camera, the video was already long enough just getting to a basic low light test.
What about the 4th small senser on the OnePlus 12
So..... what's the next nitpicking thing on the agenda?! Cuz we really need to justify the 500€ diff guys!!
Oh it's oneplus. There's ALWAYS a group ready to nitpick it to death.
I love my OnePlus 12 it's the best phone I've had in a long time The last phone I have was iPhone 12 pro Max I had it for 3 years and coming from iPhone to Android I started it out with the Google Pixel 7 pro I didn't like it it heated up didn't have no power Good cameras but I want more than just good cameras so I seen the reviews and got the OnePlus 12 and it has been the best phone I have had I love it people can hate on it all they want it is a great phone the best battery life I have ever had on the phone it is a powerhouse with a new update the cameras have gotten better they take better pictures than my iPhone 12 pro Max I love it but that's just me
Hey! Glad to hear you're digging the new phone 👍
Guys, can you help me, which one i should get, OP12 or Honor Magic5 Pro, with different price slightly OP12 more expensive 75 usd more.
Magic5 Pro is last year with 3 years software update and 5 years security update.
But OP12 with Gorilla Glass Victus 2.
But Magic5 Pro have very good camera.
For gaming 8 Gen 3 and gen 2 for me, im not a hard core smartphone gaming.
What do you guys think?
I got the OP 12. Everything about this model is just premium, including the software support of 4 years. Their after sales service is also more dependable than Honor. At least here in India.
The type of technical content I love
I blame Sony just as much as OnePlus. They could have labeled their sensors any way they like but they deliberately made the model numbers close and marketed them together. Sure, they may end up performing similar in the end, but if they aren't the same they could just get different model names. It's not like they are running out of numbers.
You would think that they would just use the same exact cameras across both phones.
@SomeGadgetGuy I use an app called Vysor to interact with my phone on my PC (as I am disabled). For this reason I need USB debugging to be enabled at all times to allow this app to work. Some years ago I was helping a friend fix his Oppo & I noticed that USB debugging would switch of regularly & would need to be re enabled. So I would like to know whether Oxygen OS has this same feature or whether USB debugging will stay enabled until I choose to turn it off. Thanks.
Great video. And very informative.. I have a new wrinkle in my Brain. Tech videos do get caught up in spec sheets and not real world ACTUAL photo performance
Daily drivering? 😂 Although I only recently found your channel, I love your take and honesty on tech. Great job, my friend.
If both op12 and op open were the exact same price what one would you pick?
Open.
@@SomeGadgetGuy ok so I'm having a hard time choosing..the OnePlus open or the oppo x7 ultra?
@@SomeGadgetGuy I have the pixel 8 pro. I want the best camera between oppo And open. I only look at my photos from my device so maybe take that into consideration. I'm really town and I know you've used both
The oppo find 7 pro boosts the Sony LYT 900, a sensor so powerful it would put the LYT 808 to shame 😂
I'm surprised people even noticed considering most "techies" seem to focus still on the size of the sensor alone and don't even know what a Lytia sensor is.
Good video. People get worked up over the smallest of things.
Literally in this case, the letter "T"...
I mean in a way it's good that they come from the "tech fan" or "enthusiast" field, as many represent the (much hated concept of the) "average consumer" POV and can give you a simple, unencumbered opinion about a device... But things have been becoming increasingly technical for quite some time now! We ALSO need conversations of a higher level, more scientific, more specific. And it's not an "either/or" issue, all manners of methods should coexist and complement each other.
Oneplus did pulled a fast one on us 😂. I'm talking about all those fake nits 😂😂😂. All 4500 of them.
Hi Juan, from the pictures you posted and compared it seems that Oneplus12 gets better exposure with lower noise than foldable Open. Is it true?
In this specific low light test, we can see there are slight differences in base iso, and I believe the OP12 produced the better shot.
I'm not trying to make a claim tho, that the OP12 is better in all situations.
More, folks concern about the missing "T" in the camera name are probably overblowing the differences, and real world shooting is going to be VERY similar.
Just subscribed you please brother make a comparison with base i phone 15
Are there still phones that has a front camera like mi 9t thats not a foldable phone?
Last pop up camera was the LG Wing?
Woah thats one gimmicky phone just looking at thumbnails. Thanks!
4+ years in and the pop-up on my (now my GF's) 9T Pro goes up and down smoothly like the first day. I believe all fears of degrading motors should be clear now! Pop-up cameras should still be a thing.
Thank you Juan for explaining the camera sensor tech in such a simple language. I've no doubt after watching your other videos that OnePlus 12 has an excellent still camera. However, the quality of the video recording on this phone might be a deal breaker for me. In the samples that I saw on other RUclips channels, the video stabilization at night seems to be causing artifacts and a bit of a jello effect. Also, while recording video, when switching from the main lens to the telephoto lens, there is a big jerk and a change in the angle. Could you please confirm if you see the same?
so many people don't get the aperture thing, the combination of the f1.6 aperture with the almost 1" sensor still turns the honor magic 5 pro into one of the best raw bokeh cannons.
Excellent, Juan. You're educating me at just the right time since, my 12 will be here in a couple of days. And, I WILL be comparing the two. Of course, I could 'almost' get it. Kind of. Thanks.
Its the snark. I love the snark. Its petty but not overdone.
I appreciate you thank you man seriously thank you You're the only one holding up and have a video of the OnePlus open next to the OnePlus 12 I thought these phone reviewers was going to pull out the open while they were reviewing the 12
This is what sets you apart from all the other so called reviewers
Great video about the OnePlus phones
subscribed because of something new rather than just a review.
Thank you for being unbiased!!
Really comprehensive, super interesting.
I found something shady on OP12 , the ultra-wide camera sensor is a IMX581 , there's no information on this sensor except it was used on OP11 and A Reno 7 from 2021 . Seems like a pretty old sensor . Is the OP 9 Pro ultrawide IMX766 better than a 2024 OP12 ?
I'm not sure why that would be shady, but yes, the OP9 Pro had a better ultra wide, and supported 4K120 from the main camera, but the OP12 is better in pretty much every other way. We pick and choose features, and moving camera sensors around is one way to shift costs. If the focus is enabling a MUCH better telephoto, and using Sony's newest LYT main camera, we can handle a small compromise on the ultrawide sesnor size.
Its different. The main camera from Oneplus12 is LYT 808. The Oneplus Open is LYT T808, a higher tech which supports double-layer transistor pixel technology.
He did say that in the video
One has T the other has TT😎
Juan, what kind of case do you have on the OnePlus 12? Thoughts?
Oh it's not fancy. It was LITERALLY the first case available on Amazon, as we had the phone under embargo. amzn.to/3HLV0dB
just subscribed
Hi Juan. I got my OP12 ordered and i am looking for clear case. Just wondering, what clear case are you using for your OP12?
mine is NOT fancy. It was literally the first that was available on Amazon. amzn.to/4bnJdQw
nope
The stacked sensor tech is pretty interesting since we can get comparable photo quality to larger sensor without needing a bigger sensor. Software still plays a big part but at least we can finally say goodbye to mega camera bump in the long run. That's probably the best evolution of sensor tech to come out since image stacking.
Ah we will keep that. They will use big stacked sensors. Trust me. :D
Do you think the SoC has anything to do with the difference in the pictures?
Maybe the difference in metering, but that's also the biggest change to master mode, is different control over white balance and tone.
Which case are you using on the OnePlus 12?
Literally the very first case we could order on Amazon while we were still under embargo
amzn.to/42rSN0z
Heck yeah good to see you friend
Hey, thank you for the video was really interesting even though I have to admit, I watch these tech videos but I’m not very proficient using the cameras on these phones to their potential.
Oh it's not whether you're "proficient". These cameras are now good enough to really grow with the user. As long as you're having fun shooting with them, you're learning every time you pick them up, and getting better every time you shoot. There's no "finish line".
@@SomeGadgetGuy Thanks man for the encouragment .
Great work as always!
What about annoying lens flare while recording video?
On the 12 or open?
@@Ollieisskaxxx 12
What case is it on the Oneplus 12?
LOL it's not fancy. Literally the first case that was available on Amazon when I got the phone pre-release amzn.to/49gQ1NS
no. not all lyt sensors are stacked
You need to let Sony know. They released the one pager saying all the sensors are stacked. I think they'd be really interested in your assessment.
@@SomeGadgetGuy when i say "stacked" i mean "2 layer transistor stacked". yes all lyt sensors are conventional stacked. but few of them are 2 layer transistor stacked which makes a big difference
So Open has better camera sir?
from the sample pics it looks better imo
@@DRcatscratch I mean is it worth the extra 600 for camera improvement
Open has the more expensive camera.
@@SomeGadgetGuy even if it is expensive is it worth the price difference for THAT specific amount of quality difference. Yes I want a great camera but if the difference is less than 5% I'd rather not?
Hey Juan what phone company is the closes feeling to an LG? Between Oneplus or Google?
Yeesh. There's nothing quite like an LG. In terms of hardware, probably Sony. In terms of software, maybe Vivo?
Ngl i have been noticing the one plus hate trend, even tho the op12 is packed with great features and almost the best price range, PPL are still trying to defame it comparing its camera to evey pro or ultra end smartphone 👀 which cost above 1000$ , for the price range op12 is in the camera is more than sufficient for any daily user
You can always tell a comparison is stacked when they talk about Samsung trade in deals and not OP sales and trade ins.
The open haa fine cameras for a foldable
The Open was a solid shooter for ANY phone last year.
finally someone who took the " effort" to open the Lytia website and read the f**in table.... All Lytias are stacked and somehow there are youtubers claiming the 808 is not... blows my mind... Great job. there should be more channels like this.
Someone sent me the presser as proof that SONY SAID the sensors weren't stacked. Then I highlighted "stacked cmos" on every tier, and I got a contrite "Oh... I didn't see that".
Still hasn't stopped folks (even in this video) claiming that the sensor isn't stacked.
No. Lyt is new name scheme. It does not mean dual layer pixel transistors
Lyt900, 700, 600 and 500 are not dual layer like lyt800/T808
Kind of confusing for me how stacked sensors function. Do they allow for a smaller sensor but similar light absorbing capabilities. What has a shallower depth of field. I prefer filming my kid with the whole the whole scene in clear view even when i film close up but ultra wide lenses are typically not as strong in lower light and the video becomes soft and hard to watch when i show the videos on our tv. Seems like the stacked sensor might solve my problem and i can just use the main sensor.
Man im really liking the OP12 but not sure about the trade in from the S23U. I can get it for 350 CDN (261 USD) with the pre order and Trade in. What would you guys do?
I feel like it depends on how much you paid for the S23. The phone is barely a year old, so if you're feeling cash conscious, I would save the money and get more out of your S23. As great as the OP12 is, it's not exactly a flat upgrade over the S23 Ultra. I'd only go for the OP12 if it solves problems you're having with the current phone, like you have to have better battery life and charging speed, or you can't stand the Samsung OS.
Absolutely not. The S23U is a superior phone. Also, when you purchased it, you probably paid twice of what you'll pay for the OP12 today. So why would you trade it in for so less in return?
That's a tough one. If you REALLY use the features on the Note23, then the OP might be a bit of side or downgrade, but if you're not really using Dex or S-Pen, then the OP is kind of a monster. Better screen, charging, battery, and a really close camera fight (minus the sunlight only super telephoto on the Note).
I'd maybe see though if you can sell it used, and if you get a better price for that than doing a trade in though.
3x on op12 is also much better than 3x s23u
@@severjanin5218 The video recording of OP 12 seems to be very bad in low light. Also, the lens switching does not seem to be smooth at all while recording video.
Hello what better s23U vs OP12