Repairing a 20 Year Old Rheem Heat Pump!
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- Опубликовано: 21 май 2024
- In this video I return to the system that had a leak where tow pipes had rubbed together! #hvacguy #hvaclife #hvactrainingvideos #hvac #airconditioner #hvactechnician #furnace #hvactroubleshooting #heatpump #hvacinstall #leakrepair @ruud #skilledtrades #bluecollarpride #vatodeclimatizacion
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Sweating in a drier that close to the TXV can be detrimental. Applying heat sink gel, or wrapping the TXV with a wet rag just makes sense.
Yeah crazy how much heat he got and brazing like that next to txv 🤣
Brush on and heat sodder gel get where you can not see!
You could see that rad covered in dried grass so a third of cooling compromised taking off the covers and doing it properly is another job adding to bill ,service seems to have been ignored on this old installation,hence it's cost them more to run then if service had been done.
Man that thing was dirty!!!😅
I was at a job yesterday and the guy told my customer he needed new equipment he couldn’t get the unit to run . He had wired the capacitor wrong and when I turned, the unit on the fan was running backwards I rewired the capacitor the right way, and the unit came on and is running fine. No need for new equipment ya baby
No parts required!
Probably did it on purpose so he could sell a new unit.
@@1985230ce yeah right I wouldn’t doubt it
I didn't think that was going to happen. I guess it is still cheaper than a new install, if it holds up for a while. Nice work
Thanks
I never make negative comments but this $2000 repair gives new meaning to the old phase Highway Robbery.
A voiceover explaining what you are doing, kind of gases being turned on and off, etc would give you a wider audience for your videos. You do a great job having the camera pointed at what you are doing.
This isn't supposed to be a tutorial. You do a great job at bitching about content you're not paying for.
I have had mutiple Rheem units lasting over 35 years. They were built like tanks back in the day.
Not this one. This model is a lemon.
@@STho205 Yup nailed it on the head... Only been over 20 yrs running... Replaced the caps and had to repair a line that rubbed against another component. If my eyes don't know what a lemon looks like, they sure do now!
you don't know how often this thing has been repaired. I had one on a property that had to be repaired every 2 to 3 years for it's life. It chewed through capacitors regularly, overdrew power, loud as hell even when new, burned out a blower fan twice, the top fan once....and the coil lines also wiggled and rubbed on each other causing leaks that got brazed and refilled three times.
Being a Pkg unit it is hard to replace with anything better as only a couple of companies make them...and then brand names get riveted on. Most Pkg units are crap built for old mobile homes, school portables and construction trailers
To put in a competitive traditional unit a complete re-ducting gut job is needed to the house...as well as finding an air closet for the inside handler. This is why people keep patching it. The $6000 duct work atop a new $4000 unit.
As to this job, He's awfully high as it is a 1 yr patch....but he was really trying to sell one of 2 or 3 new unit quotes (likely over $8000 each). The $2000 repair was to nudge him. However he didn't have the cash or will to drop another $10k on this aging house....so he got it repaired and agreed to the quote
If someone tells you they'll pay $2000, few AC companies say ..ahhh kidding, it's just $500
@@joshcade918 if good multizone mini splits existed 40 to 25 years ago, then these underhouse bad duct units should have never been installed in old houses that didn't have ducts originally.
I gotta say that you really keep your tools & equipment well organized!
Other than the compressor, evap & condenser coils and motors, I can't see the need to replace an entire unit just because it's 20 years old unless parts aren't available. I would have to budget $100/mo to cover the cost of two heat pump units for my home. Probably a little more to account for 15 years of inflation. In my previous home, I paid $3000 for a roof top heat pump. I never had it serviced. To maintain the 10 year warranty, I had to have it serviced 2x/yr (cooling & heating seasons). I didn't have it serviced. That saved me $50 x2 per year on service costs. It finally failed in its 11th year. Cost of repair $495. My current home with two heat pumps needed 2 motors and two capacitors over the 20 years we've been living in the homo. Annual service would not have prevented those failures. I keep the filters changed and the coils clean.
Positive pressure when sanding. That hole was big enough for debris to enter the system.
He set up his nitrogen purge before he started sanding.
To everybody complaining about the money, nobody made the customer agree to the repair. He could have shopped it out, got three different estimates, and still went with this guy. Maybe that's the going rate in his area, yes it seems a little pricey, yes I'm not sure I would have put the money into it, but at the end of the day it's not my money. So everybody is simply relaxed and enjoy the work.
Glad to see that you were able to patch that up and get it running again.
I'm so happy that you did this for the customer.
Best tools in the business. Sure enjoy watching you. I almost try to climb through my screen to help sometimes lol😅. Especially on those self tapping screws mounting those capacitor straps 😂
me too. I had to jump forward a couple of minutes during that. I couldn't look, it was too painful.
I've been running a 4 ton R22 unit without a dryer for 12 years. Worse, the people who installed the new condenser unit never evacuated the system. They just blew some nitrogen through it and charged it with R22. I expect failure any day, so I got one of those portable AC units, so I don't die waiting to get it replaced when it does go out. I noticed that it wasn't level, but decided that trying to level it after years of running the scroll compressor like that might mess it up, or crack the copper lines going into the brick wall. So I left it alone, remembering the saying, 'If it ain't broke, don't fix it'.
Once the capacitor running the fan motor failed while I was cutting the grass. The motor got so hot that it boiled off the water when I first tried to hose it down. That was about 6 years ago, and the motor is still running. It was made in India. They made a good motor !
They most likely sweeped it with R-22 instead of pulling a vacuum.
Nice repair Curtis, this will keep it running for a few more years 👍 Au
Hope so
Tough place to braze. Had an old hand back in day tell me "Solder down and braze up". Took me a few time to get the hang of it, but way better . You get the hidden part done first, before eyes are watering from the brazing fumes.
Good video ! Rheem units - nothing better !!! curtis - anything under 299 is ok on old r-22 systems remember head was 30 over in those days.
Great job keeping that running Curtis!
Nice work Curtis. Another one brought back.
Thanks
Very funny everybody has an opinion you doing the right job keep giving it an option
Why didn't you use a two-way filter made for a heat pump?
Nice save on an old unit Curtis.👍👍🇨🇦
Thanks 👍
New units cost less than 1/2 on energy cost to run
As a residential roofer over 33 yrs , yes the price exactly right. When we disturb or move these old units causing damage to the lines.
Now they have at least 2 degrees less cooling capacity. I just hate those replacements but they are necessary for jobs just like this. The cost of R22 would not have made sense to use. Great work as usual.
For what he charged to repair that unit, he should have put R22 instead of R438a. If I'm not mistaken, the repair quote was $2000 ! Way overcharged for that repair, in my opinion !
@@justincrafton6105 Not sure if it is in my area... A new neighbor thought they got a wonderful deal on an entire replacement of their HVAC system, ductwork and all, for 20k. Their current system was functioning too... But apparently they decided to shop around and replace everything anyway after moving in. Fascinating, isn't it.
Enjoyed watching!
Nice 😊 work 😊
Great job on the fix!!
Thanks 👍
great job
Thanks
0:58 I guessed a jbweld fix. Of course I could be wrong 😂
Tech tip for the hoses appion makes a plastic threaded piece that will keep it clean.
Idk if anybody else has mentioned it but I appreciate the fact that your always changing/improving your work bags etc , I’ve been disliking my Victor tote & been looking for an alternative , ima give what your using a try.
Awesome videos , I enjoy watching on my lunch break sometimes 🔥
Your knowledge is impressive
curtis please wear gloves you know what they say neglected infected disconnected LOVE YOUR VIDEOS
What?
Good video Mr Curtis
Thanks
I did like the video. Nice work man.
Great job under this situation just want to know could you not find any other location to place the dryer and the discharged line
That is very sweet nitro regulator.. Good job in a very tough spots.
Can someone please explain why this repair cost $2,000 ?
I’m not an HVAC guy but I assume labor was about 2 or so hours total for about $300, parts of $50 or so and the rest Freon cost. Freon had to be completely refilled and Freon is never cheap.
Finding a leak, welding a leak, vacum and charging the unit. These repairs are not cheap. 2000 is a fair price.
I'm in los angeles California area.
Most companies will just try to sell you new equipment for $20,000.00 dollars
@@CarlosTorres-tf6il Bullshit. There should be a labor rate per hour and looks like this guy's rate was over $400.00 an hour. R22 replacement refrigerant costs about $30.00 a pound so at most $300.00 for that system. Total ripoff. Ignorance on the homeowners part for agreeing to that price.
@@robertwittenburg614330 a pound for refrigerant really... R22 has been discontinued its in short supply
I never understood why people don't maintain their outside units
Just worked on the same unit but had an audibly leaking evap. Customer wants to replace it…
I say anything below 1000 microns is good. I was taught 500 in school but when I replaced some trane compressors they would say anything below 1000 is good 🤷♂️
do you wear shaded glasses for brazing? should i as someone new in the field
what tool bag model is that for the torches?
Sometimes it is nice to bring the old unit back to life. They r built like tanks.
Great video good job I'd like to know what you did after that head pressure was going up
I realize that the leaking areas need to be cleaned, but are there particles getting into the pipes? If so, do they need to be cleaned out? If so, how does this happen?
It’ll live a few more years ! What was your torch tip ?
Good job my friend! What camera do you use , video quality very good.
GoPro 12
no superheat or subcooling?
Great job and video as well. What was the last part you installed like you inserted a cylinder in a pipe. Why install it if it wasnt there originally?
Thanks for sharing with the world
15:13 - Oooh! _That_ doesn’t sound good!!
Nice job Curtis I guess you must put a little more MO 99 in as a replacement for r 22 to compensate for the capacity loss or put the factory amount in first of the mo99 to get the system running then add the amounts of extra mo99 as needed until the pressures and temps read like it did when it had r 22 in it and sweats back properly. While monitering the high and low side pressures.
Also I hope mo99 is not one of the refrigerants bieng phazed out I know 407 c is and honestly if the custumer wanted to pay extra you could have dumped out the mineral oil and replaced it with poe 32 and put 407 c in it but the again what refrigerant would have made a good replacement for that unless mo 99 can work with poe oil. They just made it too complicated when the switch to 410 a happened when they should have just switched to 407c and instructed hvac techs to dump out the mineral oil and replace with poe and flushed out the linesets and evap coil then vacaum for 40 minutes to remove the residual flush solutions and replace the receiver dryer or filter I see you replace often on the linesets just like when the switch on cars happened in 1994 from r 12 to 134 a and Curtis the instructions on cars were dump out all old mineral oil flush linesets out flush the condenser and evap using nitrogen or compressed air and flush solution until it comes out clear the add Ester oil to compressor and new reciever dryer. Then hook up vacaum out system for 40 minutes then let sit for 20 minutes to make sure it held the vacaum the charge up with r 134 a and those same concepts should have been applied to residential hvac not all this extra mumbo jumbo and use this refrigerant that refrigerant it's about what works. And converting should have been done 15 years ago.
Not like what's happening now anyway good job as usaul
It almost always takes a little more than factory charge. That’s just a starting point.
@@HVACGUY thanks Curtis as I am considering maybe studying for hvac and taking the tests just so I can do my own stuff in my condo community. But first I need to finish getting this lyme desease out of my body which could take several months as it had went after my eyesight which is now really starting to come back but also ended up rupturing my ear drum which is still healing and caused a lot of swelling and inflammation in my feet and all over my body. I just wish more techs were like you and took the time to do just do what the custumer needs and wants without pushing constantly new systems on them. As they can't always afford them right away.
Whats your subcool (TEV system)? Whats the point of having a four port manifold if your purging refrigerant? Where is your scale? Also installing a biflow drier per most units should be on mixed gas side in heating mode. You now will run her starved on gas in the highest compression ratio mode of that unit. Last please wrap the TEV with a wet rag.
Maybe someone knows yesterday on a 7 year ago Lennox had to have the air handler blower motor replaced. The new motor spools up or starts low then goes to full speed. Is this now normal on new motors.
You guys complaining about the repair. This refrigerant costs more than gold these days.
Curtis what brand of camera or type do you use for your video?
GoPro 12
So that unit come from the factory without a filter dryer?
Yes
There was a alcohol could be added yrs ago when a dryer was impossible dont know about today legal w new refrigerants
Another Great repair under
your belt and bucks in your pockets.
Repair made by the GEORGIA EXPERT OF HVAC.
Hope that lasts a while for them, sure isnt what id want with a system that old but old stuff was made better so, he may get a lot out of it. Curtis gets paid either way so 😁
Could use a cleaning too.
i had this exact same thing happen to me about 10 yrs ago and only paid $175 for new cap, splice, and refrigerant (line already had a dryer) and haven't needed another service call since. sitting here right now enjoying cold air conditioning. now i KNOW inflation didn't jack things up to $2k in 10 years.
as for the dryer, why in THE HELL would ANYONE put in a one-way on a bi-directional system? this is not a job done right the first time. this is a job done half-assed by someone that even admits in the video it's wrong.
overcharging for a half-assed job is bad ethics. i never subscribed , but i can tell youtube to not show me vids from this channel.
You do know that you can put some lab grade alcohol in your charging line as you add coolant and it will aid in preventing icing inside a line that has been open to the air and had to be resealed? I've seen that done many times in south Mississippi. It must be pure alcohol, the purest. It prevents the drier from clogging with ice.
What kind of alcohol?
@@1985230ce 99% Isopropyl Alcohol just fill your hose on the low side and fit back onto your gauges. Open the line and fill with coolant.
2k for 2 hours of work -Thats more than a plastic surgeon gets.
A portable shop-vac would be handy... and a bud light girl to keep you cool in that hot weather.😁
Looked like a bi flow dryer, so why would it only work in cooling mode? I like the fix, for some reason I thought you would cut out and put new pipe in. I guess the nitrogen keeps it from going in the pipe.
I watch a lot of your videos, yesterday you said it was a 2,000 dollar repair. I'm just trying to figure how you justify that price. Parts and misselanius expendables your cost giving a wide margin for error 400 dollars. 60 percent mark up total 640 dollars service call 175 dollars? 4 hours labor?? Doesn't seem to add up.
Cause when you run a business you have more thing to pay for. You got van maintenance, gas oil tires, you got insurance for your business and your self. There a lot you don’t understand until you run a business and understand why we charge what we charge.
If he did that job for 1000 or less. He ain’t make any money.
All I know is I was a service Manajer in a Ford dealership for 50 years. If we made 40 % on parts and 150 dollars per hour on labor we were living large!!! And people call dealerships crooks!!! I was in the wrong profession!
@@chuckmayerchak3071 you sit in ac all day and we’re suit, not much to do selling a car. We work hard in heat and way more then you think. Most people can’t last doing our job
3 hours labor at 150/hr is 450. 50 in parts. 200 for freon at most. 50 trip charge. 750 to 1000. you must be a pretty good salesman. I have run a carpentry and a handyman business for the last 10 years and this seems like a rip to me. I know we need to make money but we don't have to make it all on one job.
Some times an old evaporator will begin leaking after you pull the system into a vacuum. The coil has been at positive pressures for years and the copper turns can’t take the contraction that the vacuum creates. Make sure the customer understands this can happen when making the decision to repair or replace!
man you need to use a number 2# tip and 7/11 on your oxg and cet
What is his torch tip?
How much of the $2k was profit?
He quoted $2000 to fix this. It is ridiculous what HVAC people charge for a few minutes of work, regardless of their expertise. He has two capacitors and a brazed pipe in this job.
I'm hoping that was 2000 to replace the compressor and lines or something. Hopefully it wasn't 2000 to patch the holes in existing lines.
He should have clean all the pine needles out
That ought to last a *_Long_* time! 😉
I hope so!
$2,000.00 for braising two tubes and charging the system? 😮
Hmm... I assumed you would replace the damaged tubing rather than fill the holes with solder. ???
Not solder,a brazed welded repair
@@daddygc5814 sure.
Sometimes.....Less is more.
Why did you not use a bi directional filter?
I did
Looked like it had a bidirectional arrow on the dryer.
@@HVACGUY that’s not what I heard in your comments ?
@@peterking1134 Normally heat pumps use 2 TXVs, one at the evap and one at the condenser, giving you a line that is always liquid which you can install the filter/dryer in. This unit, however, uses a single TXV that meters in both directions. This means for one direction (cool, in this case) the filer/dryer is going to be on the wrong side of the TXV and thus is going to see a mix of liquid and vapor instead of just liquid.
For that kind of money I would install a mini split with solar and get free AC.
You have no idea how expensive that would be. none. Splits are super expensive installed. Not counting solar expense..
What’s the cost per pound of the MO99?
How dirty that was probably should have used a proper cleaner
Ahh stress cracks. I wonder why he didn't run 3psi dry nitrogen through the system while brazing?
I always replace the filter dryer.
Sometimes two of them.
Burns arm on hot pipe = badge of honor! lol
He did flow nitrogen while brazing...
@@markbeiser Sorry but I didn't see him hooking it up.
Ain't yar supposed to wear latex coated gloves when connecting and disconnecting them fittings? Oh, and yeah, a bud light girl to keep you going in that steamy weather.
Curt not trying to be mean but looks like a 3 year old did that braze job
Maybe removing the side cover would have resulted in a better job.
Woah, I guess half the cost was that R22 eh?
He used a substitute refrigerant, blue can much cheaper very reasonably priced.
@@chuckmayerchak3071 Well that's good to know, in case I have to recharge anything ancient. Also holy crap, I need to put my skills to work if that's 2 Gs worth of work! Could do that while sleep walking.
Of course I realize that the gas/parts were part of it, but....
Lol. You need to change Title!! You cant repair a rubout!!😅😅
just curious why wouldn’t you cut out the the bad area and splice in a new piece of tubing ? that braze will crack releasing all the freon again it’s just a better repair i would think it would only take about thee same time?
that would be a PITA to braze in...this will do just fine for a couple more years while they think about getting a new one.
I tend to do things differently than most where “PITA” doesn’t factor in my calculations when i’m working on something or where N rigging everything you work on is the norm
@@fernandobazan829 cool story
@fernandobazan829 These younger generations don't want to do anything that has a PITA factor. Work ethics have eroded over the years. Most don't know what hard work is, and have no sense of pride in craftsmanship. It's all about how fast they can turn a buck, and with the least amount of effort.... then maybe a real craftsman will come along later to correct their inadequacies. I'm glad to be retired and no longer have to follow up on these lazy techs. There used to be a reason why work was called work.
@GulfWarVet I'm 38 and I work hard every day...there's only so much you can do sometimes. That braze is not going to crack. It will be just fine. And no one is going to look at it either...if you don't agree with what he did to get them by without costing them an arm and a leg, go behind him and fix it yourself.
Did you get roasted in the Part 1 video?
A Two-Blade Fan Motor. That’s something you rarely See on an Outdoor HVAC Unit. 🤔
Really enjoy your videos! And I realize every customer financial situation is different . But are you really doing this customer right by repairing a 20 year old piece of equipment? With 0% financing up to 72 months. New equipment would be more efficient and most likely would lower their energy bills. I’ve done this type of repair on newer equipment 410a but on 22 system I would have definitely tried to sell new equipment.
Why would you spent that kind of money mending a 20 year old unit?
Unfortunately, I didn't see much I liked about this repair job. Were it me, it'd been a one and done. Got better ways to spend $2100
Like 2100 bucks was the same 5 years ago..
You don't need to slop around in garbage brother.
Make some real money. Less work, no callbacks and more money to the customer and you.
I'm now retired after 48 years in the trade and went through your phase for a couple of years. It was always harsh.
Don't do it. You are the tech and they are paying you to guide them with your total experience.
Learn to say no.
They think they are saving money by fixing such an old system. :)
Funds are sometimes the main reason n if it's repairable then repair. It'll last few more yrs
As a HVACR tech I would ask to see their last 3 months of electric bills.
If the A/C costs more than 100 bucks a month, REPLACE IT!
New unit ain't free 😂 electricity bill is lower but now you got a new bill to pay
@@ReliableHVACR Thanks for schooling me.
Guess I was an idiot in the trade for 48 years.
@@ReliableHVACR What's the year model of your service rig?
@@halverde6373 not schooling just the way you said it you prefer the money in your pocket vs the electric company, helping the customer is whatever they can afford at the time 🤷🏽♂️
@@halverde6373 was riding a 2009 last year and just got into a 2015. We buy used and they work fine as long as you take care of them
Been there done that.
20 years needs replaced due to higher efficiency .
It's not a Carrier Weather maker that can survive until the sun goes to red giant phase.
To do otherwise is screwing the customer hard, without lube.
I replaced at least 40 of them in my career after techs like you.
Sure you are skilled but stop doing that.
You make the industry look bad.
They won't call you back, ever.
Get with real honesty and not fake!
Man, I gave them the option to replace, and this is what was approved.
@@HVACGUY At that age of res machinery ,
DON'T give them an option.
Someone else will bid a replacement and you'll be the bad guy.
Sometimes you must say no, unless you are a masochist. If so, carry on brother.
@@HVACGUY I made more money when I didn't give an option and the customer made more on energy savings monthly.
Most were shocked at it.
@@halverde6373 Found the guy that was scared of fixing old equipment. Not giving the customer the option is something sales techs do and not service techs. We are here to fix equipment. Sorry to hear you went your whole career as a sales tech.
@@Alex-qo6zd sorry to hear you want your career to be a parts changer that ignores the monthly triple digit electrical cost suffered by his customer/victims.
Why did it cost $2,000 to braze a couple of pipes that rubbed together? Not trying to be snarky--serious question.
I would've put a 2 way filter
He did. 🙄
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