QUAD LOCK SMART ADAPTOR - NOT THAT SMART? I FOUND A PROBLEM
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2022
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As much as I am a Quad Lock fanboy I'm hoping my feedback will make a great product even better, or maybe they can quickly make a second version of the NEW WATERPROOF 12V TO USB SMART ADAPTOR, because it looks like I've found an issue where this version won't suit everyone.
Here's my honest unpaid review of their quite splendid yet slightly flawed product. They might have to consider developing a new version already. Watch this to find out why it won't work for everyone, unless they change something up.
www.quadlockcase.com.au/
Also see my other Quad Lock reviews including my thoughts on the wireless charging head (Mk1) and the follow up on the Mk2 which addresses all the issues I had. I have Quad Lock items in all aspects of my day to day life, car/van, mountainbikes, desk top, Quad Lock 'run' arm band, belt clip etc. I've also adapted their mounts to attach a camera to a helmet which was a superb success.
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Thanks for the video!. I couldn’t believe it when it wouldn’t switch off so had to trouble shoot the issue and this helps to understand the problem. I bought mine yesterday and fitted it today, spent time to neatly route the wires so it would look great. Will hopefully find a newer version soon to fit that one for my lithium battery model bike.
Just installed mine! So far does the job well! And looks much cleaner than my last setup! I have a regular battery.
Thanks Chris, yep, I reckon it’ll be spot on for you mate 👍🏼
yes sir! I'm with you on the new set up!
Thanks for watching mate 👍🏼😎
Just had my first Quadlock product 2 weeks ago, the simple handle bar mount, wanted the charging head but not available for mine. So fitted phone charger in right cubby hole where the TomTom Rider is connected and run the cable through with that. Certainly strong as it stayed on when I didn't. Might not be waterproof but in heavy rain phone can also fit in cubby hole so can stay dry. Good attention to detail to spot that voltage cut off with the two types of battery, nice one.
#QUADLOCK stuff is addictive mate 😁 … I have it in my van, the car, my desk, my work locker, both bikes, push bikes, belt, running arm, and more. I might do a video 😄
A year late on this, but thank you for the video! Good to know...I wondered how it was determining when to be on or off since the description doesn't make it clear. Also good to know about LiPo voltage states, will be going that route once the stock one dies.
One idea is to make a small splitter harness that plugs in line at the factory power port (cigarette lighter port), with the adapter connected to that. Another would be to see if there's an open spot in the fuse box for an accessory to use as the source since there may be one that's key dependent.
Me 2, it just dry out my battery. Didn’t know why. Just got the answer from you, thank you 🙏
Thank you. I went looking for why my charger would stop/start. Makes sense. It's because it drops below 12.5v (mine sits around 12.23v). But there's a benefit to this.... as soon as the charger stops charging, I know to pop my bike on a trickle charger. So actually, this has come in handy. Thank you!
GOOD stuff Nick, thanks mate.
Does the battery drain can prevented by switching off the only device attached to it (in my case the quadlock wireless charger head)? I can't understand how a passive device (like the smart adaptor) or a device that has been shut off can dry the battery (apologies, I am definitely not an electronics expert)
Probably worth fitting a 12v timer relay. That will shut off X seconds / minutes after power is no longer present on the trigger pin. This timer is constantly reset so when running it stays on. But when you kill power to the relay it waits for X and shuts off.
Same issues with my triumph bobber 22 running on lithium. I just manually turn it off every time I walk away from the bike and set it to auto when on the bike.
I switched to a Lithium battery because that was all I could find in the area I was in when my original battery died. Good to know why it hasn't been turning itself off.
what do you think of an africa twin lithium battery. will works?
Quad Lock for some time have 12-24V wireless charging head that is connected directly to ignition switch controled harness and you dont need this adapter. And its cheaper because charging head cost the same as this USB powered one. On my Kawasaki Z900 which have that accesory connectors under the Dash (powered only when ignition is ON), that is much better option. Also, 12,5V is not good even for AGM batteries, they have resting voltage well over 12,5V (up to 13V).
Hello I bought Quad Lock charger for my RoadKing
the charger is connected directly to the brand new lithium battery 12v 8Ah
And I have my light flashing blue and my phone doesn’t charge ?
I have the 12v -USB BLOCK with the option Automatic, Off , On
Wish I had of seen this before I bought my kit. I found this video because of this issue. I agree with you about its quality and will now have to decide if I should send it back or not..
Mate, keep it, it will still charge when you need it to and it's waterproof. I've decided to keep mine regardless of only getting 70% of the features. It's reliable power. Thanks for watching.
Use a traditional battery. This is a Lithium battery/Quadlock smart charger compatibility issue. The Quadlock is doing its job.
@@dcxplant CORRECT it is a Lithium battery/Quadlock compatibilty issue, yes. Quadlock do not specify that the voltage drop (smart) feature only works on lead acid batteries, that's why I made the video - to highlight that exact issue that it doesn't work with Lithium-Ion batteries, because they didn't. The smart charger isn't doing its job for Lithium.
Me too. Just installed on a normal battery and charger (in auto mode) stays on when motor is off
@@joffalab YEH mate, it's still decent wiring and waterproofs it but a shame it won't give us the full effect.
TY for the vid. Just fitted one of these an thought there was something broken when in fact it was just badly advertised by QuadLock.
You’re welcome Anthony. I agree mate, they haven’t quite got it right. It’s still a decent connection for the wiring etc but a shame it doesn’t work as advertised for batteries with a higher resting rate. Thanks for visiting the channel 👍🏼
I just bought this for my Benelli TRK 502 2022 you think it will work? Or should i mount it so i can reach it and turn it on and off myself
Do you have an accessory connection just connect to that and it will go off with the ignition surely??
Hello and thanks for the info. I bought the smart adaptor today, I have a lithium battery and I am I going to try it though. Two question please. a) don’t you think a quick solution would be to shut off the charger from the underneath button that’s on the charger when you are not in need of it ? b) after all those months in use what kind of solution have you adopted ? Are you leaving it on auto all the time or you are doing something else? Thanks !
Hi mate, I'm doing exactly what you suggest and still turning off with the little button on the back of the unit 🙂
It annoyed my that it didn't turn off immediately with my standard lead acid battery. I thought it sensed a charging state, not a state of charge. Perhaps they've set it too low even for lead acid batteries?
How long does it take for it to switch off? When it does work?
Mine never switched off and I have a normal battery. It was on auto as well. Now though it doesn’t work unless I put it to on. I don’t know what’s going on but it’s annoying.
Would it be fine if i turns the power off of the wireless charger?
Oh thats why it does not turn off on my Honda CB300R. I just turn off using the the button on the smart battery charger.
Guessing you would have the same issue with Oxford Heated grips, they work in the same way. Isn't just using a switched live that works when you turn on the answer?
Hi mate YEH it absolutely is the answer I now believe - yes!! This 12v USB smart adaptor would negate having to go to a switched live and will do that for people with a standard battery but not for me with my lithium battery sadly - off to the sparky I go it seems yes ;-)
I have a GTX12-4 GEL battery. I don't hope there will be any issue whit that, when I get my USB smart adapter and charger.
Hi. Does it have a fuse to protect the cable from the battery to the smart adaptor? I had this issue with the USB port. Cant believe they did not supply an inline fuse to protect the cabling.
It does mate! Yes.
Would this auto turn off on my 12V6Ah battery?
Mine stops charging when i start riding. Phone says "Device not supported".
So I have a 12v battery in my bike and it does the same thing I walked away for 30 minutes came back and it was still on. It worked fine for like 3 weeks
But… do you charge the phone when off bike frequently?
My resting voltage is 12.6 volt. I guess each bike slightly differs in design? I think you can't go wrong with wiring off the ignition!
Good stuff. What brand battery mate?
Good shit bro I have a lithium battery so you save me on that one makes a lot of sense. hopefully they make one for lithium batteries 💯
Cheers mate, I still have mine on the bike, it's a decent quality 'loom' and water resistant connection so still worth considering but just loses out on that voltage drop feature.
can't you connect the Smart Adaptor to an Ignition dependant live wire? so that the Auto feature will switch off as soon as the bike is turned off at the ignition.
This is the answer yes, shame as it's supposed to negate from having to do that but it is what it is.
What brand lithium ion battery do you have? I'm pretty sure both mine require 12V but I'll have to check.
Antigravity. It's quite cool ... ruclips.net/video/b2yBRFY2O24/видео.html
I do not own any Quad-Lock products,… yet. I am shopping for a setup on my motorcycle however. I am a seasoned electronics technician and my understanding for this auto switch is to prevent the wireless charger from draining your battery should you shut off the engine and the phone is still on the charger. This would not happen right away, it would let you charge your phone for a while and then once your bike battery drains to 12.5Vdc it then shuts off. This is intended to save power so your bike will start again later instead of having a dead battery. If you plug in your bike on a trickle charger to keep your battery fully charged, your auto switch probably will never shut off as your battery will never be at the 12.5Vdc level.
I don’t know for sure about a lithium battery, but it should still be able to start the bike at 12.5Vdc or even slightly below that. I would like to know how low of a voltage you can start the engine if you had that kind of experience already.
I am subscribing to your channel, keep the great content coming!
Hi Chris, THANKS mate. From the info I’ve had from Antigravity my battery can get to below 12v before it cuts off any further drain. Not sure the exact voltage, but it’s still capable of starting the bike. The Quadlock set up is pretty good all up. I just feel they need to make the cut off around 13 volts in this instance.
I think I could maybe run into the same problem, but not lithium battery. My triumph speedmaster needs a minimum of 12.5v to start the bike so ideally a perfect battery at 12.6 and in theory that would drain it to 12.5, maybe not quite enough power to start the engine. Surely it would be easier to go a lot higher because the engines running should always be over 13 surely.
Absolutely right mate yes. 13v for me would be ideal too.
I have a lithium battery. Would it hurt the battery if it drains it to where it goes down below 12.5 volts or would the battery stay at the 13 volts until the battery is dead?
From what I understand as long as the battery is fully recharged (decent length ride or put on a lithium specific charger) you should be okay.
This would work plugged into a DIN socket with an SAE connection as intended, wouldn’t it?
I think so Andy, however some have had heat/melting issues using their own wiring set up. I think that’s why Quadlock have designed this.
Yeah, that was exactly what I was thinking. Thanks! You saved me 30$
Glad I could help! Thanks for watching :-)
I think i have the same issue but my T7 battery is stock normal 12.4v. What happens is the QL 12v wireless charger in auto mode when i switch off the bike the QL blue led doesn’t turn off. My battery voltage only drops to 12.7 🤷🏻♂️
At least you're not going flat :-) .... the actual harness is good quality I think and still usable but the parameters are out.
What song is your outro? 😍
I also have Lithium battery... I was wondering about the auto feature... I am going to see it as is for a while and ee if it is an issue in its current state with the 12.5 cutoff... I will get back with results after a couple of weeks...
Any issue ? I have lithium as well
How's it going mate? I'm managing with mine and to be fair. Not getting a voltage drop enough for it to kick in but happy with the actual wiring quality and fitment.
Hi Quang, what bike do you have?
So can I just flip the switch to the off position and use this without worrying since I have lithium battery?
Let it drop.. do some tests with your battery. If that causes you problems then opt out.. if not let it work.. sometimes is good for the battery to change from one state to the other as it will allow for an even use. But I can see your point..
Could you not find a switch live wire then as soon as you switch off it’ll detect the drop and switch off.
YES! I could. Maybe I'll need to do that going forward, the reason I got this was to negate having to do that but as it won't detect the voltage drop, your suggestion is my next option.
You could use a resistor to lower the voltage to 12ish.
Not a resistor because you don’t know the current, but a diode. Diode will pass whatever current it needs and drop about .7 V. Zener diode can be found if you need some different drop
hi, very nice video! just one question: does it charge your phone while riding with active GPS and full screen brightness on? did you already test this scenario? thank you for your info!
It does mate yes I did a video with this exact scenario a while ago - I'll link it later.
ruclips.net/video/6w3fPJ3891g/видео.html
I have a similar problem with a regular lead acid battery. My idle voltage is between 12.8-13 volts…
I still have mine on the bike too, it's a decent quality 'loom' and water resistant connection so still worth having but just loses out on that voltage drop feature.
Just a heads up I have a iPhone 13 regular was looking for a belt clip tried the quad lock version Didn’t like it so much because your phone screen faces out I found on Amazon cases by Beltron My iPhone slides perfectly in their belt clip of an iPhone XR I tried their 13 but it was a little too snug
Hi Justin, yes the belt clip, I have one also. Agree mate.
Damn, i just installed it on my new bike & it got a lithium battery… 😢
I wish i had see your video before my installation…
@@trekkydelirium-vroom5821 still a worthy product just for the wiring quality mate. Stick it on and see how you go.
After reading a lot of these comments and noticing the dates, I'd have to assume that QuadLock has not come out with a version that will work with Lithium-ion batteries. Has anyone heard if Quadlock is doing any R&D into lithium-ion version?
Not as far as I’m aware. This product is good as far as being a decent wiring set up but the voltage drop is the sticking point still. I still have it on my bike, it’s reliable but I have to manually power down the wireless charging head.
@@TheRiderGuider That's a bummer, for I also am a quad lock junkie that uses most of their stuff.
The adapter is designed to be connected directly to the battery terminals or to a non-switched power hence the "auto" shut-off function. I think the solution to your problem is to connect the adapter to one of the switched accessory connectors located left and right under the front fairings. Once you switch the bike off, power to it will be cut, no battery drain. so no need for the "auto" function of the adapter. 🙂
By that theory, you don't need an adapter at all?
@@elmario74 The wireless charger is rated 5/9/12V but this is not what I meant. I meant you can switch off the "auto shut-off" function of the adapter and connect it to one of the motorcycle's switched accessory connector.
Nope, same problem!!@@erhard7450
Doesn’t the adapter part house the transformer that takes it from 12v to 5v?
I wish I had seen your video before I bought and installed this with my lithium battery. I don't want to take the wiring apart to remove the switch; at this point is a costly on-off switch.
Hi Scott, mine is still getting installed, it'll be waterproof and a fast charger. I'll update with responses from Quad Lock too.
You can at least turn the wireless charger off via the rubber button on the underside of the charging head directly below the blue light
Well I just looked and found out I have a “VRLA” battery.. I don’t know what that is lol, so can anyone tell me if I would be having the same problem as RiderGuide is with his Lithium battery? I was home for over an hour and saw that the light was still on..
After a bit of research I think you’ll be okay with a VRLA with this set up Nick. It’s not a lithium-ion type. I would expect it to have similar voltage to a standard lead acid battery.
@@TheRiderGuider so I called them and they asked to send a video of my set up. They said they think I have a faulty unit and are sending me another. They were quick to respond and were very nice. Fingers crossed the new one works.
Just switch the head off with the button on the back ?
Yeh but I've been doing that previously but when you forget, it drains the battery. Which is why I bought the smart adaptor, reverting to turning it off at the switch defeats the purpose of having the adaptor. The adaptor is supposed to power it down for you hence saving the battery drainage.
I have the same problem with my HD Pan America!
I jumped the gun and bought one then found your video whilst waiting for it to arrive. Doesn’t work on auto for me. Battery Lithium Ion and 13 volts at rest. I’ve asked Quad Lock for some advice. If I get any useful answers I’ll post again. For now I’ll wire it up and place the button under my pillion for easy (easier) access.
It’s still got some benefits over a standard hard wiring I reckon Rupert, thanks mate 👍🏼
So In theory, the switch still works for lithium batteries as the auto switch kicks in once the battery is drained to 12.5 which would still be enough to start the bike and then charge back up. Not ideal but the product works for lithium batteries
Yeh I think that's the situation, I'd have to let it drain to 12.5v. I need to research a bit more to see what harm that might cause long term if I were to actually let it do that (regularly). It might take a while.
@@TheRiderGuider have you noticed any long term effects of letting the battery drain down to 12.5?
@@tmoney3970 hello mate, no issues since at all. It's so far been a great addition to the bike. I do keep it on a trickle charge if I'm parked up for any length of time but that's not too often. I have one of them digital volt metres (with 2 x USB slots) plugged in to a 12v socket and I keep an eye on the voltage and to be honest I've only seen it drop 0.2 of a volt over a week even when not on charge. Generally sits at 13.2v. It turns the bike over much quicker than my original battery too. Thanks for watching.
@@TheRiderGuiderhello what the update now? Just purchased the same one, any problem draining the battery? I was thinking to tao the positive wire to my license plate light. But if you don't have any problem so far let me know. I will just leave the way it is. Thank you
Has Quad Lock responded to you on this? Was there a solution?
Sort of, in that they did respond but not with a solution. Reading between the lines I actually expect them to make a different/or updated version eventually.
Hi I just received mine today and it say the change over is effective at 13.5 v so it might be that the problem has been solved. 🤷🏻
Hope they have solved/adjusted. I think all it needed was some electronic wizardry to sort it out.
are you still using the wireless charger ?
YEH MATE, it's very good regardless. Hasn't actually let me down. Charges up even when running GPS apps etc.
has this issue been fixed, because i have a lithium battery too and quadlock tell me this device works with my battery, but i tend to believe you over some overseas bot answering my question
Not fixed as far as I'm aware Con, as I've said though, the wiring loom is still a decent piece of kit just let down by the voltage drop feature.
Just got mine all connected. Normal battery. Not working and have no idea why
Start the engine up and flick the blue switch back and forth? Is it on 'auto' or 'on'?
@@TheRiderGuider currently it’s “on”
Argh. If only I knew this before buying this product! Same issue..
Still a decent bit of wiring though. I still have mine installed. Thanks for visiting the channel ;-)
I have same problem so I'm installing an Healtech Thunderbox which is a better solution anyway.
I’ll look that up Simon 😎👍🏼
My smart battery cuts off at 12.8 so i would have to hit the restart button on my battery every time it dropped down
YES that is actually correct, I also have the Antigravity with that feature, I don't want to be having to do that every time either.
Put a resistor in series to drop it 1v.
Hi Ben, I reckon that’s worth a thought! Interesting 🤔
Would be nice if someone can do up a guide on how to install the resistors and what rating they should be. I'm not electronically trained, I used an online calculator to calculate dropping 13.1v to 12.5v (to imitate ignition off conditions) but the numbers that comes out dont make sense to me 🤣.
Maybe thats too small of a drop, I could most likely drop it from 13.1v to 12.1v come to think of it...
Scratch what i said... I'm actually watching some youtube videos explaining resistors and how to calculate them. Damn.... this is interesting haha. I should have payed attention in class during electronic lessons 😁
@@VideoMonster2 AWESOME STUFF MATE, CAN YOU PUT A LINK UP TO THE EXPLANATION ON HOW TO DO IT? WHICH VIDEO? ;-)
@@TheRiderGuider haha it's those standard explanation videos on types of resistors. I still will not try it myself, my bike may explode when I turn it on 🤭. Maybe it's a next project for u! Can make a RUclips video for it. Best to ask a mate for advice on the resistor selection and set up before trying anything 😅
did quadlock eventually reply to you?
THEY DID yeh - it wasn't an answer to the problem but an acknowledgement of it and that it wasn't worth their while to manufacture a smart adapter for lithium-ion batteries.
Mine just stop working all together waiting for quad lock to respond to my email
How did you go? They are pretty good on aftersales usually mate.
Quad lock must change it a lot. When i park my bike it is always on optimizer so it will never drop below 12.5 so it will stays on and that is not good either. Quad lock should replace the auto with the power giving to the bike like when you switch off your bike and after 15-20 seconds there is no power thats when tha automode should work. Useless for me.
Your missing the point I think... only 12 volts are needed to start your motorcycle. Lithium battery's may rest higher but this smart usb will only allow your battery to drain to 12.5 volts still more than enough to start your bike.. but yet you can charge your phone longer with ignition off. If you ask me this is even better with a litium battery.
I see your point, I've had no other issues, but not been able to activate that smart power drop off but yes I would still be able to crank my engine over.
Totally, even if they made a new version I would buy the 12 1/2 foot cut off because that means I can walk away from my bike and my phone will still charge for a while, and if the battery voltage gets to 12 1/2 it was shut off
@@TheRiderGuiderso did you leave the charger auto? I just found out I have lithium battery. Did you have any problem starting the bike?
It is totally smart. It is doing EXACTLY as it was designed to do. The clickbait title could instead be; Quadlock lithium battery warning. Just as attractive for clicks, but more accurate of a title. You don't mention anything about the issue until 1/2 way through. If you are going to attempt to game the YT algorithm at least do it decently.
? I like the title and you clicked on it regardless so I don't see your point here. I'm delighted with the 2700 views it's had too, but eh thanks for your input.
I just found this video as a result of my bike not starting after a week standing. Lithium battery cranked a few times but not enough juice to start at 12.5V…
In my view this adapter is not fit for purpose on a lithium battery and needs a switched power source to work, (which defeats its ‘clever’ design).
A big fail Quadlock, please do better and at least acknowledge the issue!!
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What's wrong with you people? You have a high quality waterproof usb outlet with a 3 way switch on it. Is it beyond your intelligence to switch it off when not in use. The auto function is a bonus but not a deal breaker. Get real.
Not a deal breaker no. Hence why I kept mine, the loom as you say is good. Just doesn’t function with the power down feature with my lithium-ion battery, which was a feature I wanted but now live without.