Loving every one of these. The algorithm tossed me your way after watching your old channel Dead Rising guides of all things, and I fell happily down an FFV rabbit hole. Can't wait to see what comes next.
@@sertiana2512 that's not why elixirs are so infrequently used. They're not used because "maybe I'll need them for a later fight" being said all the way upto the final boss. FF meming at its finest
@@sertiana2512 and yet, without fail, there's the stockpile of elixirs you've gotten since the start of the game (in ff6 for instance the very first item you can get in the game is an elixir from the clock before meeting Locke), and the number hasn't gone down at all
Hands down funniest video so far. Never thought I'd hear you pleading for a Berserker's damage to save you. The Adamantoise fight was ridiculous, not just hitting with butter knives but cheap plastic ones at that. It's interesting that this run was pretty much the polar opposite of the Red Mage one. Red Mage is only strong for the middle portion of the game and Bard struggles terribly through the middle until you get the better weapons in the end.
It may not be necessary to know now since you got through one of the hardest classes (though Adamantoise will be hard for White Mage too, I imagine) but here's a little insight into the damage formula. There are three things multiplied in the formula to determine your damage: effective attack, level, and strength/magic. (This is then divided by a high number to get it into a reasonable range). But the key here is "effective" attack. The enemy's defense is subtracted from your attack. So for Mage Masher's (31 attack) vs. Adamantoise (24 defense), you only have 6 effective attack. Grinding levels does not change that at all, it only will occasionally, at certain levels, add another 6 to the damage. I saw you hadn't equipped the Main Gauche, which would've given you an effective attack of 11. Would that have made it easy? No. But that's nearly double the damage output for whoever is wielding that dagger.
Bard is genuinely an S tier job as long as you have basically any other job along. Bards and Berserkers together hilariously outclass either alone in single class challenges
I just got the 100% achievement in FF5 last night, been playing it casually over the past couple months and man I was ready for it to be over with... Can't imagine how Wes feels about FF5 after this playlist is complete
I know this took you forever, but i am so glad that these keep coming. I don't even PLAY FF5! The commentary, strategy and well... EVERYTHING has been great in this series!
Finally caught up with this series! Amazing work Wes, looking forward to the other classes, I'm especially curious to see what Geomancer and Chemist will be like, but I'll watch everything else too.
Also download them! Just downloading a video gives it 100% watch time, even if you immediately delete it after the download finishes. Or at least it did last year, not sure if the 'sleepy time playlist' meta shift broke that, but as a fellow premium watcher it can't hurt to help.
So, between Berserker and Bard, the 2 worst jobs, kind of go opposite ways. Bards were terrible while Berserkers were pretty good first world, but they flipflop by world 3 because at least Bards can use items and get the chicken knife.
Sometimes you were saying "Bards" but I was hearing "Bartz" and I was very confused! "Bartz wore down the first flamethrowers relatively painlessly" - what about everyone else?!
Bards are a powerful class. They can make Drakenvale, the Pyramid and the Trench very easy thanks to Requiem. Also being able to stop or confuse enemies at will is great. But more than one in a party is redundant.
White mage is going to break your soul. Im doing a 4 whm run and uhhh yeah 2nd world has been an absolutely brutal hell. Can't wait to see you "enjoy" this misery.
I can 100% confirm for you that your Dead Rising guide is still mostly applicable for 72 Hour Mode and the Saint achievement on DRDR (I was able to follow your route on the Deluxe Remaster near perfectly, with some minor revisions). However, it’s not as much use for Infinity Mode anymore due to the survivor/psychopath spawns being randomized - but it’s fortunately a more balanced and reasonable game mode overall. 7 Day Survivor is far more feasible due to the save suspending/advance time features and the increased sources of food from encounters or non-unique enemies (I actually found myself having quite a bit of fun while playing it, it was now a surprisingly pleasant challenge).
@@ThePageofRageFF5 White Mage only is HARD. Using the Flail (and there's only one of them) would be their only source of damage for very, very long time.
@@alguidoemblema1534 job fiesta. Basically once a year (or more) people will roll for 4 jobs (with different variants for the rules, standard iirc is one job per crystal and no freelancer /mime) and do a challenge run where you only use those job.
There is an annual event called a Four Job Fiesta, where you are given four randomized jobs and tasked to complete FFV (with the side stuff of defeating the side bosses Omega and Shinryu). Sometimes, they can be any job. You can even have nigh-impossible jobs set like four Berserkers, or pick any class (as opposed to one per Crystal which gives decent progression).
Some of the jobs clearly exist just to compliment another job. Bard’s Sing command starts as a really solid supporter support ability. White Mage being able to regen the whole party in one round? Pretty decent. If nobody needs healing why not try Romeo’s Ballad? Also, speed affects how fast the buff songs work, so a Ninja or Thief with haste makes a great backup singer. It’s really fun seeing the ATB system become dysfunctional as you accelerate towards 255 speed.
This was always gonna be a rough one. I knew Thief and White Mage were rough starts, and then Bard comes along to replicate those starts partway through World 1. I don't know why but Red Dragons are undead. Requiem ought to have been viable, though I've never tried it. When the antlion fight goes bad, it goes real bad. I've been stuck in there a while myself. Five Giga Flares. What does one even say? I guess that I never knew !Hide had _any_ utility. This was silly and I enjoyed it! Thanks for giving Apollo's Harp a shot, possibly the least appreciated sealed weapon. I never take the Chicken Knife because who _wants_ to grind escaping for an hour? Thank you for suffering for our entertainment.
I like that the chicken knife exists, but man, I hate using it. It's more tolerable on like Ninja or Thief since you can just auto-escape but it still feels awful every time.
Zombie one with the apollo harp and reflect ring and have the a second character hide... the zombie will attack self but bounce the harp damage to Omniscient
!Sing could have been a halfway decent supporting ability for your support classes. The problem is, most of the actually useful supportive abilities are all hard-locked behind World 3. Hero's Rime being behind World 3 at least makes sense, but Mana Peaen and Sinewy Etude would've been better off in World 2, and Swift Song would've been better off in World 1. Of course, none of this solves the Adamantoise problem, because at the end of the day, Bards still need better stats and a better equipment selection. (Lamia's Tiara is nice for Sword Dance procs, but I would've much rather taken the Strength gear from Kelb instead) You say you may behind the worst of it all, but I can't wait to see Thief and Geomancer. Thief is similarly bad but without the utility Bards have, and Geomancers are frustratingly annoying for a different reason.
@@BacklogBusterYou'll basically need the same as Bards did. Gaia is a highly unreliable technique as it randomly selects an attack based on the terrain you use it in. In the case of Soul Cannon you'll only have access to Wind Based attacks to which the Cannon is Immune. And you don't even become Overpowered by the end of the game because Gaia's damage falls off hard. And Bells are absolutely horrid weapon. The benefit of Geomancer's is that they have decent Magic Stat (they can't pass it to anyone) making them good for throwing Ninja Scrolls if you absolutely have no other choice.
Sing is a really, really underrated command, even in World 1. Bard's stats and equipment are rough though. Once you learn Sing, there is no reason to stay a Bard.
Honestly i dont think bard wouldve sucked this hard if the accuracy on harps wasnt so bad. A weapon dealing percentage damage can be pretty awesome when properly supported (its why ff3 3d bard is actually pretty good in low level runs. Their version of requiem is percentage based damage and its amongst your best damage sources at endgame)
So... Is freelancer considered one of the Jobs in question? Will we get the Freelancer only finale? (I'm sorry if you weren't planning on this and now feel compelled to 😅)
@@BacklogBuster I wonder if it'd even be worth separating them into different uploads considering Mime isn't even accessible until after the Fork Tower...
As frustrating as berserker surely was, this one looks even worse. Mostly because yeah, you're in control but you're so weak you still can't do much of anything...
Suddenly, I'm looking forward to mime only. Since mimes improve based on other classes you've completed, they'll probably stink on their own. At least they have good equipment options.
Pretty sure you could have finished Omega though it would take some time. By staggering Two Romeo's Ballads you can basically immobilize Omega while the third Bard uses Swift song. After a while a single Bard would be able to hold Omega stopped at which point you can boost the attack using Sinewy Etude. Slowly and steadily you'd murder Omega with a Chicken Knife.
I love how many people don't realize how many enemies are able to be stopped with brd in this game. 😂 Nearly everything in the game can be stopped with Romeo's inclusing a certain super boss.
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The spirit of a thousand, thousand spoony bards cried out in fear. . .
What a shock, the Bard video is your longest one yet in the series. I’m completely flabbergasted. Dumbfounded even.
Loving every one of these. The algorithm tossed me your way after watching your old channel Dead Rising guides of all things, and I fell happily down an FFV rabbit hole. Can't wait to see what comes next.
You have used more elixirs in this one playthrough than I have playing ff games for 30+ years.
Dude same.
Elixirs in FF5 are quite common to find and relatively cheap
@@sertiana2512 that's not why elixirs are so infrequently used. They're not used because "maybe I'll need them for a later fight" being said all the way upto the final boss. FF meming at its finest
@@212mochaman elixirs being meme-able to begin with is BECAUSE of them being so rare and not available on shops
@@sertiana2512 and yet, without fail, there's the stockpile of elixirs you've gotten since the start of the game (in ff6 for instance the very first item you can get in the game is an elixir from the clock before meeting Locke), and the number hasn't gone down at all
Hands down funniest video so far. Never thought I'd hear you pleading for a Berserker's damage to save you. The Adamantoise fight was ridiculous, not just hitting with butter knives but cheap plastic ones at that. It's interesting that this run was pretty much the polar opposite of the Red Mage one. Red Mage is only strong for the middle portion of the game and Bard struggles terribly through the middle until you get the better weapons in the end.
In PR at least, Red Mage still manage to deal decent damage with rod breaking.
Best thing about bard? It can stunlock omega. Yes. Romeo's Ballad works!
Eat that, killer robot!
Omega: Play the best song in the world, or I'll eat your soul.
the poetry of "while 1, malloc 1000" it breaks any bot
Bartzholomew, Leannaria, Farissimo, Galufiorotti...
After seeing the whole series up to this episode, I can say I have a new appreciation for Xezat of the Dawn Warriors. Definitely.
It may not be necessary to know now since you got through one of the hardest classes (though Adamantoise will be hard for White Mage too, I imagine) but here's a little insight into the damage formula.
There are three things multiplied in the formula to determine your damage: effective attack, level, and strength/magic. (This is then divided by a high number to get it into a reasonable range). But the key here is "effective" attack. The enemy's defense is subtracted from your attack. So for Mage Masher's (31 attack) vs. Adamantoise (24 defense), you only have 6 effective attack. Grinding levels does not change that at all, it only will occasionally, at certain levels, add another 6 to the damage. I saw you hadn't equipped the Main Gauche, which would've given you an effective attack of 11. Would that have made it easy? No. But that's nearly double the damage output for whoever is wielding that dagger.
Bard is genuinely an S tier job as long as you have basically any other job along. Bards and Berserkers together hilariously outclass either alone in single class challenges
Well, you probably mean that "Sing" is an S-tier ability. Nothing about Bards stat block is S-tier.
@@BacklogBuster Fair
Bard can actually attack Omniscient to death with Apollo Harp; it's considered a spell and doesn't trigger the Return counter.
Best challenge series on RUclips!
All the various strategies you use is always interesting, rod smashing or not!
I don't know why, but these videos have been helping me sleep. I've been rotating through them for a few weeks now 😂😴
Great videos btw! Love your dialog!
"Nothing can be as bad as those". White Mage says "Hold my flail"
I just got the 100% achievement in FF5 last night, been playing it casually over the past couple months and man I was ready for it to be over with... Can't imagine how Wes feels about FF5 after this playlist is complete
been binge watching these and i’m surprised this is the one that didn’t break you well done on getting the win
Dakengard 3 clips in a Final Fantasy V video? I approve. Shame bard only seems like a full-game-length version of that game's last boss.
W000000 bard time! A whole hour!
The sweet music of pain and frustration awaits, methinks.
you would be right especially at that first world. Yikes.
Galoof was meant to be a bard…
Oh boy. I’ve been waiting for this one!
Journey through the Wes has so far been exquisite
I know this took you forever, but i am so glad that these keep coming. I don't even PLAY FF5! The commentary, strategy and well... EVERYTHING has been great in this series!
Finally caught up with this series! Amazing work Wes, looking forward to the other classes, I'm especially curious to see what Geomancer and Chemist will be like, but I'll watch everything else too.
Chemist is the one I'm looking forward to the most. It's gonna start rough but i can't wait to see the Shenanigans.
@@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315 I hope it'll be very entertaining, there's a lot of potential in that class.
Oh boy, Bard! One of my favorite jobs!
*checks video length*
..Oh my god.
Bard, a great job. A terrible party.
I will watch the intro EVERY single time with this series with my YT premium like a true solider 🫡🫡🫡
Also download them! Just downloading a video gives it 100% watch time, even if you immediately delete it after the download finishes. Or at least it did last year, not sure if the 'sleepy time playlist' meta shift broke that, but as a fellow premium watcher it can't hurt to help.
This is gonna be a whole lot of Romeo's Ballad spam with whittling damage. Sounds like you're gonna have a wonderful time.
glad to see your still cooking
So, between Berserker and Bard, the 2 worst jobs, kind of go opposite ways. Bards were terrible while Berserkers were pretty good first world, but they flipflop by world 3 because at least Bards can use items and get the chicken knife.
Sometimes you were saying "Bards" but I was hearing "Bartz" and I was very confused! "Bartz wore down the first flamethrowers relatively painlessly" - what about everyone else?!
This is the job I've been waiting for! Let's go!
got a windows / youtube notification and immediately had to watch this. love this series.
25 seconds in. I'm predicting A LOT of rods being smashed.
except bards can't smash rods, lol.
@@shawnaustin1037 I had hope for him, naively.
Man. You are just so freaking clever and fun to listen too.
Bartzholomew, Leannaria, Farissimo, Galufiorotti...
Bards are a powerful class. They can make Drakenvale, the Pyramid and the Trench very easy thanks to Requiem. Also being able to stop or confuse enemies at will is great. But more than one in a party is redundant.
Looking forward to your next release! Thankee!
Damn the simon and Garfunkel reference was unexpected. But amazing
White mage is going to break your soul. Im doing a 4 whm run and uhhh yeah 2nd world has been an absolutely brutal hell. Can't wait to see you "enjoy" this misery.
I can 100% confirm for you that your Dead Rising guide is still mostly applicable for 72 Hour Mode and the Saint achievement on DRDR (I was able to follow your route on the Deluxe Remaster near perfectly, with some minor revisions). However, it’s not as much use for Infinity Mode anymore due to the survivor/psychopath spawns being randomized - but it’s fortunately a more balanced and reasonable game mode overall. 7 Day Survivor is far more feasible due to the save suspending/advance time features and the increased sources of food from encounters or non-unique enemies (I actually found myself having quite a bit of fun while playing it, it was now a surprisingly pleasant challenge).
Cool story bro.
Lol, you really are waiting to use that white mage until the end.
I've really enjoyed this content. Thank you.
Honestly, White Mage can't be that hard compared to Bard.
@@ThePageofRageFF5 White Mage only is HARD. Using the Flail (and there's only one of them) would be their only source of damage for very, very long time.
Your commentary was extra goofy in this one and I loved it
Bravo, this is a monumental achievement
OMG! Final Fantasy V and Drakengard 3. You made my day. :D
This series is soooo entertaining
Can't wait for Chemist, where grinding for mats and kicking the ever living shit out of the Game become synonymous.
I cant wait to play the game while staring at a spreadsheet.
Really you just need to remember a few combinations that are the most broken.
I'm still looking forward to Summoner and Time Mage
Oh hell yeah, sing-along time
The more niche (aka terrible) the job the better the episode. Can't wait for geomancer
this is the one i was waiting for... im waiting for repeated rounds of vicious mockery... XD
I got Bard in my fiesta this year. It was quite a slog, and poor Faris was my designated singer/item user.
Fiesta? Care to explain I am curious
@@alguidoemblema1534 job fiesta. Basically once a year (or more) people will roll for 4 jobs (with different variants for the rules, standard iirc is one job per crystal and no freelancer /mime) and do a challenge run where you only use those job.
There is an annual event called a Four Job Fiesta, where you are given four randomized jobs and tasked to complete FFV (with the side stuff of defeating the side bosses Omega and Shinryu). Sometimes, they can be any job. You can even have nigh-impossible jobs set like four Berserkers, or pick any class (as opposed to one per Crystal which gives decent progression).
Spoony, you were a real one.
I saw Bard and knew it was going to be rough. Then I saw the hour, giving me confirmation on that 😂😂
Love this series.
I love your work keep it up
Some of the jobs clearly exist just to compliment another job. Bard’s Sing command starts as a really solid supporter support ability. White Mage being able to regen the whole party in one round? Pretty decent. If nobody needs healing why not try Romeo’s Ballad?
Also, speed affects how fast the buff songs work, so a Ninja or Thief with haste makes a great backup singer. It’s really fun seeing the ATB system become dysfunctional as you accelerate towards 255 speed.
All I kept thinking was "Undersea Cavern soon"
this was definitely worth the wait, best episode yet
love these videos
This was always gonna be a rough one. I knew Thief and White Mage were rough starts, and then Bard comes along to replicate those starts partway through World 1.
I don't know why but Red Dragons are undead. Requiem ought to have been viable, though I've never tried it.
When the antlion fight goes bad, it goes real bad. I've been stuck in there a while myself.
Five Giga Flares. What does one even say? I guess that I never knew !Hide had _any_ utility. This was silly and I enjoyed it!
Thanks for giving Apollo's Harp a shot, possibly the least appreciated sealed weapon.
I never take the Chicken Knife because who _wants_ to grind escaping for an hour? Thank you for suffering for our entertainment.
I like that the chicken knife exists, but man, I hate using it. It's more tolerable on like Ninja or Thief since you can just auto-escape but it still feels awful every time.
Thankfully bards essentially have a late game super saiyan function so they aren't totally useless.
Of all the runs I've seen, this is the spooniest!
Spotted at the end, next time is Time Mage! (Hopefully)
Mystic Knights first, but I have Time Mage done.
@@BacklogBuster 3rd class in my top 3, everything coming my way I take it! XD Great job, your channel is a breath of fresh air for me
Thanks for the binge.
Zombie one with the apollo harp and reflect ring and have the a second character hide... the zombie will attack self but bounce the harp damage to Omniscient
Just to clarify, per my checks, Atomos has 10K MP and Comet costs only 7 per cast. That would be 1428 casts that Atomos is able to do.
omniscient is vulnerable to romeo's ballad as a matter of fact
LV48 in the first world ...dear God...😧
Here we go again!!!!!!!
Glad to see a fellow ff5 enjoyer. Also, will you be doing a freelancer run or any runs with permanent status effects?
!Sing could have been a halfway decent supporting ability for your support classes. The problem is, most of the actually useful supportive abilities are all hard-locked behind World 3. Hero's Rime being behind World 3 at least makes sense, but Mana Peaen and Sinewy Etude would've been better off in World 2, and Swift Song would've been better off in World 1. Of course, none of this solves the Adamantoise problem, because at the end of the day, Bards still need better stats and a better equipment selection. (Lamia's Tiara is nice for Sword Dance procs, but I would've much rather taken the Strength gear from Kelb instead)
You say you may behind the worst of it all, but I can't wait to see Thief and Geomancer. Thief is similarly bad but without the utility Bards have, and Geomancers are frustratingly annoying for a different reason.
Thief is likely going to have to do some hi potion stealing and elixir farming. Geomancer, I dunno, I never touch them.
@BacklogBuster I will say, Gaia is honestly pretty solid as an mp saving tool in regular encounters, but the second you face bosses... yucky.
@@BacklogBusterYou'll basically need the same as Bards did. Gaia is a highly unreliable technique as it randomly selects an attack based on the terrain you use it in. In the case of Soul Cannon you'll only have access to Wind Based attacks to which the Cannon is Immune. And you don't even become Overpowered by the end of the game because Gaia's damage falls off hard. And Bells are absolutely horrid weapon. The benefit of Geomancer's is that they have decent Magic Stat (they can't pass it to anyone) making them good for throwing Ninja Scrolls if you absolutely have no other choice.
Sing is a really, really underrated command, even in World 1. Bard's stats and equipment are rough though. Once you learn Sing, there is no reason to stay a Bard.
Honestly i dont think bard wouldve sucked this hard if the accuracy on harps wasnt so bad. A weapon dealing percentage damage can be pretty awesome when properly supported (its why ff3 3d bard is actually pretty good in low level runs. Their version of requiem is percentage based damage and its amongst your best damage sources at endgame)
Frost Rod shattered!
white mage gonna be fun. It like bard in that it gets powerful in the 3rd world with holy at least.
Bards can get a really easy shinryu kill by having a zombie party member with a reflect ring and hiding. It only takes several hours!
the best use for harps is tow wear down an animal for Beastmaster to catch becaue you CAN'T kill it. Or you could use death claw from blue mage.
These videos are so cool. Im obsessed w ffv so Im definitely biased
So...
Is freelancer considered one of the Jobs in question?
Will we get the Freelancer only finale? (I'm sorry if you weren't planning on this and now feel compelled to 😅)
22 jobs. Freelancer and Mime are jobs.
@@BacklogBuster I wonder if it'd even be worth separating them into different uploads considering Mime isn't even accessible until after the Fork Tower...
i watched the whole thing, it was like a car crash just couldn't help but keep watching. Great video!
that drak 3 representation
What is that game with the songs of antiquity.
41:57
Requiem song will be important.
There's hardcore
And then there's Bardcore
Bard is my favorite job along with Summoner, but I wish his songs were more useful besides paralyzing enemies, regenerating and requiem.
Does this mean White Mage or Time Mage is next?
Thankee!
Bard can be pretty busted but I’m thinking as an early commenter that the equipment selection is going to be what causes most issues.
As frustrating as berserker surely was, this one looks even worse. Mostly because yeah, you're in control but you're so weak you still can't do much of anything...
This version looks very nice with the little animations in battles. Is it the Steam version or Pixel Remaster?
Its the Pixel remaster on Steam. The iOS/PC version was ugly as hell my guy lol.
Edward and the spoony bards spirits live in you
Suddenly, I'm looking forward to mime only. Since mimes improve based on other classes you've completed, they'll probably stink on their own. At least they have good equipment options.
Break Rod, Break Rod, Break Rod. Basically the same as any magic Class that can equip rods including 66% of Red Mage playthrough.
You could also do a four job fiesta
Oh boy, I've been looking forward to this.
I know bard is one of the best support jobs, especially for omega but how does it do without regular dps
not good lol
@@BacklogBuster lol. 3 bards plus mystic knight = superboss killer. 4 bards = freelancer, no buying weapons only run lol
Pretty sure you could have finished Omega though it would take some time. By staggering Two Romeo's Ballads you can basically immobilize Omega while the third Bard uses Swift song. After a while a single Bard would be able to hold Omega stopped at which point you can boost the attack using Sinewy Etude. Slowly and steadily you'd murder Omega with a Chicken Knife.
The horribly slow murderer with the extremely inefficient weapon (and three boosters), FF5 edition
Backlog buster, did you truly comprehend the magnitude of the task you set for yourself when you began?
I love the more niche weapons like harps, bells & whips it stinks they dont the attention from the FF devs like more common weapons do.
Enter the Bard!
Romeo’s ballad is how I beat omega
Turns out running 4 support classes with nobody to support is actually kind of a bad idea; who could have guessed? You know, except for everyone.
The dark day has come....
Are harps bad because it uses a demi formula? Are bosses immune to demi?
Chemist and Mediator are gonna be some big pains, but that's probably the worst of it going forward.
I love how many people don't realize how many enemies are able to be stopped with brd in this game. 😂 Nearly everything in the game can be stopped with Romeo's inclusing a certain super boss.
Team Bard! 0/10 for not renaming Bartz "Spoony".