For what. The only proof we have is “give me $25,000 and I’ll sue him give me a Million and my will to make sure this never happens again will go away”
@@samnam715 clearly a joke. even if not i call everyone bro, people i hate, people i love, people im friendly with, people i just met, people i dont know, like cmon bro. chill tf out
38:14 “he wasn’t trying to hurt anyone” is ridiculous to me. He is a 35 year old man, not a child. He is also a father and the example he’s setting for his son is atrocious. He absolutely knows that violating someone’s trust like this is wrong. I despise how some of the members of his community infantilize him by saying this happened due to his untreated ADHD or that he didn’t mean to hurt anyone. He has a pattern of sociopathic behavior and it’s clear that it won’t ever improve unless he faces some massive consequences.
Tom, please leak the funny number on the back of your credit card, I promise I won’t show anyone. On an unrelated note, I need it to impress a discord kitten.
real interesting that all the very young female orbiters destiny has all seem to have wild levels of mental instability and/or drug issues. such a stand up guy. in his 30's and seemingly surrounded by lost, impressionable 20 year old girls.
He's a new-age, new type Cult Leader, simple as, replace religiousity with Politics and such, same outcomes, guys desperate to affiliate, women desperate to fuck him, all for the clout and charisma he brings.
"I wanted to be a mediator for her" "I didnt want to tell Destiny she wants 1 million dollars because Destiny is my friend someone else will have to do that". Regardless of if she agreed if she wanted to mediate she would have Also if she knew Destiny wouldnt pay 1million it means she did talk to him about it she just didnt want to tell pxie
@@theanimerapper6351 To add to that, his audience is more from the Keemstar side of RUclips than Destiny. There might be some overlap, but probably not enough to affect him. If anything I think Tom will do better without Destiny's baggage dragging him down.
I've been watching tom regularly for months and didn't even know he was inside the destiny orbit until this drama dropped "wriggling" out is a bit of a strong term I think
@@benjaminandrews956I agree if you watches Destiny its obvious but if you only watched Tom there was like the video on the main channel but that was kinda is
@benjaminandrews956 Tom kept mentioning how it was him who told Destiny about the Boogie drama, which prompted destiny to look into it and confront Boogie about lying. So I knew they were pals as Tom would joke about how he's the one to give Destiny the scoop on YT dramas 😅
One of the things I like about Tom the most is that he can be immature and funny… But really when it calls for he can be sincere, serious, and really thoughtful
Made me resubscribe to him, honestly. I unsubscribed over the Destiny glazing, and now I’m back. Nice to see him handle this horrific situation so well.
@HavianEla what is this destiny glazing that people keep yapping about, everytime I see someone mention it under a video it's just tom being slightly charitable towards destiny 😂
how many chances does Destiny deserve ?? he’s proven a level of insane sexual irresponsibility over and over again, albeit to varying levels. WHAT DO YOU MEAN SECOND CHANCE ?? also the constant “but I’M not bad, right Tom ?? can you say that Tom ??” is so wearing
I’m convinced that the last decade has erased our ability to actually call bad people bad people. They’re so squirmy now and manipulative that they’re able to just go on making money because they’ve “changed” but these are things about you as a person, this is an intrinsic issue in his being-he isn’t a safe person and that’s fine if they want to play that game with him but they’re opening up future, new victims imo
I love Tom, but it’s frustrating that Tom just let the numerous heinous acts of Destiny slide. This is not the first time Destiny has shared revenge porn. He did it 10 years ago when he was a pro StarCraft player. He beat his first wife. He manipulated Anavoir’s mental illness for fun. He emotionally abused Melina. He tried to get a guy fired from his job just for criticizing his involvement with a political campaign. He has an extensive history of flagging videos that criticize him. The recent leaks show him fantasizing about having a child sex servant, and he has made pro-pedophilia statements in the past. He has a long history of saying all people who vote Republican should be murdered. The dude is a sociopath. And hearing Tom sweep for the guy in the past was super frustrating.
@moreekay thats because for the past decade or so if you speak the truth youre the bad guy. Most people dont want to be called the bad guy so they stop enforcing right and wrong which encourages them to keep being slimy turds. "Body positivity" is a great example
This is probably almost every streamer/content creator behind the scenes. Still crazy to me that everyone just moved on from the Mizkif stuff which was maybe arguably worse. Just super toxic that people forget super quickly about this stuff and move on like nothing happened.
@@MMasterDE He absolutely does not. Ppl just get upset when he outperforms their idols in debates. The main ppl who think this are the Hasan guzzlers who are actual communist and socialist.
@@seiver5353 Feel like he’s always been open about being a sex-pest. If u didn’t see this coming idk what to tell you. He’s still a sound and good debater. I can’t say I care much about this.
@@max.aura10kit’s terminal gooner syndrome, introducing porn to others and not being able to engage with romance normally d is a scumbag, should never have a platform after this, but also deeply mentally unwell.
@@giovalladares1022 The answer to your question requires you to possess the necessary comprehension skills; which you don't have as evidenced by the question.
@@julesfalcone 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sounds like you have no idea what you’re saying and you just can’t justify it. You made a meaningless statement based on nothing but your bias. She’s a female pimp because she said she’s aware that’s the narrative to how she looks to the public rn. You made a logically unsound statement and instead of admitting your own moronic tendencies you double down by saying “Nuh uh u r 2 dummy 2 get it”
its so funny how he was always saying shit like "i dont really know what exactly is keeping women out of dgg but i think we just have to ban porn guys"
As bad as Destiny may be, Sunday is an objectively horrible human. He is willing to harm whomever he needs to hurt Destiny. Sunday has nothing to gain other than satisfaction from Destiny's downfall. Sunday is purely malicious in every part of all of this. He'd have Pixi dead just to harm Destiny, possibly even pushing for her harm.
It’s interesting that on a video about Destiny’s gross behavior, you’re redirecting the attention to some who’s just way worse lol “Destiny might be a naughty bun, but Sunday is the real villain” 🤪
@@isitoveryet9525 yes. there is a difference between doing something bad and stupid 2 years ago, and maliciously and intentionally egging shit on that could lead to someone killing themselves. Grow up.
I actually agree with him that leaking all this stuff even without the victim's consent is still preferable to hiding it. Yea this girl might be harmed but the next one might not consent to Destiny filming her if all this stuff is already public. Who knows how many victims there already are and the excuse is always their privacy for why Destiny should never be held accountable for anything. There's plenty of cases of domestic abuse where the victim is still defending the abuser but we don't care and the law is still gonna get involved. Sorry but sometimes the victim's consent doesn't matter.
Whether it's his values or not, the fact he did this and has done it multiple times in the past means that if he wasn't caught and punished for the crime he'd probably go on to do this again, whether it's with 5 people or 5000 people. The fact he's also a huge public figure means he's priortises gooning over his own business and other people's safety. Like get fucked dude
also the hookups he had where he just filmed audio. you KNOW that was filmed that way, because he wanted a recording but knew they wouldnt consent to anything.
@@WizardofGargalondese dawg, the recordings have leaked, everyone has heard her fuck Destiny without her consent to be recorded, you can accept this or not.
If she's tryna be professional about rehabilitation she needs to realize that she CANNOT be the person doing therapy with tiny. Too much conflict of interest, too much of a personal connection with a manipulative person in a situation where someone completely objective and detached needs to be the one in charge.
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 Yeah. She deliberately misrepresented her qualifications to sound more authoritative. She is not a therapist. And whe she was called out on it, there was a total meltdown.
She doesn't seem to be claiming that. I understood her to say that through her experiences in mental health she is opting to not drop her friendship with Destiny because at the outset, but is interested in observing his subsequent commitment to change. When did she insinuate she was acting in the role of therapist?
Finding out they’re actually good friends undeniably changes the dynamic of these text messages as opposed to a business relationship. The only way for erudite to not have these convos with pxie, since the topic will inevitably come up in convo, would be to ghost her completely.
don't act like Tom didn't gain a lot off destiny either. It also helped him ditch a lot of his controversy, and it worked very well. I doubt most people who watch him now even know about any of that.
TRUE! I cant understand how anyone doesnt see right through this. She says she wanted the part about her friends removed to protect her.. yet the way she worded it was "I would appreciate it if it was removed..". This makes her a MASSIVE hypocrite on so many fronts its insane. She's always willing to forgive the repentant and remorseful huh...Its just total coincidence that Steven is your business partner, friend and clout provider.. and also manages to skirt the line between villain and guy who made a couple mistakes. I continue to believe Erudite is a manipulative, rambling psychopath.
I'm calling it now. When the money is no longer there in her collaboration with Destiny, she will finally come out with a harsher condemnation of Destiny.
Big agree. Pretty surprised she decided to continue the business relationship after this. Guess the money is too good to pass up. She did some weird mental gymnastics, like why is it then ok if he's remorseful about it when it's been shown he's done this with multiple girls and shared them with basically discord "kittens" cause he wants to sex them up too. This actually looks worse than the Vaush Goblin incident cause at least it's all fiction even if it's weird. If the hack never happened, would she be okay with it if she alone found out that he's just sharing recordings of his sexual conquests to random egirls. Seeing Tom's face change rapidly as she's trying to talk her way out of it is hilarious.
@The-Entelechy yeah, mental gymnastics for sure. The fact she really wants to stress how sympathetic she is to people with trauma while simultaneously downplaying the whole sharing video without consent is pretty jarring. In a couple months time when her show is dead, she will be saying "after some time, I reflected more on the incident and my thoughts have evolved..."
She literally didn't even mention restitution when Tom asked her what Steven should have to pay for spreading Pxie's sex tape. Absolutely insane mental gymnastics to think Steven doesn't owe an insane amount of restitution, at least high 6 figures given his level of public presence. 1 million+ is on the table. If he doesn't settle for that level, she should take him through the discovery process and then all the information that comes out during that can be used for the other victims to take him to court. Likewise, deposing Steven should be fun, especially if he tries to hide any evidence during discovery for when he is deposed, since that now starts becoming criminal.
Erudite comes off as "I'm such a good person look how much help I'm giving" without acknowledging the cold self interest component that should mean she issues a public statement, and stay well clear of this. Getting embroiled is a baaad look.
Especially because she claims to have extensive knowledge in mental health and counseling ect. The average person knows that she should not be mediating this situation. But somehow with her supposed knowledge she doesnt understand the conflict of interest. She whines about how unfair it is that people call her Ghislaine Maxwell and she only ever cared about Pixie. Which is absurd for multiple reasons. First off The fact that Pixie not wanting this to go public also would have benefited Destiny. So no matter what she says we can never trust that she was only motivated by Pixie (again why she shouldve stayed out.of this). Secondly, like how does not wanting Pixie to kill herself somehow absolve her of everything? Yeah, the average person doesnt want someone to kill themselves lol. That's kind of standard. Yet, she uses it as this ultimate debunk. When it's actually pretty irrelevant. Even if she was sending girls to Destiny to take advantage of. It's still gonna be a negative thing if Pixie threatened suicide. So it's just her trying to trying to seem like a saint while avoiding the actual conversation and points people are making
Erudite is only mediating because she has business interest with Destiny lbr. No friend of a victim does something like this. She tried really hard to clear herself most of all very suspicious.
The way she talks sounds like Destiny. It's creepy and gross! She can defend and justify him all she wants, she will learn the hard way one day. You can be the best person to Destiny, however he will find one way or another to fk u over, it's in his nature!
I can understand you believing this if you haven’t actually listened to this talk yet, or if you’re under the age of 25… but what you just said is an incredible stretch. It seems as though there’s not much she could have done in this situation to gain your approval
@@kentontudorYou speak a lot of words and say nothing. You learn from Destiny and Euridite well. Instead of armchair pretentiousness, why don't you actually point out what OP said is false.
@@Kurtio_ If she cut destiny off right away people would also see that as a business based decision and portray her as a bad friend. she’s damned either way
I thought she has a background as a counselor? She has to know her role is completely unethical based on the vested interest she had bc of her professional relationship with destiny. Like her going outside the scope of her expertise to mediate what “justice” is for pixie is a HUGE misstep. She should not have been involved past crisis intervention.
@@andrewvanderhoof2531acting as a counselor or not, she would know it could be perceived as exploitative given her business ties to destiny. At best, she can be seen as a useful idiot. And with there being a lawsuit, she likely put herself in a terrible position. Emotionally, I get where she’s coming from. However, it’s not helping destiny beat the “destiny is a cult leader” allegations.
The way how she painted her business relationship with Destiny is hilarious to me. He is not a brand risk to her, he is her life boat that she needs to hold on to. Sticking with him is convenient for her and it's obvious that if it wasn't, she would be out of the door already. I don't buy any of her bs.
Thats just not true tho, she is really good on her own and could actually even use this situation to put herself in moral highground and launch some other thing. I feel like the Bridges Podcast could work without Destiny just fine
Ya she’s just being dishonest and gross this whole interview. Always gives infinite charity to herself and her meal ticket while she wouldn’t give even 5% of that grace if it was anyone outside of the dgg orbit.
@ I absolutely do know. It’s been proven through the leaks she is used as a 3rd arm to represent Steven’s interests and not his victims. I wish Tom had shared her other messages as well with the other 2 parties but I assume she wouldn’t come on if he covered the more damning material. Even from what they cover here, it’s clear she doesn’t care about anything Steven does as she can say it’s all because he has trauma and he’s basically like a child that can’t control himself.
@@HansGuru-fe9dk When did she say that? I know her and Nick separated for a month, but I think that was before she even started streaming (might be wrong)
@@juanmejiagomez5514 I'm not enough of a turbofan to provide videos or timestamps, but I definitely remember her mentioning in one of her own videos that they had temporarily opened up their relationship, but found out it didn't work for them and closed it back up. No idea how long ago that happened or if D-man's D was involved.
Seems like a reasonable standard to have for ending a friendship tbh. Have you ever had a guy show you a nude pic of a girl he slept with? Yeah, that's exactly what destiny did. That's probably a massive segment of the male population. Probably your dad, probably your friends too. Should go ask them.
she's not a therapist though. she's just a mutual friend mediating between friends. There's going to be biases, but that's pretty much how it works in literally any friend group.
@@KOtheRipperhe's a 35 year old man who has been at this for over a decade. if she's willing to throw her friendship and morals under the bus because Steven pinky-promised her he'd do better, she's not just a bad person and a bad friend, she's a _total sucker._ she's not his therapist! she's actively and obviously choosing money over morality and friendships.
@@elen5871 Would you drop your friend because he is addicted to gambling and is therefore causing harm to other people by stealing or would you try to help? And if you try to help and see genuine repent and intentions to change, would you say thats a bad thing to do?
She's doing very interesting thing. Basically saying that he could do worse, and that would cross every line possible, constantly switching the attention from what he did to this hypothetically even more fucked up thing he might've done. It's very clever political manipulation tactics.
@@sp00dery "It is only yesterday I became aware that Destiny had recorded me while we had sex without my consent, and with no regard for me, also shared that recording to others." This is from a Tweet Chaeiry made yesterday.
chaeiry is not someone I think should be trusted without hard evidence. She has been questionable at best in the past. I would've trusted an allegation from Pxie with no evidence a lot more.
Crazy to have the name “erudite” and not understand that in the situation people might think she has the opportunity for secondary gain because of working with destiny
Lmao, she literally said she supported the lawsuit She knows sharing sexually explicit images without permission is illegal 😂 You’re so desperate to be mad that you’re getting upset with her for agreeing with you 🤣
erudite is the worst and has always been competing for destinys #1 orbiter, and her bf is a cuck to destiny which is something that i didnt think to be possible
The Destiny leaks are worse the the Bowblax leaks. Bowblax is only hurting himself. Steven is hurting a shit tone of people. Was anyone here caught off-guard by this? When the Mr Girl article came out we all thought it was ridiculous however it clearly showed that he was so messy with whoever he slept with. Clearly he didn't learn anything from it. Imagine being a public person and not only creating private sexual material but then also sharing it with randoms? He had so many opportunities to get his shit together and he didn't. Pathetic.
It’s just not possible to take the Mr. Girl article seriously because of the events that led to Max making it in the first place as well as how he went about it and the people he inappropriately interviewed for it. It never was and never will be. Potentially could have even been a story, but he was never the person to make it.
@@a.c.forever5157 I agree with you. I'm not siding with the article or Mr. Girl. However I feel like for a debate/political streamer I knew way to much about his sex life before the article anyway. Which is why Mr Girl based the article on it (I assume anyway).
Yeah I have been caught off guard, I don't watch him but watch creators a couple of steps removed, so hear a bit about him or others in his sphere. I knew him and his wife were in an open relationship before they got divorced and I knew he had a reputation for having a lot of sex and being into some weird stuff. However I nievely assumed it was all consentually done with other people who were also either in open relationships/polyandrous, and /or with other people in the link community... Not going after young mentally ill women who have zero, or barely any experience with sex, nevermind kink. Who he leads on, lies to, lies about not dating/being involved with and generally doesn't seem to value at all.
@@earthstroyerthey all try to sound like that. This generation of content creators barely have an original style, just blatantly mimicing other people
yeah i noticed it too. She sounds so much like him. She even often uses the same words he uses. Many of the destiny community are kind off like that though. There are so many people on reddit who copy his whole vocabulary and oppinions.
According to KF this lady moved her whole life and changed her own career to be Destiny’s top orbiter. It’s obvious she needs his money. She’s STILL caping for him. This lady got her claws into Pxie and convinced her her caring was genuine. She’s obviously demonized Erin who definitely had her number according to the DMs where Erin says Erudite wouldn’t care about consent-because she’ll cape for Steven anyway
@@--Justin-- It would be about attention and ego if she had slightly more money, but as it stands she needs money. She was sleeping in her car a few months ago.
@ If she was sleeping in her car a few months ago it's because her incessant need for attention keeps her in front of a camera instead of earning money in her actual profession. If she had a solo channel making content and didn't interact with other streamers she'd be a 5-viewer-Andy.
Her reasoning is so braindead, I dont give up on clients who are degenerates so I wont do the same for friends, there’s a reason you dont befriend clients though
@a.c.forever5157 yep especially when it took her forever to answer about still associating with him. She kept bringing up the criminal act of recording without consent. I'm glad Tom pushed her on that.
I mean she was talking a lot about herself and tbf if all she did was talk about herself to every question, commenters would say she's doing all this for attention and making it about herself. She's not in any position where anything she does aside from totally kill her professional relationship with Steven which basically ends any hope for her ambitions. But she has a point in defending herself about what has been said about her, there wasn't actually anything wrong with any of the messages and still everyone in these comments is calling her Ghislaine Maxwell like she pulled a Maya and confronted Pxie asking her to keep her mouth shut. If we're being realistic, wtf is she supposed to do? As for her moral POV, makes perfect sense for an addiction counselor. I have a friend who is a psychologist for rehabilitating criminals back into society and she speaks just like this and would have this exact same view.
@ I think what people have a problem with ultimately is the fact that she’s kind of playing both sides. I don’t think she’s doing this out of complete selfishness, but it seems a lot of people see it that way, and understandably so.
@@a.c.forever5157she is playing the hand she was dealt. Thats all she can do. This isnt Twitter, kids, this is a real life actionable thing that actually affects peoples livelyhoods and viability. No one cares about virtue signaling "oh in a perfect world in the perfect situation where everything is perfect and happy this is exactly what should happen" thats not real. Real life is hard, gritty, infinite amounts of Grey area, and motivations, and things, not just one solid line and two sides
This person would be a great HR manager. Such a squirmy bullshit artist lol. Hope the girl who got leaked doesn't believe this person is actually her friend.
It would probably be best for eurodite not to communicate with pixie given the obvious conflicts of interest and the way her actions can be interpreted.
@@mufasah342 the thing with that is she feels that pixie is endangering her life, so eurodite probably doesn’t care how she appears if her life may be at risk
@@mufasah342 very much - from what has been shown there is no real evidence she did anything actually wrong (and even could have been the main person helped pixie though the scariest phase of the situation), but anything she does other than other than ditch Destiny with respect to this will throw up TONS of red flags (and if she genuinely is the type of person who thinks she can help him "do the right thing" I can understand why she really doesn't want to do that)
Erudite’s incredibly manipulative and disingenuous. As someone who works in the field of addiction I’m disgusted that she’d invoke her profession to sweep for Destiny. Her constant invocation of her past profession is disgusting ESPECIALLY as she claims that her stance is primarily motivated by her “concern” for Pxie. “Rehabilitative justice” is about holding offenders accountable- not assuming the offender won’t commit the same crime again because they went to therapy. I’ve also worked with drug addicts and criminally involved folks, and no one in the field would argue that an offender gets a pass for harming someone- whether they “paid their bills” or not. The fact that she’s a business partner with the offender would disqualify her from any role in helping the victim as a professional. Her refusal to acknowledge that Destiny’s offer of money looks like a buy off, and then saying IT SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO speaks volumes. She’s either so emotionally invested in Destiny that she can’t see the obvious or she’s covering for Destiny. Her obsession with repeating “at least the recording had her consent” and then giving Destiny credit for not secretly recording speaks to this transparent shilling. The fact that she clothes her motivations as “concern for Pxie” makes this all the grosser. She should know full well that someone can have concern for a friend AND emotionally manipulate them for your own financial interests. Her pushing Tom on the point was textbook manipulation. I hope she never works in the mental health field again- awful ethics.
The fact that people cant see through this manipulation is wild. Everything she's being accused of somehow is just a huge misunderstanding! All these times Erudite seemed like NotSoGhislaine Maxwell were actually her being super caring and supportive of Pixie!! Like if she actually cared about Pixie she wouldve said "I support you no matter what. I'm here to listen." but no she had to insert herself into a situation where she has conflicting interests. Sure obviously she didnt want Pixie to kill herself. But Pixie staying quiet would also benefit Destiny. She can Claim all she wants that she only cared about Pixies mental health but that's just never not gonna seem super fucking sketchy. Some other manipulative things I noticed. The sad girl voice. Her downplaying Destiny actions by comparing it to two bros sharing a nude. When what he did was way worse. He used nudes and possibly secret audio recordings as social proof to convince new sexual partners that he is worthy. Then she claims "What Destiny did was bad but the hacker is da real criminal!!" Like just because what Destiny did ismt technically a crime doesnt mean it isnt equally reprehensible if not worse than the hackers actions. Then she claimed "Destiny didnt want to hurt anyone" as if she has any authority to say that as an absolute fact. I'm sorry but somehow immediately trying to get in front of accusations and say and do all the right things does not convince me. Destiny isnt stupid. He knows there's gonna be a paper trail. Of course he's going to do all the "right" things. By Erudites logic everytime a murder cries out to the judge and jury about how remorseful they are we should just take their word for it!
Kyla keeps trying to center it on Destiny sharing Pxies nudes when he shouldn't have, by now we know hes been doing this to lots of people, taking videos and photos of multiple people and sending them to multiple people Pxie is one of 5+ people now, not the only issue
Is anybody buying this? It makes 0 sense for her to have interjected herself into this at all, other than as a means of damage control to protect her cash cow. She's injecting all this tangential nonsense to distract from the fact she, as a heavily biased party, really had no business playing mediator here. Even (and esoecially) if Pxie was suicidal, it's an enourmas conflict of interest for Kayla to be playing pointman. Shes also choosing her words veeery carefully so as to not actually commit to any particular action on her part regarding her future with Destiny. This is just her running heavily calculated PR for herself.
Erudite gave an example of a time she went to check up on a friend in the space, and the word friend is kind of loose. Since I've known about her it's something she regularly does. She's been the "adult" in the room for a while for problematic situations. And so many people around her seem to come to her with problematic stuff as well. Why? It's simply what she does. I don't know if pxie would have "sign off" if erudite didn't interject. She would have been talking to someone. And pxie seemed to trust erudite like she trusted her other friend who leaked their interactions. Idk, it just seems like a lot of people aren't thinking about pxie's piv or even thinking about pxie at all fr
I don't think you watched the video or read the text messages. Pxie specifically requested for her to be the mediator because she didn't want to speak to Destiny directly. Before that she went to Pxie to check on her.
@@thetrib1 It's funny cuz a lot of streamers will tell you that no streamer is actually a friend to any other streamer. It's all clout chasing for money.
@ there's levels of friend and there's levels of clout chasing. what would be the clout chasing thing to do in this situation? wouldn't it be to shit on destiny?
@@thetrib1 nope, because Destiny will be fine through this and will continue to make millions. He might pay a few dollars, but he will be fine just like all the sex pest streamers before him. These other girls are boring with no audience on their own. They need Destiny.
i spent alot of time with my brother and best friend does that mean i have the same cadence? no i don't and you don't know either you can hang around someone without being like someone else
Kyla is absolutely out of her mind if she believes these actions aren't in accordance with Steven's "principals." She needs to wake up and see that he's not the Messiah, and does, actually, need to suffer consequences for hurting the people who trusted him the most. Everyone is comparing him to Epstein, which I get, but I actually don't think that is a very good comparison. Epstein's victims didn't love him, or protect him, or go to bat for him. Destiny is Keith Raniere, and his "Orbiters" are his NXIVM sex cult.
Really considerate of her/the group* to be concerned with consent when it comes to sharing things and DMs... Now. Early December 2024 and before? Not so much. Also really nice of Erulane Maxdite to run her official statements by Steven first.
Im gonna take an unpopular stance. I agree with most of what Kyla is saying. Everyone is human. And normally, thats how we deal with it. We appologize, and try our best to make good to the people we hurt. This time specifically, there are business interests at play. Destiny has a strong talent and drive to be a front facing public figure. He is one of the strongest assets to the moderate left. But my point is, I think its understandable that Kyla is conflicted, and maybe even doing mental gymnastics. I think I speak for all moderate leftists/progressives when I say this: When the world needed Destiny the most, he was too busy gooning. What a dissapointment.
@@RivetCityRamsey I condemn everything Destiny did here. Why is he constantly banging 19/20 year olds as a grown ass man? Why is he not a father to his child? Why is he sharing someone's nudes without consent? Probably more.
I'm like 50/50. I think Kyla is probably doing her best to support both of her friends, but I also think she probably should stay clear from the blast zone for a bit, because she's getting involved where she doesn't need to be.
These fake 'logic' people are pure evil, they can downplay the most disgusting shit if they like the person but over inflame a small situation into something massive if they don't.
Erudite is so slimy acting like the point of you bringing up her financial reliance on Destiny is to give her business advice. The point is she's COMPROMISED and Destiny walking away from this unscathed is very much in her own personal interest. She even acted confused about what she could possibly gain from defending Destiny. There's no way she's that stupid but she does think/hope the audience is that stupid. Also she's literally on a visa to the US based on "investing" in that podcast that she does with Destiny. If he gets damaged enough and cancels the podcast her streaming career might be over, she'd be unemployed and probably have to go back to Canada. Lets not pretend that all that isn't extremely relevant to her insistence that Destiny is a changed man and that we should give him a path to redemption.
so if i am around my brother all the time does that mean i'm compromise? no its not you base all of these things based upon incomplete evidence and facts without knowing the whole story of what happen
Youve gotta feel for erudite. She was making moves to get into the political mainstream, become a serious political commentary and campaign figure, left canada, moved to miami just for destiny to fuck up their joint podcast all but instantly.
@@gnomechump-stiny7128 Her harping on the fact that he had consent for the recording and saying "yeah he's done bad things and knows he's wrong" but not condemning him lmao take ur blinders off bud
Wished Tom would have nailed her down on her future business ties with Destiny. Continuing a personal/private relationship is one thing, but not severing the business relationship makes her actions suspect.
Miss I Hate the Patriarchy, sleeping with streamers to get ahead 🤣🤣 Wow, turns out letting a weirdo who you aren't in a relationship with record you, isn't a good idea.
Tom, you handled this really well. It's unfortunate that Kyla has chosen business over ethics and morals. This decision is going to affect how people see her going forward.
No, she literally explained it, filming someone without their consent or knowledge would be on a different level, the law acknowledges that, and she just agrees with it.
It’s bothering me how much she compares Destiny to her past clients. There is a difference between having a client and being friends with someone. As someone in the social work field, I am not friends with my clients. If they do something deplorable, I will choose to believe they can change. If I am friends with someone who did that and continues to do these things, I can believe they can change but not remain friends because they did irreparable damage to another human being. Her argument on whether he did it maliciously is like stabbing vs. murdering someone. Both are equally fucked up and duh things not to do.
56:12 Bro. Talking about destiny's trauma is so off base. All she's trying to desperately do here is get out with as little shit on her as possible while still remaining in destiny's orbit.
Honestly, I get where Erudite is coming from. I can’t imagine dealing with type of situation in your personal life, but then to have all this under the public magnifying glass… Sometimes it can feel too overwhelming to cut off a relationship at the drop of the hat, it’s something you separate from gradually as you come to terms the fact that it’s the right choice. This is especially true if you’re someone who takes on the role of peacemaker/mediator in a lot of relationships. I hope she gets there, but I empathize with the situation she is in and how cutting off a friendship like this might be too hard a pill to immediately swallow. As always, appreciate Tom’s mature and thoughtful handling of the situation.
Yeah a lot of people seem to be breathing down her neck to cut ties immediately, as if information didn't JUST drop and shit is still being figured out. I would also wait and see here how things unfold and judge my friend based on how they handle things, and whether or not they'd be willing to change. Nobody is looking at this from the perspective of a friend, it's easy to say shit outside looking in but literally why the fuck would anyone care about what a bunch of parasocial rarts think about your personal situation.
What are you talking about, why can't you imagine it? My friend does what he did I'm not longer friends with them, there's no need for me to insert myself in the middle of it like she did for no reason. Unless she had another motive to shield destiny so their trash podcast can continue
30:34 the fact Kyla doesn’t understand why this bothers people is part of her issue. Also, she should not be so involved personally in so many of these situations - refer people to get help you are not the ‘savior’ of all these people.
Kinda wild that her excuse was she wont stop being friends with him. If my friend/businesses partner was committing sex crimes. They would've be my friend anymore.
I dont really believe a word Erudite says about Destiny. I do believe she has genuine concern for Pixie, but she would walk on a road of razorblades barefoot for Destiny. He made her career take off.
Regardless of what Pxie requested, Erudite should have immediately identified that it would be completely unethical for her to act as a mediator given her gigantic conflict of interest secondary to her being Destiny’s business partner. If what she did in this situation came up in any interview in applying for a position in a clinical psych grad program or residency, she would immediately be rejected given her wholesale failure in judgment in an area that is central to ethical practice in the profession. I raise this last point because Erudite likes to portray herself as an expert in mental health and counselling, and cites this ad nauseam in her discussions pertaining to appropriate behaviour, etc. As a clinical psychologist myself, I consider her a fraud who does not have anywhere near the qualifications to support her incessant appeals to authority, and her actions in my view do an immense disservice to the field
This convo is honestly ssuuuppeerre eery. Shes like "I just wanna make it clear that me and Pxie have known eachother for like a whooooollleeee... Year." Bro thats like the standard amount of time to earn someone's trust in order to manipulate them lol. If you knew her for 10-20 years or something then maybe that would matter but a year? The way she described how Destiny doesnt understand her but Kyla does... Even though Notsoerudite is directly connected to Destiny and still talks to him about the situation. It legit sounds like a pimp sending his bottom chick to talk to one of the hoes that might try to leave, "ah nah babe don't off yourself, I know he has a hard time listening to you. Thats why Im here darling."
Right and wanting so desperately to be in THE head position over vulnerable people who are suffering and wanting connection and money to own and run a mental institution. Creep.
@@DeafKennedys666 She's asking basically asking. "Why do people think I'm a bad person if I want to continue to work with Destiny on our podcast?" And the answer is simple. You're choosing to continue a public business relationship with a horrible man that's abused women. No matter how you slice it, people are going to judge you for that and think you're maybe not a good person because, that means you're willing to look past his abuse, and continue working with him. When most decent people, with decent morals, would realize they wouldn't want to work with a disgusting abuser. And I think she knows this, she's not dumb, she's just trying to make herself not look so bad and persuade people. I'm not buying it.
wow tom got ghislaine maxwell on call 26:25 "willing to work with somebody who f'd up and then also showed remorse and was wiling to try and help the person he f'd over and correct it" AND THATS WHY SHE IS THE GHISLAINE GOAT LETS GOOO
How is that like Ghislane Maxwell? You do know that Ghislane helped find minors for Epstein to grape? Ghislane was an enthusiastic participant in all the fucked up shit Epstein did. Euridite seems like a woman who made a big investment to move to America to start podcasting and other content with Destiny. And then she got thrusted into all of this fucked shit and she is trying to navigate the situation without coming off as the bad guy for Steven and Pxie. Which is going to piss off the people who want to see Destiny burn for this.
" I see tones of evidence that destiny cares for people " I got quite a chortle out of that one lmao 35 year old man that is everything he supposably hates
Tom, I hope it’s not lost on you why she reached out to you. It’s not about Pxie-it’s about her protecting her job. The job she left her actual career back home for. The job that made her husband leave his entire life and career behind. She’s trying to protect Destiny under the guise of 'caring for Pxie,' which she’s used as a shield countless times.
Insanely stupid take, yeah let's just assume that she is lying about being a good friend and someone who dealt with sui cidal people before and think that she would bet all in her integrity as a person to protect her employer, who she called out on his bad behavior in the past
You're correct, however she didn't have a job back home. There was a 2 month gap and she didn't want to get a job, her husband told her to start streaming and 3 days into that she met Destiny and started getting 200-300 viewers a day.
It's not about her protecting her job it's about her protecting her image. Which is fair to do. People not even thinking about the possibility that pxie is probably still alive because she could lean on someone like erudite
@@Novsev9069 which means, just like Destiny, this conversation could've been 2/3rds shorter of they'd stop repeating themselves at least 3 times on a sentence. Lol
It's crazy to look back at Pixies appearance on the Whatever podcast, advocating for her world view on dating, etc, and now knowing what a horrible mess her personal life is. Not to mention being a horrible judge of character. And I'm not trying to victim blame. What happened to her is horrible. I knew Destiny was on this downward spiral and was gonna hit rock bottom, but didn't think it would be for this.
@@Darknight526 Basically aligns with every stereotypical liberal talking point you can think of. She was on the podcast multiple times, including an appearance with Destiny and his ex wife. She absolutely sided with them on his lifestyle choices and sense of morality. Its crazy to see her defending all these people and then seeing how her life is being destroyed by the very people and things she defended. Sexual promiscuity, non- monogamy, etc etc.
@@protoman1214 ok thats actually hilarious. Ive always thought people with those values are terrible people to be around. Ive met some irl. They are always in drama
@@meyeneetuks4680 I don't know if I would say they are all terrible people, but I would absolutely say most people who live that way are terribly unhappy and problematic.
I think the idea that she calls herself Pixie's "friend" while, still supporting the person who shared her nudes and in the same breath saying that it isn't so bad that she would stop working with him, is complete BS. Absolutely absurd. How can I think that she's taking Pixies concerns seriously when everything she says is mitigating how she doesn't think it's that bad? Furthermore, painting herself as a friend and not explicitly saying that she should do X or Y is still common amongst cases of manipulation. I think it's very clear that she manipulated Pixie. Suggesting that a million dollars is too much, she seemed offended that she would want such a high amount for the pain she's suffered. She's still subtly nudging Pixie. Furthermore, the idea that because she 'checks in on her' constantly, is framed as being a good friend could similarly just be to be sure that she knows exactly what is happening, it can be self soothing to know that she's got her finger on Pixie's pulse. Especially if she's concerned primarily not about Pixies health but how negative things would be for her career if she does die. Or to be ready if she started to go public she could be entirely prepared, both to make herself look good and to protect Destiny and her career. Plus I'm nauseated by the constant need for her to frame herself as someone who's doing good making rehab centers and all this other BS just to manipulate perception of her. All in all, the way she framed things didn't convince me she wasn't seeking to manipulate her. She didn't have her best interest in mind clearly. She clearly doesn't think what Destiny did to her is that bad, so just from that alone how I can expect she's taking her seriously? But all that said. Tom did great, W Tom. Tom beat the gooner allegations this time. Tom's been pretty rational through the whole ordeal and way more mature than everyone else involved.
I would agree of Pixie indicated an interest in going public, but with Pixie saying that if it goes public she might end her life, then the only option is some private monetary settlement 🤷. Is there something I'm not understanding?
@@ոakedsquirtle Ultimately, that's not up for Kyla to mediate. By placing herself between them, she is forced to mitigate Pixie's grief and forced to downplay Destiny's actions. We see both at play here: she came onto Tom's channel because PIXIE felt bad Kyla was being "misrepresented", and she also came onto Tom's channel to clear up why she was still friends with Destiny. What Destiny did is vile. Kyla herself didn't think $1 million was the right option for Pixie, but declared that paying for her expenses and therapy would be fine. That, again, betrays her partiality: it is not her right to decide what's best for Pixie-- that's for a qualified, in-person professional (and the law) to decide. She can't be impartial in this instance, and has proven so a few times in this conversation alone. Also, take into account this unfolded in December, and we're only hearing about it now at the tail end of January because the victim took it public. If you were in Erudite's shoes and a business associate of yours-- who's isn't a bad guy (she believes) but has done many messed up wrongs-- sent around nudes of your suicidal friend-- one who strove for years to build herself online as someone separate from Destiny's polycule-- wouldn't you be alight with the fire of justice? Wouldn't you expect your good friend Destiny to take complete accountability instead of sending you to become his go-between? Wouldn't you expect him to shill out immediately or at least ask Pixie what he can do to make things right; and, regardless, own up to everything once Pixie makes her statements public? Wouldn't you expect him, at least, to not minimize what he did and the harm he caused when Pixie did go public?
"Pxie, when will you find it in your heart to find love and forgiveness for Steven" - Lex Friedman
@@tdof7217 LMAOOOOOO
Okay good one 🤣🤣
The best one I have heard is: "Pxie, can you steal man Steven's position?"
For what. The only proof we have is “give me $25,000 and I’ll sue him give me a Million and my will to make sure this never happens again will go away”
lmao, friedman's quote is actually great for dramabaiting
Destiny is such a bro to become a walking ad for "never goon" merch
Wow you really calling sexual pests “bro”
@@samnam715 clearly a joke. even if not i call everyone bro, people i hate, people i love, people im friendly with, people i just met, people i dont know, like cmon bro. chill tf out
@@samnam715 youtube won't let us use the other word 😢
@@samnam715 are you an incel or something?
@@samnam715 are you being ironic, or perhaps unable to process humour?
38:14 “he wasn’t trying to hurt anyone” is ridiculous to me. He is a 35 year old man, not a child. He is also a father and the example he’s setting for his son is atrocious.
He absolutely knows that violating someone’s trust like this is wrong. I despise how some of the members of his community infantilize him by saying this happened due to his untreated ADHD or that he didn’t mean to hurt anyone. He has a pattern of sociopathic behavior and it’s clear that it won’t ever improve unless he faces some massive consequences.
Tom, please leak the funny number on the back of your credit card, I promise I won’t show anyone. On an unrelated note, I need it to impress a discord kitten.
Destiny, is that you?
I hear sending someone else's nudes is a method big streamers use.
@@joj_adcame here to reply with this 😂
Are discord kittens kinda like indoor cats?
@@MADDcartman yes, call ur mom and ask her for a discord kitten
Tom handled this incredibly well, really impressed that the 22 year old is more level headed and mature than all these weirdo 30 year olds.
right? it’s been refreshing seeing him take this seriously when literally all the older mfs are being weird about it
@@froggy5748 weird as in defending destiny or downplaying? i just found out about this drama idk much about it
Ur not wrong but this an uncomfortable amount of glaze
Bro had to lock in for a second💀
Destiny is 36 years old. So 40 year olds is more like it at this point.
Also props to Young Tom, for holding his ground and being real about how the situation looks. Good job overall covering this.
You mean sweeping?
@@punishedf You're regarded
@@punishedfthis was not sweeping lmao
I can't believe how disappointed I am in a man that I've never met.
He was the chosen one. He was supposed to destroy the goonners, not join them
Ever since Anna the writing was on the wall
why are you disappointed?
@@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739 not really. He was growing massively since then
@@WizardofGargalondese and?
Wow its stressful being friend's with nothing but mental patients
Dude, RIGHT?
For real!!!
Welcome to 'Murica
Who knew
Destinys most obsessed hater
real interesting that all the very young female orbiters destiny has all seem to have wild levels of mental instability and/or drug issues. such a stand up guy. in his 30's and seemingly surrounded by lost, impressionable 20 year old girls.
The BPD e-girl nearly half his age pattern has always screamed "It's a feature, not a bug." Destiny is a predator, full stop
He's a new-age, new type Cult Leader, simple as, replace religiousity with Politics and such, same outcomes, guys desperate to affiliate, women desperate to fuck him, all for the clout and charisma he brings.
@@bobby_c07 this was same man who was getting cucked by his wife, so I’m not surprised😆
The internet is sadly filled with mentally unstable women in search of a community and predators who want to prey on them
@@zachtherrien > over 20
> predator
>???
"I wanted to be a mediator for her" "I didnt want to tell Destiny she wants 1 million dollars because Destiny is my friend someone else will have to do that".
Regardless of if she agreed if she wanted to mediate she would have
Also if she knew Destiny wouldnt pay 1million it means she did talk to him about it she just didnt want to tell pxie
Tom wriggling out of the destiny orbit after joining at the worst possible time is some much needed brevity in this mess
Tom can leave easy because he had a career before destiny. The rest of them are still hoping to get some crumbs of money from him
@@theanimerapper6351 To add to that, his audience is more from the Keemstar side of RUclips than Destiny. There might be some overlap, but probably not enough to affect him. If anything I think Tom will do better without Destiny's baggage dragging him down.
I've been watching tom regularly for months and didn't even know he was inside the destiny orbit until this drama dropped "wriggling" out is a bit of a strong term I think
@@benjaminandrews956I agree if you watches Destiny its obvious but if you only watched Tom there was like the video on the main channel but that was kinda is
@benjaminandrews956 Tom kept mentioning how it was him who told Destiny about the Boogie drama, which prompted destiny to look into it and confront Boogie about lying. So I knew they were pals as Tom would joke about how he's the one to give Destiny the scoop on YT dramas 😅
honestly props to tom - im way more used to silly tom, very reflective and direct
i think personally tom has done a great and respectful job on this
One of the things I like about Tom the most is that he can be immature and funny… But really when it calls for he can be sincere, serious, and really thoughtful
@@skysix5733he is pretty serious about his content and job. He knows when he needs to be serious during an interview
Made me resubscribe to him, honestly. I unsubscribed over the Destiny glazing, and now I’m back. Nice to see him handle this horrific situation so well.
As usual! One of my favorite conversations is Tom & Josh Moon, he’s respectful but firm. Thats so hard to do and he wasn’t even 20 yet I think?
@HavianEla what is this destiny glazing that people keep yapping about, everytime I see someone mention it under a video it's just tom being slightly charitable towards destiny 😂
how many chances does Destiny deserve ?? he’s proven a level of insane sexual irresponsibility over and over again, albeit to varying levels. WHAT DO YOU MEAN SECOND CHANCE ?? also the constant “but I’M not bad, right Tom ?? can you say that Tom ??” is so wearing
I’m convinced that the last decade has erased our ability to actually call bad people bad people. They’re so squirmy now and manipulative that they’re able to just go on making money because they’ve “changed” but these are things about you as a person, this is an intrinsic issue in his being-he isn’t a safe person and that’s fine if they want to play that game with him but they’re opening up future, new victims imo
I love Tom, but it’s frustrating that Tom just let the numerous heinous acts of Destiny slide. This is not the first time Destiny has shared revenge porn. He did it 10 years ago when he was a pro StarCraft player. He beat his first wife. He manipulated Anavoir’s mental illness for fun. He emotionally abused Melina. He tried to get a guy fired from his job just for criticizing his involvement with a political campaign. He has an extensive history of flagging videos that criticize him. The recent leaks show him fantasizing about having a child sex servant, and he has made pro-pedophilia statements in the past. He has a long history of saying all people who vote Republican should be murdered. The dude is a sociopath. And hearing Tom sweep for the guy in the past was super frustrating.
Over and over again? What other incidents are you referring to?
@moreekay thats because for the past decade or so if you speak the truth youre the bad guy. Most people dont want to be called the bad guy so they stop enforcing right and wrong which encourages them to keep being slimy turds. "Body positivity" is a great example
@@TheAxeHopper even the president Sunday video went over his long history of doing this to many people... How can you pretend this is the first time
For a dude who always acts so high and mighty/ know it all, destinys life sure is a degenerate mess.
He tends to just talk over people, and try to be contrarian and edgy in a lot of cases.
This is probably almost every streamer/content creator behind the scenes. Still crazy to me that everyone just moved on from the Mizkif stuff which was maybe arguably worse. Just super toxic that people forget super quickly about this stuff and move on like nothing happened.
@@MMasterDE He absolutely does not. Ppl just get upset when he outperforms their idols in debates. The main ppl who think this are the Hasan guzzlers who are actual communist and socialist.
This wasnt obvious after Melina?
@@seiver5353 Feel like he’s always been open about being a sex-pest. If u didn’t see this coming idk what to tell you. He’s still a sound and good debater. I can’t say I care much about this.
Calling out erudite as "ghislaine maxwell" was a bold opener 😂 You're the man, Turkey.
she kinda is. she has done this for him b4
Apt imho.
She seemed nervous, felt like an attempt to break the ice a bit which fell flat
She 100% is. Sticking with him for her career, possibly for her own pleasure. Disgusting creature.
@@AFollowerOfCanti wanna clarify?
She is very detailed about her conversations with Pxie, but a lot less detailed with her conversations with Destiny.
She's still sweeping
Hes in a legal battle rn. No shit bro
@@morphkogan8627 As is Pxie.
@@morphkogan8627 And she should support him in that?
I imagine that she would have been talking more with Pxie
LIL STEVE NEEDS TO STOP GOONING
There’s a difference between gooning and doing straight up illegal shit lol.
It’s just his Destiny to goon to the moon
@@max.aura10kit’s terminal gooner syndrome, introducing porn to others and not being able to engage with romance normally
d is a scumbag, should never have a platform after this, but also deeply mentally unwell.
@@max.aura10kIllegal gooning is still gooning
@@YodielandInhabitant710 💀
"you look like ghislaine maxwell"
"i know"
do ya now?
@@hunterappreciator-r1y admission of guilt.
@@julesfalconehow is that an admission of guilt????
@@giovalladares1022 The answer to your question requires you to possess the necessary comprehension skills; which you don't have as evidenced by the question.
@@julesfalcone 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Sounds like you have no idea what you’re saying and you just can’t justify it. You made a meaningless statement based on nothing but your bias.
She’s a female pimp because she said she’s aware that’s the narrative to how she looks to the public rn. You made a logically unsound statement and instead of admitting your own moronic tendencies you double down by saying “Nuh uh u r 2 dummy 2 get it”
@@julesfalcone clearly didn't watch. Please don't have kids
So much for the anti-redpill and anti-misogyny arc, Tiny.
He was always openly a degenerate though, but this is too much even by his own standards
its so funny how he was always saying shit like "i dont really know what exactly is keeping women out of dgg but i think we just have to ban porn guys"
What would you say the red pill is about?
Not sure if this is a part of redpill
@@TheJanzeFranze Seeing past the lies and manipulations and seeing the underlying truth.
As bad as Destiny may be, Sunday is an objectively horrible human. He is willing to harm whomever he needs to hurt Destiny. Sunday has nothing to gain other than satisfaction from Destiny's downfall. Sunday is purely malicious in every part of all of this. He'd have Pixi dead just to harm Destiny, possibly even pushing for her harm.
It’s interesting that on a video about Destiny’s gross behavior, you’re redirecting the attention to some who’s just way worse lol “Destiny might be a naughty bun, but Sunday is the real villain” 🤪
@@isitoveryet9525bro you’re dumb lmao. He never said Sunday was worst. Reread and come back.
@@isitoveryet9525 yes. there is a difference between doing something bad and stupid 2 years ago, and maliciously and intentionally egging shit on that could lead to someone killing themselves. Grow up.
I actually agree with him that leaking all this stuff even without the victim's consent is still preferable to hiding it. Yea this girl might be harmed but the next one might not consent to Destiny filming her if all this stuff is already public. Who knows how many victims there already are and the excuse is always their privacy for why Destiny should never be held accountable for anything. There's plenty of cases of domestic abuse where the victim is still defending the abuser but we don't care and the law is still gonna get involved. Sorry but sometimes the victim's consent doesn't matter.
@pokewiz9436 isn't that what destiny does ? Now that he is in the receiving end, that doesn't mean the game changes.
"you look like Ghilsaine Maxwell" brooooooo he actually said it lmao based
"you look like Ghislaine Maxwell" with the critikal smile got me lmao
What's crazier is that she accepts it.
@@the-coop because its true, that's what "this" is.
i lol'd good meme
I read Maxwells wikipage and its nothing like what Kyla has done. Probably the worst take by Tom iv ever seen.
this new bridges episode is fire 🔥
Bridges Guest: Rohypnol
``why are you doing this? this isnt your values´´ she said. Woman its not YOUR values, but IT IS HIS VALUES!. Stop enabling bad people.
I think what she was implying was that they weren’t his values, so doing this was pretty despicable.
It's against his stated values. It aligns perfectly with his real ones.
@ i know. but since he have shown to be a goon freak time and time again, then maybe just maybe its just who he is.
exactly hes got a pattern of behaviour and she keeps over looking it over and over and over.
Whether it's his values or not, the fact he did this and has done it multiple times in the past means that if he wasn't caught and punished for the crime he'd probably go on to do this again, whether it's with 5 people or 5000 people.
The fact he's also a huge public figure means he's priortises gooning over his own business and other people's safety.
Like get fucked dude
"Do you think what steven did was shitty? Interlinked."
8:15 "Thank fuck he didn't record someone without their consent"
*Chaeiry enters the chat....
also the hookups he had where he just filmed audio. you KNOW that was filmed that way, because he wanted a recording but knew they wouldnt consent to anything.
this is what ruined it for me
she's(c) so shaken and so was JSTLK. you could feel it
it makes me so sad
Chaeiry hasnt presented evidence unlike Pxie
I wouldn't be surprised if he did lol
@@WizardofGargalondese dawg, the recordings have leaked, everyone has heard her fuck Destiny without her consent to be recorded, you can accept this or not.
If she's tryna be professional about rehabilitation she needs to realize that she CANNOT be the person doing therapy with tiny. Too much conflict of interest, too much of a personal connection with a manipulative person in a situation where someone completely objective and detached needs to be the one in charge.
Is she a therapist? I thought she was the person that administered psychological tests?
@@gamingwhilebroken2355she’s not qualified to do anything in the medical field. She only pretends otherwise to look good in internet debates
@@gamingwhilebroken2355 Yeah. She deliberately misrepresented her qualifications to sound more authoritative. She is not a therapist. And whe she was called out on it, there was a total meltdown.
@@ian_silent mr sunday bro detected
She doesn't seem to be claiming that. I understood her to say that through her experiences in mental health she is opting to not drop her friendship with Destiny because at the outset, but is interested in observing his subsequent commitment to change. When did she insinuate she was acting in the role of therapist?
Finding out they’re actually good friends undeniably changes the dynamic of these text messages as opposed to a business relationship. The only way for erudite to not have these convos with pxie, since the topic will inevitably come up in convo, would be to ghost her completely.
"He is the reason you exist" Tom an absolute MENACE LMAOOOOO
It's the truth 🤷
@andrewvanderhoof2531 yep, she is scrambling cuz she knows if his career takes a dive then she is going with him lol
This was fkin hilarious. I dont think Tom realized what he said tbh
don't act like Tom didn't gain a lot off destiny either. It also helped him ditch a lot of his controversy, and it worked very well. I doubt most people who watch him now even know about any of that.
@@ijclnl48 this isn’t an insult.
Erudite literally blacklisted Chudlogic bcoz of he is a "meanie" but revenge porn it's not as bad as that I guess. Go off queen.
@Constantinch Right?!? Absolutely ridiculous on her part.
She knows she wouldn't have a career without destiny. The only think worse than politics streamers are the orbiters.
TRUE! I cant understand how anyone doesnt see right through this. She says she wanted the part about her friends removed to protect her.. yet the way she worded it was "I would appreciate it if it was removed..". This makes her a MASSIVE hypocrite on so many fronts its insane. She's always willing to forgive the repentant and remorseful huh...Its just total coincidence that Steven is your business partner, friend and clout provider.. and also manages to skirt the line between villain and guy who made a couple mistakes. I continue to believe Erudite is a manipulative, rambling psychopath.
How is this revenge pr0n? He didn't post it on pr0nhub.
1:44 take notes destiny
true.
The recording was consensual
this is funny because destiny is always sure to make sure the other person knows hes recordings. What the f was he doing in those dms man
@@nozers well, the Pix recordings were consensual, so at least he got that part right. 💀💀💀
2:43 bro LMFAO, Tom is redeemed for this, all glazing is forgiven, can’t stop chuckling
Gishlane is hilarious too lmao how in the world did he get Gish-lane lmao
I'm calling it now. When the money is no longer there in her collaboration with Destiny, she will finally come out with a harsher condemnation of Destiny.
Big agree. Pretty surprised she decided to continue the business relationship after this. Guess the money is too good to pass up. She did some weird mental gymnastics, like why is it then ok if he's remorseful about it when it's been shown he's done this with multiple girls and shared them with basically discord "kittens" cause he wants to sex them up too. This actually looks worse than the Vaush Goblin incident cause at least it's all fiction even if it's weird. If the hack never happened, would she be okay with it if she alone found out that he's just sharing recordings of his sexual conquests to random egirls. Seeing Tom's face change rapidly as she's trying to talk her way out of it is hilarious.
@The-Entelechy yeah, mental gymnastics for sure. The fact she really wants to stress how sympathetic she is to people with trauma while simultaneously downplaying the whole sharing video without consent is pretty jarring.
In a couple months time when her show is dead, she will be saying "after some time, I reflected more on the incident and my thoughts have evolved..."
She literally didn't even mention restitution when Tom asked her what Steven should have to pay for spreading Pxie's sex tape. Absolutely insane mental gymnastics to think Steven doesn't owe an insane amount of restitution, at least high 6 figures given his level of public presence. 1 million+ is on the table. If he doesn't settle for that level, she should take him through the discovery process and then all the information that comes out during that can be used for the other victims to take him to court. Likewise, deposing Steven should be fun, especially if he tries to hide any evidence during discovery for when he is deposed, since that now starts becoming criminal.
Dog a lot of girls don’t care about this shit unless it happens to them. Guys will send girls this type of stuff and it works they do it for a reason.
So never.
Dicktiny needs to stop gooning fr
he needs to stop streaming
Let him go to jail for a few months, he'll have a lot of gooning in there.
Gooning is consensual, these are sex crimes.
@@Kuroganemk2For what? Having opinions you don't like?
@@RivetCityRamsey "revenge porn" is illegal in most states. *shrugs*
Erudite comes off as "I'm such a good person look how much help I'm giving" without acknowledging the cold self interest component that should mean she issues a public statement, and stay well clear of this. Getting embroiled is a baaad look.
Especially because she claims to have extensive knowledge in mental health and counseling ect. The average person knows that she should not be mediating this situation. But somehow with her supposed knowledge she doesnt understand the conflict of interest. She whines about how unfair it is that people call her Ghislaine Maxwell and she only ever cared about Pixie. Which is absurd for multiple reasons. First off The fact that Pixie not wanting this to go public also would have benefited Destiny. So no matter what she says we can never trust that she was only motivated by Pixie (again why she shouldve stayed out.of this). Secondly, like how does not wanting Pixie to kill herself somehow absolve her of everything? Yeah, the average person doesnt want someone to kill themselves lol. That's kind of standard. Yet, she uses it as this ultimate debunk. When it's actually pretty irrelevant. Even if she was sending girls to Destiny to take advantage of. It's still gonna be a negative thing if Pixie threatened suicide. So it's just her trying to trying to seem like a saint while avoiding the actual conversation and points people are making
Erudite is only mediating because she has business interest with Destiny lbr. No friend of a victim does something like this. She tried really hard to clear herself most of all very suspicious.
The way she talks sounds like Destiny. It's creepy and gross! She can defend and justify him all she wants, she will learn the hard way one day. You can be the best person to Destiny, however he will find one way or another to fk u over, it's in his nature!
I can understand you believing this if you haven’t actually listened to this talk yet, or if you’re under the age of 25… but what you just said is an incredible stretch. It seems as though there’s not much she could have done in this situation to gain your approval
@@kentontudorYou speak a lot of words and say nothing. You learn from Destiny and Euridite well.
Instead of armchair pretentiousness, why don't you actually point out what OP said is false.
@@carnivorous_vegan destiny glazer spotted..
@@Kurtio_ If she cut destiny off right away people would also see that as a business based decision and portray her as a bad friend. she’s damned either way
I thought she has a background as a counselor? She has to know her role is completely unethical based on the vested interest she had bc of her professional relationship with destiny. Like her going outside the scope of her expertise to mediate what “justice” is for pixie is a HUGE misstep. She should not have been involved past crisis intervention.
Isnt the first time shes done something like that, once a year there's a screaming match about questionable ethics with her "profession"
I feel bad for Pxie. This woman does not have her best interests at heart.
Well she isn't acting in the role of a counselor here, so ....
@@andrewvanderhoof2531acting as a counselor or not, she would know it could be perceived as exploitative given her business ties to destiny. At best, she can be seen as a useful idiot.
And with there being a lawsuit, she likely put herself in a terrible position. Emotionally, I get where she’s coming from. However, it’s not helping destiny beat the “destiny is a cult leader” allegations.
Yes exactly.. and she always talks about her knowledge in psychology. Being a mediator in that situation is already inappropriate
The way how she painted her business relationship with Destiny is hilarious to me. He is not a brand risk to her, he is her life boat that she needs to hold on to.
Sticking with him is convenient for her and it's obvious that if it wasn't, she would be out of the door already.
I don't buy any of her bs.
Thats just not true tho, she is really good on her own and could actually even use this situation to put herself in moral highground and launch some other thing. I feel like the Bridges Podcast could work without Destiny just fine
@@Constantinch life boat ?? She has a degree and working on her second one .
Ya she’s just being dishonest and gross this whole interview. Always gives infinite charity to herself and her meal ticket while she wouldn’t give even 5% of that grace if it was anyone outside of the dgg orbit.
@@zdubzz1280you don't know this though. You're just making things up
@ I absolutely do know. It’s been proven through the leaks she is used as a 3rd arm to represent Steven’s interests and not his victims. I wish Tom had shared her other messages as well with the other 2 parties but I assume she wouldn’t come on if he covered the more damning material. Even from what they cover here, it’s clear she doesn’t care about anything Steven does as she can say it’s all because he has trauma and he’s basically like a child that can’t control himself.
The Ghislaine Maxwell of Destiny Island.
Erudite is a Destiny PSYCHO fan. If Destiny ever asked her to divorce her husband for him she would do it in a week.
I think she is just a monkey that has been swinging her whole life upwards the social status tree
Didn't she open up her relationship for a while? Take a guess why...
Yeah at this point I suspect that every female he comes in contact with joins the D club, including Erudite.
@@HansGuru-fe9dk When did she say that? I know her and Nick separated for a month, but I think that was before she even started streaming (might be wrong)
@@juanmejiagomez5514 I'm not enough of a turbofan to provide videos or timestamps, but I definitely remember her mentioning in one of her own videos that they had temporarily opened up their relationship, but found out it didn't work for them and closed it back up. No idea how long ago that happened or if D-man's D was involved.
This issue is that steven is not her patient, he is her business partner, which should have a totally different standard for association
Business partner and friend* and I respect her for going against the grain and valuing whether there's remorse and what he plans to do to fix it.
Seems like a reasonable standard to have for ending a friendship tbh. Have you ever had a guy show you a nude pic of a girl he slept with? Yeah, that's exactly what destiny did. That's probably a massive segment of the male population. Probably your dad, probably your friends too. Should go ask them.
she's not a therapist though. she's just a mutual friend mediating between friends. There's going to be biases, but that's pretty much how it works in literally any friend group.
@@KOtheRipperhe's a 35 year old man who has been at this for over a decade. if she's willing to throw her friendship and morals under the bus because Steven pinky-promised her he'd do better, she's not just a bad person and a bad friend, she's a _total sucker._ she's not his therapist! she's actively and obviously choosing money over morality and friendships.
@@elen5871 Would you drop your friend because he is addicted to gambling and is therefore causing harm to other people by stealing or would you try to help? And if you try to help and see genuine repent and intentions to change, would you say thats a bad thing to do?
She's doing very interesting thing. Basically saying that he could do worse, and that would cross every line possible, constantly switching the attention from what he did to this hypothetically even more fucked up thing he might've done. It's very clever political manipulation tactics.
she literally knew about chiarys claims of being recorded without consent at this point btw
@@samgray4566 were there new leaks that came out? Or are you infering based on how close kyla is to destiny?
Source?
@@sp00dery "It is only yesterday I became aware that Destiny had recorded me while we had sex without my consent, and with no regard for me, also shared that recording to others."
This is from a Tweet Chaeiry made yesterday.
chaeiry is not someone I think should be trusted without hard evidence. She has been questionable at best in the past. I would've trusted an allegation from Pxie with no evidence a lot more.
@adamaslondraya im inferring based on the victims statements
Crazy to have the name “erudite” and not understand that in the situation people might think she has the opportunity for secondary gain because of working with destiny
“This is a big fuck up” girl it’s a CRIME?? I cannot stand Erudite
Lmao, she literally said she supported the lawsuit
She knows sharing sexually explicit images without permission is illegal 😂
You’re so desperate to be mad that you’re getting upset with her for agreeing with you 🤣
erudite is the worst and has always been competing for destinys #1 orbiter, and her bf is a cuck to destiny which is something that i didnt think to be possible
AKA... a big fuck up?
The Destiny leaks are worse the the Bowblax leaks. Bowblax is only hurting himself. Steven is hurting a shit tone of people. Was anyone here caught off-guard by this? When the Mr Girl article came out we all thought it was ridiculous however it clearly showed that he was so messy with whoever he slept with. Clearly he didn't learn anything from it. Imagine being a public person and not only creating private sexual material but then also sharing it with randoms? He had so many opportunities to get his shit together and he didn't. Pathetic.
Bowblax tried hurting other people he just happens to be very bad at it.
It’s just not possible to take the Mr. Girl article seriously because of the events that led to Max making it in the first place as well as how he went about it and the people he inappropriately interviewed for it. It never was and never will be. Potentially could have even been a story, but he was never the person to make it.
@@Dasqal oh yeahhh I forgot about that part
@@a.c.forever5157 I agree with you. I'm not siding with the article or Mr. Girl. However I feel like for a debate/political streamer I knew way to much about his sex life before the article anyway. Which is why Mr Girl based the article on it (I assume anyway).
Yeah I have been caught off guard, I don't watch him but watch creators a couple of steps removed, so hear a bit about him or others in his sphere. I knew him and his wife were in an open relationship before they got divorced and I knew he had a reputation for having a lot of sex and being into some weird stuff.
However I nievely assumed it was all consentually done with other people who were also either in open relationships/polyandrous, and /or with other people in the link community... Not going after young mentally ill women who have zero, or barely any experience with sex, nevermind kink. Who he leads on, lies to, lies about not dating/being involved with and generally doesn't seem to value at all.
It's over for DGG, we had a good run boys.
What did the disc golf gang have to do with this??
Does anyone else think she has a Destiny like cadence? The way she ends sentences drives me up a wall
basically all of his orbiters have it to some degree.
What's more weird, her husband got her to stream and get close to destiny... now she has his mannerism, think about that
I thought that immediately. Similar vocabulary too.
@@earthstroyerthey all try to sound like that. This generation of content creators barely have an original style, just blatantly mimicing other people
yeah i noticed it too. She sounds so much like him. She even often uses the same words he uses. Many of the destiny community are kind off like that though. There are so many people on reddit who copy his whole vocabulary and oppinions.
I’m just too good of a person to cut ties with Steven, totally not because of the money or career
According to KF this lady moved her whole life and changed her own career to be Destiny’s top orbiter. It’s obvious she needs his money. She’s STILL caping for him. This lady got her claws into Pxie and convinced her her caring was genuine. She’s obviously demonized Erin who definitely had her number according to the DMs where Erin says Erudite wouldn’t care about consent-because she’ll cape for Steven anyway
I don't think it's the money or career, I think for Erudite it's all about the attention and ego.
@@--Justin-- It would be about attention and ego if she had slightly more money, but as it stands she needs money. She was sleeping in her car a few months ago.
@ If she was sleeping in her car a few months ago it's because her incessant need for attention keeps her in front of a camera instead of earning money in her actual profession. If she had a solo channel making content and didn't interact with other streamers she'd be a 5-viewer-Andy.
@@Anonymouslytiredjust say lie cap is so stupid
Her reasoning is so braindead, I dont give up on clients who are degenerates so I wont do the same for friends, there’s a reason you dont befriend clients though
It amazes me that 9 people actually liked this comment. The internet has broken everyone’s brain
@@kentontudor How am I wrong?
I get where she's coming from, but when Tom asks her questions pertaining to her specifically, I'm hearing a lot of Steven this Steven that.
There were moments where it seemed like she was just going off topic because she didn’t know a good way of answering the question directly.
@a.c.forever5157 yep especially when it took her forever to answer about still associating with him. She kept bringing up the criminal act of recording without consent. I'm glad Tom pushed her on that.
I mean she was talking a lot about herself and tbf if all she did was talk about herself to every question, commenters would say she's doing all this for attention and making it about herself. She's not in any position where anything she does aside from totally kill her professional relationship with Steven which basically ends any hope for her ambitions.
But she has a point in defending herself about what has been said about her, there wasn't actually anything wrong with any of the messages and still everyone in these comments is calling her Ghislaine Maxwell like she pulled a Maya and confronted Pxie asking her to keep her mouth shut. If we're being realistic, wtf is she supposed to do?
As for her moral POV, makes perfect sense for an addiction counselor. I have a friend who is a psychologist for rehabilitating criminals back into society and she speaks just like this and would have this exact same view.
@ I think what people have a problem with ultimately is the fact that she’s kind of playing both sides. I don’t think she’s doing this out of complete selfishness, but it seems a lot of people see it that way, and understandably so.
@@a.c.forever5157she is playing the hand she was dealt. Thats all she can do. This isnt Twitter, kids, this is a real life actionable thing that actually affects peoples livelyhoods and viability. No one cares about virtue signaling "oh in a perfect world in the perfect situation where everything is perfect and happy this is exactly what should happen" thats not real. Real life is hard, gritty, infinite amounts of Grey area, and motivations, and things, not just one solid line and two sides
The fact that NSE is still friends and colleagues with the person who committed crimes against her suicidal friend is all we need to know.
This person would be a great HR manager. Such a squirmy bullshit artist lol. Hope the girl who got leaked doesn't believe this person is actually her friend.
It would probably be best for eurodite not to communicate with pixie given the obvious conflicts of interest and the way her actions can be interpreted.
@@mufasah342 the thing with that is she feels that pixie is endangering her life, so eurodite probably doesn’t care how she appears if her life may be at risk
Yes, she should abandon her suicidal friend so people on the internet don't think she's bad. Thank you wise one.
@@mufasah342 very much - from what has been shown there is no real evidence she did anything actually wrong (and even could have been the main person helped pixie though the scariest phase of the situation), but anything she does other than other than ditch Destiny with respect to this will throw up TONS of red flags (and if she genuinely is the type of person who thinks she can help him "do the right thing" I can understand why she really doesn't want to do that)
I mean they're friends in real life so it's not really any of yours or anybody else's business how they communicate...
@@jefferno08 i doubt that anyone thinks suicide is actually on the table.
Erudite’s incredibly manipulative and disingenuous. As someone who works in the field of addiction I’m disgusted that she’d invoke her profession to sweep for Destiny. Her constant invocation of her past profession is disgusting ESPECIALLY as she claims that her stance is primarily motivated by her “concern” for Pxie.
“Rehabilitative justice” is about holding offenders accountable- not assuming the offender won’t commit the same crime again because they went to therapy. I’ve also worked with drug addicts and criminally involved folks, and no one in the field would argue that an offender gets a pass for harming someone- whether they “paid their bills” or not. The fact that she’s a business partner with the offender would disqualify her from any role in helping the victim as a professional.
Her refusal to acknowledge that Destiny’s offer of money looks like a buy off, and then saying IT SEEMED LIKE THE RIGHT THING TO DO speaks volumes. She’s either so emotionally invested in Destiny that she can’t see the obvious or she’s covering for Destiny. Her obsession with repeating “at least the recording had her consent” and then giving Destiny credit for not secretly recording speaks to this transparent shilling.
The fact that she clothes her motivations as “concern for Pxie” makes this all the grosser. She should know full well that someone can have concern for a friend AND emotionally manipulate them for your own financial interests. Her pushing Tom on the point was textbook manipulation. I hope she never works in the mental health field again- awful ethics.
The fact that people cant see through this manipulation is wild. Everything she's being accused of somehow is just a huge misunderstanding! All these times Erudite seemed like NotSoGhislaine Maxwell were actually her being super caring and supportive of Pixie!! Like if she actually cared about Pixie she wouldve said "I support you no matter what. I'm here to listen." but no she had to insert herself into a situation where she has conflicting interests. Sure obviously she didnt want Pixie to kill herself. But Pixie staying quiet would also benefit Destiny. She can Claim all she wants that she only cared about Pixies mental health but that's just never not gonna seem super fucking sketchy. Some other manipulative things I noticed. The sad girl voice. Her downplaying Destiny actions by comparing it to two bros sharing a nude. When what he did was way worse. He used nudes and possibly secret audio recordings as social proof to convince new sexual partners that he is worthy. Then she claims "What Destiny did was bad but the hacker is da real criminal!!" Like just because what Destiny did ismt technically a crime doesnt mean it isnt equally reprehensible if not worse than the hackers actions. Then she claimed "Destiny didnt want to hurt anyone" as if she has any authority to say that as an absolute fact. I'm sorry but somehow immediately trying to get in front of accusations and say and do all the right things does not convince me. Destiny isnt stupid. He knows there's gonna be a paper trail. Of course he's going to do all the "right" things. By Erudites logic everytime a murder cries out to the judge and jury about how remorseful they are we should just take their word for it!
Kyla keeps trying to center it on Destiny sharing Pxies nudes when he shouldn't have, by now we know hes been doing this to lots of people, taking videos and photos of multiple people and sending them to multiple people
Pxie is one of 5+ people now, not the only issue
16:20 "I didn't think it'd be a big deal" is the smoking gun if that's his exact words.
26:20 "So you're okay with working with a piece of shit, to be clear?"
Yeah that was shocking
i bet there exists a clip of destiny exactly saying this behavior is wrong or innappropriate
@@perfectiondreamusa I mean on a regular basis during his ‘consent’ arc he’d hype up his knowledge of what consent is and how much he understands it.
Wouldn't it be more of a smoking gun if he said he did know it was a big deal and still did it? I'm not really sure what this comment is saying.
Is anybody buying this? It makes 0 sense for her to have interjected herself into this at all, other than as a means of damage control to protect her cash cow. She's injecting all this tangential nonsense to distract from the fact she, as a heavily biased party, really had no business playing mediator here. Even (and esoecially) if Pxie was suicidal, it's an enourmas conflict of interest for Kayla to be playing pointman.
Shes also choosing her words veeery carefully so as to not actually commit to any particular action on her part regarding her future with Destiny.
This is just her running heavily calculated PR for herself.
Erudite gave an example of a time she went to check up on a friend in the space, and the word friend is kind of loose. Since I've known about her it's something she regularly does. She's been the "adult" in the room for a while for problematic situations. And so many people around her seem to come to her with problematic stuff as well.
Why? It's simply what she does. I don't know if pxie would have "sign off" if erudite didn't interject. She would have been talking to someone. And pxie seemed to trust erudite like she trusted her other friend who leaked their interactions.
Idk, it just seems like a lot of people aren't thinking about pxie's piv or even thinking about pxie at all fr
I don't think you watched the video or read the text messages. Pxie specifically requested for her to be the mediator because she didn't want to speak to Destiny directly. Before that she went to Pxie to check on her.
@@thetrib1 It's funny cuz a lot of streamers will tell you that no streamer is actually a friend to any other streamer. It's all clout chasing for money.
@ there's levels of friend and there's levels of clout chasing. what would be the clout chasing thing to do in this situation? wouldn't it be to shit on destiny?
@@thetrib1 nope, because Destiny will be fine through this and will continue to make millions. He might pay a few dollars, but he will be fine just like all the sex pest streamers before him. These other girls are boring with no audience on their own. They need Destiny.
She spends so much time with destiny she speaks with the same cadence
i spent alot of time with my brother and best friend does that mean i have the same cadence? no i don't and you don't know either you can hang around someone without being like someone else
Tom and Erudite will fall in love thanks to both of them becoming disillusioned with Epsteiny. Heartwarming. ❤️
get off the stage 🍅🍅🍅🍅
Bruh Kyla already in love with Destiny
Destiny dindu nuffin
NO HES ALREADY IN LOVE WITH THE DOG GIRL 😤
They are already in a triangle with Diddyny
Kyla is absolutely out of her mind if she believes these actions aren't in accordance with Steven's "principals." She needs to wake up and see that he's not the Messiah, and does, actually, need to suffer consequences for hurting the people who trusted him the most.
Everyone is comparing him to Epstein, which I get, but I actually don't think that is a very good comparison. Epstein's victims didn't love him, or protect him, or go to bat for him. Destiny is Keith Raniere, and his "Orbiters" are his NXIVM sex cult.
Really considerate of her/the group* to be concerned with consent when it comes to sharing things and DMs... Now. Early December 2024 and before? Not so much.
Also really nice of Erulane Maxdite to run her official statements by Steven first.
This is like if ghislain Maxwell called the new York times
How?
That would be a really interesting interview if it happened
how is a sex trafficker at all equivalent to this situation?
@@Aegis_7VIII’m trying to figure that out too. It’s as if people forgot the subject matter surrounding that case entirely.
It's exactly like that
Im gonna take an unpopular stance.
I agree with most of what Kyla is saying. Everyone is human. And normally, thats how we deal with it. We appologize, and try our best to make good to the people we hurt.
This time specifically, there are business interests at play.
Destiny has a strong talent and drive to be a front facing public figure. He is one of the strongest assets to the moderate left.
But my point is, I think its understandable that Kyla is conflicted, and maybe even doing mental gymnastics.
I think I speak for all moderate leftists/progressives when I say this:
When the world needed Destiny the most, he was too busy gooning. What a dissapointment.
this comment right here lol. icarus' gooner, he gooned too close to the sun
Actually, every person except me and the people I like should be condemned for eternity for any mistakes they make ever. I am very intelligent.
@@RivetCityRamsey I condemn everything Destiny did here. Why is he constantly banging 19/20 year olds as a grown ass man? Why is he not a father to his child? Why is he sharing someone's nudes without consent? Probably more.
Yeah yeah, this is what I was thinking. I agree.
I'm like 50/50. I think Kyla is probably doing her best to support both of her friends, but I also think she probably should stay clear from the blast zone for a bit, because she's getting involved where she doesn't need to be.
Her dumbing down of a 36 year old man's actions like he's some sort of mental patient is insane
yeah, hes a grown ass man creating teenage drama
destiny's emotional immaturity is unreal
He has a cult fan base and social group. They will support/defend and excuse his actions no matter what
These fake 'logic' people are pure evil, they can downplay the most disgusting shit if they like the person but over inflame a small situation into something massive if they don't.
He is a mental patient. Trust me no one with a working brain can take 60mg of vyvance and be that calm.
"I'm not comfortable with her getting a million dollars"
Well lawyers, judges, and the law don't care if Erudite is comfortable or not.
Erudite is so slimy acting like the point of you bringing up her financial reliance on Destiny is to give her business advice. The point is she's COMPROMISED and Destiny walking away from this unscathed is very much in her own personal interest. She even acted confused about what she could possibly gain from defending Destiny. There's no way she's that stupid but she does think/hope the audience is that stupid.
Also she's literally on a visa to the US based on "investing" in that podcast that she does with Destiny. If he gets damaged enough and cancels the podcast her streaming career might be over, she'd be unemployed and probably have to go back to Canada. Lets not pretend that all that isn't extremely relevant to her insistence that Destiny is a changed man and that we should give him a path to redemption.
well put!
so if i am around my brother all the time does that mean i'm compromise? no its not you base all of these things based upon incomplete evidence and facts without knowing the whole story of what happen
It’s kinda creepy how much hold Destiny has on people.
Youve gotta feel for erudite. She was making moves to get into the political mainstream, become a serious political commentary and campaign figure, left canada, moved to miami just for destiny to fuck up their joint podcast all but instantly.
Nahhh Erudite running hard defense 🪦🪦🪦
@@carlrosar6300 lol point it out
@@gnomechump-stiny7128from 0:00 to 1:14:28
@@gnomechump-stiny7128 Her harping on the fact that he had consent for the recording and saying "yeah he's done bad things and knows he's wrong" but not condemning him lmao take ur blinders off bud
dam she is so full of shit talking about the law when she have no clue about the law it seems like i feel have nothing to do with the law
Wished Tom would have nailed her down on her future business ties with Destiny. Continuing a personal/private relationship is one thing, but not severing the business relationship makes her actions suspect.
Yes because you could tell she was struggling to justify it. Really cringe.
The left is full of terrible unmoral people. They're literally Good people do not have to virtue signal
Well she kinda uprooted her entire life for a podcast with him and he's the biggest personality on there so if he's gone then her job is gone lol
@ yup, but it’s over for her anyway. Might as well salvage what she has left.
Didn’t she say that if what chaeiry wrote turns out to be true (that he recorded people without consent) she would cut ties with him?
Miss I Hate the Patriarchy, sleeping with streamers to get ahead 🤣🤣
Wow, turns out letting a weirdo who you aren't in a relationship with record you, isn't a good idea.
For sure lol. I don't feel bad for anyone here honestly.
Tom, you handled this really well. It's unfortunate that Kyla has chosen business over ethics and morals. This decision is going to affect how people see her going forward.
Destiny and erudite are fucking for sure
@@Tyler56866 exactly my thoughts. They've gotta be
No really? The girl who went on a 7 month break with her husband the same time she met Destiny is fucking him? Say it aint so.
No they are goon maxing in the trance dance of sheets
25:41 This is basically Erudite arguing "well unless there's a law against it"
Using the justice system as a moral compass is lazy at best
@@luedrue8061 proof she doesnt really care. She doesn’t wanna outright say it cuz she doesnt wanna look bad
No, she literally explained it, filming someone without their consent or knowledge would be on a different level, the law acknowledges that, and she just agrees with it.
It’s bothering me how much she compares Destiny to her past clients. There is a difference between having a client and being friends with someone. As someone in the social work field, I am not friends with my clients. If they do something deplorable, I will choose to believe they can change. If I am friends with someone who did that and continues to do these things, I can believe they can change but not remain friends because they did irreparable damage to another human being. Her argument on whether he did it maliciously is like stabbing vs. murdering someone. Both are equally fucked up and duh things not to do.
That hush money scandal 😂😂
The only reason Destiny can't make a public apology is that he would be legally liable. If he was genuinely sorry, he would be okay with this.
Yeah, you don't apologize so you aren't sued. That's legal advice 101 and you're in a legal situation sooo.
56:12 Bro. Talking about destiny's trauma is so off base. All she's trying to desperately do here is get out with as little shit on her as possible while still remaining in destiny's orbit.
I think she really needs to appreciate that "you are the company you keep", so staying by Steven is her choice.
oh my god she talks exactly like him, this is so hard to watch
Honestly, I get where Erudite is coming from. I can’t imagine dealing with type of situation in your personal life, but then to have all this under the public magnifying glass… Sometimes it can feel too overwhelming to cut off a relationship at the drop of the hat, it’s something you separate from gradually as you come to terms the fact that it’s the right choice. This is especially true if you’re someone who takes on the role of peacemaker/mediator in a lot of relationships. I hope she gets there, but I empathize with the situation she is in and how cutting off a friendship like this might be too hard a pill to immediately swallow.
As always, appreciate Tom’s mature and thoughtful handling of the situation.
Yeah a lot of people seem to be breathing down her neck to cut ties immediately, as if information didn't JUST drop and shit is still being figured out. I would also wait and see here how things unfold and judge my friend based on how they handle things, and whether or not they'd be willing to change.
Nobody is looking at this from the perspective of a friend, it's easy to say shit outside looking in but literally why the fuck would anyone care about what a bunch of parasocial rarts think about your personal situation.
What are you talking about, why can't you imagine it? My friend does what he did I'm not longer friends with them, there's no need for me to insert myself in the middle of it like she did for no reason. Unless she had another motive to shield destiny so their trash podcast can continue
Was this an interview with Destiny using a voice changer? Scary how influenced people become by Dbag that they sound like him. Cultish....
30:34 the fact Kyla doesn’t understand why this bothers people is part of her issue. Also, she should not be so involved personally in so many of these situations - refer people to get help you are not the ‘savior’ of all these people.
Does she really not understand or is she just attempting to gaslight?
@@flamingpie6494 true
@@blankies6203 yep
I doubt someone of your intelligence has ever had a thought more insightful than her in any area of life
@@e87w76 wow, that comment added a lot of insight and really opened my eyes to why its wrong to shame Kayla for continuing to work with destiny
Kinda wild that her excuse was she wont stop being friends with him. If my friend/businesses partner was committing sex crimes. They would've be my friend anymore.
Damn, kinda wild but go off i guess
Its not a sex crime tho
I've dropped friends for less. How long has she even known Destiny? They're not like childhood best friends or anything
@@xonai7revenge porn is a sex crime
@@lazylurker2842 friends since the exact moment he gave her a massive audience and platform. weird how that works
I dont really believe a word Erudite says about Destiny. I do believe she has genuine concern for Pixie, but she would walk on a road of razorblades barefoot for Destiny. He made her career take off.
She is just as bad as Destiny. I like her even less because she preaches about shit like empathy which makes her look even more hypocritical.
Dont worry guys he had permission to record it
Oh good!
Oh, i was worried it was worse!
It's not an unimportant part. It would be significantly worse to record without consent.
Regardless of what Pxie requested, Erudite should have immediately identified that it would be completely unethical for her to act as a mediator given her gigantic conflict of interest secondary to her being Destiny’s business partner. If what she did in this situation came up in any interview in applying for a position in a clinical psych grad program or residency, she would immediately be rejected given her wholesale failure in judgment in an area that is central to ethical practice in the profession. I raise this last point because Erudite likes to portray herself as an expert in mental health and counselling, and cites this ad nauseam in her discussions pertaining to appropriate behaviour, etc. As a clinical psychologist myself, I consider her a fraud who does not have anywhere near the qualifications to support her incessant appeals to authority, and her actions in my view do an immense disservice to the field
This convo is honestly ssuuuppeerre eery. Shes like "I just wanna make it clear that me and Pxie have known eachother for like a whooooollleeee... Year." Bro thats like the standard amount of time to earn someone's trust in order to manipulate them lol. If you knew her for 10-20 years or something then maybe that would matter but a year? The way she described how Destiny doesnt understand her but Kyla does... Even though Notsoerudite is directly connected to Destiny and still talks to him about the situation. It legit sounds like a pimp sending his bottom chick to talk to one of the hoes that might try to leave, "ah nah babe don't off yourself, I know he has a hard time listening to you. Thats why Im here darling."
Right and wanting so desperately to be in THE head position over vulnerable people who are suffering and wanting connection and money to own and run a mental institution. Creep.
She’s out here talking to some dude named Turkey Tom instead of an attorney. Lmaooooo
0 points in self awareness or survival
Turkey Tom is very intelligent even better than most attorneys, in fact I would trust him with my life
what use is there for her specifically talking to attorneys over a civil matter that she isn't involved in?
@@sarkastikoverlord8707 If he was filming her without consent, that's criminal. Personally, in her position, I would talk to a lawyer.
@@humanmerelybeing1966 she wasn’t involved in the situation 💀 she isn’t in the lawsuit at all 😂😂
lmao "Why does continuing to associate with an abuser of women implicate my character?"
Gheeze, idk, big mystery here Erudite.
Can someone explain this to me? I have 2 IQ points
@@DeafKennedys666 She's asking basically asking.
"Why do people think I'm a bad person if I want to continue to work with Destiny on our podcast?"
And the answer is simple.
You're choosing to continue a public business relationship with a horrible man that's abused women.
No matter how you slice it, people are going to judge you for that and think you're maybe not a good person because, that means you're willing to look past his abuse, and continue working with him.
When most decent people, with decent morals, would realize they wouldn't want to work with a disgusting abuser.
And I think she knows this, she's not dumb, she's just trying to make herself not look so bad and persuade people.
I'm not buying it.
Tom doesn't like being a destiny orbiter anymore
Is it just me or does she speaks exactly like destiny. Like a Female Destiny
wow tom got ghislaine maxwell on call
26:25 "willing to work with somebody who f'd up and then also showed remorse and was wiling to try and help the person he f'd over and correct it" AND THATS WHY SHE IS THE GHISLAINE GOAT LETS GOOO
How is that like Ghislane Maxwell? You do know that Ghislane helped find minors for Epstein to grape? Ghislane was an enthusiastic participant in all the fucked up shit Epstein did.
Euridite seems like a woman who made a big investment to move to America to start podcasting and other content with Destiny. And then she got thrusted into all of this fucked shit and she is trying to navigate the situation without coming off as the bad guy for Steven and Pxie. Which is going to piss off the people who want to see Destiny burn for this.
@@radicalcentrist5665she is like Ghislane she knows what tiny did is fucked but because money she is cool with it fixed your comment
" I see tones of evidence that destiny cares for people " I got quite a chortle out of that one lmao 35 year old man that is everything he supposably hates
Tom, I hope it’s not lost on you why she reached out to you. It’s not about Pxie-it’s about her protecting her job. The job she left her actual career back home for. The job that made her husband leave his entire life and career behind. She’s trying to protect Destiny under the guise of 'caring for Pxie,' which she’s used as a shield countless times.
Yep 100%, she is desperate to paint herself out as a hero.
100%
Insanely stupid take, yeah let's just assume that she is lying about being a good friend and someone who dealt with sui cidal people before and think that she would bet all in her integrity as a person to protect her employer, who she called out on his bad behavior in the past
You're correct, however she didn't have a job back home. There was a 2 month gap and she didn't want to get a job, her husband told her to start streaming and 3 days into that she met Destiny and started getting 200-300 viewers a day.
It's not about her protecting her job it's about her protecting her image. Which is fair to do. People not even thinking about the possibility that pxie is probably still alive because she could lean on someone like erudite
It’s weird that she kind of has the same cadence as destiny she literally sounds like a female destiny
@@Novsev9069 which means, just like Destiny, this conversation could've been 2/3rds shorter of they'd stop repeating themselves at least 3 times on a sentence. Lol
It's crazy to look back at Pixies appearance on the Whatever podcast, advocating for her world view on dating, etc, and now knowing what a horrible mess her personal life is. Not to mention being a horrible judge of character.
And I'm not trying to victim blame. What happened to her is horrible. I knew Destiny was on this downward spiral and was gonna hit rock bottom, but didn't think it would be for this.
what was her world view on the Whatever podcast on dating?
@@Darknight526 Basically aligns with every stereotypical liberal talking point you can think of.
She was on the podcast multiple times, including an appearance with Destiny and his ex wife.
She absolutely sided with them on his lifestyle choices and sense of morality.
Its crazy to see her defending all these people and then seeing how her life is being destroyed by the very people and things she defended. Sexual promiscuity, non- monogamy, etc etc.
@@protoman1214 ok thats actually hilarious. Ive always thought people with those values are terrible people to be around. Ive met some irl. They are always in drama
@@meyeneetuks4680 I don't know if I would say they are all terrible people, but I would absolutely say most people who live that way are terribly unhappy and problematic.
I think the idea that she calls herself Pixie's "friend" while, still supporting the person who shared her nudes and in the same breath saying that it isn't so bad that she would stop working with him, is complete BS. Absolutely absurd. How can I think that she's taking Pixies concerns seriously when everything she says is mitigating how she doesn't think it's that bad?
Furthermore, painting herself as a friend and not explicitly saying that she should do X or Y is still common amongst cases of manipulation. I think it's very clear that she manipulated Pixie. Suggesting that a million dollars is too much, she seemed offended that she would want such a high amount for the pain she's suffered. She's still subtly nudging Pixie. Furthermore, the idea that because she 'checks in on her' constantly, is framed as being a good friend could similarly just be to be sure that she knows exactly what is happening, it can be self soothing to know that she's got her finger on Pixie's pulse. Especially if she's concerned primarily not about Pixies health but how negative things would be for her career if she does die. Or to be ready if she started to go public she could be entirely prepared, both to make herself look good and to protect Destiny and her career. Plus I'm nauseated by the constant need for her to frame herself as someone who's doing good making rehab centers and all this other BS just to manipulate perception of her.
All in all, the way she framed things didn't convince me she wasn't seeking to manipulate her. She didn't have her best interest in mind clearly. She clearly doesn't think what Destiny did to her is that bad, so just from that alone how I can expect she's taking her seriously? But all that said. Tom did great, W Tom. Tom beat the gooner allegations this time. Tom's been pretty rational through the whole ordeal and way more mature than everyone else involved.
I would agree of Pixie indicated an interest in going public, but with Pixie saying that if it goes public she might end her life, then the only option is some private monetary settlement 🤷. Is there something I'm not understanding?
@@ոakedsquirtle Ultimately, that's not up for Kyla to mediate. By placing herself between them, she is forced to mitigate Pixie's grief and forced to downplay Destiny's actions. We see both at play here: she came onto Tom's channel because PIXIE felt bad Kyla was being "misrepresented", and she also came onto Tom's channel to clear up why she was still friends with Destiny.
What Destiny did is vile. Kyla herself didn't think $1 million was the right option for Pixie, but declared that paying for her expenses and therapy would be fine. That, again, betrays her partiality: it is not her right to decide what's best for Pixie-- that's for a qualified, in-person professional (and the law) to decide. She can't be impartial in this instance, and has proven so a few times in this conversation alone.
Also, take into account this unfolded in December, and we're only hearing about it now at the tail end of January because the victim took it public. If you were in Erudite's shoes and a business associate of yours-- who's isn't a bad guy (she believes) but has done many messed up wrongs-- sent around nudes of your suicidal friend-- one who strove for years to build herself online as someone separate from Destiny's polycule-- wouldn't you be alight with the fire of justice? Wouldn't you expect your good friend Destiny to take complete accountability instead of sending you to become his go-between? Wouldn't you expect him to shill out immediately or at least ask Pixie what he can do to make things right; and, regardless, own up to everything once Pixie makes her statements public? Wouldn't you expect him, at least, to not minimize what he did and the harm he caused when Pixie did go public?