Uh oh! Sounds like they didn't do proper vac metal clear sealent coating on them. Even this early joint flaking wear is a extremely bad sign. Anyone remember the transformers beast wars transmetal rat trap? That thing started flaking as soon as you took it out of the package when it was released back in the day. That's what happens when you skip seal coating vac metal.And I hate to say it, but high articulation flaking wear excuse is total bull muffins. Look at the vintage figures arm sockets. every part of those arms are vac metal. Including the peg /male conector that the arm swings on. I beat the heck out of those figure, and swung the arms and legs religiously. And you know what? those socket joints were the most prestine part of the vac metal on all those figures to this very day. Those weren any less friction stressed than a ball joint or modern hinge. Modern plastics not taking the vac metal process I could believe, but joint friction being the bigger issue? No. The actual reason companies stopped doing the vac metal process is because it was litterally poisoning the factory workers. So in actuality for Super7 to do vac metalling again they either need to throw ethics and factory workers health to the wind. Or go back to reinvent the wheel on vac metalling to make it safer. Which one do you think would have them not admit those problems or changes in the process? The answer to that is probably worse than consumers would want to believe....
I guess the positive side is that this is good news for my wallet. I've been cutting back on collectibles in general, and I never did buy the previous versions from S7. I was kind of tempted by these. I definitely prefer the look of Monstar and Buzz-Saw in their toy colors. As a kid, I had the main 5 Silverhawks, Commander, Stargazer, Flashback... and on the villains side I only had Monstar and Buzz-Saw, so those two villain figures in those colors are very nostalgic for me. The vac metal S7 figures look cool, but I've been worried what that would mean from a QC perspective, and based on this video, it is not good. Also I had noticed in pic that Quicksilver seemed a little too dark in color, and this video confirms that. While I am otherwise nostalgic for the vac metal look, and while it is annoying that these came out after Brian said they couldn't be done.... what REALLY bothers me is that we never got the versions that were promised early on. In some interview with Brian (it may have been that same one you had with him when he said vac metal couldn't be done), he had said that they were going to try to get find paint that would be as shiny in color as possible, but without doing a vac metal/chromed look. I was interested in seeing how that would turn out, at it seemed like a reasonable compromise. But instead, they released them in these dull, not at all shiny, supposedly "cartoon accurate" colors, which didn't do much for me, so with that coinciding with when I was starting to cut back on collectibles anyway, I opted to not bother with them. Then they announced these toy variants with the Vac Metal. I was potentially interested, but annoyed on behalf of those who already bought the previous versions (and REALLY glad that I hadn't bought them), but also concerned based on what Brian said when you interviewed him when they were first shown. He made it sound like there would be plenty of replacements available, etc., basically anticipating there being a lot of problems with these. That didn't give me much hope. And it was still contrary to what fans had been told, even if somehow they would have come out without any major issues. But as seen in your video here, there ARE some glaring issues. And given all that is now known, I would still prefer those theoretical versions with really shiny paint and no vac metal, but we will likely never get those. Heck, even if they were to try to release those, how many people would actually buy them? Anyone who bought the first versions thinking they'd be the only options, and then bought these only to have some major QC issues are NOT likely to give S7 their money again on more versions of these absurdly overpriced figures. On some level Monstar and Buzz-Saw are tempting to me, but if I'm not getting the main heroes, I don't have much interest in collecting just the villains. This whole thing is a mess.
@@ZedMazaus480 As someone with several Soul of Chogokin figures it isn't "bull muffins" as you put it, Chrome on modern toys scruffs and flakes super easy.
@@ZedMazaus480 No, it has nothing to do with sealant coating. It's not worth it. This is a case of people just saying that they want a thing without knowing how it's actually done.
That first version of silver hawk should have been painted silver instead of that gray. If he was painted with a metallic silver I don’t think fans would have cried out for vac metal as much. I’m not a Silverhawks collector just an observer.
I could be misremembering but didn't Brian say at one point that they made some adjustments to the sculpt so that there was more clearance around the joints to help minimize rubbing? If so, that would explain the shoulder joints. Doesn't mean anyone has to like it, of course. I also recall Brian said that the production process meant that the arm and joints (for example) are made and then the vacmetal is applied to the entire arm+joint but the vacmetal can't really adhere to the joint plastic very well so chipping of the joints was basically guaranteed from the start (I realize you probably know all of this, just commenting on this for the community who might see my comment.)
THat's correct. because vac metal basically is dipping the entire piece to the paint so it adds thickness. So to counter it you will have to sand off the part to make it fit easier. I don't have a set of these vac metal silverhawks but I suspect in person, the parts will will less elastic that what you normally would get.
@@ConstantineCydoneaI don’t think that’s fair. Brian said they couldn’t do it at the time. They had to redesign the joints to fit together with the vac metal and took quite a bit of time to get it right. He also warned early on that flaking was going to possibly be an issue. That said, I have my chromed out Steelheart on my shelf in the pose I want her im and don’t plan on playing with her at all, so she looks great.
Same thing happened to my ultimate Dukes neck. Also had issues with storm shadow. Super 7 have great sculpts but their quality doesn’t justify the cost.
I recall Brian saying the abs parts that the joint swivels are made of can’t be chromed, but they couldn’t be excluded when chroming the rest of the parts so it will just flake off those parts when used, because they weren’t supposed to be chromed to begin with. So it actually should slide off of the inner joint discs.
The neck breaking isn’t just a problem with these vac metal figures. This also happened with aMondo Gecko Ultimates I got from them and also a Thundercats Rataro. I’m pretty sure a few others where I could see the neck starting to pull apart so I never changed the head.
The moment the neck joint snapped makes me wish there were multiple cameras filming you at that moment, because while I never want to see something that many people genuinely wanted and paid good money for being faulty, that may be one of my favorite "oh s^&t" moments in a product review ever.
You weren’t being negative, this was an honest review. Flynn knew how this would play out, and he did specify that tolerances in joints, plastic incompatibility issues with the vacmetal process, and overall fragility could be real possibilities. The neck peg coming out and the neck area separating is another level of wtf. I don’t envy being a toy creator these days between costs, varied fan expectations, feedback, and finding a final product and msrp that can cover expenses.
@@tyreewilson2140 My non-chrome cartoon version of Steelheart had the exact same issue with the neck seam coming apart and the peg popping out. So that particular issue is with the original design/mold, and not due to the vac-metal. I've even had that issue with figures from other lines as well.
@@Alatartheblue damn…I stand corrected. Must’ve not been widespread enough for this is my first time seeing or hearing this. I hope I didn’t come off disrespectful as it was not my intention 🙏
I wish they'd done a version of the wings on soft goods like the OG Quicksilver. That was my only real complaint. Monstar was definitely bigger than I expected.
@Charmander009 The novelty of vac is cool but lt literally chips of after taking it out the box of posing (wasting money). Vac could definitely work for a statue or maquette.
I feel that if they just used a very shinny paint as opposed to the vac metal, the fan base would have been satisfied for the most part. It was that the initial release had such a flat paint job that made the figures look dull.
Well, then fans will whine that it's not vac metal. I think fans of the cartoon will be happy that series 1 was close to the cartoon colours. However, the original plan was to use a nice metallic paint but that development didn't work out because of the pandemic.
Metallic paint doesn't give shiny mirror finishes like the people who complained wanted. Chrome paint has problems with rubbing and flaking on moving parts no matter how you apply it: see Molotov Liquid pens.
The open fingers on Buzzsaw are to "pull" his chest ripcords. That's how I have my yellow one displayed (the toy versions are still in my Pile of Loot).
I’m seeing video reviews of the vac metal flaking/breaking apart easily right out of the box and that the articulation isn’t on point. Yet, S7 had no problem charging 65 or more for these two figs. Cmon, we as collectors need to hold S7 accountable for thier bad QC if they’re gonna want that much money for these.
S7 has always had bad QC. I've never seen people not complain about S7 QC. S7's excuse is just going to be that the Vac Metal is just fragile and they stated that in interviews. It's not a valid excuse IMO. If they couldn't deliver it without the flaws then they shouldn't deliver it at all.
Mon-Star was the ultimate big bad in my toy universe growing up. Skeletor, Cobra Commander and Megatron reported to HIM. So I really would like one for my display, but with that limited articulation and price point I don't think he's going to bossing around anyone on my villains shelf.
If you keep your eyes peeled the Wave 1 version can be found at a much more reasonable price. I got mine for 45 from BBTS on a daily deal. Its a fantastic figure and at that size and price was cheaper than an oversized Marvel Legends; but that was luck and timing. That toy version will likely be in shorter supply, so I would not count on that specific version being discounted but who knows.
@@MrWolf12000 I was going to say the same thing, and I think I got the same deal as you. The new one might be shorter supplied, but I don't know, I don't think there is a lot of demand for Silverhawks, and Super7 may have actually killed collector's enthusiasm for the line by playing these games with saying they couldn't do vac metal, and now putting them out. I guess we'll see. Incidentally, I did get the toy version of Mon-Star. It is... okay. Limited articulation is still frustrating (hard to get him to sit in his throne) and his entire torso is completely unpainted, just colored plastic. Not only that, but I had the old figure, and I based on my memories and this video, he had a semi-gloss finish, but the new release is completely matte all over. I don't hate it, but it does feel lacking, especially for such a high price point.
I have the Quicksilver and it looks beautiful!!! The thing is I would not move the joints much if at all. These are mainly meant as display pieces and as such works just fine on a display.
Super7 makes some beautiful looking figures, but I have learned to keep whatever I buy from them in packaging (or buy 2 to have 1 loose). Their quality control issues are well documented at this point.
They warned people this would happen and people kept dogging them anyway so they finally did it like they wanted. And would you look at that? They were right all along.
It was nice to meet you at joefest! I didn’t know they made these, I think it’s a little pricey for me. Especially if they scratch up too easy. I’d be afraid to even touch them. I may get and maybe not.
The same thing happened to the neck joint on my SteelHeart, too. I wasn't able to pull the dumbbell out of the head, so I had to just put it back into the neck. Despite doing it as delicately as possible, the front and back halves of the neck/torso started to split when I did. Luckily it finally went back in, but I'm not touching that thing again! No mask for SteelHeart. 😅
I'm kind of sad those toy versions of Buzz-Saw and Mon*Star come with fewer accessories, but still cost the same as the initial releases. They've each got a new head sure, but it looks like they cut a lot of other stuff out just to put those in or to keep it more faithful to the vintage toys...but without adjusting the cost for getting less stuff over all
When I finally bought the four Silverhawks figures (Quicksilver, Steelheart, Steelwill, and Blue Grass) they surprised everyone by releasing the vac-metal figures. I was so disappointed because I couldn't afford both. However, seeing this, I'm now extremely happy that I got the original versions. They might not be as pretty, but they are a lot more sturdy and fun to play with.
I love the sculpts of their Silverhawks figures...but I had QC and engineering issues with 5 of the 6 figures I own. Loose as hell ankles on almost all of them, lack of ab crunch on many of them, self-destructing bicep on Steelwill...etc. They were a disappointment after collecting quite a few of their Thundercats figures which have been fantastic overall. I agree that the vac metal figures look amazing, but I couldn't imagine actually getting them after my lackluster experience with the regular figures. If I were a real Silverhawks nut, I could see myself getting these vac metal figures and keeping them sealed in their boxes. But, just being a casual, I just can't take that dive. Thanks for the great and honest review!
TBH I feel like this is one of those cases where you can't really be mad, because they did warn the fandom that this would happen. It also happens with my SOCs that have metallic paint like these so it isn't exclusive to Super 7.
Plenty of old toys had chrome and are still just fine today... and they weren't obscenely expensive. Just dont put chrome on articulating points. This entire line is a mess.
I cancelled my wave 1 figures that I had set aside when the vac metal was announced. I just saw my sister open her Steelheart and when I saw Rayzor was one color and toy accurate, I realized what's up and I want both. They are both gorgeous. Keep 'em coming!!
@@mr.rocket7550 I'm not sure he's joking. Sure, they are priced like premium collectibles, but the quality is generally just not there. They cost more than Mythic Legions, for example, but are definitely not as good.
@@yauyuso sorry, strong disagree. It's not just the style that makes something a premium collectible, although that does help. But the engineering, tolerances, amount of paint and precision of application, even quality of sculpting, all play into that. The S.H. Figuarts Dragon Ball characters (not Z, original DB) all have a cartoony appearance, but still strong sculpting and paint applications. Super7's products are mostly at the level of Hasbro and Mattel. Sometimes they release a banger, and they do tend to load out the accessories at least, but a lot of it is greatly underwhelming (their Power Rangers figures, for example, are not even as good as the remastered Lightning Collection, IMO. I also purchased their Cobra BAT, but honestly do not find it particularly superior to the Classified version).
As much as I love the look of the vacuplated figures, they would either remain in the box or, honestly, i like the gray first release and will probably stay with that. Thanks for this review!
My toon version Steelheart's torso comes apart if you apply too much pressure on the "super articulated" (ridiculously limited range) joint. (And my first TCats Mandora's torso joint snapped with even LESS pressure trying to move a barely movable joint.) It's NOT "just" the vacmetal.
Likely ABS. Does the shoulder joint “plug-in” to a vinyl bushing? Still looks great. It’s honestly going to get 1 or 2 poses and then live on a shelf for years.
Trying to give collectors what they asked for, Super 7 spent a lot of money to produce something they warned everybody in advance that it couldn't work. Now these things are out, more expensive than usual because Super 7 had to apply a process that's new to them, and since they're super fragile nobody will buy them. So in order to please a dumb request from collectors they wasted a lot of money that will never come back. They never should have: it was clear since the beginning that couldn't be done; joints are based on flexibility and friction, paint over chrome is weak, it always was and it always will be, they should have ignored the clueless request.
Great review. I thought that neck snapped at first and was like “oh no”. Then can already tell I’ll be afraid to handle these. I’m going to do my best to accept that there be flaking and scuffs.
Quality aside, yes they are shiny but Steelheart should be darker and Quicksilver should be lighter to match the Toy Versions. For all the fuss to bring these to life, you would think they would have gone the extra mile to actually get the colors right. Huge miss and a huge letdown. Buzzsaw is the only one I would consider from this wave. Great honest review. Thank you.
Well this is what Super 7 warned all those that begged and pleaded for the chromed out versions of these specific figures so can we really blame Super 7 or do we take the blame ourselves for being nit picky on something that we actually wanted ???????? Now as far as the price point it's fine in my opinion reason being we are not living back in the 80's , 90's, or early 2000's. Action figures in general are done way better as far as articulation and accurate sculpts and paint apps to the characters, let's be honest they've come a long way from what we had back then Super 7 has done a great job thus far it's just you can't please every consumer everyone can be a critic but if you actually don't create, sculpt, or design figs you actually don't realize what's the process behind what the consumers want so it's a double edged sword. Overall they're great figs and pricing doesn't bother me, if you want a marvel legends price point then your going to get less for your figures it's the nature of the beast. I mean we go out to toy shops and purchase vintage figures and pay upwards of $80, $100, to $200 for a VINTAGE FIGURE that only has 5 POA he-man, G.I. JOES, Dungeons and Dragons etc, etc and we'll justify that but then complain with figures that have better articulation, sculpts, paint apps and accuracy of asking price of the same value or more for me it's a make it make sense. I collect, hottoys, three zero, sideshow, Super 7, mattel , storm Collectibles, the list goes on and on and it is what it is on pricing some companies charge less some more all depends on what you want Raman toys made a silverhawks quicksilver and for me doesn't look like the character at all it's their take on the character which is fine but did not move me to own or purchase but hey I know some friends of my did and that's ok . Overall great video and good topic to bring up on your thoughts on it and giving us an opportunity to comment about our thoughts on the figs .
I understand that these figures specifically are special releases, but I see similar issues with most Super 7 figures. Frankly, I think they charge far too much for the subpar final products and seemingly lack of quality control. It takes a lot to justify me on anything Super7 Ultimates these days.
Been watching you for years and really love the same lines you do growing up in the 80s. Since you are close to guys from Super 7 , was wondering if you would ask them if they would make a My Pet Monster the same size plush from the 80s. Thanks
The VACs looks so good at a glance, but the moment you get to Steelheart they start falling apart. Do kinda want the green guy through as I never bought the original (got the other three originals).
It's semi-complicated because Brian DID warn everyone it wouldn't work out so great. So he was truthful and up front about that. They are pretty, no doubt, but at the cost and almost guaranteed risk of damage and scratches? It was a bad idea to make these. Shoulda stuck to their guns of "it doesn't work, trust us" and that been that. Cause now you're getting people that will be doubly unhappy.
This seems weird to me. The chrome should thicken the joints up, not make them lose. Unless they modified the joints to try and compensate for the chrome, and went a bit too far.
I dont think its the vacmetal that is making the joints loose. You showed that the joints on Monstarr and Buzzsaw were loose too and they aren't vacmetal. I think it's just par for the course on Super7 quality.
If I ever got these they would never come out of the box. I switch to being an in box collector awhile back. These are expensive figures and the quality issues that come up with many developers are insane, especially Mcfarlane.
How are you, Pixel Dan? I haven't Saw the SilverHawks in a very long time, since I was a Teenager. I didn't know they already Produced those Figures. Absolute Stunning Looking SilverHawks Figs! Very Informative and Entertaining! 🌟
@Pixel Dan, do not place Monstar in front of other toys because the ankle joints are loose, and it will fall forward knocking anything in front of him :( it stands for a day or two and they if falls.
@@Redeemer23collectibles I have that figure as well. I had to mess with it for a while before I had flaking of any kind. Also didn’t have to worry about limbs falling off or looseness in the joints.
I have several Soul of Chogokins that have flaking and scruffs on their chrome parts just from being stored so yes it very much is an issue and not just Super 7.
Not to dimiss S7 qc issues, but SHF are just as if not more expensive from a far more experienced toy company. Not excusing anything but we cant seriously compare the quality of S7U to SHF. Its Apples and Steak. OT I have long thought that Ultimates needed to be in line with NECA pricing
I'm not sure why the original cartoon version release didn't have cell shaded style 3 tone highlights painted on to give them a better faux metallic look that was still TV accurate
Seems like you should use white museum gloves or neoprene gloves to handle these things and that's just for the fingerprint issue, nothing is going to help with chipping and flaking short of never removing them from the box.
There's this Japanese toyline called Saint Seiya that does heavy vac metal all of the time, so it's a question of materials. Given how stingy super 7 is with their QC, they'd never be willing to do it right in the first place.
I like the phrasing "this Japanese toyline called Saint Seiya", like it's an obscure thing. In Europe (especially Italy) and of course Asia it's actually massive!
@@ryanbobadilla2527 I have two of them myself and to OP yes, they do scratch and the instructions flat out warn you to be SUPER careful with handling and attaching parts to minimize risk of damage to the paint.
As a kid I thought the shiny ones were awesome but now they just look cheap, the cartoon version is an upgrade we shouldn't go backwards...my cartoon version Steelheart had the same neck problem too.
Why didn’t they just use very metallic paint on the regular cartoon releases? It didn’t have to be vac metal. Finding a middle ground would have been fine.
That seems to be the eternal question. I mean, Silverhawks isn't MOTU or Transformers or something where it has a huge fanbase demanding slavish cartoon accuracy. I really doubt many people would have been disappointed with shiny metallic paint.
@@Freefall347 The music intro of the cartoon is a lot of fun, but the cartoon itself is pretty bad. The old toys are what always came first. The whole situation is a big misfire.
@@dannycruz5446 but that's not what people were bitching about. They wanted it like the toys. Super7 said ok and it's clearly dumb. I knew it would be unnecessary. I rather have cartoon accurate characters than vac Metal, which never last long.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 Then it would've look too cartoonish. Somehow it works with 1/6 scale X-Men but the original release are good, as they look like what I remember in the show. Vac is just a gimmick
Were they right about vac metal?
Uh oh! Sounds like they didn't do proper vac metal clear sealent coating on them. Even this early joint flaking wear is a extremely bad sign. Anyone remember the transformers beast wars transmetal rat trap? That thing started flaking as soon as you took it out of the package when it was released back in the day. That's what happens when you skip seal coating vac metal.And I hate to say it, but high articulation flaking wear excuse is total bull muffins. Look at the vintage figures arm sockets. every part of those arms are vac metal. Including the peg /male conector that the arm swings on. I beat the heck out of those figure, and swung the arms and legs religiously. And you know what? those socket joints were the most prestine part of the vac metal on all those figures to this very day. Those weren any less friction stressed than a ball joint or modern hinge.
Modern plastics not taking the vac metal process I could believe, but joint friction being the bigger issue? No.
The actual reason companies stopped doing the vac metal process is because it was litterally poisoning the factory workers. So in actuality for Super7 to do vac metalling again they either need to throw ethics and factory workers health to the wind. Or go back to reinvent the wheel on vac metalling to make it safer. Which one do you think would have them not admit those problems or changes in the process? The answer to that is probably worse than consumers would want to believe....
I think a very metallic paint (like Neca uses sometimes) would have been fine. Bizarre how they couldn’t find middle ground.
I guess the positive side is that this is good news for my wallet. I've been cutting back on collectibles in general, and I never did buy the previous versions from S7. I was kind of tempted by these.
I definitely prefer the look of Monstar and Buzz-Saw in their toy colors. As a kid, I had the main 5 Silverhawks, Commander, Stargazer, Flashback... and on the villains side I only had Monstar and Buzz-Saw, so those two villain figures in those colors are very nostalgic for me.
The vac metal S7 figures look cool, but I've been worried what that would mean from a QC perspective, and based on this video, it is not good. Also I had noticed in pic that Quicksilver seemed a little too dark in color, and this video confirms that.
While I am otherwise nostalgic for the vac metal look, and while it is annoying that these came out after Brian said they couldn't be done.... what REALLY bothers me is that we never got the versions that were promised early on. In some interview with Brian (it may have been that same one you had with him when he said vac metal couldn't be done), he had said that they were going to try to get find paint that would be as shiny in color as possible, but without doing a vac metal/chromed look. I was interested in seeing how that would turn out, at it seemed like a reasonable compromise.
But instead, they released them in these dull, not at all shiny, supposedly "cartoon accurate" colors, which didn't do much for me, so with that coinciding with when I was starting to cut back on collectibles anyway, I opted to not bother with them. Then they announced these toy variants with the Vac Metal. I was potentially interested, but annoyed on behalf of those who already bought the previous versions (and REALLY glad that I hadn't bought them), but also concerned based on what Brian said when you interviewed him when they were first shown. He made it sound like there would be plenty of replacements available, etc., basically anticipating there being a lot of problems with these. That didn't give me much hope. And it was still contrary to what fans had been told, even if somehow they would have come out without any major issues.
But as seen in your video here, there ARE some glaring issues. And given all that is now known, I would still prefer those theoretical versions with really shiny paint and no vac metal, but we will likely never get those. Heck, even if they were to try to release those, how many people would actually buy them? Anyone who bought the first versions thinking they'd be the only options, and then bought these only to have some major QC issues are NOT likely to give S7 their money again on more versions of these absurdly overpriced figures.
On some level Monstar and Buzz-Saw are tempting to me, but if I'm not getting the main heroes, I don't have much interest in collecting just the villains. This whole thing is a mess.
@@ZedMazaus480 As someone with several Soul of Chogokin figures it isn't "bull muffins" as you put it, Chrome on modern toys scruffs and flakes super easy.
@@ZedMazaus480 No, it has nothing to do with sealant coating. It's not worth it. This is a case of people just saying that they want a thing without knowing how it's actually done.
I feel like they did this just to say "I told you so."
That first version of silver hawk should have been painted silver instead of that gray. If he was painted with a metallic silver I don’t think fans would have cried out for vac metal as much. I’m not a Silverhawks collector just an observer.
Silver is just metallic gray. Just like gold is just metallic yellow.
Nah, fans wanted the vac metal; just like the original figures.
I could be misremembering but didn't Brian say at one point that they made some adjustments to the sculpt so that there was more clearance around the joints to help minimize rubbing? If so, that would explain the shoulder joints. Doesn't mean anyone has to like it, of course.
I also recall Brian said that the production process meant that the arm and joints (for example) are made and then the vacmetal is applied to the entire arm+joint but the vacmetal can't really adhere to the joint plastic very well so chipping of the joints was basically guaranteed from the start
(I realize you probably know all of this, just commenting on this for the community who might see my comment.)
If Brian Flynn said it, it’s a lie, even if it comes true he lied and it was an accident
brian is very good on lying!!! his excuses makes me laugh hard!!!
THat's correct. because vac metal basically is dipping the entire piece to the paint so it adds thickness. So to counter it you will have to sand off the part to make it fit easier.
I don't have a set of these vac metal silverhawks but I suspect in person, the parts will will less elastic that what you normally would get.
@@ConstantineCydonea Chrome paint rubs and flakes on moving parts it isn't a lie.
@@ConstantineCydoneaI don’t think that’s fair. Brian said they couldn’t do it at the time. They had to redesign the joints to fit together with the vac metal and took quite a bit of time to get it right. He also warned early on that flaking was going to possibly be an issue.
That said, I have my chromed out Steelheart on my shelf in the pose I want her im and don’t plan on playing with her at all, so she looks great.
When the neck joint came out… oh man it’s too early for a scare like that.
Same thing happened to my ultimate Dukes neck. Also had issues with storm shadow. Super 7 have great sculpts but their quality doesn’t justify the cost.
My regular non-chrome Steelheart had the same neck seam/peg issue.
I recall Brian saying the abs parts that the joint swivels are made of can’t be chromed, but they couldn’t be excluded when chroming the rest of the parts so it will just flake off those parts when used, because they weren’t supposed to be chromed to begin with. So it actually should slide off of the inner joint discs.
Appreciate the honesty. I’ll
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These in box.
Oh man I screamed at the head peg breaking! No one said this would be a horror film!!
$85 for Mon-star? Absolutely not.
The neck breaking isn’t just a problem with these vac metal figures. This also happened with aMondo Gecko Ultimates I got from them and also a Thundercats Rataro. I’m pretty sure a few others where I could see the neck starting to pull apart so I never changed the head.
The moment the neck joint snapped makes me wish there were multiple cameras filming you at that moment, because while I never want to see something that many people genuinely wanted and paid good money for being faulty, that may be one of my favorite "oh s^&t" moments in a product review ever.
You weren’t being negative, this was an honest review. Flynn knew how this would play out, and he did specify that tolerances in joints, plastic incompatibility issues with the vacmetal process, and overall fragility could be real possibilities. The neck peg coming out and the neck area separating is another level of wtf.
I don’t envy being a toy creator these days between costs, varied fan expectations, feedback, and finding a final product and msrp that can cover expenses.
Yeah, people don't realize it's not the 80s anymore and what was possible then isn't now.
See also playsets.
The cartoon steelheart didn't do that. The alterations for the vac metal is the issue. Flynn said these things prior but they still wanted it.
@@tyreewilson2140 My non-chrome cartoon version of Steelheart had the exact same issue with the neck seam coming apart and the peg popping out. So that particular issue is with the original design/mold, and not due to the vac-metal. I've even had that issue with figures from other lines as well.
@@Alatartheblue damn…I stand corrected. Must’ve not been widespread enough for this is my first time seeing or hearing this. I hope I didn’t come off disrespectful as it was not my intention 🙏
I wish they'd done a version of the wings on soft goods like the OG Quicksilver. That was my only real complaint. Monstar was definitely bigger than I expected.
This happened to the vintage silver hawks same issue!
I think we would've been happy with just standard metallic plastic... like on a marvel legends iron man or colossus.
U would have been happy . Not me , I want vac or nothing
@Charmander009 The novelty of vac is cool but lt literally chips of after taking it out the box of posing (wasting money). Vac could definitely work for a statue or maquette.
That's it. Never opening mine. I'll keep the originals displayed.
I feel that if they just used a very shinny paint as opposed to the vac metal, the fan base would have been satisfied for the most part. It was that the initial release had such a flat paint job that made the figures look dull.
EXACTLY
Yep. If they made the paint shiny like they did for Destro and Czarface there'd be no issue in the first place.
Half the people that complained would've whined just the same.
Well, then fans will whine that it's not vac metal. I think fans of the cartoon will be happy that series 1 was close to the cartoon colours.
However, the original plan was to use a nice metallic paint but that development didn't work out because of the pandemic.
Metallic paint doesn't give shiny mirror finishes like the people who complained wanted.
Chrome paint has problems with rubbing and flaking on moving parts no matter how you apply it: see Molotov Liquid pens.
The open fingers on Buzzsaw are to "pull" his chest ripcords. That's how I have my yellow one displayed (the toy versions are still in my Pile of Loot).
A great honest review Dan! Thanks!
I’m seeing video reviews of the vac metal flaking/breaking apart easily right out of the box and that the articulation isn’t on point. Yet, S7 had no problem charging 65 or more for these two figs. Cmon, we as collectors need to hold S7 accountable for thier bad QC if they’re gonna want that much money for these.
S7 has always had bad QC. I've never seen people not complain about S7 QC.
S7's excuse is just going to be that the Vac Metal is just fragile and they stated that in interviews. It's not a valid excuse IMO. If they couldn't deliver it without the flaws then they shouldn't deliver it at all.
Mon-Star was the ultimate big bad in my toy universe growing up. Skeletor, Cobra Commander and Megatron reported to HIM. So I really would like one for my display, but with that limited articulation and price point I don't think he's going to bossing around anyone on my villains shelf.
If you keep your eyes peeled the Wave 1 version can be found at a much more reasonable price. I got mine for 45 from BBTS on a daily deal. Its a fantastic figure and at that size and price was cheaper than an oversized Marvel Legends; but that was luck and timing.
That toy version will likely be in shorter supply, so I would not count on that specific version being discounted but who knows.
@@MrWolf12000 I was going to say the same thing, and I think I got the same deal as you. The new one might be shorter supplied, but I don't know, I don't think there is a lot of demand for Silverhawks, and Super7 may have actually killed collector's enthusiasm for the line by playing these games with saying they couldn't do vac metal, and now putting them out. I guess we'll see.
Incidentally, I did get the toy version of Mon-Star. It is... okay. Limited articulation is still frustrating (hard to get him to sit in his throne) and his entire torso is completely unpainted, just colored plastic. Not only that, but I had the old figure, and I based on my memories and this video, he had a semi-gloss finish, but the new release is completely matte all over. I don't hate it, but it does feel lacking, especially for such a high price point.
I have the Quicksilver and it looks beautiful!!! The thing is I would not move the joints much if at all. These are mainly meant as display pieces and as such works just fine on a display.
Super7 makes some beautiful looking figures, but I have learned to keep whatever I buy from them in packaging (or buy 2 to have 1 loose). Their quality control issues are well documented at this point.
19:45 wasn’t the vac metal process. The originals have sloppy loose joints too.
We can't even be mad because they warned us but we just couldn't stop asking for them
Not worth the price they asking. Joints falling off paint flaking from a brand new figure. Not for the money they want.
They warned people this would happen and people kept dogging them anyway so they finally did it like they wanted.
And would you look at that? They were right all along.
Neca does the same thing. But the guys wanted it so bad then let them foot the vac metal bill 😅😅
It was nice to meet you at joefest! I didn’t know they made these, I think it’s a little pricey for me. Especially if they scratch up too easy. I’d be afraid to even touch them. I may get and maybe not.
The same thing happened to the neck joint on my SteelHeart, too. I wasn't able to pull the dumbbell out of the head, so I had to just put it back into the neck. Despite doing it as delicately as possible, the front and back halves of the neck/torso started to split when I did. Luckily it finally went back in, but I'm not touching that thing again! No mask for SteelHeart. 😅
Something I unfortunately wouldn’t open, and I love to open my stuff.
I'm kind of sad those toy versions of Buzz-Saw and Mon*Star come with fewer accessories, but still cost the same as the initial releases. They've each got a new head sure, but it looks like they cut a lot of other stuff out just to put those in or to keep it more faithful to the vintage toys...but without adjusting the cost for getting less stuff over all
Buzzsaw is actually $10 more than the original release 😮
You probably need gloves when handling the sliverhawks
I was thinking that the whole time they were onscreen. Insane as it may sound thats what I do with my OG Hawks and Transmetals.
When I finally bought the four Silverhawks figures (Quicksilver, Steelheart, Steelwill, and Blue Grass) they surprised everyone by releasing the vac-metal figures. I was so disappointed because I couldn't afford both. However, seeing this, I'm now extremely happy that I got the original versions. They might not be as pretty, but they are a lot more sturdy and fun to play with.
Hmm...the vac metal is gorgeous, but the trade-off in overall quality is a bummer.
They all look good, but the problem with super 7 is the lack of engineering. Buzzsaw should have had a head that was engineered to raise and lower.
I'd maybe say that Quicksilver is a gunmetal color.
Silver paint could’ve fixed all of this.
Not what the collectors asked for
@@tyreewilson2140yes it was. They just listened to the wrong collectors.
Dang. Quicksilver has got a massive noggin
Espectacular estos Silver Hawks S7 🇦🇷
I love the sculpts of their Silverhawks figures...but I had QC and engineering issues with 5 of the 6 figures I own. Loose as hell ankles on almost all of them, lack of ab crunch on many of them, self-destructing bicep on Steelwill...etc. They were a disappointment after collecting quite a few of their Thundercats figures which have been fantastic overall. I agree that the vac metal figures look amazing, but I couldn't imagine actually getting them after my lackluster experience with the regular figures. If I were a real Silverhawks nut, I could see myself getting these vac metal figures and keeping them sealed in their boxes. But, just being a casual, I just can't take that dive. Thanks for the great and honest review!
TBH I feel like this is one of those cases where you can't really be mad, because they did warn the fandom that this would happen.
It also happens with my SOCs that have metallic paint like these so it isn't exclusive to Super 7.
Plenty of old toys had chrome and are still just fine today... and they weren't obscenely expensive. Just dont put chrome on articulating points. This entire line is a mess.
That Steelheart figure is stunningly beautiful. 😍
I cancelled my wave 1 figures that I had set aside when the vac metal was announced. I just saw my sister open her Steelheart and when I saw Rayzor was one color and toy accurate, I realized what's up and I want both. They are both gorgeous. Keep 'em coming!!
Maybe Super 7 ultimately made these versions for inbox collectors.
Thanks for doing this review.
Dan thanks for keeping it real and admitting you were annoyed etc
Looks like something that u should never take out the box
With Super7 you are paying extra for a nice box, they are not premium collectibles.
Nice joke dude! The fact that you worded it so seriously makes it even funnier 😂
@@mr.rocket7550 I'm not sure he's joking. Sure, they are priced like premium collectibles, but the quality is generally just not there. They cost more than Mythic Legions, for example, but are definitely not as good.
@@mr.rocket7550oh he's not joking. He actually has a good point. They are priced way too high for what they are. They are $35 figures at best.
They are premium collectibles. But often they do cartoon characters that doesn't have a dazzle or eye catching details more high end companies do.
@@yauyuso sorry, strong disagree. It's not just the style that makes something a premium collectible, although that does help. But the engineering, tolerances, amount of paint and precision of application, even quality of sculpting, all play into that. The S.H. Figuarts Dragon Ball characters (not Z, original DB) all have a cartoony appearance, but still strong sculpting and paint applications. Super7's products are mostly at the level of Hasbro and Mattel. Sometimes they release a banger, and they do tend to load out the accessories at least, but a lot of it is greatly underwhelming (their Power Rangers figures, for example, are not even as good as the remastered Lightning Collection, IMO. I also purchased their Cobra BAT, but honestly do not find it particularly superior to the Classified version).
The matte versions are looking better n better...lol
Sometimes I miss those head flipping features, but swapping the head makes the chests look better every time.
I’m waiting for the TigerSharks
Same here.
Great review man so honest as always, you’re Pixel Dan for a reason! Keep it up!
As much as I love the look of the vacuplated figures, they would either remain in the box or, honestly, i like the gray first release and will probably stay with that.
Thanks for this review!
Brian warned us, but we just drove off the vac-metal cliff anyway...
They still can't look up, can they?
My toon version Steelheart's torso comes apart if you apply too much pressure on the "super articulated" (ridiculously limited range) joint. (And my first TCats Mandora's torso joint snapped with even LESS pressure trying to move a barely movable joint.)
It's NOT "just" the vacmetal.
Likely ABS. Does the shoulder joint “plug-in” to a vinyl bushing?
Still looks great.
It’s honestly going to get 1 or 2 poses and then live on a shelf for years.
The answer is made the inner articulation from a silver non chromed plastic, like bandai did on Metal Cooler SH Figuarts.
Trying to give collectors what they asked for, Super 7 spent a lot of money to produce something they warned everybody in advance that it couldn't work.
Now these things are out, more expensive than usual because Super 7 had to apply a process that's new to them, and since they're super fragile nobody will buy them. So in order to please a dumb request from collectors they wasted a lot of money that will never come back.
They never should have: it was clear since the beginning that couldn't be done; joints are based on flexibility and friction, paint over chrome is weak, it always was and it always will be, they should have ignored the clueless request.
Find a pose and stick with it, I guess.
Can you talk to Brian at Super 7 and see if we can get Venture Brothers Reaction figures.
Great review, I kind of wish they did the vintage wings as well for the toy versions but the vac metal looks cool
Great review. I thought that neck snapped at first and was like “oh no”. Then can already tell I’ll be afraid to handle these. I’m going to do my best to accept that there be flaking and scuffs.
That good old super 7 quality can’t wait for the 2003 turtles lol
None of those figures have vac metal so it's not comparable in the slightest.
This is what you guys wanted.
"No, we would have accepted a more silver paint than the vac metal!"
Quality aside, yes they are shiny but Steelheart should be darker and Quicksilver should be lighter to match the Toy Versions. For all the fuss to bring these to life, you would think they would have gone the extra mile to actually get the colors right. Huge miss and a huge letdown. Buzzsaw is the only one I would consider from this wave. Great honest review. Thank you.
Well this is what Super 7 warned all those that begged and pleaded for the chromed out versions of these specific figures so can we really blame Super 7 or do we take the blame ourselves for being nit picky on something that we actually wanted ???????? Now as far as the price point it's fine in my opinion reason being we are not living back in the 80's , 90's, or early 2000's. Action figures in general are done way better as far as articulation and accurate sculpts and paint apps to the characters, let's be honest they've come a long way from what we had back then Super 7 has done a great job thus far it's just you can't please every consumer everyone can be a critic but if you actually don't create, sculpt, or design figs you actually don't realize what's the process behind what the consumers want so it's a double edged sword. Overall they're great figs and pricing doesn't bother me, if you want a marvel legends price point then your going to get less for your figures it's the nature of the beast. I mean we go out to toy shops and purchase vintage figures and pay upwards of $80, $100, to $200 for a VINTAGE FIGURE that only has 5 POA he-man, G.I. JOES, Dungeons and Dragons etc, etc and we'll justify that but then complain with figures that have better articulation, sculpts, paint apps and accuracy of asking price of the same value or more for me it's a make it make sense. I collect, hottoys, three zero, sideshow, Super 7, mattel , storm Collectibles, the list goes on and on and it is what it is on pricing some companies charge less some more all depends on what you want Raman toys made a silverhawks quicksilver and for me doesn't look like the character at all it's their take on the character which is fine but did not move me to own or purchase but hey I know some friends of my did and that's ok . Overall great video and good topic to bring up on your thoughts on it and giving us an opportunity to comment about our thoughts on the figs .
Bless your heart Dan but calling Super 7 figures "super articulated" feels like a GIANT stretch.
I understand that these figures specifically are special releases, but I see similar issues with most Super 7 figures. Frankly, I think they charge far too much for the subpar final products and seemingly lack of quality control. It takes a lot to justify me on anything Super7 Ultimates these days.
Hahaha Super 7 drops the ball again... No surprises there
Awesome silverhawks action figure collection❤❤❤❤❤😊
They should use a better paint method rather than vac metal. Or use a separate plastic on the joints for a seamless transition
Been watching you for years and really love the same lines you do growing up in the 80s. Since you are close to guys from Super 7 , was wondering if you would ask them if they would make a My Pet Monster the same size plush from the 80s. Thanks
Lol that’s so selfish. “HEY take advantage of your relationship to ask them to make something I want!” 🤣
The VACs looks so good at a glance, but the moment you get to Steelheart they start falling apart. Do kinda want the green guy through as I never bought the original (got the other three originals).
It's semi-complicated because Brian DID warn everyone it wouldn't work out so great. So he was truthful and up front about that. They are pretty, no doubt, but at the cost and almost guaranteed risk of damage and scratches? It was a bad idea to make these. Shoulda stuck to their guns of "it doesn't work, trust us" and that been that. Cause now you're getting people that will be doubly unhappy.
You should get the Ramen toy versions of Silver Hawks and see how those are !
This seems weird to me. The chrome should thicken the joints up, not make them lose. Unless they modified the joints to try and compensate for the chrome, and went a bit too far.
I dont think its the vacmetal that is making the joints loose. You showed that the joints on Monstarr and Buzzsaw were loose too and they aren't vacmetal. I think it's just par for the course on Super7 quality.
If I ever got these they would never come out of the box. I switch to being an in box collector awhile back. These are expensive figures and the quality issues that come up with many developers are insane, especially Mcfarlane.
How are you, Pixel Dan? I haven't Saw the SilverHawks in a very long time, since I was a Teenager. I didn't know they already Produced those Figures. Absolute Stunning Looking SilverHawks Figs! Very Informative and Entertaining! 🌟
@Pixel Dan, do not place Monstar in front of other toys because the ankle joints are loose, and it will fall forward knocking anything in front of him :( it stands for a day or two and they if falls.
It can be done, but yeah “they” can’t do it.
No, it can't.
Tamashii Nations was able to do it just fine for their Dragon Ball line Metal Cooler. Super 7 just continues to fumble.
@mannaandmonsters I have that cooler fig but it does have some flaking so not true as far as chromed out figs not one company is perfect.
@@Redeemer23collectibles I have that figure as well. I had to mess with it for a while before I had flaking of any kind. Also didn’t have to worry about limbs falling off or looseness in the joints.
I have several Soul of Chogokins that have flaking and scruffs on their chrome parts just from being stored so yes it very much is an issue and not just Super 7.
Actually no Metal cooler only has vac metal on armor pieces all the base body and joints are all painted silver
Not to dimiss S7 qc issues, but SHF are just as if not more expensive from a far more experienced toy company.
Not excusing anything but we cant seriously compare the quality of S7U to SHF. Its Apples and Steak.
OT I have long thought that Ultimates needed to be in line with NECA pricing
I'm not sure why the original cartoon version release didn't have cell shaded style 3 tone highlights painted on to give them a better faux metallic look that was still TV accurate
Seems like you should use white museum gloves or neoprene gloves to handle these things and that's just for the fingerprint issue, nothing is going to help with chipping and flaking short of never removing them from the box.
These look amazing love the shiny design awesome figures great review dan 👍
I use a small piece of aluminum foil in the joints to create pressure plus its shiny too 🤩
I wonder if the Vac Metal would take a finishing clear coat or maybe that's just not possible?
It would cause it to frost/fog.
I forgot Buzzsaw was yellow in the show. All I remember is the green badassness
There's this Japanese toyline called Saint Seiya that does heavy vac metal all of the time, so it's a question of materials. Given how stingy super 7 is with their QC, they'd never be willing to do it right in the first place.
I like the phrasing "this Japanese toyline called Saint Seiya", like it's an obscure thing. In Europe (especially Italy) and of course Asia it's actually massive!
@@gianluca.pastorelli in latin america too
They don't use vac metal anymore it's all diecast and metallic paint, I have a few and there isn't any vac metal on any Saint Seiya figures.
@@ryanbobadilla2527 I have two of them myself and to OP yes, they do scratch and the instructions flat out warn you to be SUPER careful with handling and attaching parts to minimize risk of damage to the paint.
No the vac metal on Saint seya is only on armor parts that attach to the base body
As a kid I thought the shiny ones were awesome but now they just look cheap, the cartoon version is an upgrade we shouldn't go backwards...my cartoon version Steelheart had the same neck problem too.
Like all of these “Ultimates”, they seem to be overpriced by at least 30%.
Buzzsaw looks really cool
lol as they always say ... be careful for what you wish for 😛😄
They should have made the face a separate molded piece pvc or nylon part and the joints should’ve been pvc
I think it's all pvc, that's why the vac metal layer doesn't stick
Why didn’t they just use very metallic paint on the regular cartoon releases? It didn’t have to be vac metal. Finding a middle ground would have been fine.
That seems to be the eternal question. I mean, Silverhawks isn't MOTU or Transformers or something where it has a huge fanbase demanding slavish cartoon accuracy. I really doubt many people would have been disappointed with shiny metallic paint.
@@Freefall347 The music intro of the cartoon is a lot of fun, but the cartoon itself is pretty bad. The old toys are what always came first. The whole situation is a big misfire.
@@mksolid82 that cartoon was not bad
Quicksilver's face on the back of the box looks creepy! 😮😅😂
I'm still hoping they release the rest of the team in Vac Metal.
You all wanted Vac Metal.... you got Vac Metal. I'm happy with the cartoon accurate figures. I knew this was inevitable.
People wanted shiny silverhawks not necessarily vac metal. A shiny metal paint app would've sufficed.
@@dannycruz5446 but that's not what people were bitching about. They wanted it like the toys. Super7 said ok and it's clearly dumb. I knew it would be unnecessary. I rather have cartoon accurate characters than vac Metal, which never last long.
@@dannycruz5446 No, they clearly begged for vac metal.
@@JulioGomezNYC Honestly, I get what they mean. They could have at least celshaded them, instead we got flat and boring ones.
@@kaylemathewcomendador6964 Then it would've look too cartoonish. Somehow it works with 1/6 scale X-Men but the original release are good, as they look like what I remember in the show. Vac is just a gimmick
What about vac-metal for the Re-Action version? Less moving parts....