What is the difference between Cuban and Colombian Salsa Dance?
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2018
- Divina explains the main difference between these Salsa styles.
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In Cali, subgenres of salsa have been formed, such as Salsa Choke, which is the modern salsa or of the Millennium generations. thanks to Cali Colombia for keeping salsa alive throughout the world
I have to say that old school Cali dancers are very knowledgeable and understand the flavor compare to competition styles.
Very good explanation! The simplest way to say it is, Cuban style has way less restriction than the others.
All styles have certain parameters in my opinion so l don't see them as restrictions, just different way or 'rules' on doing things. Everyone prefers one style over the other but still, having a style or picking up a style you are still constrained by it. For instance a Cuban dancer would not be able to dance (theoretically speaking) with a new york style dancer. Same with any other style. There are similar styles like LA style and NY style that are similar because they are linear and could dance together. A colombian girl could only make certain moves with a cuban male dancer but in praxis, everyone will prefer to dance with someone who does their same salsa style.
@@elacomedido Not entirely true. You see, NY and LA style are based on traditional Cuban style. A timba dancer can easily blend and work within the rhythmic limits of Salsa music as played in P.R. and Colombia because the basic system of the dance is the same. Q Cuban dancer can basically keep up with any of them. Cali style is different because it emphasizes heavy footwork and less on turning patterns. However, I have also seen Cuban dancers with footwork on par with it that never once learned any Colombian style dancing. However, this is not true the other way. What makes Cuban style dancing so free and unrestricted is that Cuban dancers incorporate alot more folkloric forms that you can really only learn thru them. So a dancer from Colombia or Puerto Rico or New York may do okay with the basics in Timba, but once Cuban dancers start invoking different styles of dancing from other parts of the island, they will immediately lose their partner because their partner probably won't have any clue what they're doing or how they are able to blend it into the current rhythm. That's the true difference. Cubans will throw in Makuta, ChaChaCha, Orisha, Pilon and all kinds of stuff because they're taught to feel it out and know what matches. Other dancers are mainly and sometimes only taught the basic counts. Don't get me wrong, I aint saying dancers from any other country can't learn how to do what Cubans do. But from the viewpoint of how people are trained or how they grow up dancing, most can't keep up with Cubans on the floor without having at least learned a slew of other styles first. But trust me, I aint never seen q Cuban dancer not keep up with other folks. If anything, dancing NY salsa is more like a short break for them in comparison.
@@PDro11 l don't disagree with you. But what you have written just further proves my point. Nor l am bashing Cuban Salsa Style, it's indeed a beautiful style and can't wait to learn it from someone who is a Cuban himself. The music evokes happiness from what l have sensed. I have not been exposed entirely to Cuban music nor salsa only to south american cumbia style (not cali style that's a joke to me) and boricua on1 and ny on 2.
The reason why you just proved my point is that, althought it's possible for a cuban to dance NY on 2 or LA on 1 style (probably prefers this one) eventually a Cuban would prefer to dance Cuban style salsa and dance with someone of the same style. It's just a fact. The Eddie Torres on 2 method is really an on 1 dance (small step on 1, break backward on 2, step on 3 pause on 4, break on 5, pause on 6, small step on 7). This is the reason you never see Magna Gopal for instance dancing with cuban guys. At least from the videos l have seen. Not saying she would never. I don't dance cuban but l don't think a cuban would want to keep on with the Eddie Torres method of dancing because he would prefer their ancestral rhythms and ways and not something that relatively new (fania 70s, 80s) do cubans prefer to listen/dance to Fania and puerto rican / nyorican artists? In the general sense l haven't seen it.
I keep my argument, each salsa dancer will stick to their prefer style / music.
Does that ellaborate more on it?
@@PDro11 Also NY on 2 was initially based on Cuban dance, (see palladium era) but it has evolved over the years because Eddie Torres created aspects that developed some uniqueness. If you watch his 1st video released in 1980, you see how he breaks on the conga and clave. Even Ny dancers nowadays dance differently from what Eddie Torres thought (see Juan Matos, Vittico, Shaka Brown).
LA on 1 was developed by the Vasquez brothers. This is a 90s style of salsa (newer) and l don't really know what it's based upon but l only see the CBL being the same as in thr cuban style and few turns. It looks more like swing dance with their acrobatics, don't you think?
Cali Style: don't get me started, lol. If that's called a style then to each their own. I like the colombia cumbia style of the 80s and their cumbia dance but hate cali style.
@@elacomedido 😁 i like when discussions can be simple and civil. And yes, I get your point. I actually fully agree with you that each person of a respective style will always prefer their own. My response was geared more toward whether each one can easily keep up with the other. Nothing I have seen from say, ballroom style salsa dancers, suggest they even know the first thing about Cuban style dancing. Mainly because its very rigid and emphasizes keeping count vs. Feeling music. P.R. dancing even has more feeling in it when they do it because they are dancing for pure enjoyment. The islands in general are like that with dancing. However, I maintain that if someone dances with a Cuban and that Cuban starts breaking out Rumba movements from Guaguanco, most people, even experienced salsa dancers, won't know how to interact with their partner. The same can easily be said if a Puerto Rican incorporated Bomba movements in a salsa dance (rhythmically I'd find this very challenging to do given they're very different in structure). A Cuban aint keeping up with that because they don't know Bomba dancing intimately, so they'd be lost as well.
But yes. Each person would want to stay within their respective style. Its their comfort zone. It's what they know best and feel the most with. I know if I am used to dancing doing a whole bunch of different things and someone can't follow I would not be inclined to keep dancing to that style of music.
All great points.
Excellent commentary and right to the point. I’m guessing she liked Cuban salsa more.
You should have done a demo of both different types of salsa.
Oh wow you splained that really right!
Not sure how much Colombian Sala(Salsa Caleña) she was exposed to.
Maybe she was referring to competition Salsa Calena, but in the clubs and the streets it uses all parts of the body well. We dont use as many turns, but it incoporates elements of swing, rumba, etc. I'm not the best person to explain things, but watch a couple of videos of club dancers and you'll see for yourself that Salsa Caleña has as much sabor as Cuban Salsa.
I am not sure how much cuban salsa you've been exposed to but what she is saying is pretty accurate.
"Colombian salsa has a strong emphasis on footwork but also incorporates elements of other styles....."
Watch her explanation again...
You do understand that most salsa schools don't teach Rumba, right? How would you see this in Colombian salsa? Please post a video of cali street dancing vs. Competition dancing. Everything i have seen of Colombian salsa dancing, formal or otherwise, suggests exactly what this lady is saying in this video. If i go dance with a Colombian and break into steps from a spiritual system in Cuba, you telling me a Colombian dancer will keep up with that? I seriously doubt that...
Hi Rodney,
I was refferring to the Colombian Salsa danced by Colombians in London night clubs.
I've never seen any of them moving their torso (men) or their hips (women) or play with their arms.
And another thing that I've noticed in Colombians and other Colimbian dancers in London, they rarely smile while their are dancing 😱
On the other hand on the Cuban Salsa scene you can tangibly feel the joy coming out of the dancers...
The energy in Cuban Salsa clubs is much higher than in any other Salsa style...
These are my observations in the various London night clubs.
Certainly any style has its own flavour😌
Colombian Salsa used to be my favourite. But after my vey first trip to Santiago de Cuba, followed by 5 more, I've become totally hooked by it.
For me rhere is some magic in Cuban music and dances that I don't perceive in other Salsa music and dance style.
I could on and on talking about this but 'll stop hear.
Maybe one day I'll go to Colombia and discover more about the Colombian Salsa style.
But for now Cuban Salsa has stolen my heart ❤
Love and peace✌
And stay safe at home to stop COVID19
I dance at home💓💓💓
@@salsadivinauk2893 Well, missing a lot of African root tour in Latin America. Need to go to Cali, and then compare with, otherwise you saw semi-students trying to move fast without flow. That's not Cali, until you visit the place, your comment doesn't have the foundation to compare it with your visit. You can love Cuban style after, no worries, just go to Cali and check it out.
It's interesting to hear this as I've only just started learning Salsa and definitely feel that certain moves and styles go with certain types of music. Certain tracks I'm thinking "this is definitely Cuban" and others I'm thinking cross body, spins, arm patterns etc.
Super cool video.
Yes, she is really talking about Cali salsa with the footwork. In other places in Colombia dancing is often more Latin style with simple turns, etc. If you check my videos I have two up with Cali teachers demonstrating some basic steps.
Gracias a Las orquestas y artistas de salsa Colombiana han mantenido la salsa vigente con sus acordes rítmicos notas musicales melodiosas , nuevas fusiones como la salsa shock,Grupo Niche, Guayacan, Sonora Carruseles, cómo lo hicieron Joe Arroyo, Fruco y sus tesos con más de 50 años de trayectoria en la salsa internacional me perdonan Los artista y orquestas Colombianas que no mencionó ahora pero son muchos y a la cantidad de escuelas de salsa en Cali, Medellín y Bogotá y los incontables premios ganados a nivel mundial de salsa,Gracias Cali Colombia por tener la salsa viva en el mundo ❤🎼.
Great explanation. Gracias!
Great job with explaining the similarities and differences between these styles of salsa. Muchas gracias! ❤️
Wow it's my first time watching this so thank you. I can tell you like / prefer the Cuban style of salsa off of your video. Have you tried NY on 2? I have been dancing NY on 2 for a while and it's a fun style with the salsa music from NY of the 70s: ismael miranda, ny swing sextet, etc. Eddie Torres is the founder of it and some good dancers to watch are shaka brown, magna gopal, athoy, Frankie Martinez. I think this could be your third love if you get on it. I have a question, l would like to learn Cuban salsa. Is it on1 type of dance? What songs / tutorials would you recommend?
The origen of salsa is from cuban the best salsa is from cuban
In your Dreams my friend
Colombian here. Colombians who dance "Colombian Salsa" don't do any kind of cross body, New York or Puerto Rican formation. The only ones who do that are professional Colombian Salsa dancers during Cabaret dancing (the style used for competitions). Typical Colombian Salsa (specifically, the one danced in Cali) is danced in a Circular Pattern.
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Hizo falta una demostración de los dos bailes
Hi Carlo,
I will demonstrate the 2 different styles as soon as I find a guy available to dance Salsa Calena with me in front of a camera.
The guy in the video with me only dances Cuban style.
I have just came back from Cuba, visited la vieja Havana and went to different salsa locations, went to “La casa de la musica” and it was ok and I enjoyed it, however, I can tell you by first hand experience, there are 100 hundred or more .. “casa de la musica” in Cali.
I love both but the Colombian music is my favourite. More passion.
El primer amor nunca se olvida jajaja.
Hay mucha gente que confunde la salsa con la música cubana, cosa que no es así, una cosa es la música cubana(guaracha, son cubano, chachachá, etc.) y otra cosa es la salsa(fusión de ritmos americanos, afroantillanos y latinoamericanos, incluso ritmos españoles), la cual nació en New York, teniendo como gestores mayoritariamente a los puertorriqueños. Luego la salsa se dispersó y hoy en día se produce en diferentes paises. En cuanto a la forma de bailarla no existe un estereotipo a la que haya que ceñirse, se baila libremente de acuerdo a como cada quien la sienta, y es así como en New York la bailan de una manera, en Los Angeles de otra, los boricuas tienen su forma de bailarle y los colombianos otra, de hecho en Colombia se tiene un estilo propio de bailarla conocido como "salsa caleña", por ser propia de esa región de Colombia. En Cali se reconocen a los bailadores y a los bailarines, los primeros son los que bailan de oído, sin ninguna técnica de baile, los empíricos, los propios bailadores caleños. Los segundos, los bailarines, son profesionales que viven del baile, son de academia, bailan con técnicas de baile, son profesionales, y como viven de eso, además del baile tienen que montar su show para vender, y de ahí que incorporan algo más que el simple baile, como son las coreografías, y todo tipo de figuras, todo lo cual es válido y nadie puede venir a decir que la salsa no se baila así, porque el estilo es libre y diverso, y en ninguna parte del mundo se escucha, se siente y se baila la salsa como en Cali, con estilo propio "salsa caleña", que no se parece a ningún otro estilo en el mundo, "made in Cali", y por eso Cali es reconocida como la "capital mundial de la salsa".
Well explained
Cali Style wins all world wide Salsa competitions, what does that tell you ?!?
no clu dancing lol.
Now.. say that to a Cali style instructor without smiling.
It's all african music at the end of the day.
NOP
In my opinion Colombians don’t really dance salsa, they jump and mix it with like Zamba moves, horrible. Puertoricans & Cubans dance very a like.
I respect your opinion, but just some info, in the Colombian city Cali, which is the capital of salsa in Colombia, holds some of the greatest salsa dancers in the world who've yes they've been in Championships and have topped (Swing Latino). They smile, have a lot of foot work,do many types of acrobatics whilst dancing, and overall enjoy themselves. Colombia has a bunch of salsa classes, but Cali is the hot-spot for learning- Salsa dancers.
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I understand what you’re saying but it still not that classic Salsa dance, sensual like the Puertoricans & Cubans do. I just don’t like the way Colombians dance Salsa. They try to be too cute, too much jumping and the legs all over the place. Looks like a Zamba mixed with Cumbia then they added the Salsa, very confusing. They changed it to their way and that’s ok! but that doesn’t mean is the right way. Cali is the capital of Salsa in Colombia but not the world, that belongs to New York City & Puerto Rico but I have to say that they strongly support it and that’s great.
Puerto Ricans and Cubans did not know how to value their culture and we Colombians have perfected them so much that all Puerto Rican salsa people come to live in Colombia because they feel in their sauce. Puerto Rico is not a country, they are colonized by the gringos, their flag is identical to them.
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See your argument is stupid or maybe you are. Yes, we are a country like any other and better than yours by the way. You guys copy everything we do but never at our level, and we are only 100’ X 35’ in size, can you imagine if we are bigger ??? Shiiit.. Great in sports, music, movies, etc.. too much talent.. Even the Americans haven’t been able to change us, Spanish continues to be our main language after a 100 years of their presence and our culture still strong.. And your salsa sucks by the way.
Y’all don’t know how to dance it nor play it...
I am not going to argue with a Puerto Rican that the first thing he does at birth is to go live in New York because in his country there is no shit. Vende patria