I think that the 6800H is the obvious choice for people who plan on using their laptops as laptops (frequently unplugged, doing light tasks, etc) but who still want capable gaming performance when they plug in at home. The 12700H strikes me as more suitable for "mobile desktop" type situations, where the machine seldom gets used on battery power.
@@allenwalker9928 Yes, but some people want "one machine to rule them all". A machine that offers piles of battery life on the road for non-gaming tasks AND enough gaming performance at home to be competent, even if it's not the absolute fastest.
I suffers from my laptops poor battery life,It was adequate for an year ,later it got worse. Better to get Amd, if the battery life reduces half, then also it can last longer as a brand new Intel.
Jarrod I think you've definitely found your niche. In-depth laptop reviews doing tests that not many other folks do, awesome work! For future work have a look at how to make your graphs accessible to colourblind folks through, red and blue is not the best combination, but purple and orange might be.
The main reason for red and blue on that one graph is down to the colors used by AMD and Intel. That said, I found it pretty difficult to look at because of how bright those particular shades are.
@@JarrodsTech awesome Jarrod, colourblindness is something I have to watch out for when I teach courses. About 8% of your subscribers are impacted by it.
As my asus laptop gpu dying, I needed to decide today which laptop to buy gigabyte xe4 with 12700H and 3070 TI and 16GB DDR4 or Legion 5 Pro same specs but DDR5 and 6800H CPU. I first ordered the 12700H but shortly later realized, if I want go work outside, intel wont last more than 5-6 hrs, so I changed order to Ryzen and performance wise, as I see real world most AAA games and daily windows/software/browsing/apps use ... they almost same, so I changed to 6800H, both had same $1399 price tag.... What do you say?
@@GamersGuard good decision! I am really enjoying my ROG Strix G15. Once I swapped out the MediaTek wifi card for an Intel one it became a great laptop.
So Amd bettery lasts two times the intel and at a compromise of 14% slower speed. Would definitely go for Amd. That 14% doesn't make huge difference in real life but battery life does during mobility
That power scaling graph for Cinebench was really cool to see. Definitely hope to see that for future laptop CPU-focused videos! (Not that these need to happen more than once a generation or so)
Yeah, recently I did the same in 10W increments (but till 5W TDP lol) with my Ryzen 5 4600h laptop just to find the perfect balance between performance & battery life as battery life is very important for me. Ryzen 5 4600h scored 8200 points in R23 at 62W (max possible TDP). You know what, here's how it scaled with MAX fan speed for all: TDP R23 Temps(min-max) 62W-8183-97°C-99.5°C 45W-7806-89°C-95°C 35W-7117-71°C-74°C 25W-6594-64°C-66°C 15W-5354-49°C-51°C 5W-1493-34°C-35°C Performance at 5W lmao
Thanks for the review! As a little hint for improvement, add different colors for intel and AMD, so that it's easier to directly see first glance who is ahead in the graph
I would take 11hours of battery life over 10% performance improvement, That too plugged in, Ryzen makes more sense for me, 12th gen is still a very solid performing cpu, It more suited for laptop users that keep it connected to power supply, I personally don't keep it plugged, Except during gaming so I don't need intel
TDP doesn't necessarily equate to power efficiency. It's obvious that the 6800H is far more power efficient due to the battery life tests. The fact that performance is so close while using less power shows that AMD has done their homework this generation.
No, it shows it's more efficient in video playback. Intel chips are more efficient in other areas. The 13600k actually destroys the Ryzen series in power efficiency in all Adobe workloads and idle.
If you check the power scaling chart at 60W and 120W for Intel, the TDP was doubled and the performance was increased by 25%, ask yourself if you would really treat a laptop like that for 25% increase in performance and then you'll know which CPU suits you better. I go for efficiency & battery life on a laptop.
If u have the posibility to Charge your Laptop after some Hours then its not a big deal and also these are designed for gaming or i caught myself an amd fanboy. Oh and you also get the big performance increase if u are plugged in and ofcourse you should pick the laptop that fits you...
@@feynex31 "Designed for gaming" I caught myself an Intel fanboy who would forgive Intel's failure on efficiency and only compare gaming benchmarks. I take my "gaming laptop" to college and I'm pleased with AMD's efficiency and battery runtime.
The intel is more effiecient though??? "ask yourself if you would really treat a laptop like that for 25% increase in performance", bruh ever heard of desktops lol.
@@Osama-wj5gn your using it for a different use case most people who use a gaming Laptop with this price category to use mostly at home or plugged in. And my point still stands if u can Charge it after some hourse then the performance is worth it. And im no fanboy to anything just being realistic. Its also great for LAN Gaming. Also look what other Reviewers say about this comp. and maybe think again. Also the amd variant is very slow to use in some games where you want the 60fps in higher aaa games. Or you going on vacation or play in the hotel you have power there? And also there are many ways to have charging on the go
@@stalememe6407 That's why is said your laptop, desktops are another story, laptops don't have the thermal limitations of laptops and aren't super noisy and hot when consuming extra 50W, when i game, i set CPU to 28W to give more thermal room to the GPU without affecting the performance, Ryzen clearly performs better than Intel at 28W and below and most Ryzen users take advantage of that. W for Amd.
Thanks for the video as always! I recently received my Legion 5i Pro with 12900H/3070Ti/32GB/1 Tb. I use it for content creation and it is really smooth for that use renders 4k videos in a breeze in Premiere Pro. However the battery life is really really bad :D
Same reason I got one. The IPS 2.5k screen was actually the main selling point to me. True colors no need for calibration. I do a bunch of photo editing on the go and it's exactly what I've been looking for
@@nicedward7544 Same here, and i use my Laptop like 99% of the time at home and most of that time i'm sitting at a desk while it's plugged in, so the battery is really no issue.
I only wish this test was made without the liquid cooler, to better represent how one would use a laptop. Extremely interesting results regardless, and an exceptionally well-made comparison. Thanks Jarrod!
@@cameronbosch1213 "Liquid metal" is just fancy marketing branding for a built-in cooling solution. Adding water cooling to both laptops means the standard thermals - that almost all users would have to deal with - is completely out the window, and raw performance could be different from what the normal user would experience.
We can only assume Jarod decided to "rule out thermal limits" to make sure Intel won. Why would you do that? Do these laptops come with an external liquid cooler? Do most people buy a liquid cooler for their laptops? The Intel machine probably thermal throttles like crazy above 80 watts.
Great video, but I wish you could've compared the temperatures in a comparable way. The liquid cooling makes a big difference, and even if they aren't thermal throttling, the fan noise is an important difference
But that would make the test biased. This will vary greatly by your individual laptop and its vents, cooling effectiveness, size, power limits etc. There's no way of knowing how loud your laptop would be. The liquid cooling was used to compare these two in a vacuum, to just look at the cpus in their theoretical ideal environment.
It would be really interesting to see this same test with no liquid cooling. Will the intel i7 get throttled and performance get crushed? What are your thoughts on that?
My thoughts exactly. Most folks would be running without Liquid Cooling most/all of the time, your hardly going to lug that LC Block about in you Back pack ffs. Kind of a nonsense comparison giving the CPU that runs hotter and draws more power such a huge crutch to lean on LOL.
if you looked at the temps, you would see the Intel one was cooler when both had liquid cooling. Extrapolating this to air cooling, you would see that the Intel one would most likely have a lower temperature than the AMD one on air as well, unless they did something to improve the Intel laptop’s water cooling performance. Even then, it’s not like the laptops are going to get throttled to the point of using less than 45 watts, so Intel is going to win regardless.
The other thing about AMD is that you can do the registry hack that enables a one button turbo disable power profile in control panel, it's really as easy as on and off, and at 3.3ghz base clock for the 6900hx or indeed 3.2 for the 6800H, you can play ANY game and keep temps and noise super low. Disabling turbo on the intel chips leaves stupidly low base clocks. I've done extensive testing on this, and at 3.3ghz the 5900HX/3070 non TI, 140w, played any AAA+ title perfectly, so the 6900HX will too. In fact it was the best compromise cause the CPU could be heavily loaded and it wasn't stressing the thermals, and allowed the GPU to max out.
On amd h processors You can manually set core clock speed (mhz) in hiden Windows settings , i got my 5800h on 3700-3800mhz, temp. are lower comparing to factory settings and perormance is still there.
Both AMD and INTEL are so powerful nowadays for most people in a way that I don't think these performance differences matter anymore. However, the most important aspect now is power efficiency.
Actually it does matter cuz some games use pre-made engines that cause CPU bottlenecks. Idk why, but in CPU heavy games Intel CPUs perform the way better than AMD. 6800H's single thread performance is the way worse than both i7-12700h and i9-12900h.
@@ПичкТани When you buy something like a 6800H/i7 12700H/i9 12900H, probably the laptop comes with a 3070 or above GPU, just play at 1440p to make the game GPU bound and for eSports both AMD and Intel would push 300+ fps, at which point it doesn't even matter. The i7 and i9s are boosting to super high clock speeds, and coupled with the IPC gains of Alder lake it'll obviously beat Zen 3 in Single core which came out around Intel 10th gen.
On my legion 5 pro with 5800H, the limiting factor to performance is the built in 60A limit for the TDC setting. It doesn't matter what CPU wattage limit you set above 82Watts, it will not go higher because of the tdc limit combined with the fixed 1.218V set in the bios. Without the ability to play with CPU voltages, 82W is as much as I can get out of the cpu. It is a shame that the curve optimizer is not available to these cpus.
For those confused about the CPU alphabets in the back: ．H (High Performance) - usually consumes more power ．U (Ultra-low power) - more battery efficient, consumes less power, seen in laptops ．Q (Quad-core) ．G3/G5/G7 (Integrated graphic card - higher the better integrated graphic card performance) ．F (No integrated graphics card) ．X (High number of cores) ．K (Allow overclocking - but usually means it may easily overheat) ．P (New terminology for the Intel Core 12th gen, means that CPU has "big/small" multicore)
Thanks, but I believe all of Intel's i5, i7, i9 in Alder Lake have "big & small multicore" if you mean power cores and efficient cores. Even the U series and H series, not just P series.
It's obvious that Intel needs a lot of power to perform as expected. If performance is what you need for say gaming or serious media creation them Intel might have what you need but if you're looking for a chip that's good on pretty much all sides and gets the job done, with 2x battery life, especially for a thin and light form factor AMD is the way to go
yeah just use amd until you find it loud like a jet engine, there are reasons many still buy intel like me, still want amd defeat intel so i can get their cpu cheaper
@@iShredStreets what do you mean? Laptops are perfect choice for college students who tend to move a lot, I personally move a lot and don't have a stable place to stay in, somtimes at campus, somtimes at family place, sometimes renting.... Y'know having a gaming machine moving with me was a godsend. But yeah if u stick in one place busting cash on a gaming laptop is stupid.
@@cazmoken8181 I'm talking about the gentleman above me. Yes, for portability, it's perfect but some people are acting as if its the best choice for Gaming. We all know that a PC is a much better choice if you want to have a powerful Gaming machine.
Already made the choice a few days ago and I'm going with intel. Essentially what I need was a strong machine for gaming at home and photo/video editing for work while traveling around locations for the next 3 years or so. I'll never really need to use the laptop unplugged for for longer than a couple hours while in the train maybe. By tweaking some setting you can extend the battery life too if needed with normal/low use
This is why AMD is king in efficiency. When their 4000 series laptops dropped, more and more companies wanted their chips in their laptops. Someone sold me a dell g15 with a ryzen 7 6800h paired with a 3050 for $450. Best deal ever.
How's it working out until now mate? Does it give a fair performance when unplugged with high computing tasks and low computing tasks? The battery life, in terms of issues n stuff....
Thank you for this graph 4:25(cpu performance in difference tdp) , i appreciate it a lot. Usually i lock CPU's frequency to have cold and quiet laptop and now I AMD sound for me perfect
Due to lots of fancy features such as video decoder/encoder, AI accelerator, etc., lots of intel 12 gen CPUs suffer from crazy high uncore power (power that's not used by pure arithmetic units in CPU). Also, sometimes they can't enter standby mode during idle to save power due to some software bugs with dGPU. Therefore, 12 gen CPUs' battery life can vary hugely among optimized and less-optimized laptops. There are definitely laptops with Intel CPUs that still offer good battery life, but yeh, generally AMD does pull ahead.
Which is mainly the problem that AMD seems to have put more effort in improving (instead of the CPU architecture). Laptops are just very difficult to assess properly before purchasing.
I believe that when buying a laptop, not a desktop, it's more important the performance per watt than comparing only performance in an ideal case scenario with water cooling. That's why I already bought a laptop with 6800H.
The temps and power scaling were great. Both CPU's are good. Seems to be a fair trade off in overall performance vs power efficiency. The intel CPU is faster and more computing power. But AMD has better power and battery efficiency, which can have additional quality of life benefits. All laptops suffer thermal throttling. Will depend on the cooling of each setup. Also the Value Equation. Just depends which models are available, and how affordable, at the time. I'm looking for a new computer. Appreciate the detailed comparison and reviews. Thanks for all your hard work Jarrod. 👍
The battery test looks wrong. Did you use the same video? AV1 Decoding can use a lot more battery, if you used something different / weren't logged into youtube with av1 setting set to be preferred and one used a different codec then that would explain the results. Also some browsers especially older versions dont have av1 hw decoding so even if the gpu supports it those old browsers will use software which would also explain such a huge difference
It's a pattern, check out his old videos since Ryzen 4000 vs Intel 10th gen - Ryzen way better battery life and performance Ryzen 5000 vs Intel 11th gen - Ryzen way better battery life but similar performance Ryzen 5000/6000 vs Intel 12th gen - Ryzen way better battery life but 15% lower performance.
Super head to head comparison, very well done. Intel has done good with the hybrid chips and it the right choice for raw power provided it gets the power it wants. Amd efficiency is still great and better for mobility at the cost of very high performance. I'm the end the user has to decide on priorities and chose accordingly. Thanks for the very informative video
Yep it's intentional, I mention after it that if you're seeing the end then the game test video isn't out yet. I'm going to cut off that bit in the RUclips editor once the second video is up and change the link. Best I can do until it's up
Thanks for the comparison. Gaming, video editing, and compilation always need raw performance x # of cores, it’s just physics, efficiency doesn’t help there. The question is, where is the balance. I have a Surface Pro 8, battery life sucks, 6 hours max no matter what I do. I used to use AMD 5700G, and I thought that was perfect for me, 8c/16t is good enough for my workflow, and integrated GPU is powerful enough to play LoL, maybe some CS:Go and that’s it. I ain’t no competitive so it’s fine but AMD 5700g is not a mobile chip. And I always want to have a tablet without carrying extra device. So if a Surface Pro 8 can last at least 10 hours, give it at least 2 more cores to 6c/12t, I can hook up my eGPU when I work and game. Then take it with me to travel as tablet and lightweight laptop, that’s 100% perfect balance for me because when I use it as mobile, I don’t game and I don’t do crazy stuff, who would with just a 13” screen right? Well at least I would not.
I'm more interested in how the different laptops work in much more realistic use case scenarios for a laptop. I'm talking going to an Airbnb or hotel, and doing some gaming when you have a little downtime. So therefore no liquid cooling available. Still it's pretty obvious from the information you've given here that the AMD would probably be better in this type of scenario, whereas as using it as a desktop replacement, I think the intel definitely is the better option
Wow! I just asked this specific question on your last post. Talk about an in depth analysis! Thank you soo much Jarrod!! Quick question. I heard that the new DDR5 memory eliminates the need for 2 separate RAM modules to take advantage of the dual channel. So, I guess the DDR5 memory can act as dual channel with a single stick of memory?
True. Instead of using a single 64-bit bus in DDR4, two separate 32-buses are used in DDR5; therefore, the difference between using a single-channel config and the dual-channel is less than before. Other than having more bandwidth available to the CPU in the dual-channel configuration, there's not much to lose in single-channel configs.
@@cryonim You can live with DDR5 single slot better than single DDR4 slot. still you can expect a downgrade without going dual slots. I don't remember of how much. You better check the video for that. So DDR5 is in a better shape than DDR4 but still improvable with dual slots.
I wonder if some deep dive power tuning could be done to increase battery life on the intel in power saving mode. maybe even some undervolting. There's enough performance on the table that you don't need much of the CPU for basic tasks. Would be great to get 6-8 on battery for basic email/browsing/excel stuff (work) and then plug it in and get the huge performance boost.
That's a lot of work, Jarrod! Intel will have to improve in battery life department, with AMD and Apple chips being so much more efficient now. Too bad some manufacturers continue to ignore AMD chips for thin and light machines (looking at you, Dell XPS). I hope it will change with the upcoming USB4-enabled laptops.
I have doubt for CPU power power limit for AMD as 6800H doesn’t seem to be able to use 80W if at all? The scaling for power limit is really weird. But you have done great video as always, well done
Probably because the intel version uses liquid metal, while amd uses thermal paste. If you check the temperature, intel only reaches 60c on 80w while amd reaches 80c
This was really interesting. I've got both an Asus X13 (5900HS) and a Z13 (i7), and since both are amenable to actually being used as mobile devices, I find myself continually wishing the Z13 had AMD internals. Z13 battery life is just atrocious, and the "maximum power" scenario just doesn't materialize for me in this form factor.
Whoever buys intel now, for mid budgets gotta be a fool, if he just wants that mere 16% improvement lol.. Lol, are you gonna build google, why pay more for that 16%
What would be interesting is to do the performance test controlled for total power consumption - adjust TDP separately such that power draw at the wall was equal and see who comes out ahead.
If you want the battery to do much then go with the apple, it's a better alternative too , or that Asus x flow series is also great and ryzen is better than Intel here as said
I have been observing your channel for some time and I see you've got a very substantive knowledge about laptops. I hope you could give me some advice or opinions that would help me settle this down for good. Shortly before the New Year's Eve I managed to get a Legion 5 2021 with 5800H, 3060, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 1080p 165Hz panel for 1023 euros off of Spanish Amazon, with VAT difference and shipping included. In my country such configuration still costs a whopping 1280 euros or even more, and local deals are a f00k!ng joke. Availability of Legion 5 2022 is very scarce, with prices starting at 1280 euros for the same specs expect i5 12500H CPU, 1385 euros for i7 12700H CPU, and 1406 euros for R7 6800H (!). While I can return my "old" Legion 5 within 30 days, I'm still looking for some interesting deals for 2022 laptops, preferably with Intel's CPU. During Black Week there was a L5 2022 with i7 12700H and 3070 (probably Ti) for only 1300 euros in one of the German online shops. The same configuration was offered by the Swiss Lenovo store for only 1100 euros or so. I don't need anything more powerful than 3060. In fact, a 3050/Ti would suffice me, but the regular price for it is so pricey that adding a bit more money for a 3060 on sale is a more wise option. And so far I haven't seen any good deal for a laptop with 12th gen Intel and 3060 :(.
Hey Jarrod, just got into gaming laptops and your channel is a goldmine !! What did you use to limit tdp for 6800h, I read that you cannot undervolt this boi, and I'm looking for the best alternatives to limit the temperature spikes. What tools / tdp values would you suggest for this cpu ?
As someone sensitive to fan noise (I use open-back headphones) I'd probably take an AMD machine, although I can wait before upgrading so I'll probably hold off until RTX4000/RX7000 launches to see if/how much is it worth waiting for the next generation.
A good review with lots of useful information. I would love to see an updated test using a more common setup, sans liquid cooling. By using the XMG/Liquid setup, this was more of an XMG Intel vs XMG Ryzen test than a 12700h vs 6800h test. I understand the desire to rule out thermal limits, but since this option isn't available to the overwhelming majority of us, it may not have the same impact. I'm on the verge of buying a Legion 5 Pro (based largely on your Best of Laptop video). I'm going AMD 6900hx over 12700h. Both are priced identically and share the same specs other than the cpu. I've yet to see a direct comparison but based on a lot of your videos, and some others, I'm assuming that: 1. The 6900hx will perform slightly better than the 6800h. (based on some of your other videos...thanks) 2. The AMD will perform much better than the Intel when on battery. (also based on some of your other videos..thx) 3. The Intel is more likely to heat throttle when not hooked up to a liquid cooler. 4. The laptop will be cooler to the touch and, therefore, more pleasant to use. These are assumptions, albeit educated ones. They are also the real-world considerations many will prioritize over an idealized benchmark comparison. As a subscriber and regular viewer, I'd love to see a video to confirm that. Thanks for all of the great videos. Please keep them coming.
Thank you for putting the laptop battery life info so early in the video! It was definitely the biggest thing in AMD's favor and it's usually omitted until the end when it's arguably the most important aspect of any laptop.
At the same time you're probably not looking at these types of laptops for battery life though. A 6XXX U CPU from AMD would make more sense for that purpose (and Intel has nothing on offer AFAIK in that segment).
@@MLWJ1993 I disagree. The notion that a gaming laptop should be expected to have poor battery life is something that should be abolished. It used to be like that, but you shouldn't omit the fact that one product gets double the 'ON-time' vs it's competitor and ignore that information when buying a machine. The idea that you get great battery life in a gaming machine should be seen as a huge win.
@@imglidinhere but this isn't "great battery life" for gaming & for multimedia you can do much better than 10hrs, so the 6xxxU series would make more sense there since it offers the majority of the gaming performance anyway (you're GPU bound 90% of the time)!
This kind of videos really show what normal user will concern. If there is any chance, can you shows the GPUs performance with different power consumption(100w,120w,145w,175w)
been looking at the gigabyte aero 5 xe4 laptop with a 12700h as my next laptop, and this makes me feel more confident in going for that laptop. just waiting for it to go on sale so i can get it at a more affordable price
I simply went with an AMD , cause my priority was a longer battery life , and besides it is not that AMD is too slow compared to intel .So , a no brainer for me .
I'm happy to see AMD not falling for the "more power draw hypetrain", despite knowing the fact their 6000 series cannot keep a fancy #1 place in benchmarking scores. Yet, they continued to maintain the high battery efficiency, especially important for a device that is meant to be "portable", the laptops AMD's Ryzen 4000 series CPU's was a huge eye opener to me when I first discovered Jarrod's RUclips channel Jarrod did multiples of laptops battery tests for 2020 laptops, with Ryzen 4000 series CPU's and Intel 10th gen series CPU's. Majority of AMD CPU based laptops easily surpass their Intel CPU counterpart Laptops don't actually drain your battery empty, like a leaky pipe. It's Intel CPU's with their unique characteristic of not providing decent power efficiency for whatever reason
Agree expecially for singleplayer games which wont give huge benefits due to gpu bottleneck. In esport games it is completely different story because most esport games are cpu bottleneck scenario
So if you need serious power, you definitely want the i7-12700H. The only reason to go for AMD is if you care about battery life basically (which can be important, but i think most people use their laptop at home 90% of the time, or at work where they can have it plugged in anyway).
QUESTION: So the 12700H works at 45W and can go higher... But how high can it go (W)? If CPU and GPU are both asking for power, which one has priority? How much amount of (W) can they share at top performance? I've bought a new laptop (the box is still unopened). My laptop: MSI Raider GE76 12UGS 12700H 3070ti (150W) 32 RAM 4800 DDR5 1TB SSD 17.3 inches 1440p 240hz
If you want to play PS3 games on your PC with RPCS3, Intel 12th gen is a better choice - as recommended by the developer. For emulator, CPU is more important than GPU. I can run The Last of Us at full speed with 12700H.
@Ranav Singh He has obviously done something right to get the laptops for "FREE" and make people like you watch his content. It's a skill in my opinion.
Excellent video Jarrod. Absolutely nailed it. I am planning to buy a laptop and a bit confused between ryzen 7 6800h (vivobook pro 15 oled) vs ryzen 9 5900hx (rog 9 strix g15 2022). My work is usually around an intermediate level video editing, designing and am planning to learn after effects now as well. Could you please point me to a right direction?
I find something odd with the just 5 hours of youtube playback. What power settings did you use? I just used my 12700h laptop (17 inch) for about 4 hours and a bit and got to just below 50% battery (in bed, I use less than 50% brightness as I don't need more) and use Ubuntu (22.04) in lower power mode as that is more than enough for browsing with my 100+ tabs. I think there is a power management problem there, Windows should go to the lowest power needed for that task.
Screen set to 200 nits. Screen brightness was different between AMD and Intel models, but Intel was lower at 57% (71% for AMD). In my test optimus was on. Lowest performance mode, RUclips playback at 720p. No RGB on the laptop.
Hey Jarrod don’t know if you’ll see this but in hardware unboxed’s video on the i7 12700h and 6800h, both score very similarly in the decompression benchmark he did in 7 zip(mb/s) why could it be that you’re getting results that show the 12700h being slower than the 6800h?
Would be useful to check the average clockspeeds while you were doing that power scaling to see if there's any headroom left on the i7 beyond 120W. That AMD looks almost completely tapped out as low as 55-60W. They really need to consider a 12 or 16 core option to compete with these mobile Intels, this gen is efficient enough to get a really good benefit out of 65-80W range
Personally i'll take the ryzen even though I'm an intel guy on an intel gaming laptop because that battery life difference is massive and i do light gaming but when I'm unplugged I'm always doing work and productivity and need battery life.
Intel is greater than amd when power isn't a problem. Intel is the best at scaling high power compared to AMD which somehow didn't do well above 45 watt. However, on battery, mobile situation when plugged in charger isn't an option. AMD is shining here due well optimization on lower watt compared to Intel. So yes, if you're looking desktop replacement, but mobile enough than Desktop. Intel is an option. If you're mobile person that laptop are rarely placed on same place. AMD is your choice
gaming laptops are rarely ever ran on battery. Because if you do run it on battery you don't need the performance anyway because the gpu will be throttled. So no, if you are buying a 'gaming' or performance heavy laptop, AMD isn't a good choice. And if you aren't buying it for performance then you don't even have a debate between 6800H or 12700H as they are quite expensive.
@@cryonim not really, i’m using an asus zephyrus G15 (5900HS and rtx 3060), and the 10 hours of battery life in this laptop is AMAZING as i don’t need to find wall socket while doing some light-moderate task. And because of the lower power requirement they don’t need much cooling thus less copper and less weight so i can brought it everywhere on the go while also able to play AAA games when traveling (plugged). If i wanted to play with much more power i can play at home using a desktop not a “laptop” lol.
What I learnt from this video is the i7-12700H is 14% faster overall at a ridiculous 80W which most laptops cannot sustain like cheaper mainstream options, while, the 6800H model provided 100% better battery life. This is from Ryzen 6000 which is basically Ryzen 5000 with a node shrink.
@@petitpanierdosier3206 I don't think it's a big problem. My class is near the school sport field, so it'll always be noisy. But if it's in the library then yeah it's problem, but not to the point that i got kicked out just because I'm noisy. 😀
Jarrods so basically I need a new laptop for Autocad, rendering and simulate. Should I stay with AMD and is the integrated graphics enough to do the job?
ryzen is a nice cpu for manufacturing cheap gaming laptops,lower tier gpu can go through amd igpu without too much loss in fps due to very good igpu also ryzen laptop is cheaper
@@danman1287 not sure if its slower tho,hardly ever a laptop surpass a 45w tdp+ and maxing out the gpu,beside desktop replacement,which is impractical for bringing a 3kg laptop+1kg charger
@@pham3383 your laptop is slower than my origin eon 15x 3950x n I bought that cheap. Good luck overpaying sucker. I don't care about the size Bec unlike u I earn with my laptop. People who earn don't buy Ryzen 6000 laptops
Hi Jarrod, Really liked your video! The tests are very interesting! While I do agree with the Idea laptops do allow for higher power limits people don't generally use liquid cooling that much with their laptops. It would therefor be essential when buying a laptop to consider the cooling performance and fan noise of a laptop. In that light it would be interesting to gauge the performance of these laptops while using a normal laptop cooler and see how the CPUs handle the heat. But as every laptop has a different cooler I get why you wanted to take it out of the equation. But I'm under the impression this would favour intel a bit as that cpu uses the most power...
thank you for the honest review. I am an AMD Fanboy if it comes to Desktop Workstation. So it was always hard to look elsewhere, when buying a Laptop. But to make it short, you are one of the few reviewer who speak about the typical scenario of a gaming or creator Laptop. If i work with the laptop as an artist, i don't care much about how fast the battery will run low, because in this case the laptop will always be on power supply. It may be that the 6800h will be better for Ultrabook, ultra mobile low power devices, but on Power machines, it's the pure performance what counts. Intel made a very good hit with the 12th gen notebooks cpu's no doubts. With a nice 3080 it rocks, no matter what i throw at.
Hello Jarrod, great video as always with so many details! With AMD 6000series and Intel 12th gen , the number of cores and threads is not similar like in the past. In this video for example AMD had 8/16 and Intel 14/20. Is this type of comparison still fair now? Since Intel has more cores and more threads. I have a Legion with 4600H and RTX2060 and i plan to upgrade every two generations of CPU and GPU. I have no idea what to use now when the next 4000series RTX is available. Keep up the good work!
These processors are what is currently available. What ultimately matters is the final performance in whatever task you are interested in. Another important metric is price. You either choose the best possible performance in a given form factor, or you choose the best performance in the price range you are interested in. The number of cores doesn't really matter, because you are simply buying what is available.
@@PeterKoperdan and more important, 6800H laptops have the same price as i5 12500H ones, or maybe even cheaper. The biggest drawback here is that AMD depends on TSMC to manufacture their CPUs, which leads to limited availability as TSMC has so many other clients (especially Apple)
the fact that the AMD CPU is 2 years old by now it impressive by itself. I thought Intel could make it better speaking of the battery this time because of the efficiency cores.
Dude i love you, im so hyped. i dont know if i should go for legion 5i Pro this year or legion 7 from last year with a 3080. Anyone got me a tip? New legion 7 i supposed to be 2750 Euros with 3070ti on pre order, way too much!
Started watching your videos and loving them. I am mainly a laptop only gamer. Currently using a Asus Rog Strix g512, bought it on special. Has 240hrz/3ms screen, rtx 2070 8GB, bought it for $2000. I am not a pro gamer. I play random games, from minecraft to fallout 4 (modded) and others I randomly decide to play. I have been looking into a update on top range specs. I like to have a laptop that can handle current and future games. Would you be able to recommend a video that says which brand/component brands are best. I am tempted to go for the Asus Strix Scar 15. I mainly used Asus but looking at msi or gigabyte just not sure. Any advice would be great, Cheers and awesome videos.
Somethings weird about those battery results, id take it with a grain of salt, and say its an xmg thing. The zephyrus m16(intel) and g15(amd) are practically the same laptop too, yet the AMD only gets 1 or 2 hours better battery life. Not double.
See how these CPUs compare in 21 games at 1080p and 1440p next: ruclips.net/video/0yncp9c5zAU/видео.html
I wonder what the performance comparison would look like while charging through USB c. This would be a common limit for people who are traveling.
Do 4k editing test
Please include dota 2, please
When? Cannot wait!
okay
I think that the 6800H is the obvious choice for people who plan on using their laptops as laptops (frequently unplugged, doing light tasks, etc) but who still want capable gaming performance when they plug in at home. The 12700H strikes me as more suitable for "mobile desktop" type situations, where the machine seldom gets used on battery power.
It's been like that for generations now lmao
Except for the fact it's a gaming cpu, never seen someone playing games unplugged.
@@allenwalker9928 Yes, but some people want "one machine to rule them all". A machine that offers piles of battery life on the road for non-gaming tasks AND enough gaming performance at home to be competent, even if it's not the absolute fastest.
@@allenwalker9928 another person saying "a gaming laptop isn't a computer, it's a gaming console, so only gaming matters" 🤦♂
I suffers from my laptops poor battery life,It was adequate for an year ,later it got worse. Better to get Amd, if the battery life reduces half, then also it can last longer as a brand new Intel.
Jarrod I think you've definitely found your niche. In-depth laptop reviews doing tests that not many other folks do, awesome work! For future work have a look at how to make your graphs accessible to colourblind folks through, red and blue is not the best combination, but purple and orange might be.
The main reason for red and blue on that one graph is down to the colors used by AMD and Intel.
That said, I found it pretty difficult to look at because of how bright those particular shades are.
Thanks for the feedback! As Sonicboy mentioned, it's branding colour but I will look into using more colourblind friendly colours in the future.
@@JarrodsTech awesome Jarrod, colourblindness is something I have to watch out for when I teach courses. About 8% of your subscribers are impacted by it.
As my asus laptop gpu dying, I needed to decide today which laptop to buy gigabyte xe4 with 12700H and 3070 TI and 16GB DDR4 or Legion 5 Pro same specs but DDR5 and 6800H CPU. I first ordered the 12700H but shortly later realized, if I want go work outside, intel wont last more than 5-6 hrs, so I changed order to Ryzen and performance wise, as I see real world most AAA games and daily windows/software/browsing/apps use ... they almost same, so I changed to 6800H, both had same $1399 price tag.... What do you say?
@@GamersGuard good decision! I am really enjoying my ROG Strix G15. Once I swapped out the MediaTek wifi card for an Intel one it became a great laptop.
So Amd bettery lasts two times the intel and at a compromise of 14% slower speed. Would definitely go for Amd. That 14% doesn't make huge difference in real life but battery life does during mobility
Good, with better battery life, you can lose against to intel longer lol
@Garrus Vakarian same power level they perform same, higher power amd loses lol
@Garrus Vakarian lol amd wins at 10w, congratz go play tetris with that amd for 20hours lmao
@Garrus Vakarian why compare amd to intel if you gonna cry everytime lol
Thats a 10 mins plus saving on 1 hour work, everyone values their time differently but 10 minutes is a lot for me
That power scaling graph for Cinebench was really cool to see. Definitely hope to see that for future laptop CPU-focused videos! (Not that these need to happen more than once a generation or so)
Agreed. That scaling graph tells the story so well.
Jarrod showed it in discord about a week ago and I was like 👍👍
Yeah, recently I did the same in 10W increments (but till 5W TDP lol) with my Ryzen 5 4600h laptop just to find the perfect balance between performance & battery life as battery life is very important for me. Ryzen 5 4600h scored 8200 points in R23 at 62W (max possible TDP). You know what, here's how it scaled with MAX fan speed for all:
TDP R23 Temps(min-max)
62W-8183-97°C-99.5°C
45W-7806-89°C-95°C
35W-7117-71°C-74°C
25W-6594-64°C-66°C
15W-5354-49°C-51°C
5W-1493-34°C-35°C
Performance at 5W lmao
@@ashyouknow7420 Yo, at 37 watts i got 8000 on cinebench.
@@smallcatgirl Mine is running on single channel RAM
Yeah it will be in videos going forward, I think I did something similar last year too.
Thanks for the review! As a little hint for improvement, add different colors for intel and AMD, so that it's easier to directly see first glance who is ahead in the graph
I would take 11hours of battery life over 10% performance improvement, That too plugged in, Ryzen makes more sense for me, 12th gen is still a very solid performing cpu, It more suited for laptop users that keep it connected to power supply, I personally don't keep it plugged, Except during gaming so I don't need intel
exactly my thought
same here. I will take amd on a laptop any day. Really don't need 10% more perf but be always plugged to the wall.
TDP doesn't necessarily equate to power efficiency. It's obvious that the 6800H is far more power efficient due to the battery life tests. The fact that performance is so close while using less power shows that AMD has done their homework this generation.
6nm vs 10nm
How do you do battery life test?
No, it shows it's more efficient in video playback. Intel chips are more efficient in other areas. The 13600k actually destroys the Ryzen series in power efficiency in all Adobe workloads and idle.
@@maxjames00077 so, in all the other scenarios, AMD is better? Good to know 👍
@@madpistol if thats what you got from my comment then I feel sorry for you. Comprehensive reading isn't easy.
If you check the power scaling chart at 60W and 120W for Intel, the TDP was doubled and the performance was increased by 25%, ask yourself if you would really treat a laptop like that for 25% increase in performance and then you'll know which CPU suits you better. I go for efficiency & battery life on a laptop.
If u have the posibility to Charge your Laptop after some Hours then its not a big deal and also these are designed for gaming or i caught myself an amd fanboy. Oh and you also get the big performance increase if u are plugged in and ofcourse you should pick the laptop that fits you...
@@feynex31 "Designed for gaming" I caught myself an Intel fanboy who would forgive Intel's failure on efficiency and only compare gaming benchmarks.
I take my "gaming laptop" to college and I'm pleased with AMD's efficiency and battery runtime.
The intel is more effiecient though??? "ask yourself if you would really treat a laptop like that for 25% increase in performance", bruh ever heard of desktops lol.
@@Osama-wj5gn your using it for a different use case most people who use a gaming Laptop with this price category to use mostly at home or plugged in. And my point still stands if u can Charge it after some hourse then the performance is worth it. And im no fanboy to anything just being realistic. Its also great for LAN Gaming. Also look what other Reviewers say about this comp. and maybe think again. Also the amd variant is very slow to use in some games where you want the 60fps in higher aaa games. Or you going on vacation or play in the hotel you have power there? And also there are many ways to have charging on the go
@@stalememe6407 That's why is said your laptop, desktops are another story, laptops don't have the thermal limitations of laptops and aren't super noisy and hot when consuming extra 50W, when i game, i set CPU to 28W to give more thermal room to the GPU without affecting the performance, Ryzen clearly performs better than Intel at 28W and below and most Ryzen users take advantage of that. W for Amd.
Thanks for the video as always! I recently received my Legion 5i Pro with 12900H/3070Ti/32GB/1 Tb. I use it for content creation and it is really smooth for that use renders 4k videos in a breeze in Premiere Pro. However the battery life is really really bad :D
Same reason I got one. The IPS 2.5k screen was actually the main selling point to me. True colors no need for calibration. I do a bunch of photo editing on the go and it's exactly what I've been looking for
@@nicedward7544 Same here, and i use my Laptop like 99% of the time at home and most of that time i'm sitting at a desk while it's plugged in, so the battery is really no issue.
I only wish this test was made without the liquid cooler, to better represent how one would use a laptop. Extremely interesting results regardless, and an exceptionally well-made comparison. Thanks Jarrod!
The Intel laptop had liquid metal though...
@@cameronbosch1213 "Liquid metal" is just fancy marketing branding for a built-in cooling solution. Adding water cooling to both laptops means the standard thermals - that almost all users would have to deal with - is completely out the window, and raw performance could be different from what the normal user would experience.
We can only assume Jarod decided to "rule out thermal limits" to make sure Intel won. Why would you do that? Do these laptops come with an external liquid cooler? Do most people buy a liquid cooler for their laptops?
The Intel machine probably thermal throttles like crazy above 80 watts.
Great video, but I wish you could've compared the temperatures in a comparable way. The liquid cooling makes a big difference, and even if they aren't thermal throttling, the fan noise is an important difference
i would take AMD all day long if that version had better thermals
But that would make the test biased. This will vary greatly by your individual laptop and its vents, cooling effectiveness, size, power limits etc. There's no way of knowing how loud your laptop would be.
The liquid cooling was used to compare these two in a vacuum, to just look at the cpus in their theoretical ideal environment.
amD taste better than intelD
It would be really interesting to see this same test with no liquid cooling. Will the intel i7 get throttled and performance get crushed? What are your thoughts on that?
My thoughts exactly. Most folks would be running without Liquid Cooling most/all of the time, your hardly going to lug that LC Block about in you Back pack ffs.
Kind of a nonsense comparison giving the CPU that runs hotter and draws more power such a huge crutch to lean on LOL.
Hell yeah the intel throttles also who runs a laptop at 120watts?
Not comparable. The Intel laptop had liquid metal.
if you looked at the temps, you would see the Intel one was cooler when both had liquid cooling. Extrapolating this to air cooling, you would see that the Intel one would most likely have a lower temperature than the AMD one on air as well, unless they did something to improve the Intel laptop’s water cooling performance.
Even then, it’s not like the laptops are going to get throttled to the point of using less than 45 watts, so Intel is going to win regardless.
@@AbcdEf-lz6oe the 6800h didnt have liquid metal?
The other thing about AMD is that you can do the registry hack that enables a one button turbo disable power profile in control panel, it's really as easy as on and off, and at 3.3ghz base clock for the 6900hx or indeed 3.2 for the 6800H, you can play ANY game and keep temps and noise super low. Disabling turbo on the intel chips leaves stupidly low base clocks. I've done extensive testing on this, and at 3.3ghz the 5900HX/3070 non TI, 140w, played any AAA+ title perfectly, so the 6900HX will too. In fact it was the best compromise cause the CPU could be heavily loaded and it wasn't stressing the thermals, and allowed the GPU to max out.
agree
I did that to my 6900HS
You can cap the clock speed and power using throttle stop
On amd h processors You can manually set core clock speed (mhz) in hiden Windows settings , i got my 5800h on 3700-3800mhz, temp. are lower comparing to factory settings and perormance is still there.
@@user-nh8hb3fw1r how?
Both AMD and INTEL are so powerful nowadays for most people in a way that I don't think these performance differences matter anymore. However, the most important aspect now is power efficiency.
I agree for most people.
@@JarrodsTech indeed. 🌹🌺
Actually it does matter cuz some games use pre-made engines that cause CPU bottlenecks. Idk why, but in CPU heavy games Intel CPUs perform the way better than AMD. 6800H's single thread performance is the way worse than both i7-12700h and i9-12900h.
Honestly, I want to see how much performance there is to gain from increasing the amount of cache.
@@ПичкТани When you buy something like a 6800H/i7 12700H/i9 12900H, probably the laptop comes with a 3070 or above GPU, just play at 1440p to make the game GPU bound and for eSports both AMD and Intel would push 300+ fps, at which point it doesn't even matter. The i7 and i9s are boosting to super high clock speeds, and coupled with the IPC gains of Alder lake it'll obviously beat Zen 3 in Single core which came out around Intel 10th gen.
On my legion 5 pro with 5800H, the limiting factor to performance is the built in 60A limit for the TDC setting. It doesn't matter what CPU wattage limit you set above 82Watts, it will not go higher because of the tdc limit combined with the fixed 1.218V set in the bios. Without the ability to play with CPU voltages, 82W is as much as I can get out of the cpu. It is a shame that the curve optimizer is not available to these cpus.
My friend, i just buy a legión i5pro Whit 6800h , u know how to set up for dont use the battery? Ty
For those confused about the CPU alphabets in the back:
．H (High Performance) - usually consumes more power
．U (Ultra-low power) - more battery efficient, consumes less power, seen in laptops
．Q (Quad-core)
．G3/G5/G7 (Integrated graphic card - higher the better integrated graphic card performance)
．F (No integrated graphics card)
．X (High number of cores)
．K (Allow overclocking - but usually means it may easily overheat)
．P (New terminology for the Intel Core 12th gen, means that CPU has "big/small" multicore)
Thanks, but I believe all of Intel's i5, i7, i9 in Alder Lake have "big & small multicore" if you mean power cores and efficient cores. Even the U series and H series, not just P series.
if H for term high performance... for laptops still get performance cut by manufactures?
Thanks. But how about HQ, HK, MQ/QM?
@@dreyb1801 its an addition of the both letters
@@alaouilahbibimohamed2912 Okay thanks
For me it would be 6800H as a laptop, but 12700H as a desktop replacement (unless it is loud).
I think it makes more sense to use Intel model as a desktop because of the power draw.
@@dreadowen616 it's low in 12th Gen (mostly in gaming)
Same I think 😁👍
Thanks for making video on AMD ryzen 7 6800H i am about to buy asus rog g17 with rtx 3060 and wanna know about this cpu thanks a lot 👍
It's obvious that Intel needs a lot of power to perform as expected. If performance is what you need for say gaming or serious media creation them Intel might have what you need but if you're looking for a chip that's good on pretty much all sides and gets the job done, with 2x battery life, especially for a thin and light form factor AMD is the way to go
yeah just use amd until you find it loud like a jet engine, there are reasons many still buy intel like me, still want amd defeat intel so i can get their cpu cheaper
No one sane buys a gaming laptop using it on battery. Be real.
@@kenn1ld676 You could also say that about people buying a laptop for Gaming.
@@iShredStreets what do you mean? Laptops are perfect choice for college students who tend to move a lot, I personally move a lot and don't have a stable place to stay in, somtimes at campus, somtimes at family place, sometimes renting.... Y'know having a gaming machine moving with me was a godsend. But yeah if u stick in one place busting cash on a gaming laptop is stupid.
@@cazmoken8181 I'm talking about the gentleman above me. Yes, for portability, it's perfect but some people are acting as if its the best choice for Gaming. We all know that a PC is a much better choice if you want to have a powerful Gaming machine.
Already made the choice a few days ago and I'm going with intel. Essentially what I need was a strong machine for gaming at home and photo/video editing for work while traveling around locations for the next 3 years or so. I'll never really need to use the laptop unplugged for for longer than a couple hours while in the train maybe. By tweaking some setting you can extend the battery life too if needed with normal/low use
That higher power draw will definitely require the coolers to run longer or noisier. Will get the AMD one this year.
I went with the 6800H because of the huge price gap. Got my 6800H laptop with a big discount so the 6800H was just the better deal.
God im confused asf about what should i get, the power in 12700h is overkill but the batterylife in 6800h is crazy for its performance
I am also tossing up! I use my laptop half as a laptop and half as a desktop replacement. Did you end up picking one?
@@rainbowstarks
I am also very confused, did you buy one of them
This is why AMD is king in efficiency. When their 4000 series laptops dropped, more and more companies wanted their chips in their laptops. Someone sold me a dell g15 with a ryzen 7 6800h paired with a 3050 for $450. Best deal ever.
How's it working out until now mate? Does it give a fair performance when unplugged with high computing tasks and low computing tasks? The battery life, in terms of issues n stuff....
Can't wait for the gaming test. Thank you much for the efforts you put into the videos. Easily the best laptop channel on planet earth.
Much appreciated!
Thank you for this graph 4:25(cpu performance in difference tdp) , i appreciate it a lot.
Usually i lock CPU's frequency to have cold and quiet laptop and now I AMD sound for me perfect
Due to lots of fancy features such as video decoder/encoder, AI accelerator, etc., lots of intel 12 gen CPUs suffer from crazy high uncore power (power that's not used by pure arithmetic units in CPU). Also, sometimes they can't enter standby mode during idle to save power due to some software bugs with dGPU. Therefore, 12 gen CPUs' battery life can vary hugely among optimized and less-optimized laptops. There are definitely laptops with Intel CPUs that still offer good battery life, but yeh, generally AMD does pull ahead.
Which is mainly the problem that AMD seems to have put more effort in improving (instead of the CPU architecture). Laptops are just very difficult to assess properly before purchasing.
Thanks bro waiting for this video for more than 2 weeks but no you tuber uploaded this comparison , really very thank you for this video❤️
Most welcome 😊
I believe that when buying a laptop, not a desktop, it's more important the performance per watt than comparing only performance in an ideal case scenario with water cooling. That's why I already bought a laptop with 6800H.
The temps and power scaling were great. Both CPU's are good. Seems to be a fair trade off in overall performance vs power efficiency. The intel CPU is faster and more computing power. But AMD has better power and battery efficiency, which can have additional quality of life benefits. All laptops suffer thermal throttling. Will depend on the cooling of each setup. Also the Value Equation. Just depends which models are available, and how affordable, at the time. I'm looking for a new computer. Appreciate the detailed comparison and reviews. Thanks for all your hard work Jarrod. 👍
The battery test looks wrong. Did you use the same video? AV1 Decoding can use a lot more battery, if you used something different / weren't logged into youtube with av1 setting set to be preferred and one used a different codec then that would explain the results. Also some browsers especially older versions dont have av1 hw decoding so even if the gpu supports it those old browsers will use software which would also explain such a huge difference
It's a pattern, check out his old videos since
Ryzen 4000 vs Intel 10th gen
- Ryzen way better battery life and performance
Ryzen 5000 vs Intel 11th gen
- Ryzen way better battery life but similar performance
Ryzen 5000/6000 vs Intel 12th gen
- Ryzen way better battery life but 15% lower performance.
And as far as I know the 6800H's iGPU, 680M based on RDNA2 also supports hardware AV1 decoding.
Everything is set up the same for both.
@@DeepteshLovesTECH The iGPU doesn't matter, both laptops JT tested have a RTX 3080 which has AV1 HW Decoding already.
Great video! If you could make one comparing the Ryzen 7 5800h and the Ryzen 7 6800h that would be amazing!
Super head to head comparison, very well done. Intel has done good with the hybrid chips and it the right choice for raw power provided it gets the power it wants. Amd efficiency is still great and better for mobility at the cost of very high performance. I'm the end the user has to decide on priorities and chose accordingly. Thanks for the very informative video
well said
Also, I need to mention that Intel has better software support & for devs overall. Though, AMD is already catching up to a very useable state.
@@frostilver how so
@@chriswright8074 He can't reply, lol 😂😂
The battery results are surprising. Could intel results get better as software gets optimized for the E-cores?
Jarrod your end screen video is wrong from what you are saying ☺️ just saying!
Amazing video again!
It'll update when the next video is out. I mention it at 12:45
@@JarrodsTech hahaha i missed that part lol! Guess i am early
Yep it's intentional, I mention after it that if you're seeing the end then the game test video isn't out yet. I'm going to cut off that bit in the RUclips editor once the second video is up and change the link. Best I can do until it's up
Thanks for the comparison. Gaming, video editing, and compilation always need raw performance x # of cores, it’s just physics, efficiency doesn’t help there. The question is, where is the balance. I have a Surface Pro 8, battery life sucks, 6 hours max no matter what I do. I used to use AMD 5700G, and I thought that was perfect for me, 8c/16t is good enough for my workflow, and integrated GPU is powerful enough to play LoL, maybe some CS:Go and that’s it. I ain’t no competitive so it’s fine but AMD 5700g is not a mobile chip. And I always want to have a tablet without carrying extra device. So if a Surface Pro 8 can last at least 10 hours, give it at least 2 more cores to 6c/12t, I can hook up my eGPU when I work and game. Then take it with me to travel as tablet and lightweight laptop, that’s 100% perfect balance for me because when I use it as mobile, I don’t game and I don’t do crazy stuff, who would with just a 13” screen right? Well at least I would not.
I'm more interested in how the different laptops work in much more realistic use case scenarios for a laptop. I'm talking going to an Airbnb or hotel, and doing some gaming when you have a little downtime. So therefore no liquid cooling available. Still it's pretty obvious from the information you've given here that the AMD would probably be better in this type of scenario, whereas as using it as a desktop replacement, I think the intel definitely is the better option
Wow! I just asked this specific question on your last post. Talk about an in depth analysis! Thank you soo much Jarrod!!
Quick question. I heard that the new DDR5 memory eliminates the need for 2 separate RAM modules to take advantage of the dual channel. So, I guess the DDR5 memory can act as dual channel with a single stick of memory?
True. Instead of using a single 64-bit bus in DDR4, two separate 32-buses are used in DDR5; therefore, the difference between using a single-channel config and the dual-channel is less than before. Other than having more bandwidth available to the CPU in the dual-channel configuration, there's not much to lose in single-channel configs.
He literally made a specific video comparing single slot DDR5 vs dual slots DDR5. This was a couple of months ago. Check it out.
@@TheMacco26 and what is the conclusion ?
@@cryonim You can live with DDR5 single slot better than single DDR4 slot. still you can expect a downgrade without going dual slots. I don't remember of how much. You better check the video for that. So DDR5 is in a better shape than DDR4 but still improvable with dual slots.
@@TheMacco26 thx
I wonder if some deep dive power tuning could be done to increase battery life on the intel in power saving mode. maybe even some undervolting.
There's enough performance on the table that you don't need much of the CPU for basic tasks. Would be great to get 6-8 on battery for basic email/browsing/excel stuff (work) and then plug it in and get the huge performance boost.
Exactly what i am thinking right now. Intel is giving more cores and less temps. How can i leave this opportunity!
That's a lot of work, Jarrod! Intel will have to improve in battery life department, with AMD and Apple chips being so much more efficient now. Too bad some manufacturers continue to ignore AMD chips for thin and light machines (looking at you, Dell XPS). I hope it will change with the upcoming USB4-enabled laptops.
Finally a full range power scalling comparison, great content m8!
I have doubt for CPU power power limit for AMD as 6800H doesn’t seem to be able to use 80W if at all? The scaling for power limit is really weird. But you have done great video as always, well done
Probably because the intel version uses liquid metal, while amd uses thermal paste. If you check the temperature, intel only reaches 60c on 80w while amd reaches 80c
This was really interesting. I've got both an Asus X13 (5900HS) and a Z13 (i7), and since both are amenable to actually being used as mobile devices, I find myself continually wishing the Z13 had AMD internals. Z13 battery life is just atrocious, and the "maximum power" scenario just doesn't materialize for me in this form factor.
Amazing job man! Still I’m truly convinced AMD is doing a grate job and obtains fairly close results with less specs.
My question is How Ryzen 5800 compares to 12° Intel gen. In my country we don't have the New amd
Whoever buys intel now, for mid budgets gotta be a fool, if he just wants that mere 16% improvement lol..
Lol, are you gonna build google, why pay more for that 16%
ok just a few hours ago I was just looking for this and here it is you're insane dude
Seeing these result, I'm now interested how their U (or P for Intel) series compare
What would be interesting is to do the performance test controlled for total power consumption - adjust TDP separately such that power draw at the wall was equal and see who comes out ahead.
For me between 'a tad extra performance and excellent battery life/efficiency '
I will go for efficiency
I’m shocked at the battery life between Amd and Intel
and i am shocked at the performance difference
If you want the battery to do much then go with the apple, it's a better alternative too , or that Asus x flow series is also great and ryzen is better than Intel here as said
@@kenancoskun1735 14%? Nah, not significant
@@Mezthecreator lol
I have been observing your channel for some time and I see you've got a very substantive knowledge about laptops. I hope you could give me some advice or opinions that would help me settle this down for good.
Shortly before the New Year's Eve I managed to get a Legion 5 2021 with 5800H, 3060, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 1080p 165Hz panel for 1023 euros off of Spanish Amazon, with VAT difference and shipping included. In my country such configuration still costs a whopping 1280 euros or even more, and local deals are a f00k!ng joke. Availability of Legion 5 2022 is very scarce, with prices starting at 1280 euros for the same specs expect i5 12500H CPU, 1385 euros for i7 12700H CPU, and 1406 euros for R7 6800H (!).
While I can return my "old" Legion 5 within 30 days, I'm still looking for some interesting deals for 2022 laptops, preferably with Intel's CPU. During Black Week there was a L5 2022 with i7 12700H and 3070 (probably Ti) for only 1300 euros in one of the German online shops. The same configuration was offered by the Swiss Lenovo store for only 1100 euros or so. I don't need anything more powerful than 3060. In fact, a 3050/Ti would suffice me, but the regular price for it is so pricey that adding a bit more money for a 3060 on sale is a more wise option. And so far I haven't seen any good deal for a laptop with 12th gen Intel and 3060 :(.
Hey Jarrod, just got into gaming laptops and your channel is a goldmine !! What did you use to limit tdp for 6800h, I read that you cannot undervolt this boi, and I'm looking for the best alternatives to limit the temperature spikes. What tools / tdp values would you suggest for this cpu ?
As someone sensitive to fan noise (I use open-back headphones) I'd probably take an AMD machine, although I can wait before upgrading so I'll probably hold off until RTX4000/RX7000 launches to see if/how much is it worth waiting for the next generation.
A good review with lots of useful information. I would love to see an updated test using a more common setup, sans liquid cooling. By using the XMG/Liquid setup, this was more of an XMG Intel vs XMG Ryzen test than a 12700h vs 6800h test. I understand the desire to rule out thermal limits, but since this option isn't available to the overwhelming majority of us, it may not have the same impact.
I'm on the verge of buying a Legion 5 Pro (based largely on your Best of Laptop video). I'm going AMD 6900hx over 12700h. Both are priced identically and share the same specs other than the cpu. I've yet to see a direct comparison but based on a lot of your videos, and some others, I'm assuming that:
1. The 6900hx will perform slightly better than the 6800h. (based on some of your other videos...thanks)
2. The AMD will perform much better than the Intel when on battery. (also based on some of your other videos..thx)
3. The Intel is more likely to heat throttle when not hooked up to a liquid cooler.
4. The laptop will be cooler to the touch and, therefore, more pleasant to use.
These are assumptions, albeit educated ones. They are also the real-world considerations many will prioritize over an idealized benchmark comparison. As a subscriber and regular viewer, I'd love to see a video to confirm that.
Thanks for all of the great videos. Please keep them coming.
Thank you for putting the laptop battery life info so early in the video! It was definitely the biggest thing in AMD's favor and it's usually omitted until the end when it's arguably the most important aspect of any laptop.
At the same time you're probably not looking at these types of laptops for battery life though.
A 6XXX U CPU from AMD would make more sense for that purpose (and Intel has nothing on offer AFAIK in that segment).
@@MLWJ1993 I disagree. The notion that a gaming laptop should be expected to have poor battery life is something that should be abolished. It used to be like that, but you shouldn't omit the fact that one product gets double the 'ON-time' vs it's competitor and ignore that information when buying a machine.
The idea that you get great battery life in a gaming machine should be seen as a huge win.
@@imglidinhere but this isn't "great battery life" for gaming & for multimedia you can do much better than 10hrs, so the 6xxxU series would make more sense there since it offers the majority of the gaming performance anyway (you're GPU bound 90% of the time)!
@@MLWJ1993 10 hours is phenomenal for a laptop with a freakin mobile 3080 Ti!
This kind of videos really show what normal user will concern.
If there is any chance, can you shows the GPUs performance with different power consumption(100w,120w,145w,175w)
been looking at the gigabyte aero 5 xe4 laptop with a 12700h as my next laptop, and this makes me feel more confident in going for that laptop. just waiting for it to go on sale so i can get it at a more affordable price
I simply went with an AMD , cause my priority was a longer battery life , and besides it is not that AMD is too slow compared to intel .So , a no brainer for me .
you are a no brain er. lol
How is the 6800h battery lasting much more, what was the point of intel e cores then? if they are drawing so much power
Area efficient to increase core count
I'm happy to see AMD not falling for the "more power draw hypetrain", despite knowing the fact their 6000 series cannot keep a fancy #1 place in benchmarking scores. Yet, they continued to maintain the high battery efficiency, especially important for a device that is meant to be "portable", the laptops
AMD's Ryzen 4000 series CPU's was a huge eye opener to me when I first discovered Jarrod's RUclips channel
Jarrod did multiples of laptops battery tests for 2020 laptops, with Ryzen 4000 series CPU's and Intel 10th gen series CPU's. Majority of AMD CPU based laptops easily surpass their Intel CPU counterpart
Laptops don't actually drain your battery empty, like a leaky pipe. It's Intel CPU's with their unique characteristic of not providing decent power efficiency for whatever reason
bruhh..i got my 4800h thanks to jarrod.. thank you jarrod..
do you recommend windows 11 for AMD 6000s cpus as you recommended for 12 gen. intel cpus?
as a person who games casually, I'd rather pick amd just because of the battery. 14% faster in average just doesn't enough.
Agree expecially for singleplayer games which wont give huge benefits due to gpu bottleneck. In esport games it is completely different story because most esport games are cpu bottleneck scenario
Just found your videos and you do a phenomnal job with them, very helpful
So if you need serious power, you definitely want the i7-12700H. The only reason to go for AMD is if you care about battery life basically (which can be important, but i think most people use their laptop at home 90% of the time, or at work where they can have it plugged in anyway).
which one did you end up getting?
@@Stardomplay intel, and I don't regret it. I got the 13th gen tho
@@maxjames00077 nice
QUESTION: So the 12700H works at 45W and can go higher... But how high can it go (W)? If CPU and GPU are both asking for power, which one has priority? How much amount of (W) can they share at top performance?
I've bought a new laptop (the box is still unopened). My laptop:
MSI Raider GE76 12UGS
12700H
3070ti (150W)
32 RAM 4800 DDR5
1TB SSD
17.3 inches 1440p 240hz
Hmm i think in AMD case, it's extra power will be routed to the gpu
If you want to play PS3 games on your PC with RPCS3, Intel 12th gen is a better choice - as recommended by the developer. For emulator, CPU is more important than GPU. I can run The Last of Us at full speed with 12700H.
I have core I9 12900H LAPTOP wanna play god of war 3 in RPCS3 what do you think about that?
Just what I was looking for. You have answered it. Thanks
My biggest worry about CPUs is definitely the temperatures.
Thats why i buy Intel, handles the temperature better.
I think u worry too much. They are meant to work in high temps for long periods. They are getting tested in these conditions
@@randy89555 I think you're right, good fans and good PC case will do the trick.
Thank you!
Thanks again for giving us quality content that can't be found anyplace else.
A middle schooler can do the same job.
@Ranav Singh He has obviously done something right to get the laptops for "FREE" and make people like you watch his content. It's a skill in my opinion.
@@GrEeCe_MnKy do it urself then
@@mamaloni635 lmao I've got better things to do which utilizes actual brain power ✌️
@@GrEeCe_MnKy Maybe, but no one else is actually doing it, which was my point.
Excellent video Jarrod. Absolutely nailed it.
I am planning to buy a laptop and a bit confused between ryzen 7 6800h (vivobook pro 15 oled) vs ryzen 9 5900hx (rog 9 strix g15 2022). My work is usually around an intermediate level video editing, designing and am planning to learn after effects now as well. Could you please point me to a right direction?
1:50 the most important test
So, essentially, everything is the same as it was since Ryzen laptops came out. Battery Life for Ryzen, Total Performance for Intel.
I find something odd with the just 5 hours of youtube playback. What power settings did you use? I just used my 12700h laptop (17 inch) for about 4 hours and a bit and got to just below 50% battery (in bed, I use less than 50% brightness as I don't need more) and use Ubuntu (22.04) in lower power mode as that is more than enough for browsing with my 100+ tabs. I think there is a power management problem there, Windows should go to the lowest power needed for that task.
Screen set to 200 nits. Screen brightness was different between AMD and Intel models, but Intel was lower at 57% (71% for AMD). In my test optimus was on. Lowest performance mode, RUclips playback at 720p. No RGB on the laptop.
Hey Jarrod don’t know if you’ll see this but in hardware unboxed’s video on the i7 12700h and 6800h, both score very similarly in the decompression benchmark he did in 7 zip(mb/s) why could it be that you’re getting results that show the 12700h being slower than the 6800h?
Next Core I9 12900h vs ryzen 9 6900h please.
Would be useful to check the average clockspeeds while you were doing that power scaling to see if there's any headroom left on the i7 beyond 120W.
That AMD looks almost completely tapped out as low as 55-60W. They really need to consider a 12 or 16 core option to compete with these mobile Intels, this gen is efficient enough to get a really good benefit out of 65-80W range
Personally i'll take the ryzen even though I'm an intel guy on an intel gaming laptop because that battery life difference is massive and i do light gaming but when I'm unplugged I'm always doing work and productivity and need battery life.
Nice work, though I think the title is misleading, this is a comparison of best gaming laptops, I don't see myself buying a 15" beast laptop for work.
Intel is greater than amd when power isn't a problem. Intel is the best at scaling high power compared to AMD which somehow didn't do well above 45 watt. However, on battery, mobile situation when plugged in charger isn't an option. AMD is shining here due well optimization on lower watt compared to Intel.
So yes, if you're looking desktop replacement, but mobile enough than Desktop. Intel is an option. If you're mobile person that laptop are rarely placed on same place. AMD is your choice
gaming laptops are rarely ever ran on battery. Because if you do run it on battery you don't need the performance anyway because the gpu will be throttled.
So no, if you are buying a 'gaming' or performance heavy laptop, AMD isn't a good choice. And if you aren't buying it for performance then you don't even have a debate between 6800H or 12700H as they are quite expensive.
@@cryonim It is not "laptop" but desktop with UPS.
@@cryonim not really, i’m using an asus zephyrus G15 (5900HS and rtx 3060), and the 10 hours of battery life in this laptop is AMAZING as i don’t need to find wall socket while doing some light-moderate task. And because of the lower power requirement they don’t need much cooling thus less copper and less weight so i can brought it everywhere on the go while also able to play AAA games when traveling (plugged). If i wanted to play with much more power i can play at home using a desktop not a “laptop” lol.
What I learnt from this video is the i7-12700H is 14% faster overall at a ridiculous 80W which most laptops cannot sustain like cheaper mainstream options, while, the 6800H model provided 100% better battery life.
This is from Ryzen 6000 which is basically Ryzen 5000 with a node shrink.
Super useful as always!!
But I'd like to see After Effects scores :)
Thanks a lot! Excited to see that gaming comparison!!!
i will choose intel because i always connect my laptop with charger in class.
I would be worried about fan noise tbh
@@petitpanierdosier3206 I don't think it's a big problem. My class is near the school sport field, so it'll always be noisy. But if it's in the library then yeah it's problem, but not to the point that i got kicked out just because I'm noisy. 😀
Do you compile or extract in class? Lmao
Jarrods so basically I need a new laptop for Autocad, rendering and simulate. Should I stay with AMD and is the integrated graphics enough to do the job?
ryzen is a nice cpu for manufacturing cheap gaming laptops,lower tier gpu can go through amd igpu without too much loss in fps due to very good igpu
also ryzen laptop is cheaper
check out the prices for 6000 series AMD laptops not that cheap....maybe cheaper than Intel but u can do more with the latter
@@danman1287 wayyyyy cheaper here,150$ cheaper,already got 16gb ddr5 ,1tb ssd,intel only 16gb ddr4 and 512gb ssd
@@pham3383 16gb ram there goes the discount... N slower processor
@@danman1287 not sure if its slower tho,hardly ever a laptop surpass a 45w tdp+ and maxing out the gpu,beside desktop replacement,which is impractical for bringing a 3kg laptop+1kg charger
@@pham3383 your laptop is slower than my origin eon 15x 3950x n I bought that cheap. Good luck overpaying sucker. I don't care about the size Bec unlike u I earn with my laptop. People who earn don't buy Ryzen 6000 laptops
ryzen 6000 H series doesn't make sense to me they should've only launched U series and then 7000
Hi Jarrod, Really liked your video! The tests are very interesting! While I do agree with the Idea laptops do allow for higher power limits people don't generally use liquid cooling that much with their laptops.
It would therefor be essential when buying a laptop to consider the cooling performance and fan noise of a laptop. In that light it would be interesting to gauge the performance of these laptops while using a normal laptop cooler and see how the CPUs handle the heat. But as every laptop has a different cooler I get why you wanted to take it out of the equation. But I'm under the impression this would favour intel a bit as that cpu uses the most power...
They might come with different paste
Why didn't you test using the HX series intel? Wouldn't that be the best cpu currently?
Great testing, can you make a simular for 12700H and 7840H/HS?
thank you for the honest review. I am an AMD Fanboy if it comes to Desktop Workstation. So it was always hard to look elsewhere, when buying a Laptop. But to make it short, you are one of the few reviewer who speak about the typical scenario of a gaming or creator Laptop. If i work with the laptop as an artist, i don't care much about how fast the battery will run low, because in this case the laptop will always be on power supply. It may be that the 6800h will be better for Ultrabook, ultra mobile low power devices, but on Power machines, it's the pure performance what counts. Intel made a very good hit with the 12th gen notebooks cpu's no doubts. With a nice 3080 it rocks, no matter what i throw at.
Hello Jarrod, great video as always with so many details! With AMD 6000series and Intel 12th gen , the number of cores and threads is not similar like in the past. In this video for example AMD had 8/16 and Intel 14/20. Is this type of comparison still fair now? Since Intel has more cores and more threads. I have a Legion with 4600H and RTX2060 and i plan to upgrade every two generations of CPU and GPU. I have no idea what to use now when the next 4000series RTX is available. Keep up the good work!
These processors are what is currently available. What ultimately matters is the final performance in whatever task you are interested in. Another important metric is price. You either choose the best possible performance in a given form factor, or you choose the best performance in the price range you are interested in. The number of cores doesn't really matter, because you are simply buying what is available.
@@PeterKoperdan and more important, 6800H laptops have the same price as i5 12500H ones, or maybe even cheaper. The biggest drawback here is that AMD depends on TSMC to manufacture their CPUs, which leads to limited availability as TSMC has so many other clients (especially Apple)
the fact that the AMD CPU is 2 years old by now it impressive by itself.
I thought Intel could make it better speaking of the battery this time because of the efficiency cores.
Dude i love you, im so hyped.
i dont know if i should go for legion 5i Pro this year or legion 7 from last year with a 3080.
Anyone got me a tip? New legion 7 i supposed to be 2750 Euros with 3070ti on pre order, way too much!
Started watching your videos and loving them. I am mainly a laptop only gamer. Currently using a Asus Rog Strix g512, bought it on special. Has 240hrz/3ms screen, rtx 2070 8GB, bought it for $2000. I am not a pro gamer. I play random games, from minecraft to fallout 4 (modded) and others I randomly decide to play. I have been looking into a update on top range specs. I like to have a laptop that can handle current and future games. Would you be able to recommend a video that says which brand/component brands are best. I am tempted to go for the Asus Strix Scar 15. I mainly used Asus but looking at msi or gigabyte just not sure. Any advice would be great, Cheers and awesome videos.
Somethings weird about those battery results, id take it with a grain of salt, and say its an xmg thing. The zephyrus m16(intel) and g15(amd) are practically the same laptop too, yet the AMD only gets 1 or 2 hours better battery life. Not double.
Zephyrus m16 90wh battery, G15 only 73,92wh, and G15 still more efficient
@@rintond nope both 90wh google it
Looking ng forward to new AMD Advantage laptops in 2023 Ryzen mobile 7000 and Navi 7000GPU
Showing the power scaling was very useful here.
Can i go with 6800H over 12500H?
Both are on the Same Price Bracket