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Zeppelin and Sabbath did not share the same musical backgrounds. Although they both had their roots in blues and jazz, Sabbath also brought the "big band" sound and "swing" to the table, whereas Zeppelin did not. Zeppelin is still my favorite band though, and they brought all kinds of different musical styles to the table that Sabbath didn't. Too many to list.
I dont want to call him underrated, because theres legions of drummers that worship him to this day, but Ward never gets brought up in best drummer conversations. His fills are fast, and rarely repeat, even in single songs. He hits hard, and soft, with amazing bluesy/jazzy time feel. He must have blown people away back in the day. He's an amazing drummer, and an icon.
He is criminally underrated... I saw someone make a good point once why Ward's name isn't mentioned in the same breath as Bonham's...: Production quality...JHB's drums were meticulously recorded on Zep albums....Ward's always sounded like an afterthought. Maybe budget? Maybe producer?
@@kenzisdad02 depend the album . I think his sound is great and his playing wow, on technical ecstasy , never say die and heaven and hell. Sabotage, Master of reality are great to me
@@AndrewRooneyDrums So glad to hear as that one is brilliant. Bill beats the drums like they owe him money. Apparently he couldn't afford sticks so would grab broken sticks from other bands, turn them around and use them. Absolute legend.
To me bands nowadays play at 100MPH, push the distortion to the max, growl like beasts and they still do not sound half as heavy as Sabbath. They still do not understand that it is all about tone & dynamics.
Sabbath always had those strange jazzy and flamenco notes. Bass that actually is main instrument that drives song and allows vocal and guitar to do 2 independent soloing parties. And Bill Ward of course.
And yes what a surprise right? Even thought it’s 1970 and basically every drummer was being influenced by jazz drummers like Buddy Rich. Did this guy live under a rock? I mean yea you’re from Australia but come on Mr drum teacher
The reason Bill's drumming has such enduring influence is the deceiving amount of swing he injects into his drumming. He wasn't just chops and technique, but a jazzy swing touch which imparts an amazing yet hard to copy feel.
Bill Ward & Geezer Butler were an incredible rhythm section & neither one gets the credit he deserves. Early Black Sabbath albums are very bluesy & jazzy - a lot of swinging parts, but with a dark edge. They did use dynamics extremely well. Have fun in the rabbit hole. (BTW, when Ward left the band in the early 80s he was replaced, first, by Vinnie Appice - a very different, but also excellent drummer.)
Which brings to mind that great lyric so beautifully sung by Ella Fitzgerald: You ain't got a thing if you ain't got that swing. Words for musicians to live by hehe
Yes Mark. Real deal BAND rhythm section. My passion and favorite players are session players. But I love the individuality and character of band players
One of the best rhythm sections ever. As with Chris Squire, Terry "Geezer" Butler has his own distinct sound , in part because he tunes down. Sludgy, full massive sound and I always noticed that the band still sounded full, even without a rhythm or Keyboard player. Listen to Iommi when he solos, that heavy Blues based sound always overwhelmed like a hard rock Tsunami. Surprisingly good songs. Definately a personal Top ten band for me, both then AND now.
Rage Against the Machine was heavily influenced by Black Sabbath as were literally 1000s of other bands. Trust me Andrew, you've only begun to witness the tip of the God Almighty iceberg that is Black Sabbath!
literally any band that has heavy guitars. If you use a lot of distortion, have palm muted chugging riffs, downtune... it's all Sabbath and they were doing it 50 years ago!
FYI.....Those aren't props on the tips of Tony Iommi's fingers. Those are prosthetics...He lost the tips of a few of his fingers in an industrial accident while working during the early years of him being in bands. He almost quit for good but came up the the idea of taping those fake tips on the end of his fingers and learned a very unique way to still play. That unique style is the Birth Of Heavy Metal. No BS.
I truly believe he is the most influential guitarist in Rock of all time. It's always EVH vs Hendrix, Page, Clapton, etc. while completely ignoring the fact that a lot of guitarists don't even play lead. Who else invented a entire genre? Literally anyone who plays big heavy power chords from Nickleback (sorry) to the most extreme death metal owes it to Tony's missing fingertips.
It was the last day of his job and had to work a machine he wasn't familiar with as the normal guy had gone sick.think it involved sheet metal and the part that flattened it came down on his fingers and chopped the tips off.the rest Is history.
First and foremost, I'm a Bonzo, Zep fan, but I don't care who you are or what band you like, if you can't appreciate Bill Ward, then you know nothing about rhythmic greatness. You throw in the Riff Meister, Tony Iommi, Geezer on bass (and lyrics) with Ozzy on vocals, you're talking an epic, all-time great band.
I agree, Bonzo was awesome and did amazing things with his kit. But I always thought Billy Ward was ahead of his time. Zep will always be Zep, the makeup of Zep were masters of their craft, but different. BS also are masters of their craft but are in a different dimension from LZ. BW was an accomplished Jazz drummer, GB is a beast on bass, while being the whole rhythm guitar all with the bass, and TI taught hisself to play the guitar twice, then along came a bloke, OO who felt he had no talent, who compensated by his energetic antics. The rest is as they say history, I personally love Jack the Stripper/Fairies Wear Boots From that album. BW I feel was ahead of his time, and influenced many drummers that came after. Heavy metal bands that merge with a jazz percussionist, really lift the genre to another level by combining two very emotional types of music when done correctly. Two bands that come to mind are Mastadon, and progressive act The Mars Volta. BS will never be duplicated, but many have imitated, the evidence lies in borrowed or sampled music by other bands for over the last 50 years. Specifically from the music by the original lineup. Thank you BS, all of you!🤘
@@scotchancestry9103 Zep, Sabbath, Puple the unholy trinity. These three bands were my youth. Throw in Yes and Rush, those five bands have some of the best HOF musicians you could ever find. Bonzo, Ward, Paice, Bruford, and Peart, my top all time drummer's club.
@@Frankincensedjb123 Agreed, all that you mentioned are indeed masters of their craft. Who are worthy of respect for their heavily influential contributions to music. Sadly I would also add that todays popular artists are mostly cheap imitators and rip off artists.
Bonham and bill ward both hark from my area (West Midlands) Bonham was actually born 1/4 mile from my house in Redditch and they have erected a tribute statue in the town and give his house a blue plaque. Yes we are proud! Sabbath sound like many bands because they inspired each and every one of them! That post war depression sound inspired most of the bands that use guitars up until this day. And they are STILL doing it!!!! Truly genre creating guys, the thing is I feel they are still humble with it, I have seen Tony and Butch several times in my line of work and they are always a joy to talk to
Way back in the day. I saw these men in concert. Such energy. They would do a song, slight pause, and launch right into the next song. At one point Ozzy, Greezer, and Tony left the stage. Bill played the whole time. The crowd went wild! They are so very good. I was amazed that they could do this. TALENT..............
Bill ward was a jazz drummer before sabbath and even after, just like the early drummers of those years and has so much swing in his sabbath songs he plays. Just have to really listen and appreciate it. Hes not just a basher
Ward was an admirer of the big band era... seems his parents would have folks over every weekend and they would play the songs of that era ...Ward loved that music ... he broke into humming “ In he Mood “ during the interview
Sabbath's rhythm section is unrivaled imo. Bill Ward and Geezer Butler are two of the absolute GOATs. If you just count the number of top tier musicians who have claimed these two as primary inspirations is all you need to know of their talent.
These guys were approximately 21 years of age at the time give or take, there are so many bands with people in that age group but nobody was ever as good as these guys, lightning in a bottle. The Godfather’s of heavy metal, them and zeppelin
The live version of War Pigs (Paris 1970) is a drumming clinic! First blast beats I’ve ever seen… yes, Bill adds blast beats to War Pigs in that video haha legend!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums also just a heads up, Bill Ward definitely strays from the original track by just adding tons of extra notes and the lyrics are still being worked out it seems. There were a few version of the lyrics so it may sound different than the record but in my opinion it’s the best version 🔥
I never heard of a drum teacher that didn't know Bill Wards catalog. I was star struck when we went to the rock and roll hall of fame and some of his old gear was on display. LONG LIVE SABBATH!
Buddy, that's not rock and roll... THAT'S METAL! The first metal band ever. Every current day metal drummer that's blown your mind on your channel, does what they do because of this band. I love led zeppelin, the beatles, YES, the doors and a million blues guys, but I put black sabbath at the top of the list in terms of range of influence. 99% of metal fans would vouch for that.
Bill Ward is such a great guy! Met him a few times and he's so down to earth and even a little shy. As for amazing drum performances, I'd say some of his most underappreciated performances are: - Cornucopia - Spiral Architect - Johnny Blade - Wishing Well - Sweet Leaf (live 1980 w/ drum solo) - Ghost Train (Bill Ward's new band Day of Errors)
read his story. there was a time when he bummed change on la"s street corners for whiskey money. now he advocates for children, even writing childrens books, what a fine example of a human being that woke up and got better.....
The time has finally come. I was introduced to Black Sabbath (and solo Ozzy) at a really young age. Somewhere around 8 or 9 years old, so 1992-93, both of my divorced parents decided it was time to hear the classics. My dad played me the entirety of the Paranoid album (where both of these songs appear), and my mother went with the new (at the time) No More Tears album. Life was forever changed for me. Now we get to see you in this discovery! Enjoy it, my man!
The first Zeppelin and the first Sabbath album are very similar in vibe. Bill Ward doesn't really get the recognition he deserves, all the limelight of those years went to Bonham, but Bill Ward was a beast, and a great fkn sound!! War Pigs Paris 1970 , definitely one of his best performances ever.
Black Sabbath birthed 5 different genres of hard rock: Doom Metal, Thrash Metal, Progressive Metal, Black Metal, and Grunge. There is a popular saying amongst Guitarists that there are two types of riffs, Toni Iommi rifss, and copies of Iommi riffs.
1) I love that there is someone from Auckland doing a reaction channel on RUclips (Kia Ora from K Rd!), 2) Check out the song "Black Sabbath" for the moment Heavy Metal was invented. It has a very unique structure and very dramatic drumming for effect. Also Children of the Grave for an absolute monster rolling triplet thing he keeps up for the entire track, or The Wizard for "Oh my God that is the funkiest drumming I have ever heard in a rock song. Ever."
Very interesting to make the Rage Against the Machine connection as Brad Wilk from Rage has actually filled in for Bill Ward on the album "13" in more recent years. Obviously a huge inspiration of his.
Ozzy has two microphones taped together. Presumably one was for the live PA, and one for the recording. They would sometimes do this to avoid earth loops between the PA rig and the recording rig. Normally these days they would split each microphone feed with a transformer coupled splitter.
The album this comes from, Paranoid, is one of the absolute best albums of all time in any genre. Anyone who plays rock music should know this album front to back. Andrew, there's your homework! The whole thing of "two songs within a song" pretty much started right here.
I know there's often a preference for live recordings, but the studio tracks for this are simply amazing. The theme of it are the dangers horrors of heroin addiction, and the damaged society he sees around him. Plus, the dynamics are just incredible. Something that had never been put to vinyl before.
Please do more early Sabbath! Bill Ward is an all time great, also props for pointing out the fact that Ozzy was a really solid singer! Also the similarities between early Sabbath and Zep are cool because the two bands were close friends and came up at the same time. They used to go to eachother's rehearsals. Bonham once broke Bill Ward's drum set because he insisted on jumping in to play a Sabbath song, "Supernaut" with the band, and ended up smashing the set at a practice.
I saw an interview where Bill said this was his favorite song to play. Also, the lyrics are totally different than the studio version of this song. It’s possible this was videotaped before Paranoid (the album) was recorded.
I had the honor of seeing these master rockers back in the 1970's. What a show, non-STOP. Their show melted your brain. So good. Andrew they did not stop between songs. They would play the last note of the song and launch right in to the next one.
I mentioned that when I saw them they did not stop. At one point Oz, Tony, and Geezer left the stage. Bill continued to play. So much energy and effort, Good stuff. I enjoy your channel sir. I read a comment once that stated that these days Oz cannot string a sentence together. Yet, when he sings you can understand what he is saying. Great insights sir. Thank you.
Whenever I experience the brilliance of Bill Ward, I frequently get the impression that he is going to stand up, launch himself into the middle of his kit and start tearing the shit out of it. Instead, he sits there calmly and does the same. This band, is simply put genre defining.
There was and ever will be only be one Black Sabbath. There are 2 firsts for me when it comes to the band. When I was in high school (1971) I dropped acid for the first time and attended my first ever live concert and it was the one and only Black Sabbath. That was back in the day of festival seating so we were fortunate enough to land a seat about 30 feet in front of the stage. I was in awe the whole time to say the least. I couldn't get over how much larger than life the band seemed to be but then again I'm sure the drugs must have played a part in that perception. 🙂 Side note: the opening band were interesting too. It was a band called "Bloodrock" and their claim to fame was a song they did called D.O.A.
Bill Ward and John Bonnem grew up together and where friends from a very young age and would help each other set up drums long long before they were famous, along with the other members of black sabbath they grew up and went to school and knocked around with each other
In the 70s, when the power flower establishment reigned, Sabbath came up with a dark, climatic, terrifying and cruel sound. The sound was totally original, not derived from any other style, and based on jazz and pre-punk (even before that existed). This is perhaps also due to the strong city of origin of the Members. In Birmingham-UK, Sabbath soaked up the fury of those tough times. While Zeppelin invited you to climb a stairway to heaven with “Starway to Heaven”, Sabbath sent you to hell with a one-way ticket. No one has ever made music like Black Sabbath! I'm drummer in Brazil and I have a Bill Ward tattoo.
You say you can't hear crowd noise? I was at a Sabbath concert in ‘71. It was all about the volume. Between the loudness of the band and grass in the air, the crowd listened more than they do today.
This entire set is beyond cool. Seriously if you dig this song check out the rest of the set from this performance. Every song is raw and dynamic and the vibe is just simply that of a time that used to be in Rock/Metal music. Bill Ward grew up a Jazz drummer. It's why his drumming is so unique to heavy music because the dude could SWING.
You have to watch War Pigs from the same show, and he was influenced by jazz. He tells in one documentary that he wasn't a technical drummer and that he was following what Iome was doing on lead guitar
If you want to hear Sabbath playing jazz be sure to check out Wicked World from the live album Live At Last. Just go to 5.20 through to 7.50. It is a thing of beauty.
Because you liked this so much, check out the entire Paranoid album which includes Hand Of Doom. Lyrics are fairly easy to understand and this song is about shooting up on heroin. A classic album.
Bill Ward one of my drumming heroes always has been and always will be ... no one hits them harder than Bill ... soooo underrated and one of rock drummings icons
It's not just Bill Ward that was under rated . Example Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull). These virtuosos played for the love 💕 of expression The real musicians and listeners appreciate there contributions and awards mean nothing. Like critics hated progressive music (, Rolling Stone). Its the fans that count not critics. Bill Ward is a giant. Sabbath Rules
The perfect and most exact definition of Frankenstein Rock. This is solid gold and a complete masterpiece of rock music. This is a very valuable piece of Rick history.
If u want to hear some sick heavy drumming and even a straight jazz session from bill ward and the band that i bet you’ve NEVER heard before id recommend listening to the entire performance of their song wicked world from the live album (live at last)
I'm so glad you reacted to this Andrew. I think you can now understand why us old rockers are blessed to have witnessed this era. This is definitely a tune Yoyoka should cover as many people have asked. I loved your reaction to this and how Rage sound like Black sabbath (not the other way round). You missed out on so much being young my friend but its never too late to catch up and enjoy. Thank you.
Black Sabbath was initially a reaction against the "peace/love" hippie vibe of the late 60's, along with the MC5 and Blue Cheer; heavier and scary, a more honest reflection of the times. The lads in their prime in the very early 70's; Geezer Butler had said that people paid to see scary movies so they should write scary songs, the band name came from an old Bela Lugosi film (the band was called Earth before, a jazz/blues combo).
Bill Ward was an absolute monster. His technique (especially his incorporation of the snare) reminds me a lot of Buddy Miles, but with a looser feel overall. They both hit those skins within an inch of their lives though!
I saw them around this time, they were two hours late, I think cause Ozzy had passed out. Other than that really good, was the first "heavy" sound most of us had heard. My drummer friends loved Bill Ward.
Great video Andrew! Was hoping to see some Sabbath on here. Zeppelin and these guys did indeed know each other. Sabbath come from Birmingham England as did John Bonham and Robert Plant. They came up in the club scene before Zep and Sabbath made it big. There's an amusing story of Bill Ward banishing Bonham from using his drum kit because he kept breaking it hahah. Oh yeah Bonham was Tony Iommi's best man at his wedding. Look forward to seeing more Sabbath on your channel!
Listening to the end of your reaction I see you make comparisons to newer groups......Full reversal.....just about every band since black sabbath has licks and riffs and sound that come from and inspired by black sabbath.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Thanks for the Reply... For Kicks and Giggles Check out 2 songs from Black Sabbath doing and Elvis Tribute....Live in Paris....same show as your Hand of doom Video....Chuck Berry Tempo and Total Black Sabbath Power. Also a "Flower Power" song or extension at the end of "Symptom's of the Universe" Not at all what you'd expect from both. Keep on Streaming!!
Really loved the funky grooves of this song! It sounded funny when you said you might want to hear more of the band and go down the Sabbath rabbit hole.... considering a short time later you are swimming in that hole and lovin' every minute of it! 😀
You have to get more into sabbath and their work literally one of the greatest bands to ever live if not the one!! The way they changed as album’s progressed will blow ur mind
Listen to the song “Black Sabbath” which is the first song on the first album. Then listen to “Dirty Women” which is the last song on the last studio album Ozzy did. Once you’ve done that, you’ll dive into everything in between naturally. 😉
Ward has sighted Krupa, Rich, Bellson as some of his first influences so he isn't a stranger to jazz. As for the temp and feel change up half away before coming back to original riff. That was the Sabbath formula on their early albums. All of them were in their early 30s when this was recorded.
Very strong rhythm section. The bassist plays relatively closer to the neck, so there is a reduced amount of higher harmonic frequencies in the overall sound. It goes so well with that huge sound of bass drum. It sounds like thunder.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Geezer never played bass until joining Sabbath he was a guitarist and why he plays it more like a 4 string lead guitar than a actual bass.
If you haven’t already brother watch the war pigs version live! Same show I believe, but the drumming is absolutely fantastic in it and a lot of cool clips of Bill
This version stops, right where Rat Salad gets good. It's sad that you've not revisited Rat Salad since, as it is the bridge between Zep and Sab. Rat Salad is Sabbath's Moby Dick. It's a vehicle for the drummer's signature solo. 🤘🧙♂️🤘 Rich the Ancient Metal Beast
I love this version, it must be early in the songs creation as Ozzie is singing different lyrics to the recorded version. Possibly one of the first times they played it live. ❤️ Black Sabbath
"Takes me back to a time when I wasn't alive"......LOL! I can relate, I was 4-5 years old when this was recorded. I love BLack Sabbath. Ever since the first time I heard them and bought their LP vinyls , awesome to listen to.
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Zeppelin and Sabbath did not share the same musical backgrounds. Although they both had their roots in blues and jazz, Sabbath also brought the "big band" sound and "swing" to the table, whereas Zeppelin did not. Zeppelin is still my favorite band though, and they brought all kinds of different musical styles to the table that Sabbath didn't. Too many to list.
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I dont want to call him underrated, because theres legions of drummers that worship him to this day, but Ward never gets brought up in best drummer conversations. His fills are fast, and rarely repeat, even in single songs. He hits hard, and soft, with amazing bluesy/jazzy time feel. He must have blown people away back in the day. He's an amazing drummer, and an icon.
Those that know... KNOW
He is criminally underrated...
I saw someone make a good point once why Ward's name isn't mentioned in the same breath as Bonham's...: Production quality...JHB's drums were meticulously recorded on Zep albums....Ward's always sounded like an afterthought. Maybe budget? Maybe producer?
@@kenzisdad02 definitely a budget issue on their first album. Recorded very quickly
@@kenzisdad02 depend the album .
I think his sound is great and his playing wow, on technical ecstasy , never say die and heaven and hell.
Sabotage, Master of reality are great to me
He is definitely underappreciated. He contributed to progression in hard rock equal to Moon, Bonham, Paice, etc., etc.
Ward/Butler were an absolute juggernaut of a rhythm section. Often imitated but never equalled.
NEVER EQUALED,UNTIL SABBATH CAME ALONG,IT WAS JUST SO MUCH NOISE,SABBATH STANDS ALONE IN METAL
Jazz Rhythm Section
Bill Ward, one of his greatest performances is definitely War Pigs Paris 1970.
I will definitely do that one :)
Finesse amid the brutality, Bill really was one of a kind.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums you won’t be disappointed my friend
@@AndrewRooneyDrums So glad to hear as that one is brilliant. Bill beats the drums like they owe him money. Apparently he couldn't afford sticks so would grab broken sticks from other bands, turn them around and use them. Absolute legend.
Absolutely right!! Bill is a freaking monster on that song 👍🏻👍🏻
Quite possibly the best quartet that ever existed, creating entire genres with each song they released.
Incredible Kevin
I’ve heard it said all of metal is just footnotes to Sabbath. I was obsessed with them when I came of age.
Led zepplin
Floyd
@@chetp8423 same. They are literally the reason I learned guitar, bass and drums.
To me bands nowadays play at 100MPH, push the distortion to the max, growl like beasts and they still do not sound half as heavy as Sabbath. They still do not understand that it is all about tone & dynamics.
No dark without the light.
It didn't hurt that they cared about the actual music as apposed to the cookie cutter crap they put out today
Yes. Iommi was not that distorted like these days. It was the tone and feel that made it heavy.
Sabbath always had those strange jazzy and flamenco notes. Bass that actually is main instrument that drives song and allows vocal and guitar to do 2 independent soloing parties.
And Bill Ward of course.
They were arguably the most significant Doom metal pioneers in metal history.
Sabbath was so ahead of their time and really are the Godfathers of Modern Metal. This song is epic.
"how jazzy the kit sounded"
that's just Bill Ward's playing. He is Jazzy. One of the secret ingredients of Sabbath.
Total surprise for me
@@AndrewRooneyDrums wait until you hear him sneak a Buddy Rich style, Big Band fill every now and again.
And yes what a surprise right? Even thought it’s 1970 and basically every drummer was being influenced by jazz drummers like Buddy Rich. Did this guy live under a rock? I mean yea you’re from Australia but come on Mr drum teacher
sabbath forever,so underated listening to them for 45 years ,till the day i die .bill ward shit hot drummer
Unbelievable Gareth
The reason Bill's drumming has such enduring influence is the deceiving amount of swing he injects into his drumming. He wasn't just chops and technique, but a jazzy swing touch which imparts an amazing yet hard to copy feel.
I 100% agree with you
Bill Ward & Geezer Butler were an incredible rhythm section & neither one gets the credit he deserves. Early Black Sabbath albums are very bluesy & jazzy - a lot of swinging parts, but with a dark edge. They did use dynamics extremely well. Have fun in the rabbit hole. (BTW, when Ward left the band in the early 80s he was replaced, first, by Vinnie Appice - a very different, but also excellent drummer.)
Which brings to mind that great lyric so beautifully sung by Ella Fitzgerald: You ain't got a thing if you ain't got that swing. Words for musicians to live by hehe
Yes Mark. Real deal BAND rhythm section.
My passion and favorite players are session players. But I love the individuality and character of band players
Correct
One of the best rhythm sections ever. As with Chris Squire, Terry "Geezer" Butler has his own distinct sound , in part because he tunes down. Sludgy, full massive sound and I always noticed that the band still sounded full, even without a rhythm or Keyboard player.
Listen to Iommi when he solos, that heavy Blues based sound always overwhelmed like a hard rock Tsunami. Surprisingly good songs. Definately a personal Top ten band for me, both then AND now.
@@graemeyetts3465 Love it Graeme
The drum groove in the middle of Supernaut is imo one of the best beats ever. I loved Bill ward since i heard live at last.
I'm totally blown away. More on the way
Supernaut was John Bonham’s favorite
@@rickandgen I think Frank Zappa said supernaut is the heaviest song he has heard.
@@SamwaisGanza yes, he did say that.
Rage Against the Machine was heavily influenced by Black Sabbath as were literally 1000s of other bands. Trust me Andrew, you've only begun to witness the tip of the God Almighty iceberg that is Black Sabbath!
Hundreds of Bands were influenced by Sabbath over the past 50+ yrs !!! : D
literally any band that has heavy guitars. If you use a lot of distortion, have palm muted chugging riffs, downtune... it's all Sabbath and they were doing it 50 years ago!
Mr Crim. You are fully on the money. 😎
I believe you Chris!
YES!... I am JEALOUS of Andrew, like you said he gets to go down the Sabbath "Rabbit Hole", it Only Happens ONCE .☝️ ☹️
FYI.....Those aren't props on the tips of Tony Iommi's fingers. Those are prosthetics...He lost the tips of a few of his fingers in an industrial accident while working during the early years of him being in bands. He almost quit for good but came up the the idea of taping those fake tips on the end of his fingers and learned a very unique way to still play. That unique style is the Birth Of Heavy Metal. No BS.
Holy. S**t.
That's nuts Brian
And so came the creation of light gauge strings and detuning.
I truly believe he is the most influential guitarist in Rock of all time. It's always EVH vs Hendrix, Page, Clapton, etc. while completely ignoring the fact that a lot of guitarists don't even play lead. Who else invented a entire genre? Literally anyone who plays big heavy power chords from Nickleback (sorry) to the most extreme death metal owes it to Tony's missing fingertips.
@@bamzz7801 detuning came on Master of reality
It was the last day of his job and had to work a machine he wasn't familiar with as the normal guy had gone sick.think it involved sheet metal and the part that flattened it came down on his fingers and chopped the tips off.the rest Is history.
They were like just 22 years old here, amazing
First and foremost, I'm a Bonzo, Zep fan, but I don't care who you are or what band you like, if you can't appreciate Bill Ward, then you know nothing about rhythmic greatness. You throw in the Riff Meister, Tony Iommi, Geezer on bass (and lyrics) with Ozzy on vocals, you're talking an epic, all-time great band.
100%!
I agree, Bonzo was awesome and did amazing things with his kit. But I always thought Billy Ward was ahead of his time. Zep will always be Zep, the makeup of Zep were masters of their craft, but different. BS also are masters of their craft but are in a different dimension from LZ. BW was an accomplished Jazz drummer, GB is a beast on bass, while being the whole rhythm guitar all with the bass, and TI taught hisself to play the guitar twice, then along came a bloke, OO who felt he had no talent, who compensated by his energetic antics. The rest is as they say history, I personally love Jack the Stripper/Fairies Wear Boots From that album. BW I feel was ahead of his time, and influenced many drummers that came after. Heavy metal bands that merge with a jazz percussionist, really lift the genre to another level by combining two very emotional types of music when done correctly. Two bands that come to mind are Mastadon, and progressive act The Mars Volta. BS will never be duplicated, but many have imitated, the evidence lies in borrowed or sampled music by other bands for over the last 50 years. Specifically from the music by the original lineup. Thank you BS, all of you!🤘
@@scotchancestry9103 Zep, Sabbath, Puple the unholy trinity. These three bands were my youth. Throw in Yes and Rush, those five bands have some of the best HOF musicians you could ever find. Bonzo, Ward, Paice, Bruford, and Peart, my top all time drummer's club.
@@Frankincensedjb123 Agreed, all that you mentioned are indeed masters of their craft. Who are worthy of respect for their heavily influential contributions to music. Sadly I would also add that todays popular artists are mostly cheap imitators and rip off artists.
I always thought of Sabbath as the Roman gods and Zep as the greek gods. A lot in common, a lot different, but true greatness for both nonetheless
Bonham and bill ward both hark from my area (West Midlands) Bonham was actually born 1/4 mile from my house in Redditch and they have erected a tribute statue in the town and give his house a blue plaque. Yes we are proud!
Sabbath sound like many bands because they inspired each and every one of them!
That post war depression sound inspired most of the bands that use guitars up until this day. And they are STILL doing it!!!!
Truly genre creating guys, the thing is I feel they are still humble with it, I have seen Tony and Butch several times in my line of work and they are always a joy to talk to
Amazing and insightful comments 🙏
Greatest rhythm section in heavy metal. Ward and Butler are just untouchable.
Fantastic rhythm section
War Pigs live in Paris will make you elevate Bill Ward to a whole new level of appreciation. You won’t regret it. Watch it ASAP, matey.
I will Robert!
+1
Way back in the day. I saw these men in concert. Such energy. They would do a song, slight pause, and launch right into the next song. At one point Ozzy, Greezer, and Tony left the stage. Bill played the whole time. The crowd went wild! They are so very good. I was amazed that they could do this. TALENT..............
Incredible Mike!
Thanks for sharing
Bill ward was a jazz drummer before sabbath and even after, just like the early drummers of those years and has so much swing in his sabbath songs he plays. Just have to really listen and appreciate it. Hes not just a basher
Totally! Great player with a load of facility
Ward was an admirer of the big band era... seems his parents would have folks over every weekend and they would play the songs of that era ...Ward loved that music ... he broke into humming “ In he Mood “ during the interview
Everything else reminds you of Sabbath, not the other way round.
Like I said best reaction ever! Someone really gets it. 👍🍀
Sabbath's rhythm section is unrivaled imo. Bill Ward and Geezer Butler are two of the absolute GOATs. If you just count the number of top tier musicians who have claimed these two as primary inspirations is all you need to know of their talent.
Love it! I actually get what your saying? Make perfect sense. 👍🍀
These guys were approximately 21 years of age at the time give or take, there are so many bands with people in that age group but nobody was ever as good as these guys, lightning in a bottle. The Godfather’s of heavy metal, them and zeppelin
You may have heard it by now, but rat salad on the album is a instrumental, with a drum solo, you read it right baby, lol.
Black Sabbath are one of the greatest bands of all time!! You definitely need to verse yourself in their early music 1970'-1979
Apparently so Greg!
I love this
Bill Ward was thrash long before thrash ever existed !!
@@SirManfly How is your comment true. When i Bill Ward is my favourite drummer of all time. With the fact that i simply can’t stand Trash.
Omg I had never heard it until now, definite RATM vibes
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The live version of War Pigs (Paris 1970) is a drumming clinic! First blast beats I’ve ever seen… yes, Bill adds blast beats to War Pigs in that video haha legend!
I'll definitely get to that!
@@AndrewRooneyDrums thanks Drew I’ve ALWAYS wanted to see your reaction to that video! I’ll drop the link for ya 👇
@@AndrewRooneyDrums ruclips.net/video/K3b6SGoN6dA/видео.html
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Definitely listen to Symptom of the Universe Unbelievable drum work on that track.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums also just a heads up, Bill Ward definitely strays from the original track by just adding tons of extra notes and the lyrics are still being worked out it seems. There were a few version of the lyrics so it may sound different than the record but in my opinion it’s the best version 🔥
I never heard of a drum teacher that didn't know Bill Wards catalog. I was star struck when we went to the rock and roll hall of fame and some of his old gear was on display. LONG LIVE SABBATH!
Buddy, that's not rock and roll... THAT'S METAL! The first metal band ever. Every current day metal drummer that's blown your mind on your channel, does what they do because of this band. I love led zeppelin, the beatles, YES, the doors and a million blues guys, but I put black sabbath at the top of the list in terms of range of influence. 99% of metal fans would vouch for that.
I freaking love this
The Godfathers of metal 👍
Huge huge influence on metal/heavy metal. Rock and roll is a whole different story.
I'm with you 100%
One of my favorite bands and drummers! Bill was a huge influence in my early love for drumming. Absolute master on the skins!
Unreal Vinnie
The drumming on "Symptom of the universe" is some of the coolest I've ever heard.
Bill Ward is such a great guy! Met him a few times and he's so down to earth and even a little shy. As for amazing drum performances, I'd say some of his most underappreciated performances are:
- Cornucopia
- Spiral Architect
- Johnny Blade
- Wishing Well
- Sweet Leaf (live 1980 w/ drum solo)
- Ghost Train (Bill Ward's new band Day of Errors)
I'm on it Abraham!
Plenty Sabbath on the way :)
read his story. there was a time when he bummed change on la"s street corners for whiskey money. now he advocates for children, even writing childrens books, what a fine example of a human being that woke up and got better.....
As a brazilian, the main groove of "Hand of Doom" sounds like a bossa nova to my ears.
Those rim clicks 👌
It's funny you mentioned it reminding you of RATM, Their drummer Brad Wilk played on their final album instead of Bill Ward
The time has finally come. I was introduced to Black Sabbath (and solo Ozzy) at a really young age. Somewhere around 8 or 9 years old, so 1992-93, both of my divorced parents decided it was time to hear the classics. My dad played me the entirety of the Paranoid album (where both of these songs appear), and my mother went with the new (at the time) No More Tears album. Life was forever changed for me. Now we get to see you in this discovery! Enjoy it, my man!
I love this song, since the middle 70's when I first heard it.
The first Zeppelin and the first Sabbath album are very similar in vibe. Bill Ward doesn't really get the recognition he deserves, all the limelight of those years went to Bonham, but Bill Ward was a beast, and a great fkn sound!! War Pigs Paris 1970 , definitely one of his best performances ever.
You forget zeppelin were just a cover band for the first 2 albums. Invented nothing or created nothing, just a cover band.
Black Sabbath birthed 5 different genres of hard rock: Doom Metal, Thrash Metal, Progressive Metal, Black Metal, and Grunge. There is a popular saying amongst Guitarists that there are two types of riffs, Toni Iommi rifss, and copies of Iommi riffs.
1) I love that there is someone from Auckland doing a reaction channel on RUclips (Kia Ora from K Rd!),
2) Check out the song "Black Sabbath" for the moment Heavy Metal was invented. It has a very unique structure and very dramatic drumming for effect. Also Children of the Grave for an absolute monster rolling triplet thing he keeps up for the entire track, or The Wizard for "Oh my God that is the funkiest drumming I have ever heard in a rock song. Ever."
Thanks Dylan! More Sabbath on the way! 🇳🇿
Bill Ward said that on one of those shows that was video recorded, Ozzy talked him into eating acid before the show😳😂
HAHA! Awesome Larry
One of the greatest rhythm sections ever. They don't get the credit they deserve.
Very interesting to make the Rage Against the Machine connection as Brad Wilk from Rage has actually filled in for Bill Ward on the album "13" in more recent years. Obviously a huge inspiration of his.
Bill Ward was a legend! One of the best drummers of all time!
Ozzy has two microphones taped together. Presumably one was for the live PA, and one for the recording. They would sometimes do this to avoid earth loops between the PA rig and the recording rig. Normally these days they would split each microphone feed with a transformer coupled splitter.
The album this comes from, Paranoid, is one of the absolute best albums of all time in any genre. Anyone who plays rock music should know this album front to back. Andrew, there's your homework!
The whole thing of "two songs within a song" pretty much started right here.
Whole new rabbit hole.
I freaking love this
Two songs within a song is their minimalistic setting. They often go bigger
the BBC "Classic Albums" episode on Paranoid was brilliant
Started where?
@@megamaniac7402 yep, War Pigs is like 4 songs. Only the Who packed in more to a single track...
I know there's often a preference for live recordings, but the studio tracks for this are simply amazing. The theme of it are the dangers horrors of heroin addiction, and the damaged society he sees around him. Plus, the dynamics are just incredible. Something that had never been put to vinyl before.
Plus I think Ozzy must've been high and forgot a alot of the lyrics and made them up as he went LOL
"Visions in your mind.. are treating you unkind." Ozzy adlibbing on the spot..
Love it! 🙌
Please do more early Sabbath! Bill Ward is an all time great, also props for pointing out the fact that Ozzy was a really solid singer! Also the similarities between early Sabbath and Zep are cool because the two bands were close friends and came up at the same time. They used to go to eachother's rehearsals. Bonham once broke Bill Ward's drum set because he insisted on jumping in to play a Sabbath song, "Supernaut" with the band, and ended up smashing the set at a practice.
I saw an interview where Bill said this was his favorite song to play.
Also, the lyrics are totally different than the studio version of this song. It’s possible this was videotaped before Paranoid (the album) was recorded.
The SM57 came later, may be 73? This was probably a Shure "Unidyne." The cartridge has a flat response where as the 57 had a hump........
Oh wow. Thank you Danny
On the paranoid album, Rat Salad has a full drum solo. It's worth looking deeper into that.
Thanks Cordell!
This is 1970. They hadn't recorded the album with these songs on it yet. They were literally inventing a new kind of music.
I had the honor of seeing these master rockers back in the 1970's. What a show, non-STOP. Their show melted your brain. So good. Andrew they did not stop between songs. They would play the last note of the song and launch right in to the next one.
Awesome memories Mike
Great reaction. I'm 69- Now you see why we got so excited about music the late 60s and early 70s. Saw Sabbath twice- 1971 then 1972.
This is a real concert experience
I mentioned that when I saw them they did not stop. At one point Oz, Tony, and Geezer left the stage. Bill continued to play. So much energy and effort, Good stuff. I enjoy your channel sir. I read a comment once that stated that these days Oz cannot string a sentence together. Yet, when he sings you can understand what he is saying. Great insights sir. Thank you.
I dig his singing here Mike!!
What an amazing time in music!
Whenever I experience the brilliance of Bill Ward, I frequently get the impression that he is going to stand up, launch himself into the middle of his kit and start tearing the shit out of it. Instead, he sits there calmly and does the same. This band, is simply put genre defining.
Love his powerhouse style
There was and ever will be only be one Black Sabbath. There are 2 firsts for me when it comes to the band. When I was in high school (1971) I dropped acid for the first time and attended my first ever live concert and it was the one and only Black Sabbath. That was back in the day of festival seating so we were fortunate enough to land a seat about 30 feet in front of the stage. I was in awe the whole time to say the least. I couldn't get over how much larger than life the band seemed to be but then again I'm sure the drugs must have played a part in that perception. 🙂 Side note: the opening band were interesting too. It was a band called "Bloodrock" and their claim to fame was a song they did called D.O.A.
Bill Ward and John Bonnem grew up together and where friends from a very young age and would help each other set up drums long long before they were famous, along with the other members of black sabbath they grew up and went to school and knocked around with each other
Awesome info Gary! Thank you
In the 70s, when the power flower establishment reigned, Sabbath came up with a dark, climatic, terrifying and cruel sound.
The sound was totally original, not derived from any other style, and based on jazz and pre-punk (even before that existed). This is perhaps also due to the strong city of origin of the Members. In Birmingham-UK, Sabbath soaked up the fury of those tough times.
While Zeppelin invited you to climb a stairway to heaven with “Starway to Heaven”, Sabbath sent you to hell with a one-way ticket.
No one has ever made music like Black Sabbath!
I'm drummer in Brazil and I have a Bill Ward tattoo.
You say you can't hear crowd noise? I was at a Sabbath concert in ‘71. It was all about the volume. Between the loudness of the band and grass in the air, the crowd listened more than they do today.
Thanks Thomas! 100% all about the music and I love it
This entire set is beyond cool. Seriously if you dig this song check out the rest of the set from this performance. Every song is raw and dynamic and the vibe is just simply that of a time that used to be in Rock/Metal music. Bill Ward grew up a Jazz drummer. It's why his drumming is so unique to heavy music because the dude could SWING.
You have to watch War Pigs from the same show, and he was influenced by jazz. He tells in one documentary that he wasn't a technical drummer and that he was following what Iome was doing on lead guitar
Thank you Keith!
Not picking up on the lyrics, hand of doom is about the American soldiers in Vietnam turning to heroin to escape the realities of war. Amazing song.
Bill Ward is a very interesting person, poet, writer, singer and an exceptional drummer.
Oh right! Thanks Kent for the info
Little known fact,Toni Iommi played with Jethro Tull on Benefit album but he wasn't on the cover.They remind me more of Tull than Zeppelin
Nice info James!
Not many drummers can match Bill Wards feel and the way he supports Tony and Geezer. And yes he loves jazz.
Absolute monster Eric
@@AndrewRooneyDrums if you haven't already, take a listen to Wicked World from the first album. Bill absolutely swings his ass off.
If you want to hear Sabbath playing jazz be sure to check out Wicked World from the live album Live At Last. Just go to 5.20 through to 7.50. It is a thing of beauty.
Because you liked this so much, check out the entire Paranoid album which includes Hand Of Doom. Lyrics are fairly easy to understand and this song is about shooting up on heroin. A classic album.
I will Brian! 🙌
Bill Ward one of my drumming heroes always has been and always will be ... no one hits them harder than Bill ... soooo underrated and one of rock drummings icons
Yup. Totally underrated
One of the grooviest tunes, so jazzy and yet very dark. I love this one!! Used to wear it out!
Amazing stuff
I love that Ozzy changes the lyrics to whatever he wants, but it still sounds awesome!
Absolutely!👍🏻
It's not just Bill Ward that was under rated . Example Barriemore Barlow (Jethro Tull). These virtuosos played for the love 💕 of expression The real musicians and listeners appreciate there contributions and awards mean nothing. Like critics hated progressive music (, Rolling Stone). Its the fans that count not critics. Bill Ward is a giant. Sabbath Rules
Well said Justin
The perfect and most exact definition of Frankenstein Rock. This is solid gold and a complete masterpiece of rock music. This is a very valuable piece of Rick history.
If u want to hear some sick heavy drumming and even a straight jazz session from bill ward and the band that i bet you’ve NEVER heard before id recommend listening to the entire performance of their song wicked world from the live album (live at last)
I'm on it!
The Wizard from the first album. His best work.
Great request and reaction. Bill Ward was a beast
I freaking love this
The Black Sabbath rabbit hole is one you won’t regret!!!
I'm so glad you reacted to this Andrew. I think you can now understand why us old rockers are blessed to have witnessed this era. This is definitely a tune Yoyoka should cover as many people have asked. I loved your reaction to this and how Rage sound like Black sabbath (not the other way round). You missed out on so much being young my friend but its never too late to catch up and enjoy. Thank you.
I think there was so much invention and creativity Pat.
Studio perfection was still a decade or 2 away
Grew up with this too. You have it so right Pat Carey and Yoyoka should try this one.
Geezer Butler has amazing right-hand techniques! Heis really a bass hero of mine
Black Sabbath was initially a reaction against the "peace/love" hippie vibe of the late 60's, along with the MC5 and Blue Cheer; heavier and scary, a more honest reflection of the times. The lads in their prime in the very early 70's; Geezer Butler had said that people paid to see scary movies so they should write scary songs, the band name came from an old Bela Lugosi film (the band was called Earth before, a jazz/blues combo).
Awesome info Todd. Thank you 🙏
Amazing insight with scary movies
Black Sabbath is a Boris Karloff movie
@@adambnyc Karloff, that's right! Even own a copy of the movie and totally forgot. Excuse the error.
Bill Ward was an absolute monster. His technique (especially his incorporation of the snare) reminds me a lot of Buddy Miles, but with a looser feel overall. They both hit those skins within an inch of their lives though!
I saw them around this time, they were two hours late, I think cause Ozzy had passed out. Other than that really good, was the first "heavy" sound most of us had heard. My drummer friends loved Bill Ward.
WOW!!
That Ozzy story is probably accurate LOL
Great video Andrew! Was hoping to see some Sabbath on here. Zeppelin and these guys did indeed know each other. Sabbath come from Birmingham England as did John Bonham and Robert Plant. They came up in the club scene before Zep and Sabbath made it big. There's an amusing story of Bill Ward banishing Bonham from using his drum kit because he kept breaking it hahah. Oh yeah Bonham was Tony Iommi's best man at his wedding. Look forward to seeing more Sabbath on your channel!
Hand of Doom is obviously about drug addiction and resulting death. I've always loved the jazzy groove at the beginning!
Yes!!! Check out my cover!
His fills , tempo changes and improvisation are unequalled I’m my humble opinion. The king of drumming .
Legend! 🙌
Listening to the end of your reaction I see you make comparisons to newer groups......Full reversal.....just about every band since black sabbath has licks and riffs and sound that come from and inspired by black sabbath.
💯👌totally agree Brian
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Thanks for the Reply... For Kicks and Giggles Check out 2 songs from Black Sabbath doing and Elvis Tribute....Live in Paris....same show as your Hand of doom Video....Chuck Berry Tempo and Total Black Sabbath Power.
Also a "Flower Power" song or extension at the end of "Symptom's of the Universe"
Not at all what you'd expect from both.
Keep on Streaming!!
Really loved the funky grooves of this song! It sounded funny when you said you might want to hear more of the band and go down the Sabbath rabbit hole.... considering a short time later you are swimming in that hole and lovin' every minute of it! 😀
100% John!!!
Deep in it now!
You have to get more into sabbath and their work literally one of the greatest bands to ever live if not the one!! The way they changed as album’s progressed will blow ur mind
From the songs Black Sabbath to Dirty Women is and everything in between is mind blowing.
I freaking love it already
Listen to the song “Black Sabbath” which is the first song on the first album. Then listen to “Dirty Women” which is the last song on the last studio album Ozzy did. Once you’ve done that, you’ll dive into everything in between naturally. 😉
Then, bypass the “hits” and try “A National Acrobat” and “Fairies Wear Boots”. This will give you a great studio base of Sabbath’s depth.
“Never say die” for another entirely different vibe...
Ward has sighted Krupa, Rich, Bellson as some of his first influences so he isn't a stranger to jazz. As for the temp and feel change up half away before coming back to original riff. That was the Sabbath formula on their early albums. All of them were in their early 30s when this was recorded.
Very strong rhythm section. The bassist plays relatively closer to the neck, so there is a reduced amount of higher harmonic frequencies in the overall sound. It goes so well with that huge sound of bass drum. It sounds like thunder.
I feel like he's approaching this like an upright bass.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Geezer never played bass until joining Sabbath he was a guitarist and why he plays it more like a 4 string lead guitar than a actual bass.
Bill Ward is a Beast on drums 🤘
My all time favorite drummer!!!
Black Sabbath are forever the Godfathers of Metal 🤘
If you haven’t already brother watch the war pigs version live! Same show I believe, but the drumming is absolutely fantastic in it and a lot of cool clips of Bill
I'll do that one for sure Elias!
This here. Guess it is same show, Live in Paris? Incredible drumming, among other things.
Black Sabbath created genres with single songs.
@@AndrewRooneyDrums Awesome, I'm excited to check it out with ya lol
This version stops, right where Rat Salad gets good.
It's sad that you've not revisited Rat Salad since, as it is the bridge between Zep and Sab. Rat Salad is Sabbath's Moby Dick. It's a vehicle for the drummer's signature solo.
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Rich the Ancient Metal Beast
I love this version, it must be early in the songs creation as Ozzie is singing different lyrics to the recorded version. Possibly one of the first times they played it live. ❤️ Black Sabbath
That's what I'm wondering - WTF are these lyrics?
"Takes me back to a time when I wasn't alive"......LOL! I can relate, I was 4-5 years old when this was recorded. I love BLack Sabbath. Ever since the first time I heard them and bought their LP vinyls , awesome to listen to.
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Bill Ward, Neil Peart, Mitch Mitchell, John Bonham, Danny Carey, Dave Lombardo. Quintessential drummers in music. THE best drummers of all time, IMHO.
That's a great list