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Eric, This man is a legendary good Person between his books and videos I finish my first barrel ever and build my rifle and finish a week ago… no bs the rifle shoot 0.146 4 shoot group @100 yards,every email I send to him he answered with details and how and why… so to Gordy thanks so much to pass your knowledge and passion to people like me and others!
Been killing on the pod EC. Thanks Gordy. Between this Channel and 2-3 others it has motivated me to knock the dust off my equipment and get back to it. I have resolved many issues that I didn’t even know I had. And I appreciate it. I love the knowledge and experience sharing. In my line of work I train a lot of people to do the job that I do. I watched a couple of other mentors doing training and I saw hey these guys are training these people to be good, interns let’s say and not training them to be self sufficient alone when the time comes. So i started trying to teach them to ready to go alone on day one and some are slower to pick up than others but it stems from principles on this channel of not keeping secrets but sharing info and being comfortable in your own skills and ability to do so. The lifetime student deal I guess. I find simile traits to people I consider real pros. They’re generally humble unique in their sense of humor and always listen. They listen to someone explaining a thing even if they already understand it in hopes to maybe get some new perspective. I dunno. It’s awesome. Thanks mang. And spin up an arc barrel for your ppc and make some vids please lol.
Good call getting Gordy on here. Absolutely best mentor class I could have selected to illuminate the rabbit hole. Always learn more each time I hear both of you talk. Thanks.
Eric, these interviews are excellent contributions to knowledge building in the sport firearms community. This one with Gordy is among the best. Thank you for your vision and leadership for creating this valuable series and to Gordy and the others for sharing their valuable knowledge and experience, well done 👍
Oh, man. I haven't watched yet but I'll bet my left nut that I learn something new about gunsmithing during this hour. I'm cutting a 6.5x47L chamber tomorrow and maybe I'll have a new trick or two to try. Thanks in advance!
I've shot guns for years... But it wasn't until I started reloading that I got serious about the technical aspects of it. I've noticed lately that I really like experimenting... I'll tune and tune and tune a load until it does what I want. Then I'm done. After that I'll move on to another load and start over and perfect that one. Don't get me wrong, I like a good load that shoots tight groups... But I think I enjoy the journey towards perfection almost as much as achieving perfection.
Erik please consider a video on pre-fit barrels. Are pre-fits the wave of the future? If so, the sport could explode due to reduced cost and allow DIY barrel changes.
Erik, you should have Phil Cashin from Masterpiece Arms on and talk about their new Air Rifle chassis that MPA is now offering. I'd love to hear a lot more about MPA from Phil than just the new Air Rifle series though!
Great to see ya Gordy, we're about the same age, & interesting how you founded the Iowa 1000Y. Club, I had the good fortune, at a very, very young age, to get introduced to 1000Y+ shooting by my Father, in the mid to late 60's & grow, then jump, right into it, which - to the best of my knowledge he occasionally frequented the 1000Yd. Club there by Williamsport Pa. which started back in the late 50's/early 60's....?? & continues to this day as, I believe, "the oldest 1000Yd. Club"....??, & my Father was always fortunate enough to shoot his 30-06, then 300WM, then 7MM RM, then, then, then 50BMG's......lol.....at his private ranges on farms & so my hobby from early in life till about late teens/early 20's turned into a sickness....lol....& the only lifestyle I know or care about......fast-forward to 89, we end-up in the West, settling in the midwest & started - proceeded to shoot out to a mile+ by 95 with 300 RUMS & .338 LM those years. Your expertise in Gunsmithing has had me following you since the "Varmint Hunter" Magazine came out about. Great Work & Reputation, I Commend You Sir & Thank You for your generosity to share so much insight & experience. - Hats off to You.
This talk of hummer barrels I got a 22-250 that just simply shoots anything sub Moa @ 500 yards with hand loads why not take a hummer barrel and study it under a microscope per sey
Amazing interview, I wish I could take Gordy’s class. This man sounds like he has a wonderful amount of information to pass on to the next generation. Gordy seems like a great guy! Thanks Eric for another great BTT Episode. 😎👍
Erik, awesome interview! I took a one on one class with Gordy and built my first rifle in the class and it was an absolute amazing experience! Love your interviews, keep it going!
Love what you are doing here . Have you heard the name Matt Dubber ? He is a young RUclipsr . Does both powder burners and air rifles and would be interesting interview . He also is part of Element Scopes . Could be a good talk .
Second Matt Dubber(AirArmshuntingSA) he's been shooting and tuning PCP air guns for years and is especially proficient with FX air guns(He's closely associated with the company and has helped design some of the gun components). He also won the PRS portion of RMAC last year with an FX Impact.
Erik glad you’re finally coming around on AirGuns. I get so much trigger time with them. The Impact I shoot has not only an adjustable regulator, but a way to control valve timing and a way to adjust seating depth. I took a lot of what I learned on your channel and applied it to my airgun shooting. It’ll shoot moa 300m consistently with a 40gr slug. So much fun to shoot, and cheap! If you’re serious look at Altaros slugs (CNC machined), Nielsen makes good ammo too.
No no no forget about FX… Airgun technologies Vulcan 3 pared with avs slugs. I had an mk1 m3 and a maverick, none of them even come close to the Vulcan 3. Yes, you can tune them and hope and pray you hit the barrel lotto… but constantly have to resight and retune them. My Vulcan 3 has held zero for over a year now, and it’s still slinging a 60grain slug 948fps. I love it so much I sold everything I own that says Fx and bought two more Vulcans and a uragan 2 Although you might be on to something with altaro slugs! Not sure they’re ideal for pesting but seem to be a good slug, just wish they made them in more/larger diameters in each caliber. 🍻
Picked Gordy's brain a time or two up at the Varmint Hunter Jamboree's back in the day. Great guy. Sure do miss those Jamboree's as they were a great time with some great people.
If you’re serious about getting into airguns get in contact with Derek wall. He kicks ass at 22nrl comps with his airguns. Also he’s from Texas. You will love airguns man! My Vulcan 3 .30 caliber will shoot 1 inch groups at 200 yards pushing a 60grain slug (bullet) I’m running a 10 groove rifled barrel. Getting ready to reach out to hart barrel co to have a custom .25 caliber barrel made up for an airgun. Just be warned once you get into airguns the barrel life on your powder burners will double or triple 😂😂
Positive Compensation: how do you know the barrel is vibrating in a vertical plane vs diagonal or horizontal? And, how do you know the bullets are exiting at the top or bottom of the oscillation?
In regards to positive compensation, why couldn't you take a load/barrel that exhibits positive compensation at some distance (say 1000 yards)? Shoot this same load/barrel at a closer target (say 500 yards) and capture velocity . The shots that impact high should be slower and low shots should be faster, if not then positive compensation was not happening.
Erick, please, please, please, have another person number or identify the barrels so when you test, you do not know who did the barrel. No reflection on you at all, it's just better not to know when testing.
Gordy is by far the best gunsmith I’ve ever spoken with. He actually knows what he’s doing, and if you ask a question on almost any level, he can spit out the answer. Not many gunsmiths can actually do that surprisingly. Another thing I learned on my quest to find a top gunsmith before I spoke with Gordy, almost any gunsmith will say they can do anything. Then you start asking about machining a barrel etc for you, and they don’t offer that service. In fact it’s hard to even find someone agree to try, and who knows what kind of work you will receive. If you’re looking for a smith. Call Gordy. It’s actually not bad on price if you just buy components here, and there and space it out. Then to have it all assembled etc is about the price of an expensive off the shelf rifle.
The one concept I don't quite understand is that people say there's a difference between a rifle's 100 yard performance and 1,000 yard performance (i.e. if you shot on a perfect day with no wind or other variables, you'd end up with more spread at 1,000 (in MOA) than at 100). I don't really see how that can be possible, aside from wind and other environmental variables. When the bullet leaves the barrel, its course is set. It will follow that course unless acted upon by the wind/other environmental factors.
Wind is never exactly zero, and it's never exactly the same from one shot to the next. So there will be divergence from the wind even if it's minor. No two cartridges will produce the exact same velocity either. Good shooters like to get the velocity as consistent as possible for a given load, but even the best ammo will vary by 5-10 fps and that can affect group size at distance. Then there is inconsistent weight and/or shape between the bullets. Eric actually "points" his bullets to give the tips a more consistent shape. Out of the box your bullets might vary in their individual BC by a few percent, meaning some will slow down quicker than others as they travel. The tip shape can also affect spin drift to some extent. If your gun is not perfectly vertical every time you pull the trigger it will cause horizontal dispersion. The scope is pointed right at the bullseye, but the barrel is pointing upward relative to the target. If you rotate your gun it makes that barrel point somewhere other than directly above the bullseye. So yeah there is more than just the wind that can make groups open up at longer distances.
Thinkin’ the positive compensation question would be a good question for Bryan Litz, as to its validity. Don’t think I’d put much stock in it. Love that you have the various builders and the discussions of their perspectives, techniques and methods. Reminds me of the accomplished performance engine builders, the system approach they take, the results being the sum of the accurate application of methodology, and the willingness to share and pass it on.
Assuming that most barrels have a bore curve, machining the barrel so that when it is torqued into the action, the muzzle is pointing at either 12 or 6 o'clock.
Ewww… 15shots per fill. No way!!! My Vulcan 3 in .25 is running 90fpe and gets 40 shots per fill. Plus it’s a Vulcan so it’s insanely accurate. No tuning involved, raise or lower reg pressure and go!! Best part is it holds freaking zero!!! Every fx I’ve ever owned, including FX M3 is more temperamental than my ex wife… never shoots the same on Sunday as it did on Saturday..
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Gordy! Good to see you on Erik's channel! Learned so much from you.
Really I don’t think you ever mentioned it.
Take Gordy's class. Even if you have no ambition to be a gunsmith. If you're a competitor, you need to understand your equipment. Take the class.
Eric, This man is a legendary good Person between his books and videos I finish my first barrel ever and build my rifle and finish a week ago… no bs the rifle shoot 0.146 4 shoot group @100 yards,every email I send to him he answered with details and how and why… so to Gordy thanks so much to pass your knowledge and passion to people like me and others!
Great interview! Erik is back on track conducting excellent interviews with top professional!
Been killing on the pod EC. Thanks Gordy. Between this Channel and 2-3 others it has motivated me to knock the dust off my equipment and get back to it. I have resolved many issues that I didn’t even know I had. And I appreciate it. I love the knowledge and experience sharing. In my line of work I train a lot of people to do the job that I do. I watched a couple of other mentors doing training and I saw hey these guys are training these people to be good, interns let’s say and not training them to be self sufficient alone when the time comes. So i started trying to teach them to ready to go alone on day one and some are slower to pick up than others but it stems from principles on this channel of not keeping secrets but sharing info and being comfortable in your own skills and ability to do so. The lifetime student deal I guess. I find simile traits to people I consider real pros. They’re generally humble unique in their sense of humor and always listen. They listen to someone explaining a thing even if they already understand it in hopes to maybe get some new perspective. I dunno. It’s awesome. Thanks mang. And spin up an arc barrel for your ppc and make some vids please lol.
I didn't know Gordy was a cop!?!? Thank you for your service.
Good call getting Gordy on here. Absolutely best mentor class I could have selected to illuminate the rabbit hole. Always learn more each time I hear both of you talk. Thanks.
As usual Eric your podcasts are top notch. So much knowledge shared.
Eric, these interviews are excellent contributions to knowledge building in the sport firearms community. This one with Gordy is among the best. Thank you for your vision and leadership for creating this valuable series and to Gordy and the others for sharing their valuable knowledge and experience, well done 👍
Taking Gordy's class was the best money I have ever spent. Great interview, thank you
I’m in Gordy’s class this week. I’m so glad he is passing on some of his knowledge
Gordy built my first BR gun and it still is the best and what I hold all my other custom BR guns to.
Tell me Gordy wouldn't have some great hilarious stories to tell.
Oh, man. I haven't watched yet but I'll bet my left nut that I learn something new about gunsmithing during this hour. I'm cutting a 6.5x47L chamber tomorrow and maybe I'll have a new trick or two to try. Thanks in advance!
I've shot guns for years... But it wasn't until I started reloading that I got serious about the technical aspects of it.
I've noticed lately that I really like experimenting... I'll tune and tune and tune a load until it does what I want. Then I'm done. After that I'll move on to another load and start over and perfect that one.
Don't get me wrong, I like a good load that shoots tight groups... But I think I enjoy the journey towards perfection almost as much as achieving perfection.
Erik please consider a video on pre-fit barrels. Are pre-fits the wave of the future? If so, the sport could explode due to reduced cost and allow DIY barrel changes.
Thanks Erik for doing these videos the people, knowledge and stories are amazing . Cheers from australia
Erik, you should have Phil Cashin from Masterpiece Arms on and talk about their new Air Rifle chassis that MPA is now offering. I'd love to hear a lot more about MPA from Phil than just the new Air Rifle series though!
I’m taking Gordy’s class in March (Can’t wait!) would love to hear another podcast with Speedy.
Coming up very soon.
I want to take his class also
I'm also taking his class in March! I'll see you there!
Great to see ya Gordy, we're about the same age, & interesting how you founded the Iowa 1000Y. Club, I had the good fortune, at a very, very young age, to get introduced to 1000Y+ shooting by my Father, in the mid to late 60's & grow, then jump, right into it, which - to the best of my knowledge he occasionally frequented the 1000Yd. Club there by Williamsport Pa. which started back in the late 50's/early 60's....?? & continues to this day as, I believe, "the oldest 1000Yd. Club"....??, & my Father was always fortunate enough to shoot his 30-06, then 300WM, then 7MM RM, then, then, then 50BMG's......lol.....at his private ranges on farms & so my hobby from early in life till about late teens/early 20's turned into a sickness....lol....& the only lifestyle I know or care about......fast-forward to 89, we end-up in the West, settling in the midwest & started - proceeded to shoot out to a mile+ by 95 with 300 RUMS & .338 LM those years. Your expertise in Gunsmithing has had me following you since the "Varmint Hunter" Magazine came out about. Great Work & Reputation, I Commend You Sir & Thank You for your generosity to share so much insight & experience. - Hats off to You.
Man! This hour flew by! Thanks Erik!
Love Gordy
This talk of hummer barrels I got a 22-250 that just simply shoots anything sub Moa @ 500 yards with hand loads why not take a hummer barrel and study it under a microscope per sey
I would like to learn gun smithing how long are your classes for a true beginner I don't know anything
I bought a couple of Tubbs spring kits for 700 actions, going to do some testing with that system
Amazing interview, I wish I could take Gordy’s class.
This man sounds like he has a wonderful amount of information to pass on to the next generation. Gordy seems like a great guy! Thanks Eric for another great BTT Episode. 😎👍
Awesome videos Erik....love your style and how much you are loved and respected. Need to ream some of that affability into me!!
Change with the times or get left behind
If you do the barrel comparison... do before and afters off a CMM or other lab inspection of each.
Awesome
I wish I knew everything that Speedy and Gordy both have forgotten.
Been looking forward to this one! Great stuff Erik!
Recommend interviewing Mark from Short Action Customs…a real innovator, too.
Great idea to send (2) barrels to the top gunsmiths in the country! Can’t wait to see the video and the results.
Mark from Mark and Sam after work
Thanks for the podcast, very interesting talk about the positive compensation idea
Erik, awesome interview! I took a one on one class with Gordy and built my first rifle in the class and it was an absolute amazing experience! Love your interviews, keep it going!
Love what you are doing here . Have you heard the name Matt Dubber ? He is a young RUclipsr . Does both powder burners and air rifles and would be interesting interview . He also is part of Element Scopes . Could be a good talk .
Second Matt Dubber(AirArmshuntingSA) he's been shooting and tuning PCP air guns for years and is especially proficient with FX air guns(He's closely associated with the company and has helped design some of the gun components). He also won the PRS portion of RMAC last year with an FX Impact.
Amazing interview Erik and Gordy! By the end I was thinking of that Harbor Freight lathe🧐
This is awesome. Spread the knowledge. I have learned so much by listening to you all. Thank you
Nice. Awesome content
6x47 lapua & N150. Min load....max load ?
Erik glad you’re finally coming around on AirGuns. I get so much trigger time with them. The Impact I shoot has not only an adjustable regulator, but a way to control valve timing and a way to adjust seating depth. I took a lot of what I learned on your channel and applied it to my airgun shooting. It’ll shoot moa 300m consistently with a 40gr slug.
So much fun to shoot, and cheap! If you’re serious look at Altaros slugs (CNC machined), Nielsen makes good ammo too.
No no no forget about FX… Airgun technologies Vulcan 3 pared with avs slugs. I had an mk1 m3 and a maverick, none of them even come close to the Vulcan 3. Yes, you can tune them and hope and pray you hit the barrel lotto… but constantly have to resight and retune them. My Vulcan 3 has held zero for over a year now, and it’s still slinging a 60grain slug 948fps. I love it so much I sold everything I own that says Fx and bought two more Vulcans and a uragan 2
Although you might be on to something with altaro slugs! Not sure they’re ideal for pesting but seem to be a good slug, just wish they made them in more/larger diameters in each caliber. 🍻
Picked Gordy's brain a time or two up at the Varmint Hunter Jamboree's back in the day. Great guy. Sure do miss those Jamboree's as they were a great time with some great people.
Mike Rock told me a "straight" barrel always shoots better than a "curved" - my experience confirms this.
What's the best way to measure this, and what would you consider a straight barrel?
If you’re serious about getting into airguns get in contact with Derek wall. He kicks ass at 22nrl comps with his airguns. Also he’s from Texas.
You will love airguns man! My Vulcan 3 .30 caliber will shoot 1 inch groups at 200 yards pushing a 60grain slug (bullet) I’m running a 10 groove rifled barrel. Getting ready to reach out to hart barrel co to have a custom .25 caliber barrel made up for an airgun. Just be warned once you get into airguns the barrel life on your powder burners will double or triple 😂😂
Positive Compensation: how do you know the barrel is vibrating in a vertical plane vs diagonal or horizontal? And, how do you know the bullets are exiting at the top or bottom of the oscillation?
Watch the Tim Sellars interview
In regards to positive compensation, why couldn't you take a load/barrel that exhibits positive compensation at some distance (say 1000 yards)? Shoot this same load/barrel at a closer target (say 500 yards) and capture velocity . The shots that impact high should be slower and low shots should be faster, if not then positive compensation was not happening.
Erick, please, please, please, have another person number or identify the barrels so when you test, you do not know who did the barrel. No reflection on you at all, it's just better not to know when testing.
That’s how my large purchases are prefaced. “Long story short, I’m buying a....”.
Thank you, this was great.
I want to take gordy's class
Gordy is by far the best gunsmith I’ve ever spoken with. He actually knows what he’s doing, and if you ask a question on almost any level, he can spit out the answer. Not many gunsmiths can actually do that surprisingly.
Another thing I learned on my quest to find a top gunsmith before I spoke with Gordy, almost any gunsmith will say they can do anything. Then you start asking about machining a barrel etc for you, and they don’t offer that service. In fact it’s hard to even find someone agree to try, and who knows what kind of work you will receive.
If you’re looking for a smith. Call Gordy. It’s actually not bad on price if you just buy components here, and there and space it out. Then to have it all assembled etc is about the price of an expensive off the shelf rifle.
More hunters these days seem to want the long range accuracy for big game hunting. Do you build rifles more for hunters or competition shooters?
Walther makes air rifle barrels. Give them a call. Thanks for videos and all the knowledge
First?
Fx baby
Must be time to interview Ian Klemm. He spoke about positive compensation on the vortex nation f-class episode
Put all these guys together after you test these barrels! Talk it out over a beer and a steak. Just make sure you show us all!
The one concept I don't quite understand is that people say there's a difference between a rifle's 100 yard performance and 1,000 yard performance (i.e. if you shot on a perfect day with no wind or other variables, you'd end up with more spread at 1,000 (in MOA) than at 100). I don't really see how that can be possible, aside from wind and other environmental variables. When the bullet leaves the barrel, its course is set. It will follow that course unless acted upon by the wind/other environmental factors.
Wind is never exactly zero, and it's never exactly the same from one shot to the next. So there will be divergence from the wind even if it's minor. No two cartridges will produce the exact same velocity either. Good shooters like to get the velocity as consistent as possible for a given load, but even the best ammo will vary by 5-10 fps and that can affect group size at distance. Then there is inconsistent weight and/or shape between the bullets. Eric actually "points" his bullets to give the tips a more consistent shape. Out of the box your bullets might vary in their individual BC by a few percent, meaning some will slow down quicker than others as they travel. The tip shape can also affect spin drift to some extent. If your gun is not perfectly vertical every time you pull the trigger it will cause horizontal dispersion. The scope is pointed right at the bullseye, but the barrel is pointing upward relative to the target. If you rotate your gun it makes that barrel point somewhere other than directly above the bullseye. So yeah there is more than just the wind that can make groups open up at longer distances.
Thinkin’ the positive compensation question would be a good question for Bryan Litz, as to its validity.
Don’t think I’d put much stock in it.
Love that you have the various builders and the discussions of their perspectives, techniques and methods.
Reminds me of the accomplished performance engine builders, the system approach they take, the results being the sum of the accurate application of methodology, and the willingness to share and pass it on.
I have discussed this with Bryan on an episode coming soon. I think you’ll be surprised. :)
@58:30 You mentioned Frustrated new shooter. wish more people realised what you just said...
How does the at home amateur shooter make sure his muzzle crown is in good shape. Or that his barrel doesn't open up at the end.
Pin type gauges inserted in the barrel end. I saw a video where a threaded barrel was bigger to the length if the threads for a tuner.
I am sorry what is a clocked barrel? I do understand for revolvers but not rifles
Assuming that most barrels have a bore curve, machining the barrel so that when it is torqued into the action, the muzzle is pointing at either 12 or 6 o'clock.
eriK I love these long interviews.
Contact Pyramid Air for their catalog, you will be floored.
Get a FX Panthera te new longrange airgun from FX aiguns
Ewww… 15shots per fill. No way!!! My Vulcan 3 in .25 is running 90fpe and gets 40 shots per fill. Plus it’s a Vulcan so it’s insanely accurate. No tuning involved, raise or lower reg pressure and go!! Best part is it holds freaking zero!!! Every fx I’ve ever owned, including FX M3 is more temperamental than my ex wife… never shoots the same on Sunday as it did on Saturday..
Nice. #!!! 😊😊😊
Sounds cool
You guys are living my dream! Very nice!