“And to take it apart we have this button...” *Almost a full minute of labored breathing and struggling* “And one easy little button just like that and we have our assembly!”
@@M.T.... "However, the force striking the back of the receiver would probably be very significant, especially since there is no action mechanism to delay the bolt going backwards and waiting for the pressure to drop." The action mechanism is the flywheel. The force needed to spin the flywheel to get the bolt moving backwards is the same as if the bolt was three or four times heavier. The whole point of this action is that the weight is moved from the bolt into the flywheel so the bolt does not have to be as long or thick. This is the whole point of flywheel delayed mechanisms over straight-delayed blow back mechanisms. Straight-delayed use heavy bolts. Flywheel delayed use heavy flywheels and a transmission to achieve the same thing as heavy bolt. Lever delayed blowbacks use levers and mechanical advantage to do the same thing as a heavy bolt. These are all just different methods of slowing down bolt movement so chamber pressures have time to drop. They all do the same thing and simply have different recoil, weight, and complexity aspects.
One of the things I love about this channel is Ian never seems like he's reading a script or even wrote a script. He just has all this knowledge up in that skull of his
for future viewers: Because he does, barring one or two exceptions he does *all these videos in one take* and while he doesn't necessarily write a full script he does make a series of cliff notes to emphasize alot of the times
"Uh...Monsieur, we have a bit of an issue." "Well? Spit it out, Jean." "We had to replace our Gun Designeur last minute with a Jacque in the Box specialist."
Laird Cummings Which would make it a good gun for someone on the market for a small, concealable weapon. The vast majority of the public, however is understandably more interested in comfortable, performing weapons, since your average Joe has no need to shoot up a wedding or some such
It sounded like there was someone from the museum standing near him, when Ian said "thank you", probably didn't want to talk smack about a gun in their collection with them right there. that's my guess at least.
Jacob Graham He's in a Dutch museum talking about a wacky French SMG. My point being: Restraint out of respect/courtesy is almost definitely not the reason. I'm sure he just forgot because it's rather obvious.
Spree killers don't need concealable as much. If they are planning a spree then they can deal with hiding a cumbersome object in a large package, etc. They choose their own timing and location. Concealment is primarily useful for hidden responsive tools. i.e. Security, police, civilian concealed carry.
After WW I I all common SMGs (except Thompson) were stamped steel and simple round tubes. And then a frenchman designs a 1920s style clockwork SMG with expensive machined parts and expects commercial success. Nice gun, wrong era.
patents were frozen during the whole WWII so the inventor applied for patents in 1940 but did not get'em before 1946. Hence the different approach (milling, etc..) from post war designs. It's not certain that the inventor was aware of the stamped sheet process applied to the MP38 (in 1938) when Merlin Gerin (the company he worked with) submitted the patent. The inventor designed also handguns, machine guns etc, without meeting commercial success.
That design could easily be adapted to 3d printing using elastic polymer spring because of the pull action the rotary design allows. This is especially true if chambered in rimfire.
...and then the mouse comes out and pulls on the cheese, the fan blows the boat across the bucket of water, the boat bumps a bowling ball which rolls down the hill and hits the back of the bolt, which pushes the firing pin forward, which fires the gun.
So what I've learned of national firearms development from this channel is... France: One step forward, one step sideways America: Two steps forward, one step back Germany: One step forward. We shall advance in a calm, logical und repeatable manner! And vhy is this pin not serial stamped?! Russia: One step forward, one squat down. This is good place, da? We wait for others catch up. China: One step Brevets, eighteen steps BROWNINGS
This has to be one of my favorite Firearms designs. It is just ingenious. And that has to be one of the lightest bolts ever used in an open bolt blowback gun. I understand that it is probably not a good gun overall but it gives you a lot to think about in regards to Firearms design.
i have a feeling the cleaning rod holds together the stock to stop you losing the damn thing lol. you would easily notice when you picked up the gun if the rod was not inserted.
that makes for a good reason to not have made the stock one whole piece... also another reason that i can think of is if you want to hook your weapon somewhere, or hook something to it, like a belt, a strap, anything really...
In case anyone has the opportunity to visit the Dutch National Military Museum, it is well worth the time. It's a large, modern building with a huge amount of excellently maintained exhibits.
And they're apparently not too difficult about approaching the vehicles. The vehicles are blocked off by a low barrier but if you step over said barrier to look inside the staff won't get mad. As long as you do so carefully of course.
That's actually a really neat design! I couldn't even tell what it was from the thumbnail. Secret agents of the world: can you say _"untapped market?"_
I believe KLM airlines used a couple AR-10 rifles as defense weapon against polar bears on their routes over the arctic circle. And publicity of course. Stewardesses where supposedly trained to use these rifles. Not that compact but very interesting. Maybe this museum has one of those guns in their collection. If i remember correctly from my last visit to the NMM they had at least a of few AR variants and prototypes on display.
"In 1940's France Mp40 magazines were readily available." UNFORTUNATELY they were usually attached to a German soldier who was trying to shoot you with it....
Every time I come back to this video, I get awestruck about how nicely designed this gun is. Compact, foldable, and an action that can fit in your hand. Now the only question is how well it shoots...
bien sûr sa prononciation n'est pas aisée mais on sent bien son effort et sa bonne volonté. En outre je pense qu'il n'y a pas grand monde autour de lui pour le corriger ou le faire progresser.
Weeeeeel Ean, about that.... I guess you come as close as possible, but your pronunciations of “Gerãt Nr. 6” oder “Raketenbüchse” were kinda stereotype for an American... I know you try, and those Umlauts are a pain in the Buttstock...
A very interesting piece of design. I'll add my 2 cents: the mechanism actually makes for a very soft recoil, so crude stock is not an issue. Also, by dynamic and attached mass behaviour(impulse redirection by crank/rotation) mechanism is very close to Kriss Vector. A gun that was really ahead of its time.
That's a really clever mechanism. The rotation slows down the bolt movement when the internal peg is at 3 o'clock (delaying the blowback slightly) and at 9 o'clock (so that the next round has more time to get up the magazine).
I do not believe in absolutes, but after watching most of the videos on this channel, I've realized that it's absolutely impossible to not like listening to Ian telling a story about a gun :)
That looks like a perfect gun to stick in a tank. They don't need or want the blasted thing in the way until they take a hit and have to bail out at which point in time an ultra compact SMJ is exactly what they need to grab as they are leaving. Something they can use to discourage hostile infantry while they hastily advance to the rear.
Crazy how elaborate and simple at the same time 😮...the amount of space and weight gained by the system is breath taking.French really can engineer fabulous things..and at the same time..make chauchats! Thx Ian
I'd be doubtful of a complicated design, considering most firearms that I have personally seen, this is one of the simplest of designs. As for machining, yes, it may be a fair bit. If the SMG had a better chance for newer models, it could possibly be stamped or molded if it was not already, for mass production purposes.
It reminds me of the sten gun but even worse, maybe for a really small form factor it could help, but I think it is just too small for practicality still.
Dude, journalistic integrity for the win. Not editing the video to hide the panel struggle. Thank you. Easy sub. Seen several vids, but keeping that struggle in earned my respect.
I had a similar idea myself. This rendition is unbelievably elegant and so much more advanced than my idea. Debuit was clearly a very, very clever person. I'm very glad I saw this if I ever get the chance to work on my idea properly. I'd certainly be adding a great many of his concepts to my own.
One of the coolest old smg's I've ever seen! I just love the simplicity, I bet it still fires as good as the day it was made and virtually never failed except for ammo faults (if kept properly of course). Awesome Ian!
The National Military Museum definitely is a great place to visit if you are in the area, there's a sizable collection of both old and modern vehicles, airplanes and weapons. Everything is multilingual so no problem for foreigners (as most museums are in the Netherlands). It's located at an old military airfield that was used by both the Dutch and US airforce up until the end of the 1990s. They also sometimes do tours of the airfield so you can visit bunkers and hidden locations that are normally off limits, unfortunately they only do tours on special occasions.
Having worked with voitures from Renault, Citroen, and Peugeot, I feel this wacky and wondrous contraption is a classic illustration of an axiom from the automobile service business: " The French copy no one, and no one copies the French"....Great job as always, Ian!
white gloves are very old hat, I can imagine why this particular museum would use those rubber coated gardening gloves - they're grippier and harderwearing, and unlike white cottons, non-porous, keeping those skin oils off the blueing, etc. Most museums these days either give you latex-alternative gloves, or just ask you to wash and dry your hands
@@VioletEverlasting Except less unholy Swiss-watch inside! I had an idea for a rotary-breech like the G11 that used the rotation of the breech to extract and eject the case, long before I knew enough engineering to make it actually work!
If I'm being honest, durability notwithstanding, the rotary action idea is kind of brilliant, as a means of making a compact action without the need for things like long buffer springs
I am fully convinced that no one back then would've thought this was a gun when it is folded. Generally people of that period would imagine "guns" as a long piece of wood with lots of iron parts and a tube on it. Then you have this thing that looks like a random piece of machine some inventors carry around.
I'm quite surprised Ian didn't mention one of his favorite firearms the Suomi smg. The 71 round drum magazine is powered by a clock spring. Given it is an eternal part but still required for big fire power.
I'd really like to see this thing in action. I'm especially curious about the cyclic rate. Hopefully, Ian can get his hands on another one that is safe enough to take to the range.
Once he mentioned the Hotchkiss Universal, I read his mind. He thought "I'm havin this." Yes, Ian, have it. Have the shit out of it! And have Karl make a 2 gun based around concealed weapons. It shall be glorious!
apart from the huge number of low priced surplus available, the main drawback of the gun was an irregular rate of fire and a rather high incidence of jamming. looks like the clockwork mechanism is rather sensitive to dirt and powder residus.
@@florentleider222 small thing but a difficult disassembly process probably exacerbated the latter issue you mentioned; the gun might not be cleaned as often or as thoroughly due to a lazy user not wanting to put in the effort needed to get the firing mechanism opened up.
That's an extremely simple and clever design. The PM9 is obviously a funky French design BUT appears to be very sound. A modern version with attention paid to modern materials and EGONOMICS could possibly be a winner today.
Cutest and possibly coolest sub-gun ever :) This must be right up Ian's alley - it would sit very nicely next to the Hotchkiss! How many of this one were made? Any chance of finding one outside museums?
This was the first question that came to my mind when I saw the gun. It looks really uncomfortable. I kinda hoped Ian would have addressed this question.
Great Design, you'd think some other Manufacturers would have Made an Updated Version, to put on the Market, as a Take-down Survival Gun Perhaps! 😀👍 - Thanks Again Ian- 👍👍
That is a very interesting design. I see so many of these older firearms and wonder why modern technology hasn't been applied to some of the more solid concepts from the past.
Way back when I was a young boy, perhaps 10 or 11, Mattel came out with a "secret" gun. It was plastic, of course and a toy, however it folded up much like that MG, the magazine folded up like that, and, if memory recalls, the pistol grip folded up onto the magazine. I think when it all was folded up, it looked like a camera or some such object that would be easy to carry through a checkpoint. While I could never have afforded such a toy, I used to drool over them when they advertised on Saturday Mornings, which was my time to lay in front of the television and watch Rocky and Bullwinkle, as well as Magilla Gorilla.
Ian thanks so much for this video. I saw this gun on your website years ago and it started my interest in gun design/mechanics. so it was wonderful to see a video on it.
Very interesting system, really unique in innovation and technology for a submachine gun. Thank you for showing, because this is so decent and dissected you can not see this weapon in the display case!
Love the video... Ian you never fail to keep my attention with your videos and choices of unusual, rare and unseen firearms. Entertaining while at the same time educating :D
I watched this video when it came out and then a couple of times, just like this. Now it came to me.... They designed the stock this way, because otherwise you could just left the cleaning rod out and it can get lost. This way, you always have a cleaning rod with the gun, otherwise it can't be fired effectively. Genious.
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The fact that Ian forgot to or intentionally didn't edit out his struggle to get the cover off is brilliant.
Fun note: Merlin-Gerrin is still around. They make large circuit breakers among other things.
Lol
They were bought by Schneider electric.
“And to take it apart we have this button...”
*Almost a full minute of labored breathing and struggling*
“And one easy little button just like that and we have our assembly!”
Merde! Zut alors!
I've never wanted to see footage of a firearm firing so bad.
I know. I'd love to see the bolt rotating around. I wonder what the recoil is like?
+Avalon Run Its also going to be first upwards as the bolt moves back, than downwards as the recoil assembly rotates upwards. Weird and wobbly.
How do you he it???
The grip looks like it would be very awkward. Are you supposed to hook your thumb around the stock frame?
@@M.T....
"However, the force striking the back of the receiver would probably be very significant, especially since there is no action mechanism to delay the bolt going backwards and waiting for the pressure to drop."
The action mechanism is the flywheel. The force needed to spin the flywheel to get the bolt moving backwards is the same as if the bolt was three or four times heavier. The whole point of this action is that the weight is moved from the bolt into the flywheel so the bolt does not have to be as long or thick. This is the whole point of flywheel delayed mechanisms over straight-delayed blow back mechanisms. Straight-delayed use heavy bolts. Flywheel delayed use heavy flywheels and a transmission to achieve the same thing as heavy bolt. Lever delayed blowbacks use levers and mechanical advantage to do the same thing as a heavy bolt.
These are all just different methods of slowing down bolt movement so chamber pressures have time to drop. They all do the same thing and simply have different recoil, weight, and complexity aspects.
One of the things I love about this channel is Ian never seems like he's reading a script or even wrote a script. He just has all this knowledge up in that skull of his
for future viewers: Because he does, barring one or two exceptions he does *all these videos in one take* and while he doesn't necessarily write a full script he does make a series of cliff notes to emphasize alot of the times
French design philosophy: the French copy no one and no one copies the french
there wazs atime when USA prefered to adopt rather than copy : during WWI : tanks FT17, 155 Filloux gun, airplanes , machine guns, etc...
French tanks were the tank to have back in WW1.
.... except for the magazine, those can be taken from the Hunns...
You was speaking about RSA right ?
The fucking barrel is from the mp40
"Uh...Monsieur, we have a bit of an issue."
"Well? Spit it out, Jean."
"We had to replace our Gun Designeur last minute with a Jacque in the Box specialist."
Coitus Ergo Sum Excellent
I for one am supremely disappointed that this weapon does not play "Pop Goes the Weasel" during operation.
The Rogue Wolf It may not Pop the Weasel, but it will pop the poor sod standing in front of it!
you've got the only wounded-up positron shooter
Coitus Ergo Sum Can't we use the Origami specialist Jean?
Looks like something that Captain Nemo would have on the Nautilus
Ian, you forgot to mention why this gun wasn't commercially successful
Laird Cummings Which would make it a good gun for someone on the market for a small, concealable weapon. The vast majority of the public, however is understandably more interested in comfortable, performing weapons, since your average Joe has no need to shoot up a wedding or some such
It sounded like there was someone from the museum standing near him, when Ian said "thank you", probably didn't want to talk smack about a gun in their collection with them right there. that's my guess at least.
Jacob Graham He's in a Dutch museum talking about a wacky French SMG.
My point being: Restraint out of respect/courtesy is almost definitely not the reason. I'm sure he just forgot because it's rather obvious.
Maybe because it was french?
Spree killers don't need concealable as much. If they are planning a spree then they can deal with hiding a cumbersome object in a large package, etc. They choose their own timing and location. Concealment is primarily useful for hidden responsive tools. i.e. Security, police, civilian concealed carry.
After WW I I all common SMGs (except Thompson) were stamped steel and simple round tubes. And then a frenchman designs a 1920s style clockwork SMG with expensive machined parts and expects commercial success. Nice gun, wrong era.
doesn't look that expensive though
patents were frozen during the whole WWII so the inventor applied for patents in 1940 but did not get'em before 1946. Hence the different approach (milling, etc..) from post war designs. It's not certain that the inventor was aware of the stamped sheet process applied to the MP38 (in 1938) when Merlin Gerin (the company he worked with) submitted the patent.
The inventor designed also handguns, machine guns etc, without meeting commercial success.
That design could easily be adapted to 3d printing using elastic polymer spring because of the pull action the rotary design allows. This is especially true if chambered in rimfire.
@@randomweirdo2701 Indeed. This definitely is an idea worth pursuing.
...and then the mouse comes out and pulls on the cheese, the fan blows the boat across the bucket of water, the boat bumps a bowling ball which rolls down the hill and hits the back of the bolt, which pushes the firing pin forward, which fires the gun.
We got anither Tom and Jerry fan here!!
This made me genuinely lol
just get a revolver mouse trap
*Struggles intensely*
"One easy little button, just like that."
What a madman
So what I've learned of national firearms development from this channel is...
France: One step forward, one step sideways
America: Two steps forward, one step back
Germany: One step forward. We shall advance in a calm, logical und repeatable manner! And vhy is this pin not serial stamped?!
Russia: One step forward, one squat down. This is good place, da? We wait for others catch up.
China: One step Brevets, eighteen steps BROWNINGS
British: 50000 sideways steps never getting anywhere
Nonsense.....that eventually gets you to Germany where it gets finished!
Fien hahahaha man I wish I could give that comment more likes.
Switzerland: One step forward - step, which leads us to leg. Maybe knee? What else works like a human knee?
I know, let's make it a toggle lock!
-T-X-M- Nah, the Italians have definitely the take “one step forward, just let me reinvent how walking works first,” approach.
This has to be one of my favorite Firearms designs. It is just ingenious. And that has to be one of the lightest bolts ever used in an open bolt blowback gun. I understand that it is probably not a good gun overall but it gives you a lot to think about in regards to Firearms design.
yeah, I've never seen anything like it. however, I wouldn't be a huge proponent of winding up my gun
What are you talkin bout this is a great gun. We would have to see it shoot before we can make that call
i have a feeling the cleaning rod holds together the stock to stop you losing the damn thing lol. you would easily notice when you picked up the gun if the rod was not inserted.
The question was why not just make stock one whole thing instead tho
Does it possibly facitate removal of stock
that makes for a good reason to not have made the stock one whole piece...
also another reason that i can think of is if you want to hook your weapon somewhere, or hook something to it, like a belt, a strap, anything really...
I think it might be to take it off.
@@MrCh0o + the answer was just given hahaha
In case anyone has the opportunity to visit the Dutch National Military Museum, it is well worth the time. It's a large, modern building with a huge amount of excellently maintained exhibits.
Purlictor wapens en voertuigen :D
Purlictor people should also visit Overloon
And they're apparently not too difficult about approaching the vehicles. The vehicles are blocked off by a low barrier but if you step over said barrier to look inside the staff won't get mad. As long as you do so carefully of course.
Mjaaa well i liked to old location a lot better. Not in the least oc because we lived almost next door as a kid.
That's actually a really neat design! I couldn't even tell what it was from the thumbnail. Secret agents of the world: can you say _"untapped market?"_
is it just me or is this the most french gun ever? it even looks like the reciever it's wearing a kepi
It’s a snail gun !
looks like it would've been a good carbine for pilots
Blackwood Security Agree with you, very compact
I believe KLM airlines used a couple AR-10 rifles as defense weapon against polar bears on their routes over the arctic circle. And publicity of course. Stewardesses where supposedly trained to use these rifles. Not that compact but very interesting. Maybe this museum has one of those guns in their collection. If i remember correctly from my last visit to the NMM they had at least a of few AR variants and prototypes on display.
Definitely. It also seems good for VIP protective details.
John Hans it does not look good for that at all.
Imagine that thing in 22lr
"In 1940's France Mp40 magazines were readily available."
UNFORTUNATELY they were usually attached to a German soldier who was trying to shoot you with it....
Only for the first half of the decade. For the second half, I imagine the magazines would be readily available.
MGD PM9 smg, putting Funk to functional.
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Every time I come back to this video, I get awestruck about how nicely designed this gun is. Compact, foldable, and an action that can fit in your hand. Now the only question is how well it shoots...
Of course he pronounces the french correctly. He is the gun Jesus.
Except he didn't
bien sûr sa prononciation n'est pas aisée mais on sent bien son effort et sa bonne volonté. En outre je pense qu'il n'y a pas grand monde autour de lui pour le corriger ou le faire progresser.
Gun Je Suis
Weeeeeel Ean, about that.... I guess you come as close as possible, but your pronunciations of “Gerãt Nr. 6” oder “Raketenbüchse” were kinda stereotype for an American... I know you try, and those Umlauts are a pain in the Buttstock...
Really flawless pronunciation, gun Jesus 😄
A very interesting piece of design. I'll add my 2 cents: the mechanism actually makes for a very soft recoil, so crude stock is not an issue. Also, by dynamic and attached mass behaviour(impulse redirection by crank/rotation) mechanism is very close to Kriss Vector. A gun that was really ahead of its time.
the Swiss one has a cuckoo that pop's out..
yes, every time the togglelock opens: cuckoo!... (only the ones from W+F BERN tough)
Love the idea for this gun, but everytime I look at it I hear sounds of an old rotary phone.
Ah the rotary phone. The device that makes you HATE calling friends with 9s and 0s in their number.
That's a really clever mechanism. The rotation slows down the bolt movement when the internal peg is at 3 o'clock (delaying the blowback slightly) and at 9 o'clock (so that the next round has more time to get up the magazine).
Agree, it probably is a delayed blowback design. Think Ian should have mentioned it.
I do not believe in absolutes, but after watching most of the videos on this channel, I've realized that it's absolutely impossible to not like listening to Ian telling a story about a gun :)
That looks like a perfect gun to stick in a tank. They don't need or want the blasted thing in the way until they take a hit and have to bail out at which point in time an ultra compact SMJ is exactly what they need to grab as they are leaving. Something they can use to discourage hostile infantry while they hastily advance to the rear.
Crazy how elaborate and simple at the same time 😮...the amount of space and weight gained by the system is breath taking.French really can engineer fabulous things..and at the same time..make chauchats! Thx Ian
So why didn't this get more popular? Too complicated or uncomfortable to use?
n0la usually the reasons
I suspect because the mainspring tended to break, but I don't have any proof of that.
Rather unconventional, lots of cheap war surplus, small market in the first place. Also, that seems like a lot of machining for a subgun
or because it was just after ww2 and there were literally thousands of tons of surplus guns laying about.
I'd be doubtful of a complicated design, considering most firearms that I have personally seen, this is one of the simplest of designs. As for machining, yes, it may be a fair bit. If the SMG had a better chance for newer models, it could possibly be stamped or molded if it was not already, for mass production purposes.
As a french, i love when you speak french xD
omelette au fromage!
Kael Thas same here !
HON HON HON MON CHERIE
@@phileas007 XD
It doesn't look practical, but that's some lovely engineering.
It reminds me of the sten gun but even worse, maybe for a really small form factor it could help, but I think it is just too small for practicality still.
The fancy ones always are the least practical. :c
@@marshallperry2446The Sten is a disgusting backyard submachinepipe, this is clockworky weirdness. I can't see how they're similar.
Dude, journalistic integrity for the win. Not editing the video to hide the panel struggle. Thank you. Easy sub. Seen several vids, but keeping that struggle in earned my respect.
I had a similar idea myself. This rendition is unbelievably elegant and so much more advanced than my idea. Debuit was clearly a very, very clever person. I'm very glad I saw this if I ever get the chance to work on my idea properly. I'd certainly be adding a great many of his concepts to my own.
“Do you have a concealed carry on you sir?”
Me: really thinking it’s easier to explain if I say I have a bomb and 30 kilos of coke in my car
you meen like 6 kilometers from my house... damn did I just mis you for a handshake
One of the coolest old smg's I've ever seen! I just love the simplicity, I bet it still fires as good as the day it was made and virtually never failed except for ammo faults (if kept properly of course). Awesome Ian!
The National Military Museum definitely is a great place to visit if you are in the area, there's a sizable collection of both old and modern vehicles, airplanes and weapons. Everything is multilingual so no problem for foreigners (as most museums are in the Netherlands). It's located at an old military airfield that was used by both the Dutch and US airforce up until the end of the 1990s. They also sometimes do tours of the airfield so you can visit bunkers and hidden locations that are normally off limits, unfortunately they only do tours on special occasions.
Ian at the Dutch Museum? Pls tell me you revisited the contract AR-10s!
Now that' a wierd gun heh, love coming here and seeing guns I've never heard off :)
You don't say Sherlock!
this has got to be the most simple, yet cleaver and epic gun ive ever seen. i really want one of these!
Having worked with voitures from Renault, Citroen, and Peugeot, I feel this wacky and wondrous contraption is a classic illustration of an axiom from the automobile service business: " The French copy no one, and no one copies the French"....Great job as always, Ian!
I remember seeing one of these in a book about submachine guns a long time ago. Impossible to forget that rotary action, so unusual, and so compact!
7:49 -> struggles to take gun apart
*”ONE eAsY LITTLE BUTTON JUST LIKE THAT”*
Lol
You forgot to bring white gloves to the museum, so you had to go out and buy some gardening gloves?
white gloves are very old hat, I can imagine why this particular museum would use those rubber coated gardening gloves - they're grippier and harderwearing, and unlike white cottons, non-porous, keeping those skin oils off the blueing, etc.
Most museums these days either give you latex-alternative gloves, or just ask you to wash and dry your hands
+Eye Ore You can bet they wouldn't.
*Mechanic gloves, not gardening gloves... protect from grease and oils, not thorns and prickles.
Was hoping when I first saw that gun that the magazine remained forward and the round was rotated into position.
Me too.
Now that would be a compact SMG!
so you mean like a g11?
@@VioletEverlasting Except less unholy Swiss-watch inside! I had an idea for a rotary-breech like the G11 that used the rotation of the breech to extract and eject the case, long before I knew enough engineering to make it actually work!
@@ScottKenny1978 P90
@@solventtrapdotcom6676 yeah, that works, too, just that the rounds are on a different angle to the barrel than the g11.
The firing mechanism: highly comeplicated and exquisitly exclusive.
The stock:
what the fuck!? you were in my country? or is it just the name of the museum?
I was in the Netherlands last month.
awesome i am from the Netherlands how did u like it?
Forgotten Weapons greetings from holland
I had a wonderful time. It help that you all seem to speak excellent English. :)
Forgotten Weapons im happy to hear that hopefully you can come again to holland to show some other firearms to
If I'm being honest, durability notwithstanding, the rotary action idea is kind of brilliant, as a means of making a compact action without the need for things like long buffer springs
I am fully convinced that no one back then would've thought this was a gun when it is folded. Generally people of that period would imagine "guns" as a long piece of wood with lots of iron parts and a tube on it. Then you have this thing that looks like a random piece of machine some inventors carry around.
Guard catches you with it
"What's that you're carrying?"
"Oh, it's just my reciprocating retrovolumetrizer"
"Oh... I see. Of course! Go on citizen."
Wow, this is actually REALLY cool, the inside of it was actually more simple than I had expected.
Awesome, I love the guns with interesting mechanisms the most, thanks Ian!
I can not imagine a self loading firearm mechanism with less moving parts than this. Absolutely brilliant.
Are there any other firearms that use clock springs? (besides Wheellocks)
Yes, the Lewis did.
and that odd machinegun that used a clock spring and a rack&pinon mechanism....
I'm quite surprised Ian didn't mention one of his favorite firearms the Suomi smg. The 71 round drum magazine is powered by a clock spring. Given it is an eternal part but still required for big fire power.
As a history buff I appreciate the way you put the weapons on your sight in a proper historical context.
This is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. It's a damn shame this one didn't take off.
That is a slick way to fit a long spring into a small package. Vive la difference!
Looks like a Fallout weapon
I was thinking Metro, but yeah it really has that ad hoc look to it.
It is a old gun
The reciever of this thing and how it works are genuinly beautiful.
I'd really like to see this thing in action. I'm especially curious about the cyclic rate.
Hopefully, Ian can get his hands on another one that is safe enough to take to the range.
The compact ability is something you don't see anymore. I loved this one.
Once he mentioned the Hotchkiss Universal, I read his mind. He thought "I'm havin this." Yes, Ian, have it. Have the shit out of it! And have Karl make a 2 gun based around concealed weapons. It shall be glorious!
i like that you don't edit out your disassembly struggles!
3 reasons why this never caught on
1. It is a pain to take apart.
2. No pistol grip.
3. Probably difficult to reload.
It's obviously easy to reload
apart from the huge number of low priced surplus available, the main drawback of the gun was an irregular rate of fire and a rather high incidence of jamming. looks like the clockwork mechanism is rather sensitive to dirt and powder residus.
@@florentleider222 small thing but a difficult disassembly process probably exacerbated the latter issue you mentioned; the gun might not be cleaned as often or as thoroughly due to a lazy user not wanting to put in the effort needed to get the firing mechanism opened up.
Scratch the 3rd note. Every gun is easy to reload with enough practice.
I love how the French SMG design philosophy during this era was "make everything foldable/concealable!"
But can you use it as a fidget spinner???
OH. MY. GOD!!! Ian thank you very much! I was intrigued by this gun long time ago but could not find even a decent picture of it! THANK YOU!
Can I mount this on an RX-7
DOUBLE ROTARY POWER
That's an extremely simple and clever design. The PM9 is obviously a funky French design BUT appears to be very sound. A modern version with attention paid to modern materials and EGONOMICS could possibly be a winner today.
Cutest and possibly coolest sub-gun ever :)
This must be right up Ian's alley - it would sit very nicely next to the Hotchkiss!
How many of this one were made? Any chance of finding one outside museums?
Ooooh my home country. Never thought there would be anything interesting over here firearms wise.
Very interesting technique. Any chance to shoot one of this guns? I'm not sure if this work great ore not really.
Pretty slick way to handle inconsistent power levels in the cartridge without beating the receiver up.
@Ian:
Where are you supposed to put your right hand when you fire the gun from the shoulder?
gripping it around the stock seems very cumbersome.
Maybe thumb against the rear of the trigger guard, index finger on the trigger and just pinch?
This was the first question that came to my mind when I saw the gun. It looks really uncomfortable. I kinda hoped Ian would have addressed this question.
It seems pretty simple, yet over engineered. I love it
Imagine getting killed by a coat hanger
This gun is insanely cool. A modern interpretation in composites and other modern tech would be insane
hey ian, are you in the netherlands right now? I live there :D
No, I filmed this last month.
ahh right, should've said you were planning to go there, would have loved to say hi :D
Great Design, you'd think some other Manufacturers would have Made an Updated Version, to put on the Market, as a Take-down Survival Gun Perhaps! 😀👍 - Thanks Again Ian- 👍👍
is it rifled? and does technically count as a PDW?
That is a very interesting design. I see so many of these older firearms and wonder why modern technology hasn't been applied to some of the more solid concepts from the past.
kinda makes sense in a weird oddball french way.
Never thought id see a wheel lock submachine gun.
You never explained why this didn't catch on!?
I think the recoil springs probably broke a lot.
And it was prolly really expensive
No pistol grip
People prolly didn’t trust it cuz it was new weird and cool looking.
Prolly more reasons too
Was wondering when you were going to look at this little beauty! Quite a unique little thing!
bien joué
This one made me chuckle. But what a fascinating little piece of machinery.
*_N E A T O_*
NATO
Way back when I was a young boy, perhaps 10 or 11, Mattel came out with a "secret" gun. It was plastic, of course and a toy, however it folded up much like that MG, the magazine folded up like that, and, if memory recalls, the pistol grip folded up onto the magazine. I think when it all was folded up, it looked like a camera or some such object that would be easy to carry through a checkpoint. While I could never have afforded such a toy, I used to drool over them when they advertised on Saturday Mornings, which was my time to lay in front of the television and watch Rocky and Bullwinkle, as well as Magilla Gorilla.
No grip - check, magazine pointing a bizarre direction - check, useless skeletonized folding stock - check.
Yep it's french alright, that's for sure!
Ian thanks so much for this video. I saw this gun on your website years ago and it started my interest in gun design/mechanics. so it was wonderful to see a video on it.
Nederland!
Always wanted to see this gun in detail - thank you so much!
Very interesting system, really unique in innovation and technology for a submachine gun. Thank you for showing, because this is so decent and dissected you can not see this weapon in the display case!
Watching again because of rotary action. Luv rotation.
Love the video... Ian you never fail to keep my attention with your videos and choices of unusual, rare and unseen firearms. Entertaining while at the same time educating :D
That looks simple, convinient and reliable. It could've really changed the way the firearms are made.
I watched this video when it came out and then a couple of times, just like this. Now it came to me.... They designed the stock this way, because otherwise you could just left the cleaning rod out and it can get lost. This way, you always have a cleaning rod with the gun, otherwise it can't be fired effectively. Genious.
Thank you, I have always been fascinated by this SMG