The original Unovan dragon could represent reflection in an emotional sense. The titles Black and White represent Yin and Yang, but are also a play on the idea that things are not one side or the other, instead being a gray middle ground. It could represent reflecting on your ideals like N does throughout the story of BW.
The original dragon is made up of a yin and yang dynamic. Those elements could be seen as reflections of each other. I've also heard that the original dragon's makeup has alchemic themes so maybe it represents chemical.
Although Reflective in alchemy means some thing physical, I am thinking whether it could mean "the reflection of human thoughts". In this case, the original dragons fits into the category.
Also Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as well. So Knowledge to know how to see the Truth as well as bring your Ideals to life for Uxie. Emotions to bring the Truth to light as well as how Ideals are shaped by them. Willpower to pursue the Truth and your Ideals. So "The reflection of Human thoughts" are six beings now. Uxie, Mespirt, Azelf, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Also Light and Shadow/Darkness is a reflection of each othe.
Just thought about something. My theory what if Arceus is the Yolk/Baby/Being inside the egg. When there was nothing and it cracked. And Rayquaza,Kyreum,Zygard, Necromza,Eternatus and Gen9 Dragon also Future Gen Dragons. Are the Shell of the Egg for example crack piece or fragments of it that scattered the Universe when the Egg Hatched. That’s probably why some of those dragons come from deep outer space or hit the earth and fell in a deep slumber. Or lost their power/item that makes them powerful. Just what if all those dragons merge with Arceus or transfer their power to reveal the true form of Arceus. Or if they all transfer their power Arceus might revert back to a egg. Lol I know I’m all over the place here 😅my bad it just got me thinking 🤔
I think that someone or something is going to upset Arceus. It will justifiably lash out and that will be part of the reason as to why Hisui becomes Sinnoh. It'd also explain why there is little mention of Arceus in the Sinnoh games. Historians either omitted knowledge of Arceus either out of a desire to dig at the pokemon's authority, or out of shame for past transgressions.
I mean, according to his film Arceus hasn't done ANYTHING in the past 3000 years, he's been asleep that whole time and had only half of his elemental plates. The Hisui region is a paltry 300 years ago.
@@animorph17 Who's to say that the game follows the film's canon? I just think that amongst the cast introduced in Legends, someone will provoke Arceus.
@@NavyBlueDude "It'd also explain why there is little mention of Arceus in the Sinnoh games." Pretty sure the film already gave a far more comprehensive answer to something noted in the games. And when the game and the film both line up on something it's hilariously silly to try and call one of them non-cannon. Extra special bonus silly when time travel is so heavily involved.
I feel like reflection part for the original dragon could be rather than literal reflection, could be mental reflection, like truth and ideals which the original dragon could have been, and although I’m not 100% sure, I feel like kyurem is the original dragon (name I mean) but after it was split in three, the husk of our now modern kyurem reflects on what it needs, debating on truth or ideals, which is kinda poetic if you think about it
i was thinking it could be silvally/type null, not because of its physical qualities but because of its metaphorical nature as a reflection of arceus as created by man
Giratina could be a reflection or “mirror”, it’s the antitheses of Arceus and everything else on that list: Chemical and Life: Ontological laws are warped in the Distortion World and there is no living entities aside from Giratina. Light: Giratina appears often as a shadow, and often uses them for powerful, incorporeal attacks
And if you remember, in the movies where he appears with Dialga and Palkia, he used reflections to be able to appear. However, he must be missing something in order to gain a power similar to ultra-Necrozma or perfect Zygarde, maybe fuse with another powerful guy like Hoopa.
@@KrayZ_Kat you can also look at it this way, the lore obtained from the plates in DPPt/BDSP never claims that Giratina was created intentionally by Arceus to hold a specific purpose. Whether or not it was just struck from that story for it’s violence, or it’s role was assumed later is up to interpretation. But Giratina can probably absorb Palkia and Dialga like Arceus can and become a mirror of the “Original One” (whose name I’m personally assuming is “Sinnoh”).
@Howie Hall: I'm thinking that the Transformations Dialga and Palkia go through might have been them becoming *Possessed* by Giratina - thus the "Origin Forme" Title. If Giratina is indeed a member of this 'Archeus' of Dragons that rival Arceus in power, perhaps its ultimate potential comes from Ghost-like Possession of other powerful Pokémon! Both Giratina and Eternatus seem to portray the Darker elements of Infinity Energy, too. Both use a modified form of it to overpower Pokémon into a state where it desperately tries to release that energy, making it frenzied and uncontrollable. Giratina's ability to do this is important enough to make it onto the Plate Inscriptions, and is how Volo's been causing the Chaos in the Hisui Region. Giratina's ultimate goal of usurping Arceus' rule over the region required a significantly powerful Pokémon to control as its host in the Physical World, and the direct offshoots of Arceus' Power were ideal for its plans!
The ring around Arceus' body being a restraint...that's a very interesting idea. It could explain how we're able to fight on par with it in the games. The last theory was a very interesting one. Maybe Game Freak is going somewhere with this. On the other hand, I'm guessing they didn't think that far ahead. Still really fun to theorize about though!
@@No-Community1380spoilers for legends arceus: arceus the pokémon isn’t actually a god, it’s just an avatar for the physical world being controlled by the actual god form of arceus. they’re comparibly on-par with most legendarys. same with palkia and dialga
I love the idea of this MASSIVE multi-generational theory that pulls in all the big hitters from the last few years. Such a great catch up for all the theories related to Arceus.
your mention of the original dragon of unova reminded me of how hype we all were when this was first announced, hoping it'd be good and the start of a new offshoot of games so we could get Pokemon Legends: Unova and see the original dragon and that history play out, and after seeing the leakers saying how absolutely amazing it is just has me all the more excited. there's just so much lore potential that I can barely handle the thought!
I can definitely imagine the Arceus ring thing becoming a point of discussion in PLA, especially because it’s also on the back of the Arc Phone. I have my doubts about Eternatus being related to Arceus, but it’s an interesting thought. I definitely agree that Dynamax Energy is a variant of Infinity Energy. Ooh yes, The End series. It all comes together! Anyway I watched this on my 3DS :P
Also Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as well. So Knowledge to know how to see the Truth as well as bring your Ideals to life for Uxie. Emotions to bring the Truth to light as well as how Ideals are shaped by them. Willpower to pursue the Truth and your Ideals. So "The reflection of Human thoughts" are six beings now. Uxie, Mespirt, Azelf, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Also Light and Shadow/Darkness is a reflection of each othe.
What if the "One Thousand Arms" in Arceus lore were actually ~human arms~ wearing wristbands? Maybe it was just 1,000 people wearing bands with mega stones/Z crystals/dynamax bands/etc., or some prehistorical version of all of these things? And maybe this creation myth was more of a metaphor for unity than a literal creation event?
Okay, but what about Giratina? He always gets left out because there are no major myths about him, unlike Dialga and Palkia, yet he was created at the same time as those two.
Eternatus looks like a giant hand. Like one of the thousand hands of Arceus. Also I'm surprised Giratina wasn't mentioned as a piece of Arceus but Dialga and Palkia
Can we all just take a moment to remember what beta Arceus looked like? I wonder if the “original/complete” Arceus will look anywhere near that creepy abomination
Watching this video after the release of scarlet and violet is interesting, since the 3rd legendary we haven’t seen yet has some sort of giant reflective shell… which could be the reflecting dragon you were talking about!
I actually made a theory once that Pokemon aren't made of matter, in the same form as humans, but of different types of energy combined in different ratios. And if you could change the energy ratios in pokemon, those pokemon would change to be different species entirely. I think this theory fits super well with all of Pokemon's energy gimmicks as well.
That would very reasonably explain why pokemon disapear into motes of light when you drain their energy away, and why they flop without any apparent injuries when exhausted. So long as you don't keep smacking them after they faint, they are apparently immune to actual injury. But if you keep dealing damage beyond that threshold, keep attacking when they're down, then permanent injuries such as broken legs, bleeding wounds, gaping holes in their torso, or strait up death have all been shown. Binging through the anime I was surprised to find out just how much clout the job of the referee is given, and EVERY single instance of a pokemon having serious wounds after a fight have all been battles without a ref.
@@animorph17 on top of that.. when you heal ur Pokémon at the center, it literally looks like they are getting recharged. obviously pokemon get better on their own but maybe when healed by someone, they are recharged and that’s why it’s instant
@@kenneth0334 It's only instant in the games, the one part of the media that makes the least sense and doesn't have to portray a functioning world. In every other media pokemon centers take a day to fully heal the pokemon. The fact that pokemon take time to heal is a plot point, which has repeatedly come up to prevent Ash from winning the championship. There's nothing to say that healing the pokemon doesn't work by simply recharging them, that's entirely plausible. But the centers being instant would not be proof of such if it was the case, and are very obviously not the case, unless you want to exclusively get your evidence from the place where humans can never pass by the insurmountable waist high fence.
@@animorph17 I mean of course not and I see your point. I wasn’t thinking about the anime although obviously i typically look for connections in all sources. either way, we are both right that it makes sense that pokemon could possibly be recharged. even if it isn’t instant. I don’t 100% believe this theory personally but I definitely think they could easily make it canon
What if the pokemon that is "reflective" is a combination of the lake trio? The lake guardians are quite dull in terms of a trio in pokemon games, they're basically the same pokemon, Maybe they have a combined form that they split off from after being split off of Arceus?
For theory 5 could the reflective legendary be Giratina? Him being in charge of his realm where everything is the opposite (or reflective) of our universe. Tho I'm not sold on it due to him being equals to Palkia and Dialga.
Very interesting theories, the last one in particular. Also it might be worth noting that in the current generation, on one of those 4 powerful pokemon be be obtained: The original dragon - we don't even know what it looks like. Complete Zygard - you can get, kind of. It only really appears in battle under certain conditions. Ultra Necrozma - gen 8 has no z-crystals and so you can't have this pokemon form from the fused Necrozma. Also this form is battle exclusive as well. G-Max Eternatus - you can't g-max this pokemon after catching it, thus we can ignore that it's a battle exclusive form too because you can't even get it. This makes me wonder. If they do give us the original dragon, will it be obtainable? And if so, will it only be battle exclusive?
since we're here after scarlet and violet has released, what about the hexagonal legendary pokemon and the whole area zero thing? Is that pokemon the reflective one?
Idk if anyone has considered this, but i was thinking as I watched this that maybe the restraint on arceus stomach is still there because he wants it to be, because maybe if the restraint is gone he "re-absorbs" all the energy that created life therefore causing an apoloclypse to which arceus does want to do. He doesn't want to kill all the life that was created by his sacrifice
If I may add to the "1000 Arms" aspect of Arceus, what if you were to include a healthy majority of Legendary Pokemon on top of the enigmatic purposes of the Unown. With a few key exceptions like Silvally, Mewtwo, and Genesect, most of the Legendaries are in themselves deified for an aspect that they can govern/manipulate. For example- Lugia for tides and currents, Groudon for landmasses and their formation, Xerneas for life force, Ho-oh for rebirth, Shaymin for beauty and gratitude, and Solgaleo for the Sun for its light and warmth. They could all be beings created by The Original One to govern natural laws and aspects of the Pokemon world as we know it, and as such could all loosely tie back to Arceus itself as its "arms"
i’d love for gamefreak to link the original dragon with a part of arceus in PLA, but I think that would steal some light from all the hisuian forms and a potential new arceus form. so i don‘t think they‘ll do something along those lines until pokemon legends unova.
Maybe Giratina's the reflection? After all, the distortion world is a weird mirror of our own. Also, y'know, antimatter. Opposites. Reflections. Mulan.
What if the original dragon is somehow connected to the creation trio. Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina represent the three main forms of matter being solid, liquid, and gas respectively. The fourth form of matter is plasma, which the original dragon represents with the fire and electric elements.
You should team up with GameboyLuke and Charlieissocoollike since you all look as well as sound alike, also I wish I could befriend you in the Johto games just for rematches.
Great theory Toby!!! However, maybe Eternamax Eternatus is meant to be reflective, since in SwSh, it's stated that Dynamax 'and probably Eternamax) is nothing more than some kind of spacetime warping projection, AKA a reflection of light to make the Pokémon seem bigger. I'm not sure though, since it isn't really reflection from a scientific standpoint and more a projection, but I think those two lean very close to each other.
I have a couple thoughts on the last theory: I think that instead of Zygarde being life, wouldn’t it be Xerneas? Because I’m pretty sure that the X and Y legendaries are supposed to represent Life and Death. My next thought is on the reflective element. I was thinking that it would be Giratina because he lives in a world literally called “The Reverse World” (Although it is sometimes called the distortion world) Also, in the movie “Giratina and the Sky Warrior” he could only open the portals through reflections.
Girantina could be the reflective one to the set, hes the third to his set and resides in a world parallel to the normal world that could be viewed as a distorted reflection.
I'm really digging Theory #4 and #5 I do think that the myriad of energies involved in various phenomena such as Mega Evolution or Dynamax/Gigamtimax all stems from the same energy. I however would classify it like this: @: Primordial Energy or Chaos Energy Then Primordial/Chaos Energy then warps into one of three possible altered states of expression of that energy which then gives rise to these phenomena: -Light Energy: Chaos Energy refracted as radiation emitted from Ultra Necrozma which gives Totems their Power and Size, causes the existence of Ultra Space and Ultra Wormholes, which really seem to function more as Pocket Dimensions of Alternate Realities, and of course the Emergence and Prominence of the Z-Move Phenomena in Alola. -Cosmic Energy: Primordial/Chaos Energy which was distorted by the presence of Eternatus, which allows Power Spots to exist that allow Pokémon to Dynamax or Gigantimax in Galar. Like Light Energy, Cosmic Energy seems to also be responsible for opening up gateways to other dimensions and places as evidenced apparently by the existence of non-galar native legends appearing in the Max Raid Lair. -Infinity Energy: This is apparently Primordial Energy which has been altered by nature to give and sustain life, thus it is more like Life Essence as was mentioned in this video. Apparently, tapping into this Life Energy is what causes Pokémon to Mega Evolve. Yet this Energy can also be applied to open up Wormholes into Alternate Dimensions as well evidenced by the collaboration of the Mossdeep Space Center and Devon Corporation to solve the Meteor Crisis in ORAS Delta Episode. The one thing these 3 phenomena have in common is that A: They are altered states of the same Primordial Energy that came from when the Original One came to be and the universe was spawned and B: They all have the Power to open up gateways within the Time-Space Fabric into Alternate Realities and Dimensions. That's what I can infer from all this anyway, but this is an interesting theory nonetheless.
10:50 - I always considered Regigigas as that Pokemon. Lugia is the guardian of the sea, while Kyogre is the god of the sea. Ho-oh is the guardian of the sky, while Rayquaza is the god of the sky. Regigigas is the mover/molder of the land, while Groudon is the god of the land. 11:15 - I think the kings that controlled the original dragon were the heroes that controlled Zacian & Zamazenta. 13:55 - I think Palkia represents Life (Water is the staff of life), Dialga represents chemical (Steel is a chemical compound), Giratina represents light (most of its ghost type moves have "Shadow" in the name) & Arceus itself represents reflective (it reflects the type of the plate it holds).
All I want from LA is the same sense of comfort and escape the other games afforded me as a kid. As a 6 year old struggling with severe anxiety, exploring Kanto in Red helped me escape; exploring Johor in Silver distracted 8 year old me from a recent diagnosis of depression and OCD. When I was diagnosed with anorexia nervosa at 16, I picked up Sapphire for the first time in years and being back in Hoenn made me feel safe again. In recent years BOTW - which seems to have possibly been an influence in the development of LA - has given me some relief from worsening depression and helped me escape the four walls of various hospital rooms. If LA can help to lighten the shadows just a little, 29 year old me will be immensely grateful.
I'm really curious, as to which legendary Pokemon, will get a game next. my vote is for one involving, Psyduck. that would be crazy, since he was originally a psychic water type, in the Japanese comics and cartoon.
Spoilers…. At the end of the game, after catching every pokemon, you get to face Arceus and if you defeat him, you get a piece of arceus. This suggest that every time you catch an Arceus, you actually get a piece of it instead. This also means that you never actually face Arceus at full power. Just to look at how powerful arceus is at full power. You can face arceus again (which you can use the piece of arceus to fight with), but this time he is at level 100 and the fight is just to stun it for a while, so that you can use Arceus own power, which it lended to you, to fight it. So Arceus is only level 100, if it decide to use a fraction of its power.
I wonder how regional forms actually work. Before this game, I thought they all function on the princible of evolution, like Darwin's finches. After living in an area for a long time and after a lot of random genetic mutation, they assumed a form best suited for that habitat. But now with H-Decidueye we have a confirmed deviaton from that ruse. As far as I know, Rowlet is not native to Hisuie and it is more or less imported from elsewhere. The player's Rowlet is the only one that undergoes this new evolution because of a new habitat. This is not (darwinistic) evolution. This is adaption. The case of a singular animal learning to cope with a new situation without passing it's genetical information to its decendants. And since it's clear that H-Decidueye has not the same typing as the normal counterpart, this somewhat proves that typings are not completely genetic but can be adapted. I would say that any Pokemon that evolves from a global form into a regional form could be called adaption, meaning we should be able to trigger that form without the region necessarily being attached. Give Cubone a therapist and it changes from ground-type to fire-ghost. Raise Exeggutor in a greenhouse and it becomes a dragon. Even if it doesn't originate from Alola.
Interesting idea (and kind of good take... especially that I really doubt Pokemon could really become what they are just basing on darwinistic evolution itself, it has to be tied also to the infinity energy-bound nature - which perhaps is the reason why such drastic change are possible as form of adaptation) - especially that I love the idea that some regional form could possible be find in other regions, which are not native to them.
Some have the theory that since stilt owls (the hawaiian owl that inspired the line) aren’t extinct in the legends era decidueye hasn’t gained the ghost type adaptation so the hisui one is closer to a native alive one. Or perhaps there is an original grass-flying version in alola at the time
Spoiler: There is no new Arceus form, but there is an new Plate, the Legend Plate, that makes It all types at the same type, and It can fuse with Dialga and Palkia, turning into the Lord forms
Well, Legends Arceus kind of gave us the answer to the first theory. Arceus straight up tells us that what we see is only "a part of" itself. The boss fight also shows that it is capable of using the abilities of Dialga, Palkia, _and_ Giratina. I think it's safe to say that Arceus is definitely a god.
I personally like the Unown theory, cuz they always reminded me of the Runes in Norse Myth, which are said to the strongest form of Norse magic and at times literally described as "the genetic code of the universe" so they are very powerful. I always assumed the Unown where like that too.
It seems like the original Arceus may have been dragon type considering many legendries that were originally created from it are. On the other hand it could be a type that we never seen before.
All of these Sinnoh theories are taking me back to the release of Diamond and Pearl and how enamored my 10 year old self was with the myths and lore surrounding the region. Thanks for the videos Toby! Sinnoh is such a great source of lore!
For the last theories maybe all those Pokémon took his power. And in later game we get to see him take it back.or maybe there wasn’t a god Pokémon it could by just be the strongest Pokémon and has power like a god
I discovered a very interesting fan theory on Reddit as follows: We all know that Arceus gave life to Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina to govern creation. However, I believe there may be a fourth member of the trio. I'm speaking of the Original Dragon, the form that Kyurem, Reshiram, and Zekrom, once took. Let's start with the Creation Trio's typings. Dialga is Dragon/Steel, Palkia is Dragon/Water, and Giratina is Dragon/Ghost. The secondary types represent solid, liquid, and gas respectively. The fourth state of matter is plasma, only there's no dragon representing that... but there used to be. Reshiram and Zekrom's Fire and Electric types represent different forms of plasma, right? Add all that heat into one being and you would definitely get a being that represents plasma. If anything, plasma type would make a lot of sense in the Pokemon world as to solve the typing of the origin dragon, being Dragon/Plasma. In my own bias, Plasma does very well at covering many fan ideas for new type additions, such as cosmic, nuclear, sound, light, etc. I just think plasma fits these all really well and really is the missing type in Pokémon. Now, typing alone wouldn't be enough to place this dragon with the Creation Trio. It would need to have control over some fundamental aspect of reality. And I think that would be energy. Energy is the "why" for why pretty much everything happens in the universe. You have Reshiram and Zekrom, who represent the presence of energy, while Kyurem represents the absence. Sure, there are other types of energy beyond heat, but I can't think of a more fitting symbol of energy than the generators the Tao Trio have for their tails. Maybe the dragon would have an "inactive" mode where its body is frozen, and an "active" mode where the ice is completely gone and plasma surges throughout it. Something else that may point to it being a god is the concepts they're based off of. Zekrom represents Yin, Reshiram represents Yang, and Kyurem is the circle surrounding the two, Wuji. When Yin and Yang are bound by Wuji, they become [Taiji](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiji_(philosophy), and its potential becomes unlimited. In Taoist mythology, Taiji is the "Supreme Ultimate," which is the highest conceivable principle and that from which all existence flows. This ties perfectly into the theme of energy that the Tao Trio has going on. So we've got that out of the way. But I believe there's more evidence to be found in BW and BW2 to support a connection. In the postgame of Black and White, you receive the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous Orb from Ghetsis as a gift/warning. This never went anywhere, but perhaps Game Freak was planning more Sinnoh involvement in BW2 that time restraints/storage space couldn't handle. And this may not mean anything, but it's interesting to note that Ghetsis had control over the Creation Trio in the TCG. It could be another Fake Oak situation, who knows. Dialga, Palkia, Giratina In the postgame of Black 2 and White 2, the Creation Orbs are found in Dragonspiral Tower, the place where you encounter Reshiram and Zekrom. The game could have placed them in the Cave of Being, or maybe had someone hand them to you elsewhere... But why here, at the location most strongly associated with the Tao Trio? The Cave of Being. The Lake Trio are capable of restraining a Creation Dragon, and they've got a cavern that leads from Sinnoh directly to Unova. In the code of BW, Kyurem’s dragon stone is called the God Stone, which definitely confirms your fifth theory and may even place Kyurem as higher than the other elements of Arceus. As for reflection, I believe it refers to a reflection in philosophical terms, of which Gen 5 goes incredibly in depth with how the parts of the original dragon which split actually represent different philosophies of life. So that's my general theory. Does it hold up? Does it stretch too much? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I also have a thought on that Copy pasted from another OP I did Also Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as well. So Knowledge to know how to see the Truth as well as bring your Ideals to life for Uxie. Emotions to bring the Truth to light as well as how Ideals are shaped by them. Willpower to pursue the Truth and your Ideals. So "The reflection of Human thoughts" are six beings now. Uxie, Mespirt, Azelf, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Also Light and Shadow/Darkness is a reflection of each other.
I like to think Kuryems true form is a Electric/Fire when defeated went into a meltdown mode and then because of its great power broke itselfs with the help of maybe Keldeo attempting to cool it down to a point where the origonal dragon broke apart and became Zekrom and Reshiram and the leftover husk froze and ethier dused itself with thr keldeo to give it a way to cool doen or just froze and became an empty husk like Shedninja lol Idk if thr lore supports this but the fact Keldeo in thr mivies seemed young and that everyone knew it could do great things seems to me there was a previous Keldeo that couldve died but now even I feel like im reaching for straws xD
I’ve always assumed the Unown are way stronger than they lead on, for example Hidden Power can be any type just like the Arceus plates. I interpret the Unown the same as Bill Cypher from Gravity Falls, 4th dimensional being but when he projects himself into our universe he appears as a flat being. It would explain why they can perform feats like creating an egg with a being that holds dominion over space and time. Maybe one day we’ll get a Pokémon Legends: Unown
Would you choose to have this be the only Pokémon game we get this year but it has lots of secrets and new questions? Or for us to get a second game this year but legends doesn’t get a sequel
So once you capture Arceus he tells you the pretty much you're taking a little bit of him with you so that means that the Arceus that we capture is not the real one,pretty much a spec or a pinky of his many hands.
With the reflection part, three Pokes come to mind: - Hoppa, a powerful pokemon that can make wormholes in space to connect two universes just like a mirror. Maybe Hoppa has a unknow form and you need another pokemon to do it, maybe one pokemon that we haven't seen. Remember that in his movie, he handled legendaries as if he were a pokemon master... and even Arceus himself had to go down just to correct what he can do in his released form. -Kyurem, who is said to be the shell or remains of what he was before and also arrived in a meteor, rememeber this last part. Also, i think he lacks something to be able to combine at the same time with Zekrom/Reshiram, as if he was undecided ... maybe he lacks of the soul of the old pokemon ... and I really think that soul that he lack will be Giratina. Let's see. What if the current status of Dialga/Palkia/Giratina depends on each one of the lake trio, with Uxie being the one in charge of Giratina. Being Uxie the pokemon of wisdom, he used his wisdom to divide the powerful "Kyur-atina" with a logical paradox that ended up dividing it between truth and ideals, leaving the empty shell Kyurem and the pure soul without desires and prejudices Giratina. Perhaps that is why the myths refer to him being very aggressive, and it would explain why he was banished even to another dimension to get away from the other parts of him and avoid his reincorporation at all costs. That maybe the part missing of kyurem to fuse correctly, a soul to decide which part to embrace. Also, the original form of Giratina is the only one who looks like a soul without body. -Giratina, it is said that he is stronger than Dialga/Palkia but for now his power only seems equal to these. Although this one already has another form, maybe it will also receive another form with Arceus/Dialga/Palkia in future games. Also this pokemon was seen in the movies as being able to move between his world and ours using directly... yes, the reflections of things.
"Reflective" could be something other than the physical reflective property. Here it could mean reflecting internally, maybe on ones truths and ideals?
@Bird Keeper Toby On the point of Type: Null//Silvally in theory #1... You're partially wrong. Silvally was the original project, a "man-made God", the restrictive gear affixed to it was because it went berserk. The Project WAS originally called *Type: Full* to reflect Arceus's Abilities... Type: Null IS the "final form" because it was put in cryogenic storage after Aether Foundation terminated the project.
Ooohh definitely amazing theories but no.5 is absolutely crazy, people here in the comments section are talking about a number of different reasons why the Original Dragon could be reflective. I'm so hyped for this game coming to us in just 2-3 days.
It makes since that Arceus is just a shell or a husk that is left after the creation because when it holds a plate it takes on that type so maybe at one point it had all of the plates.
The Reflective Ether is said to be the "memory of Earth". Reshiram and Zekrom's Truth/Ideals dynamic could be representative of humanity's dreams and memories. I mean we already know that dreams are a big deal in Unova with the Dreamyard, Dream World, etc.
Maybe the 3rd legendary is SV is the reflective part of Arceus but I prefer it to be the Original Dragon Maybe there is a connection between it being called Original Dragon and Arceus being called the Original One
I see where you’re coming from *but* hear me out. What if the reflective part is the 3rd gen 9 legendary and then it all comes together in gen 10 (with which we should also have Unova remakes). So then maybe the original dragon ties them all together. I came up with this because of how the original dragon was split into the 3 legendaries, so maybe it has the ability to combine all of these legendary Pokémon into some kind of Arceus related Pokémon? We’ve never seen it’s power after all…
I believe that the Arceus we see in the game is only 0.000001 of the true Arceus and it spreads these base forms around the different universes whilst it governs the whole multiverse.
I was thinking Reflective to the reflection to one's self or what they see... like truth and ideal, just like Zekrom and Reshiram and who can combine Truth and Ideal? Kyurem. So the ice part might not be so far-fetched. As long as Gen 5 Remake DOES give us the image of Kyurem's true form or if Gen 9 is the reflection of everything.
Or the reflective is the Arceus we catch; it's the "reflection" of the Original One. The "hollow" remains of the original one, where the other forces left to inhabit the world.
I've been wondering since your video a while back on if Dialga and Palkia could be classified as Ultra Beasts, if Arceus also falls into that category. When the Arc Phone was revealed for LA, to me it immediately made me think of how advanced the technology of Ultra Megaopolis was compared to the standard pokemon world and wondered if, someone at some point traveled through ultra space to ancient Hisui in an attempt to track Arceus down. Perhaps they themselves were trying to assemble the Original One, and inadvertently attracted Necrozma instead...
3:31 All known Pokémon species...including each Unown forme & other alternate forms including Primals, Megas, and GMaxs...now greatly outnumbers 1,000. Perhaps that is what is meant by "...its 1,000 arms"...as in every Pokémon species & humans ARE the 1,000 arms which shaped the world.
As for the first theory... that's really more of and obvious fact than theory. I mean come on, Arceus so clearly ISN'T god. If he was, then catching him would never be possible (even if the event with him was cancelled it doesn't matter as it WASN'T for lore reasons), such things like the meteorite from the movie or some liquid metal (or whatever that is) could never actually do any damage to him, and he couldn't be just "splitter" into different parts and get "weakened" by giving some of his power. As You can't really divide infinity, neither substracting anything from it would actually change anything. He also couldn't be tricked AT ALL. I mean any creature which isn't omnipotent and omniscient... that just too less to be called god (I mean already Aristotle (or maybe I confuse him with some other greek philosopher, but it doesn't matter that much) knew that idea of god who isn't omnipotent, omniscient the only one and generally a perfect being, and absolute is just ridiculous and make completely no sense... yeah he wasn't probably very much liked from that assumption as it contradicted all the polytheistic beliefs which were so common these days but he just was right). So - even considering that Japanese term "kami" (which is usually used as translation of a god) is way weaker than even most politeistic "gods" - Arceus clearly can't be one (also if it would be supposed to be even slightly starting to be a little bit similar to believable then he in-game - assuming max level is 100 - should be at least at 200 level. Or even 10 000 level, yeah I know it most likely wouldn't be good for gameplay and even worse still wouldn't give him justice actually...). So it's not actually a theory but rather a blatant fact that Arceus isn't even actually near to be a god (as You can be actually near of infinity, as it always will be... infinitely far) What he CAN be is JUST a most powerful creature (beside actual god), or some kind of god's messenger, and angelic being of sorts who was kinda designated to form the world in god's name (with the help of these 1000 arms, which may have been the Unown) and protect it, but at the same time still was a "regular" creature of finite power (which either then was splitter to some of the other Sinnoh legendares or they were created to help him with his task). Or maybe even he wasn't send by a god... Also the pokedex entry itself actually saying about SHAPING the world, not creating it. (And yes I know most legendaries are considered genderless, but it the movie his voice definitely was masculine, so I kinda consider him a male. Especially that he isn't god. And on the other hand referring to Arceus (or any pokemon) as "it" feels just degrading to given pokemon, objectifying "it") Also the code of the Pokemon World... interesting choose of world. But it wouldn't make sense if pokemon wasn't a game. (I know it is but I don't say it from our perspective but from in-game perspective, from the lore stand point) Except... there is a layer of reality that we could refer to as its source code... (which itself can be more true than we think, considering implications of Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum mechanics...) and unown - when there's more of them - can access and modify this code... And Eternatus as one of "1000 hands of Arceus"... nah I don't think it's likely (also there's no "godly" Pokemons :P If they were they couldn't be confined or defeated by a mortal). But eterna max energy being the same what infinity energy... that sounds interesting (even though I don't like the dynamax idea, seems like a cheap rip off megas and Z-moves). I really wish the topic of these energies or different manifestation of the same energy was more developed - especially the anime as this is the part of the franchise I care most about - as it's one of the most interesting concept in the Pokemon franchise. - especially the anime as this is
Then again tho i like the idea of all four of them being elements of the Archeus as a cosmic concept Like the Sinnoh legends certainly came from the Original One, or in my mind bc of the Lockstin, The Archeus, but to me its more so Arceus emerged from The Archeus and FROM Arceus the other Sinnoh Legends while with the Eternatus, Perfect Ce-- I mean 100% Form Zygarde, Perfect Necrozma, and the Original Dragon, they are all like directly part of the Archeus Idk seems cool to me
Here's an idea-- What if the "reflective" Pokemon is Ditto? As it literally transforms and reflects it's opponent~ That, or the combination of Mew and Mewtwo. Reflection can apply countless ways between those Pokemon
On the video surrounding Sinnoh legends, I was thinking about the passage where “humans and Pokémon were once the same, married, had children…” and I think it refers to the fact that humans were evolved from pokemon, similar to how people in the real world are evolved from what seems more like the average, unintelligent apes. It would make a lot of sense, and there are a lot of human like pokemon as well.
The original Unovan dragon could represent reflection in an emotional sense. The titles Black and White represent Yin and Yang, but are also a play on the idea that things are not one side or the other, instead being a gray middle ground. It could represent reflecting on your ideals like N does throughout the story of BW.
Exactly
@@Lumberjack_king Wow! Deep
@@mccyndaquil21 lol
We seriously need a Pokémon Legends Kyurem already.
I have an idea, what if its origin Dialga/Palkia as in Legends they try harness Arceus' power to "reflect" it
The original dragon is made up of a yin and yang dynamic. Those elements could be seen as reflections of each other. I've also heard that the original dragon's makeup has alchemic themes so maybe it represents chemical.
Although Reflective in alchemy means some thing physical, I am thinking whether it could mean "the reflection of human thoughts". In this case, the original dragons fits into the category.
Also Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as well. So Knowledge to know how to see the Truth as well as bring your Ideals to life for Uxie. Emotions to bring the Truth to light as well as how Ideals are shaped by them. Willpower to pursue the Truth and your Ideals. So "The reflection of Human thoughts" are six beings now. Uxie, Mespirt, Azelf, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Also Light and Shadow/Darkness is a reflection of each othe.
I was thinking the same
We will require GameboyLuke and Charlieissocoollike to help us figure it out.
Just thought about something.
My theory what if Arceus is the Yolk/Baby/Being inside the egg.
When there was nothing and it cracked.
And Rayquaza,Kyreum,Zygard,
Necromza,Eternatus and Gen9 Dragon also Future Gen Dragons.
Are the Shell of the Egg for example crack piece or fragments of it that scattered the Universe when the Egg Hatched.
That’s probably why some of those dragons come from deep outer space or hit the earth and fell in a deep slumber.
Or lost their power/item that makes them powerful.
Just what if all those dragons merge with Arceus or transfer their power to reveal the true form of Arceus.
Or if they all transfer their power Arceus might revert back to a egg.
Lol I know I’m all over the place here 😅my bad it just got me thinking 🤔
I think that someone or something is going to upset Arceus. It will justifiably lash out and that will be part of the reason as to why Hisui becomes Sinnoh. It'd also explain why there is little mention of Arceus in the Sinnoh games. Historians either omitted knowledge of Arceus either out of a desire to dig at the pokemon's authority, or out of shame for past transgressions.
Or perhaps out of fear, so that no one disturbs it again.
I mean, according to his film Arceus hasn't done ANYTHING in the past 3000 years, he's been asleep that whole time and had only half of his elemental plates. The Hisui region is a paltry 300 years ago.
@@animorph17 Who's to say that the game follows the film's canon? I just think that amongst the cast introduced in Legends, someone will provoke Arceus.
@@NavyBlueDude "It'd also explain why there is little mention of Arceus in the Sinnoh games." Pretty sure the film already gave a far more comprehensive answer to something noted in the games. And when the game and the film both line up on something it's hilariously silly to try and call one of them non-cannon. Extra special bonus silly when time travel is so heavily involved.
It's rarely mentioned In hisui but it is known in modern sinnoh
I feel like reflection part for the original dragon could be rather than literal reflection, could be mental reflection, like truth and ideals which the original dragon could have been, and although I’m not 100% sure, I feel like kyurem is the original dragon (name I mean) but after it was split in three, the husk of our now modern kyurem reflects on what it needs, debating on truth or ideals, which is kinda poetic if you think about it
Dang this lore is deep
Ying and Yang are reflections of one another. Maybe that's where that could fit in?
i was thinking it could be silvally/type null, not because of its physical qualities but because of its metaphorical nature as a reflection of arceus as created by man
This is genius, Toby needs to see this
@@J75Pootle toby is a nice name like naruto character
Giratina could be a reflection or “mirror”, it’s the antitheses of Arceus and everything else on that list:
Chemical and Life: Ontological laws are warped in the Distortion World and there is no living entities aside from Giratina.
Light: Giratina appears often as a shadow, and often uses them for powerful, incorporeal attacks
Exactly what I was thinking man!
And if you remember, in the movies where he appears with Dialga and Palkia, he used reflections to be able to appear. However, he must be missing something in order to gain a power similar to ultra-Necrozma or perfect Zygarde, maybe fuse with another powerful guy like Hoopa.
@@KrayZ_Kat you can also look at it this way, the lore obtained from the plates in DPPt/BDSP never claims that Giratina was created intentionally by Arceus to hold a specific purpose. Whether or not it was just struck from that story for it’s violence, or it’s role was assumed later is up to interpretation. But Giratina can probably absorb Palkia and Dialga like Arceus can and become a mirror of the “Original One” (whose name I’m personally assuming is “Sinnoh”).
That is really not how it works
Giratina is the antitheses of Dialga and Palkia
Arceus is above them all with them being mere fragments of itself
@Howie Hall: I'm thinking that the Transformations Dialga and Palkia go through might have been them becoming *Possessed* by Giratina - thus the "Origin Forme" Title. If Giratina is indeed a member of this 'Archeus' of Dragons that rival Arceus in power, perhaps its ultimate potential comes from Ghost-like Possession of other powerful Pokémon!
Both Giratina and Eternatus seem to portray the Darker elements of Infinity Energy, too. Both use a modified form of it to overpower Pokémon into a state where it desperately tries to release that energy, making it frenzied and uncontrollable. Giratina's ability to do this is important enough to make it onto the Plate Inscriptions, and is how Volo's been causing the Chaos in the Hisui Region. Giratina's ultimate goal of usurping Arceus' rule over the region required a significantly powerful Pokémon to control as its host in the Physical World, and the direct offshoots of Arceus' Power were ideal for its plans!
The ring around Arceus' body being a restraint...that's a very interesting idea. It could explain how we're able to fight on par with it in the games.
The last theory was a very interesting one. Maybe Game Freak is going somewhere with this. On the other hand, I'm guessing they didn't think that far ahead. Still really fun to theorize about though!
Palkia with ring becomes orgin palkia
Arceus his ring has all type elements init
Doest this mean that if you combine all fragments an put it in the ring orgin arceus could be made
@@No-Community1380spoilers for legends arceus:
arceus the pokémon isn’t actually a god, it’s just an avatar for the physical world being controlled by the actual god form of arceus. they’re comparibly on-par with most legendarys. same with palkia and dialga
I love the idea of this MASSIVE multi-generational theory that pulls in all the big hitters from the last few years. Such a great catch up for all the theories related to Arceus.
your mention of the original dragon of unova reminded me of how hype we all were when this was first announced, hoping it'd be good and the start of a new offshoot of games so we could get Pokemon Legends: Unova and see the original dragon and that history play out, and after seeing the leakers saying how absolutely amazing it is just has me all the more excited. there's just so much lore potential that I can barely handle the thought!
I can definitely imagine the Arceus ring thing becoming a point of discussion in PLA, especially because it’s also on the back of the Arc Phone.
I have my doubts about Eternatus being related to Arceus, but it’s an interesting thought.
I definitely agree that Dynamax Energy is a variant of Infinity Energy.
Ooh yes, The End series. It all comes together!
Anyway I watched this on my 3DS :P
The Unova legends could be reflective in a metaphorical sense, internal reflection of values, truth Vs ideals
@Bruno Caruso You're 100% right, let's edit that text shall we haha
Kalos is Life and Death.
Also Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as well. So Knowledge to know how to see the Truth as well as bring your Ideals to life for Uxie. Emotions to bring the Truth to light as well as how Ideals are shaped by them. Willpower to pursue the Truth and your Ideals. So "The reflection of Human thoughts" are six beings now. Uxie, Mespirt, Azelf, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Also Light and Shadow/Darkness is a reflection of each othe.
What if the "One Thousand Arms" in Arceus lore were actually ~human arms~ wearing wristbands? Maybe it was just 1,000 people wearing bands with mega stones/Z crystals/dynamax bands/etc., or some prehistorical version of all of these things? And maybe this creation myth was more of a metaphor for unity than a literal creation event?
Missed opportunity to call it "Hisu-week"
Okay, but what about Giratina? He always gets left out because there are no major myths about him, unlike Dialga and Palkia, yet he was created at the same time as those two.
Yes there is, he literally create death and so he was banished to the distortion world.
Eternatus looks like a giant hand. Like one of the thousand hands of Arceus. Also I'm surprised Giratina wasn't mentioned as a piece of Arceus but Dialga and Palkia
What if eternatus is a rogue hand or perhaps one of the thousand hands
Origin Form Arceus definitely sounds like something I want to see, yet would be terrifying to encounter
Imagine if it just looks like the beta design.
@@pkmntrainermark8881 Strangely I’d be okay with that
*Lillie pet Type: Null* You will protect me?
*Her friendship soon grew a strong enough bond and break out of helmets*
Can we all just take a moment to remember what beta Arceus looked like? I wonder if the “original/complete” Arceus will look anywhere near that creepy abomination
Watching this video after the release of scarlet and violet is interesting, since the 3rd legendary we haven’t seen yet has some sort of giant reflective shell… which could be the reflecting dragon you were talking about!
What if the big dragon type legendaries are all part of arceus especially 100% Zygarde, Ultra Necrozma, Eternamax Eternatus and Tera Form Terapagos
I actually made a theory once that Pokemon aren't made of matter, in the same form as humans, but of different types of energy combined in different ratios. And if you could change the energy ratios in pokemon, those pokemon would change to be different species entirely. I think this theory fits super well with all of Pokemon's energy gimmicks as well.
That would very reasonably explain why pokemon disapear into motes of light when you drain their energy away, and why they flop without any apparent injuries when exhausted. So long as you don't keep smacking them after they faint, they are apparently immune to actual injury. But if you keep dealing damage beyond that threshold, keep attacking when they're down, then permanent injuries such as broken legs, bleeding wounds, gaping holes in their torso, or strait up death have all been shown. Binging through the anime I was surprised to find out just how much clout the job of the referee is given, and EVERY single instance of a pokemon having serious wounds after a fight have all been battles without a ref.
@@animorph17 on top of that.. when you heal ur Pokémon at the center, it literally looks like they are getting recharged. obviously pokemon get better on their own but maybe when healed by someone, they are recharged and that’s why it’s instant
@@kenneth0334 It's only instant in the games, the one part of the media that makes the least sense and doesn't have to portray a functioning world. In every other media pokemon centers take a day to fully heal the pokemon. The fact that pokemon take time to heal is a plot point, which has repeatedly come up to prevent Ash from winning the championship. There's nothing to say that healing the pokemon doesn't work by simply recharging them, that's entirely plausible. But the centers being instant would not be proof of such if it was the case, and are very obviously not the case, unless you want to exclusively get your evidence from the place where humans can never pass by the insurmountable waist high fence.
@@animorph17 I mean of course not and I see your point. I wasn’t thinking about the anime although obviously i typically look for connections in all sources. either way, we are both right that it makes sense that pokemon could possibly be recharged. even if it isn’t instant.
I don’t 100% believe this theory personally but I definitely think they could easily make it canon
What if the pokemon that is "reflective" is a combination of the lake trio? The lake guardians are quite dull in terms of a trio in pokemon games, they're basically the same pokemon, Maybe they have a combined form that they split off from after being split off of Arceus?
Necrozma is the Prism Pokemon. I feel it would fit the reflective category much better.
For theory 5 could the reflective legendary be Giratina? Him being in charge of his realm where everything is the opposite (or reflective) of our universe. Tho I'm not sold on it due to him being equals to Palkia and Dialga.
Very interesting theories, the last one in particular. Also it might be worth noting that in the current generation, on one of those 4 powerful pokemon be be obtained:
The original dragon - we don't even know what it looks like.
Complete Zygard - you can get, kind of. It only really appears in battle under certain conditions.
Ultra Necrozma - gen 8 has no z-crystals and so you can't have this pokemon form from the fused Necrozma. Also this form is battle exclusive as well.
G-Max Eternatus - you can't g-max this pokemon after catching it, thus we can ignore that it's a battle exclusive form too because you can't even get it.
This makes me wonder. If they do give us the original dragon, will it be obtainable? And if so, will it only be battle exclusive?
since we're here after scarlet and violet has released, what about the hexagonal legendary pokemon and the whole area zero thing? Is that pokemon the reflective one?
Idk if anyone has considered this, but i was thinking as I watched this that maybe the restraint on arceus stomach is still there because he wants it to be, because maybe if the restraint is gone he "re-absorbs" all the energy that created life therefore causing an apoloclypse to which arceus does want to do. He doesn't want to kill all the life that was created by his sacrifice
What if Reflective is Giratina? Didn’t they call its world the “Mirror World” in the movie?
If I may add to the "1000 Arms" aspect of Arceus, what if you were to include a healthy majority of Legendary Pokemon on top of the enigmatic purposes of the Unown. With a few key exceptions like Silvally, Mewtwo, and Genesect, most of the Legendaries are in themselves deified for an aspect that they can govern/manipulate. For example- Lugia for tides and currents, Groudon for landmasses and their formation, Xerneas for life force, Ho-oh for rebirth, Shaymin for beauty and gratitude, and Solgaleo for the Sun for its light and warmth. They could all be beings created by The Original One to govern natural laws and aspects of the Pokemon world as we know it, and as such could all loosely tie back to Arceus itself as its "arms"
reflection could represent the disk pokemon in Scarlet and violet books as well
i’d love for gamefreak to link the original dragon with a part of arceus in PLA, but I think that would steal some light from all the hisuian forms and a potential new arceus form. so i don‘t think they‘ll do something along those lines until pokemon legends unova.
Maybe Giratina's the reflection? After all, the distortion world is a weird mirror of our own. Also, y'know, antimatter. Opposites. Reflections.
Mulan.
What if the original dragon is somehow connected to the creation trio. Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina represent the three main forms of matter being solid, liquid, and gas respectively. The fourth form of matter is plasma, which the original dragon represents with the fire and electric elements.
You should team up with GameboyLuke and Charlieissocoollike since you all look as well as sound alike, also I wish I could befriend you in the Johto games just for rematches.
Great theory Toby!!! However, maybe Eternamax Eternatus is meant to be reflective, since in SwSh, it's stated that Dynamax 'and probably Eternamax) is nothing more than some kind of spacetime warping projection, AKA a reflection of light to make the Pokémon seem bigger. I'm not sure though, since it isn't really reflection from a scientific standpoint and more a projection, but I think those two lean very close to each other.
I have a couple thoughts on the last theory: I think that instead of Zygarde being life, wouldn’t it be Xerneas? Because I’m pretty sure that the X and Y legendaries are supposed to represent Life and Death. My next thought is on the reflective element. I was thinking that it would be Giratina because he lives in a world literally called “The Reverse World” (Although it is sometimes called the distortion world) Also, in the movie “Giratina and the Sky Warrior” he could only open the portals through reflections.
Girantina could be the reflective one to the set, hes the third to his set and resides in a world parallel to the normal world that could be viewed as a distorted reflection.
I like this one a lot.
Very interesting. As for theory 2, Unown are sort of like biblically accurate angels with wheels and eyes everywhere
The original dragon would probably reflect all beings cuz ideals and truth combined
I'm really digging Theory #4 and #5
I do think that the myriad of energies involved in various phenomena such as Mega Evolution or Dynamax/Gigamtimax all stems from the same energy.
I however would classify it like this:
@: Primordial Energy or Chaos Energy
Then Primordial/Chaos Energy then warps into one of three possible altered states of expression of that energy which then gives rise to these phenomena:
-Light Energy: Chaos Energy refracted as radiation emitted from Ultra Necrozma which gives Totems their Power and Size, causes the existence of Ultra Space and Ultra Wormholes, which really seem to function more as Pocket Dimensions of Alternate Realities, and of course the Emergence and Prominence of the Z-Move Phenomena in Alola.
-Cosmic Energy: Primordial/Chaos Energy which was distorted by the presence of Eternatus, which allows Power Spots to exist that allow Pokémon to Dynamax or Gigantimax in Galar. Like Light Energy, Cosmic Energy seems to also be responsible for opening up gateways to other dimensions and places as evidenced apparently by the existence of non-galar native legends appearing in the Max Raid Lair.
-Infinity Energy: This is apparently Primordial Energy which has been altered by nature to give and sustain life, thus it is more like Life Essence as was mentioned in this video. Apparently, tapping into this Life Energy is what causes Pokémon to Mega Evolve. Yet this Energy can also be applied to open up Wormholes into Alternate Dimensions as well evidenced by the collaboration of the Mossdeep Space Center and Devon Corporation to solve the Meteor Crisis in ORAS Delta Episode.
The one thing these 3 phenomena have in common is that A: They are altered states of the same Primordial Energy that came from when the Original One came to be and the universe was spawned and B: They all have the Power to open up gateways within the Time-Space Fabric into Alternate Realities and Dimensions.
That's what I can infer from all this anyway, but this is an interesting theory nonetheless.
No new Arcues form in LA, I’m super bummed too.
10:50 - I always considered Regigigas as that Pokemon. Lugia is the guardian of the sea, while Kyogre is the god of the sea. Ho-oh is the guardian of the sky, while Rayquaza is the god of the sky. Regigigas is the mover/molder of the land, while Groudon is the god of the land.
11:15 - I think the kings that controlled the original dragon were the heroes that controlled Zacian & Zamazenta.
13:55 - I think Palkia represents Life (Water is the staff of life), Dialga represents chemical (Steel is a chemical compound), Giratina represents light (most of its ghost type moves have "Shadow" in the name) & Arceus itself represents reflective (it reflects the type of the plate it holds).
All I want from LA is the same sense of comfort and escape the other games afforded me as a kid. As a 6 year old struggling with severe anxiety, exploring Kanto in Red helped me escape; exploring Johor in Silver distracted 8 year old me from a recent diagnosis of depression and OCD. When I was diagnosed with anorexia nervosa at 16, I picked up Sapphire for the first time in years and being back in Hoenn made me feel safe again. In recent years BOTW - which seems to have possibly been an influence in the development of LA - has given me some relief from worsening depression and helped me escape the four walls of various hospital rooms. If LA can help to lighten the shadows just a little, 29 year old me will be immensely grateful.
Life essence is probably the most dangerous thing in Pokémon!
I'm really curious, as to which legendary Pokemon, will get a game next. my vote is for one involving, Psyduck. that would be crazy, since he was originally a psychic water type, in the Japanese comics and cartoon.
Spoilers….
At the end of the game, after catching every pokemon, you get to face Arceus and if you defeat him, you get a piece of arceus. This suggest that every time you catch an Arceus, you actually get a piece of it instead. This also means that you never actually face Arceus at full power. Just to look at how powerful arceus is at full power. You can face arceus again (which you can use the piece of arceus to fight with), but this time he is at level 100 and the fight is just to stun it for a while, so that you can use Arceus own power, which it lended to you, to fight it. So Arceus is only level 100, if it decide to use a fraction of its power.
I wonder how regional forms actually work. Before this game, I thought they all function on the princible of evolution, like Darwin's finches. After living in an area for a long time and after a lot of random genetic mutation, they assumed a form best suited for that habitat.
But now with H-Decidueye we have a confirmed deviaton from that ruse. As far as I know, Rowlet is not native to Hisuie and it is more or less imported from elsewhere. The player's Rowlet is the only one that undergoes this new evolution because of a new habitat. This is not (darwinistic) evolution. This is adaption. The case of a singular animal learning to cope with a new situation without passing it's genetical information to its decendants. And since it's clear that H-Decidueye has not the same typing as the normal counterpart, this somewhat proves that typings are not completely genetic but can be adapted.
I would say that any Pokemon that evolves from a global form into a regional form could be called adaption, meaning we should be able to trigger that form without the region necessarily being attached. Give Cubone a therapist and it changes from ground-type to fire-ghost. Raise Exeggutor in a greenhouse and it becomes a dragon. Even if it doesn't originate from Alola.
Pretty sure the starters can be found in the wild so maybe theses are the original forms
Interesting idea (and kind of good take... especially that I really doubt Pokemon could really become what they are just basing on darwinistic evolution itself, it has to be tied also to the infinity energy-bound nature - which perhaps is the reason why such drastic change are possible as form of adaptation) - especially that I love the idea that some regional form could possible be find in other regions, which are not native to them.
Some have the theory that since stilt owls (the hawaiian owl that inspired the line) aren’t extinct in the legends era decidueye hasn’t gained the ghost type adaptation so the hisui one is closer to a native alive one. Or perhaps there is an original grass-flying version in alola at the time
Spoiler:
There is no new Arceus form, but there is an new Plate, the Legend Plate, that makes It all types at the same type, and It can fuse with Dialga and Palkia, turning into the Lord forms
Well, Legends Arceus kind of gave us the answer to the first theory. Arceus straight up tells us that what we see is only "a part of" itself. The boss fight also shows that it is capable of using the abilities of Dialga, Palkia, _and_ Giratina.
I think it's safe to say that Arceus is definitely a god.
@birdkeeperToby do you now think that Terapagos could be the reflective part to the original Arceus?
I personally like the Unown theory, cuz they always reminded me of the Runes in Norse Myth, which are said to the strongest form of Norse magic and at times literally described as "the genetic code of the universe" so they are very powerful.
I always assumed the Unown where like that too.
It seems like the original Arceus may have been dragon type considering many legendries that were originally created from it are. On the other hand it could be a type that we never seen before.
Arceus original forme will come with dlc maybeee
I can't decide between Cyndaquil or Oshawott
Don’t worry dude, pick your favorite of them all now. Once you’re done with the story, the professor gives you the other two! 🙂
All of these Sinnoh theories are taking me back to the release of Diamond and Pearl and how enamored my 10 year old self was with the myths and lore surrounding the region. Thanks for the videos Toby! Sinnoh is such a great source of lore!
For the last theories maybe all those Pokémon took his power. And in later game we get to see him take it back.or maybe there wasn’t a god Pokémon it could by just be the strongest Pokémon and has power like a god
Hey Toby! These theories are really interesting. Not sure if I believe all of them, but they’re still great!
I discovered a very interesting fan theory on Reddit as follows: We all know that Arceus gave life to Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina to govern creation. However, I believe there may be a fourth member of the trio. I'm speaking of the Original Dragon, the form that Kyurem, Reshiram, and Zekrom, once took.
Let's start with the Creation Trio's typings. Dialga is Dragon/Steel, Palkia is Dragon/Water, and Giratina is Dragon/Ghost. The secondary types represent solid, liquid, and gas respectively. The fourth state of matter is plasma, only there's no dragon representing that... but there used to be. Reshiram and Zekrom's Fire and Electric types represent different forms of plasma, right? Add all that heat into one being and you would definitely get a being that represents plasma. If anything, plasma type would make a lot of sense in the Pokemon world as to solve the typing of the origin dragon, being Dragon/Plasma. In my own bias, Plasma does very well at covering many fan ideas for new type additions, such as cosmic, nuclear, sound, light, etc. I just think plasma fits these all really well and really is the missing type in Pokémon.
Now, typing alone wouldn't be enough to place this dragon with the Creation Trio. It would need to have control over some fundamental aspect of reality. And I think that would be energy. Energy is the "why" for why pretty much everything happens in the universe. You have Reshiram and Zekrom, who represent the presence of energy, while Kyurem represents the absence. Sure, there are other types of energy beyond heat, but I can't think of a more fitting symbol of energy than the generators the Tao Trio have for their tails. Maybe the dragon would have an "inactive" mode where its body is frozen, and an "active" mode where the ice is completely gone and plasma surges throughout it.
Something else that may point to it being a god is the concepts they're based off of. Zekrom represents Yin, Reshiram represents Yang, and Kyurem is the circle surrounding the two, Wuji. When Yin and Yang are bound by Wuji, they become [Taiji](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiji_(philosophy), and its potential becomes unlimited. In Taoist mythology, Taiji is the "Supreme Ultimate," which is the highest conceivable principle and that from which all existence flows. This ties perfectly into the theme of energy that the Tao Trio has going on.
So we've got that out of the way. But I believe there's more evidence to be found in BW and BW2 to support a connection.
In the postgame of Black and White, you receive the Adamant, Lustrous and Griseous Orb from Ghetsis as a gift/warning. This never went anywhere, but perhaps Game Freak was planning more Sinnoh involvement in BW2 that time restraints/storage space couldn't handle. And this may not mean anything, but it's interesting to note that Ghetsis had control over the Creation Trio in the TCG. It could be another Fake Oak situation, who knows. Dialga, Palkia, Giratina
In the postgame of Black 2 and White 2, the Creation Orbs are found in Dragonspiral Tower, the place where you encounter Reshiram and Zekrom. The game could have placed them in the Cave of Being, or maybe had someone hand them to you elsewhere... But why here, at the location most strongly associated with the Tao Trio?
The Cave of Being. The Lake Trio are capable of restraining a Creation Dragon, and they've got a cavern that leads from Sinnoh directly to Unova.
In the code of BW, Kyurem’s dragon stone is called the God Stone, which definitely confirms your fifth theory and may even place Kyurem as higher than the other elements of Arceus.
As for reflection, I believe it refers to a reflection in philosophical terms, of which Gen 5 goes incredibly in depth with how the parts of the original dragon which split actually represent different philosophies of life.
So that's my general theory. Does it hold up? Does it stretch too much? I'd love to hear your thoughts.
I also have a thought on that Copy pasted from another OP I did
Also Uxie, Mesprit and Azelf as well. So Knowledge to know how to see the Truth as well as bring your Ideals to life for Uxie. Emotions to bring the Truth to light as well as how Ideals are shaped by them. Willpower to pursue the Truth and your Ideals. So "The reflection of Human thoughts" are six beings now. Uxie, Mespirt, Azelf, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Also Light and Shadow/Darkness is a reflection of each other.
And yet another arceus theory
Tgis is the game that logstin said was coming but back then he called it neo platinum
Like if you remember
once you mentioned reflective pokemon being maybe in gen 9, several weeks after it, i have now thought of that secret third legendary lol
I like to think Kuryems true form is a Electric/Fire when defeated went into a meltdown mode and then because of its great power broke itselfs with the help of maybe Keldeo attempting to cool it down to a point where the origonal dragon broke apart and became Zekrom and Reshiram and the leftover husk froze and ethier dused itself with thr keldeo to give it a way to cool doen or just froze and became an empty husk like Shedninja lol
Idk if thr lore supports this but the fact Keldeo in thr mivies seemed young and that everyone knew it could do great things seems to me there was a previous Keldeo that couldve died but now even I feel like im reaching for straws xD
Man, I just noticed that the mythical painting of the Unown looks like a bible accurate angel
Zygarde, Necrozma, Eternatus and the OG Unovan Dragon are Arceus' four horsemen.
And maybe sided with Giratina.
With Terra types and reflective this aged like wine!
I’ve always assumed the Unown are way stronger than they lead on, for example Hidden Power can be any type just like the Arceus plates. I interpret the Unown the same as Bill Cypher from Gravity Falls, 4th dimensional being but when he projects himself into our universe he appears as a flat being. It would explain why they can perform feats like creating an egg with a being that holds dominion over space and time. Maybe one day we’ll get a Pokémon Legends: Unown
That would be cool.
The unown are pretty eldritch and I love it
Would you choose to have this be the only Pokémon game we get this year but it has lots of secrets and new questions? Or for us to get a second game this year but legends doesn’t get a sequel
Now that we’re later down the line, could the new legendary Terapagos potentially represent reflective and that’s the one we have been waiting for?
This theories are so tight and I love how they could all work together. Thank you Toby for keeping the hype high!
So once you capture Arceus he tells you the pretty much you're taking a little bit of him with you so that means that the Arceus that we capture is not the real one,pretty much a spec or a pinky of his many hands.
Reflective seems a lot like the terastal phenomenon. Perhaps something from the last page of the scarlet/violet book?
I've been wondering if Arceus is actually an Ultra Beast.
Watching this a year later that new disc Pokemon could be the reflective one we are missing!
With the reflection part, three Pokes come to mind:
- Hoppa, a powerful pokemon that can make wormholes in space to connect two universes just like a mirror. Maybe Hoppa has a unknow form and you need another pokemon to do it, maybe one pokemon that we haven't seen. Remember that in his movie, he handled legendaries as if he were a pokemon master... and even Arceus himself had to go down just to correct what he can do in his released form.
-Kyurem, who is said to be the shell or remains of what he was before and also arrived in a meteor, rememeber this last part. Also, i think he lacks something to be able to combine at the same time with Zekrom/Reshiram, as if he was undecided ... maybe he lacks of the soul of the old pokemon ... and I really think that soul that he lack will be Giratina. Let's see. What if the current status of Dialga/Palkia/Giratina depends on each one of the lake trio, with Uxie being the one in charge of Giratina. Being Uxie the pokemon of wisdom, he used his wisdom to divide the powerful "Kyur-atina" with a logical paradox that ended up dividing it between truth and ideals, leaving the empty shell Kyurem and the pure soul without desires and prejudices Giratina. Perhaps that is why the myths refer to him being very aggressive, and it would explain why he was banished even to another dimension to get away from the other parts of him and avoid his reincorporation at all costs. That maybe the part missing of kyurem to fuse correctly, a soul to decide which part to embrace. Also, the original form of Giratina is the only one who looks like a soul without body.
-Giratina, it is said that he is stronger than Dialga/Palkia but for now his power only seems equal to these. Although this one already has another form, maybe it will also receive another form with Arceus/Dialga/Palkia in future games. Also this pokemon was seen in the movies as being able to move between his world and ours using directly... yes, the reflections of things.
"Reflective" could be something other than the physical reflective property. Here it could mean reflecting internally, maybe on ones truths and ideals?
@Bird Keeper Toby
On the point of Type: Null//Silvally in theory #1...
You're partially wrong.
Silvally was the original project, a "man-made God", the restrictive gear affixed to it was because it went berserk. The Project WAS originally called *Type: Full* to reflect Arceus's Abilities...
Type: Null IS the "final form" because it was put in cryogenic storage after Aether Foundation terminated the project.
We DO though see 2 new Formes for Dialga + Arceus//Palkia + Arceus
Possibly as "Origin" Formes to reflect Giratina's 2 Formes...
I thought reflective would be girantina
Ooohh definitely amazing theories but no.5 is absolutely crazy, people here in the comments section are talking about a number of different reasons why the Original Dragon could be reflective. I'm so hyped for this game coming to us in just 2-3 days.
I heard a theory that the Original Dragon is a 4th member of the Creation Trio that represents Plasma.
Winning the giveaway would really come in clutch because ive been waiting for the game since the announcement but I cant get it
I was looking at the two new legendary pokemon forms and if you merge them together they look like the statue in Eterna city
If we get original one in pla which hints that we can get the original dragon in legends unova (If we get)
It makes since that Arceus is just a shell or a husk that is left after the creation because when it holds a plate it takes on that type so maybe at one point it had all of the plates.
I know I am a bit late but reflective could be giratine the reflection of arceus
I really hope we see the complete Kyurem in a Unova remake/revisit
The Reflective Ether is said to be the "memory of Earth". Reshiram and Zekrom's Truth/Ideals dynamic could be representative of humanity's dreams and memories. I mean we already know that dreams are a big deal in Unova with the Dreamyard, Dream World, etc.
Maybe the 3rd legendary is SV is the reflective part of Arceus but I prefer it to be the Original Dragon Maybe there is a connection between it being called Original Dragon and Arceus being called the Original One
I see where you’re coming from *but* hear me out.
What if the reflective part is the 3rd gen 9 legendary and then it all comes together in gen 10 (with which we should also have Unova remakes). So then maybe the original dragon ties them all together.
I came up with this because of how the original dragon was split into the 3 legendaries, so maybe it has the ability to combine all of these legendary Pokémon into some kind of Arceus related Pokémon?
We’ve never seen it’s power after all…
I love Pokémon lore, so these types of videos are perfect for me
Bro. I remember watching you when you were just a child on RUclips. Extremely extremely dedicated to this.
I believe that the Arceus we see in the game is only 0.000001 of the true Arceus and it spreads these base forms around the different universes whilst it governs the whole multiverse.
That is confirmed by Arceus himself
He states he will give you part of himself and the pokedex mission is receive part of Arceus
I was thinking Reflective to the reflection to one's self or what they see... like truth and ideal, just like Zekrom and Reshiram and who can combine Truth and Ideal? Kyurem. So the ice part might not be so far-fetched. As long as Gen 5 Remake DOES give us the image of Kyurem's true form or if Gen 9 is the reflection of everything.
Or the reflective is the Arceus we catch; it's the "reflection" of the Original One. The "hollow" remains of the original one, where the other forces left to inhabit the world.
I've been wondering since your video a while back on if Dialga and Palkia could be classified as Ultra Beasts, if Arceus also falls into that category. When the Arc Phone was revealed for LA, to me it immediately made me think of how advanced the technology of Ultra Megaopolis was compared to the standard pokemon world and wondered if, someone at some point traveled through ultra space to ancient Hisui in an attempt to track Arceus down. Perhaps they themselves were trying to assemble the Original One, and inadvertently attracted Necrozma instead...
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All known Pokémon species...including each Unown forme & other alternate forms including Primals, Megas, and GMaxs...now greatly outnumbers 1,000.
Perhaps that is what is meant by "...its 1,000 arms"...as in every Pokémon species & humans ARE the 1,000 arms which shaped the world.
Giratina is the reflection dragon.
No, arceus is not the god, Bidoof is
I think mew makes the most since as the reflective aspect of the archeus, hopefully that statement speaks for itself.
Imagine legends mew set in prehistoric times and you only have a mew but he's also your Pokedex and can shapeshift into any pokemon you defeat.
As for the first theory... that's really more of and obvious fact than theory. I mean come on, Arceus so clearly ISN'T god.
If he was, then catching him would never be possible (even if the event with him was cancelled it doesn't matter as it WASN'T for lore reasons), such things like the meteorite from the movie or some liquid metal (or whatever that is) could never actually do any damage to him, and he couldn't be just "splitter" into different parts and get "weakened" by giving some of his power. As You can't really divide infinity, neither substracting anything from it would actually change anything. He also couldn't be tricked AT ALL.
I mean any creature which isn't omnipotent and omniscient... that just too less to be called god (I mean already Aristotle (or maybe I confuse him with some other greek philosopher, but it doesn't matter that much) knew that idea of god who isn't omnipotent, omniscient the only one and generally a perfect being, and absolute is just ridiculous and make completely no sense... yeah he wasn't probably very much liked from that assumption as it contradicted all the polytheistic beliefs which were so common these days but he just was right).
So - even considering that Japanese term "kami" (which is usually used as translation of a god) is way weaker than even most politeistic "gods" - Arceus clearly can't be one (also if it would be supposed to be even slightly starting to be a little bit similar to believable then he in-game - assuming max level is 100 - should be at least at 200 level. Or even 10 000 level, yeah I know it most likely wouldn't be good for gameplay and even worse still wouldn't give him justice actually...).
So it's not actually a theory but rather a blatant fact that Arceus isn't even actually near to be a god (as You can be actually near of infinity, as it always will be... infinitely far)
What he CAN be is JUST a most powerful creature (beside actual god), or some kind of god's messenger, and angelic being of sorts who was kinda designated to form the world in god's name (with the help of these 1000 arms, which may have been the Unown) and protect it, but at the same time still was a "regular" creature of finite power (which either then was splitter to some of the other Sinnoh legendares or they were created to help him with his task). Or maybe even he wasn't send by a god...
Also the pokedex entry itself actually saying about SHAPING the world, not creating it.
(And yes I know most legendaries are considered genderless, but it the movie his voice definitely was masculine, so I kinda consider him a male. Especially that he isn't god. And on the other hand referring to Arceus (or any pokemon) as "it" feels just degrading to given pokemon, objectifying "it")
Also the code of the Pokemon World... interesting choose of world. But it wouldn't make sense if pokemon wasn't a game. (I know it is but I don't say it from our perspective but from in-game perspective, from the lore stand point) Except... there is a layer of reality that we could refer to as its source code... (which itself can be more true than we think, considering implications of Copenhagen interpretation of Quantum mechanics...) and unown - when there's more of them - can access and modify this code...
And Eternatus as one of "1000 hands of Arceus"... nah I don't think it's likely (also there's no "godly" Pokemons :P If they were they couldn't be confined or defeated by a mortal).
But eterna max energy being the same what infinity energy... that sounds interesting (even though I don't like the dynamax idea, seems like a cheap rip off megas and Z-moves). I really wish the topic of these energies or different manifestation of the same energy was more developed - especially the anime as this is the part of the franchise I care most about - as it's one of the most interesting concept in the Pokemon franchise. - especially the anime as this is
arceus himself could be the reflective, seeing as his ability changes to reflect the item he carries and his will is reflected in reality
Then again tho i like the idea of all four of them being elements of the Archeus as a cosmic concept
Like the Sinnoh legends certainly came from the Original One, or in my mind bc of the Lockstin, The Archeus, but to me its more so Arceus emerged from The Archeus and FROM Arceus the other Sinnoh Legends
while with the Eternatus, Perfect Ce-- I mean 100% Form Zygarde, Perfect Necrozma, and the Original Dragon, they are all like directly part of the Archeus
Idk seems cool to me
Here's an idea-- What if the "reflective" Pokemon is Ditto? As it literally transforms and reflects it's opponent~
That, or the combination of Mew and Mewtwo. Reflection can apply countless ways between those Pokemon
Some of these theories are pretty cool
On the video surrounding Sinnoh legends, I was thinking about the passage where “humans and Pokémon were once the same, married, had children…” and I think it refers to the fact that humans were evolved from pokemon, similar to how people in the real world are evolved from what seems more like the average, unintelligent apes. It would make a lot of sense, and there are a lot of human like pokemon as well.